FF Voters - Please apologise here.....

Raiser · 15-10-2008 3:37pm #1

Just say sorry and promise to never, ever do it again.......

Aodan83 · 15-10-2008 3:41pm

I didn't vote. But I would have considered voting for FF. I'm very sorry. TBH, I dont trust any of the other parties either. How do we know they'd be any better? It's very easy for them to blame the government from the sidelines. Hurler on the ditch an' all that.

Burial · 15-10-2008 3:42pm

I'm sorry I didn't vote FF. I really wanted to apologise!

Tigger · 15-10-2008 3:42pm

like anyone else is any better

Marcus.Aurelius · 15-10-2008 3:47pm

Tigger wrote: »

like anyone else is any better

You'll never know until you give them a chance. We're like a patient in a hospital on life support stabbing ourselves with a knife repeatedly.

Maybe we should stop stabbing ourselves?

Incidentally, I didn't vote for the greedy pigs.

mickdw · 15-10-2008 3:48pm

Sorry!

However imagine if kenny was in charge. He was calling for much more give aways at the last budget and yet he says FF squandered everything.

It is a very underhand budget though. that 1% levy is really dirty.
They would have had to raise the tax bands a few % to gain as much as this levy gives them. People wouldnt accept a big percentage gain in their tax band so this is very sneaky.

Sean Quagmire · 15-10-2008 3:48pm

when is the next election?? 3 years?

Cookie_Monster · 15-10-2008 3:49pm

I didn't vote FF but i will apologise for voting Green.

Jack Sheehan · 15-10-2008 3:51pm

I can't vote, so I'll not apologise this time.

engrish? · 15-10-2008 3:52pm

Oh F off, FG are worse. I realise that it is their job to whinge about the current government but they could at lease propose alternatives with their constant whinges.

Yes we are in a recession. Regardless of our over reliance on the construction industry, there is a global crisis ongoing, we are not the only country going through a rough time.

I would still vote FF. They will guide us out of this. Kenny couldnt punch his way out of a wet paper bag.

senordingdong · 15-10-2008 3:54pm

I think Kenny is the man for the job.

Anyone who spends as much time as him pointing out other politicians flaws, must be flawless himself.

Hellrazer · 15-10-2008 3:55pm

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

when is the next election?? 3 years?

Wonder will the current government run its full course though.

Wheres the unions in all this.Surely a 1 or 2 day stoppage by all PAYE workers would make Mr Lenihan reverse some of his ridiculous "taxes"

Cookie_Monster · 15-10-2008 3:55pm

Richard Boyd Barret instead anyone?

No? Didn't think so...

Frisbee · 15-10-2008 3:55pm

I'm not going to apologize. Pretty much what we could have expected and I don't think any of the other parties would have done any better

P_1 · 15-10-2008 3:56pm

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

when is the next election?? 3 years?

I think so. However I'm sure if enough of us cause a big enough fuss about having new ones they might listen*

*may not actually happen

engrish? · 15-10-2008 3:57pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Richard Boyd Barret instead anyone?

No? Didn't think so...

His motto is "SAY NO! TO PROGRESS"

Dinter · 15-10-2008 3:58pm

Well I ticked all the way down to 13 and voted McDowell there to ensure my vote worked against him as much as it could.

Sorry guys but getting rid of him was the best I could do by myself. :P

prendy · 15-10-2008 3:58pm

No appologies from me.
If there was an election tommorow i'd vote FF again. At the moment there is no real alternative.

FG are full of crap, as was already said attacking the last budget for being to mean now saying it was too short sighted? Enda gives the impression he hasnt a clue either.
Labour maybe but they have no noteable presence in my electoral area so it would be a waste.
Greens would be the ruining of the country with all their stupid green taxes. They shouldnt be there at the monute.
Sin fein are a bunch of ejits who will say anything to get a vote, they have no substance to any argument whatsoever.

OP who did you vote?

recycle · 15-10-2008 3:59pm

Frisbee wrote: »

I'm not going to apologize. Pretty much what we could have expected and I don't think any of the other parties would have done any better

You probably shouldnt think as much so.

I'll apoligise on your behalf, and on behalf of all those bigger morons who were eligible to vote but didnt bother because of their 'what difference will it make attitude'....

For all of them I am truly sorry

AckwelFoley · 15-10-2008 4:00pm

Lol.
Blame ff for world recession.

this country is full of gobshytes

rainbowchild · 15-10-2008 4:02pm

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

when is the next election?? 3 years?

There's got to be a way to call a general election... especially since the public haven't signed off on Cowen

Dinter · 15-10-2008 4:02pm

snyper wrote: »

Lol.
Blame ff for world recession.

this country is full of gobshytes

Nah I think it's the budget people are giving out about tbh.

seclachi · 15-10-2008 4:04pm

What difference would it make ? I can hadly imagine FG somehow fixing a global recession. I can definitely imagine labour not making it better, they are against the banking guarantee. What should we do eamon ?!? oh thats right stuff our money in the mattress. Tax increases were enviable, the only regret I have is that the greens got in, and now we are going to have to suffer a new stupid tax every budget, hurray for car park tax ! Maybe I can use my bike to get to work 30km away on crappy country roads where I`ll get flattened by somebody in a prius.

gazzer · 15-10-2008 4:06pm

Frisbee wrote: »

I'm not going to apologize. Pretty much what we could have expected and I don't think any of the other parties would have done any better

Well I dont reckon that FG would have used 1.65 Billion of taxpayers money to bail out their builder buddies.

Hellrazer · 15-10-2008 4:06pm

seclachi wrote: »

hurray for car park tax ! Maybe I can use my bike to get to work 30km away on crappy country roads where I`ll get flattened by somebody in a prius.

I dont fancy a 30km cycle from Maynooth to Dublin either.Fupping hippies ruining everything!!!!!!

Dinter · 15-10-2008 4:07pm

gazzer wrote: »

Well I dont reckon that FG would have used 1.65 Billion of taxpayers money to bail out their builder buddies.

But possibly the farmers.

brianthebard · 15-10-2008 4:08pm

snyper wrote: »

Lol.
Blame ff for world recession.

this country is full of gobshytes

No just the Irish recession.

engrish? · 15-10-2008 4:09pm

rainbowchild wrote: »

There's got to be a way to call a general election... especially since the public haven't signed off on Cowen

Unfortunately I cant give personal abuse or I will be banned.

:rolleyes: What we need to do now, at a critical time in our economy when we have taken measures to prevent its further decline is to get rid of our current government and throw in that spanner Kenny. A man with the leadership skills of a jar of marmite.

While were at it, lets get Joe O Shea in to stand beside him, sure he was great on that Seoige and O'Shea program.

Biggins · 15-10-2008 4:09pm

I'm personally hoping Libertas puts up a few canidates.

God know FF is useless, FG is useless in opposition and the Greens are the worst - they have sold their soul out completely.

I am NEVER voting for any of the last three ever again.

Tabnabs · 15-10-2008 4:12pm

I'm delighted FF and the Greens are in power at this stage, they are there to preside over countries downfall after many years of corruption and leeching the economy. We are all now seeing where an unrestrained FF government will get us.

As for the greens, all they do is cost taxpayers more money with no return :mad:

Hellrazer · 15-10-2008 4:12pm

engrish? wrote: »

A man with the leadership skills of a jar of marmite.

And how would you describe Mr Cowens leadership skills??Id gladly take anyone over over FF now.I reckon a trained monkey could do a better job than that lot.

Cadet? · 15-10-2008 4:17pm

Biggins wrote: »

I'm personally hoping Libertas puts up a few canidates.

Is it possible to click a 'thumbs down' button on Boards?

RobertFoster · 15-10-2008 4:17pm

I don't remember who I voted for, so sorry just in case.

TBH, B-B-B-Bertie or even Fat Lips Calhoun Cowen have much more charisma than that moaning shrew from Castlebar.

From my point of view, FF and FG are pretty much the same. As much as I believe in green issues, the Greens appear too strict on necessary infrastructure. SF are too set in outdated ideals and probably couldn't run a race, let alone a country. Independents are powerless. Labour are a non-entity.

prendy · 15-10-2008 4:18pm

its not FF's fault the world is in recession.
why not give the budget a chance, see if it helps stabilise the economy. If by this time next year things have not improved then by all means shout for change.

Quazzie · 15-10-2008 4:18pm

See this is exactly the reason why I never vote. I aint apologizing for diddly squat!

raido9 · 15-10-2008 4:20pm

So people complaining about the Government / Budget / The Man, what would you have done differently?

Vegeta · 15-10-2008 4:20pm

snyper wrote: »

Lol.
Blame ff for world recession.

this country is full of gobshytes

I think this recession will be grand. Luckily in the golden years when they were swimming in money they gave us a great health system, schools which are in great shape and public transport/infrastructure is fantastic.............................................:p

recycle · 15-10-2008 4:23pm

Vegeta wrote: »

I think this recession will be grand. Luckily in the golden years when they were swimming in money they gave us a great health system, schools which are in great shape and public transport/infrastructure is fantastic.............................................:p

Yay. Your so right.

And Im just so glad to see that Berties rolling around in a 100,000 pound plus motor. I really think he deserves nothing less and its entirely necessary. I just hope were paying every shilling for his ride.

CAPSLOCK365 · 15-10-2008 4:24pm

How has anything FF done made it worse. they've reacted in the only reasonable way to the current 'crisis' and I, for one, salute them for it.

Did anyone see half the dail walk out on Joan Burton yesterday? Hilarious stuff.

Anyway, yeah, shut your face.

White_Feather · 15-10-2008 4:33pm

yesterdays budget was an absolute disgrace, but are people honestly saying that if enda '' i still have my communion money '' kenny would have done a much better job? he is always very quick to stand up and put the blame to everyone, ie calling for an apology from biffo for f ucking up and leading the country into a recession. The whole world is fecked for god sake, not just little old ireland. While I wouldnt trust any politition as far as I could throw them, I admit I did vote FF and no, I dont think I should apologise. No matter what party gets to government at the next election, they will undoubtedly make a huge f uck up again, or some scandel will make the papers. Its politics!

CAPSLOCK365 · 15-10-2008 4:36pm

It was no disgrace.
It was a top, top budget.

brianthebard · 15-10-2008 4:42pm

CAPSLOCK365 wrote: »

It was no disgrace.
It was a top, top budget.

By what possible standards?

White_Feather · 15-10-2008 4:42pm

CAPSLOCK365 wrote: »

It was no disgrace.
It was a top, top budget.

so your saying that the medical card being means tested is a good thing. Lenihan said that up to 70% of the over 70's will be approved for the card. How low of a salary do you need to have before you can be approved? It will end up that OAP's will not attend their GP / Hospital because they simply cannot afford it. Its always the elderly and needy in this country that get a kick in the ass. Still a disgrace in my opinion!

Heinrich · 15-10-2008 4:42pm

CAPSLOCK365 wrote: »

How has anything FF done made it worse. they've reacted in the only reasonable way to the current 'crisis' and I, for one, salute them for it.

Did anyone see half the dail walk out on Joan Burton yesterday? Hilarious stuff.

Anyway, yeah, shut your face.

Do you know how the house works? Those speeches are not off the cuff no more than the replies are! Labour, being a minority party in opposition will not have the same impact as FG. That also applies to Sinn Fein.

Now the current crisis is only one crisis if you are alluding to the global banking downturn. The other crisis is the building bust. That is entirely a FF mess and regardless of global or EC banking this was going to be a hell of a problem.

But as the other poster stated, thankfully we have a great infrastructure in transport, health, pensions and all sorts of goodies.

Amazotheamazing · 15-10-2008 4:48pm

Em, for all the FF'ers out there, you do realise the downturn in the Irish economy was happening before the Credit Crunch? Now, look at the reasons for this, for the most part, tax incentives to developers to build unsuitable housing at unsustainable levels, which of course, was a FF policy. Cowan and co. couldn't have prevented the Credit Crunch but they could have prevented the collapse of the housing market (or rather, should never have let it grow to such an extent in the first place). We now have nearly 200,000 people facing negative equity as a result of FF policies.

Frankly I don't care if Kenny is a boring, dull honest guy as long as he is capable. FF have shown themselves to be unable to run the country, whereas Kenny has seen FG grow by nearly 20 seats (iirc) at the alst General election, which shows considerable leadership ability after what happened FG when Noonan was in charge.

Rebeller · 15-10-2008 4:49pm

Fianna Fail (the absence of a fada is intentional) have been in power for 18 of the past 21 years.

FF, the corrupt, incompetent shower of gombeens and mawkish mafiosi are solely responsible for the crisis that we are now facing. International financial crisis me arse! An artificially created, FF supported (but paid for by us the taxpayers of course) property bubble, which has now predictably burst, is the primary reason for this recession/possible depression.

engrish? wrote: »

I would still vote FF.

And you would willingly turn around, bend over and take it up the arse after being orally raped I suppose?

engrish? wrote: »

Kenny couldnt punch his way out of a wet paper bag.

You seem to be missing one very important piece of information.......Enda Kenny is NOT in government!!!!

I am so angry now.

In Hungary in 2006 there were mass street protests calling on Prime Minister Gyurcsany to resign after he admitted his government had lied during the election campaign.

What do we get in Ireland?

engrish? wrote: »

I would still vote FF

I truly despair:(

CtrlSource · 15-10-2008 4:52pm

i don't blame the Government (this or the last) for the current mess. At least, i don't blame them completely. There is the not so miniscule matter of the global downturn. But...

FF say they're pro-development etc., but i think they have cynically favoured the fat cats in the construction industry (the guys creaming off the top, not the lowly construction workers) over many years and their budget yesterday is just a continuation of that.

The attack on low and middle income workers is very harsh and i think it is hard to justify. True, we're all in this mess together and should shoulder some of the burden, but VAT and other indirect measures should have taken care of that. They could also have stuck the 1% on to the higher income tax rate instead.

There was a guy on Prime Time last night (i think he was from the Sunday Tribune) who criticised the Budget based on the fact that it targeted too many areas. There was money being taken here, there and everywhere, with little apparent thought given to actually constructing a healthier economy for the future. His view resonated with my overall impression very strongly.

If too much money is taken out of the economy next year in tax, nobody's going to spend and things will get dramatically worse.

The excesses of FF / PD Government and their giveaway Budgets have made sure that we got many of the basics wrong in the last few years. So much of the wealth has now been squandered and primary school classes are now set to increase. What an utter disgrace

SheroN · 15-10-2008 4:53pm

White_Feather wrote: »

so your saying that the medical card being means tested is a good thing. Lenihan said that up to 70% of the over 70's will be approved for the card. How low of a salary do you need to have before you can be approved? It will end up that OAP's will not attend their GP / Hospital because they simply cannot afford it. Its always the elderly and needy in this country that get a kick in the ass. Still a disgrace in my opinion!

Incorrect. It's always the middle class who get the kick in the ass.

gillyfromlyre · 15-10-2008 4:55pm

People get angry in other countries when their rulers take them to the cleaners, we give them free drinks and sandwiches when the ignorant knobs visit the towns and cities. They blatantly don't give a crap about us 'peasants' yet you'd still get idiots saying they'd vote for the scum again. Them clowns probably got a public job through one of the scum tho, so there is a reason

kevmy · 15-10-2008 5:07pm

I hate the way people always say sure the other crowd are no better. I mean FF have essentially been in power for the last 21 years (bar 2.5 years of the Rainbow).
So how can people such rash judgements on FG + Lab then. Most of the heavy hitters in those parties have relatively little experience in Government. Also the Rainbow government was quite a good one and laid a lot of groundwork for the boom. We should remember that FG gained seats in the '97 election as the electorate deemed them to have done a good job but Lab collapsed as people blamed them for going back on their promise not to go into government with FF in '92.
Enda hasn't excelled as opposition leader but it is a difficult one to excel in, go to soft and people say that you are not landing enough punches; pull your punches and people say you're going too soft.
Recall if you can that Bertie was considered one of the worst Opposition leaders in his time but went on to have a long and popular period in office. The FG front bench has more talent, youth and enthusiasm than the whole of FF at the moment. A lot of lads marking time (Micheal Martin, Eamon O Cuiv, Willie O Dee), broken down old ministers (Mary Harney, Mary Hanafin), Cowen favourities (Mary Coughlan, Batt O Keefe) and geographical oddities(Martin Cullen)

ninty9er · 15-10-2008 5:14pm

recycle wrote: »

Yay. Your so right.

And Im just so glad to see that Berties rolling around in a 100,000 pound plus motor. I really think he deserves nothing less and its entirely necessary. I just hope were paying every shilling for his ride.

We pay for Garrett and Albert's chariots, what's the problem.

@OP: Why exactly do you expect people to apologise for voting FF?

edit: and wtf is with the fascination with negative equity....it means diddly squat to any homeowner.

FF Voters - Please apologise here.....

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