Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

fatherted1969 · 31-05-2012 7:19pm

If Kildare are to make the breakthrough this has to be the year for it. You'd have to feel the Early and Doyle will be on the wane after this year, i think its the strongest panel Kildare have ever assembled, nearly 2 players for each position save for a couple of must haves in the team. Hopefully Seanie will have a part to play in it all

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-06-2012 8:58am

fatherted1969 wrote: »

If Kildare are to make the breakthrough this has to be the year for it. You'd have to feel the Early and Doyle will be on the wane after this year, i think its the strongest panel Kildare have ever assembled, nearly 2 players for each position save for a couple of must haves in the team. Hopefully Seanie will have a part to play in it all

Earley has had little or no involvement over last year and a half tbh, cruciate as far as I know. Now he is apparently getting back to business but I have to say he has been an absolute legend that puts himself on the line year in and out if he announces retirement fair play to him. Doyle I think has a year or two left though he is super fit and I can't see him wanting to hang boots up anytime soon!!

I don't think this is the year Kildare HAVE to win it but they need to take a step further..

God I'm really excited bout Offaly game now

CILL DARA ABÚ

munchkin_utd · 01-06-2012 9:24am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Earley has had little or no involvement over last year and a half tbh, cruciate as far as I know. Now he is apparently getting back to business but I have to say he has been an absolute legend that puts himself on the line year in and out if he announces retirement fair play to him. Doyle I think has a year or two left though he is super fit and I can't see him wanting to hang boots up anytime soon!!

I don't think this is the year Kildare HAVE to win it but they need to take a step further..

God I'm really excited bout Offaly game now

CILL DARA ABÚ

would that make Kildare favourites for the Leinster?
Or simply the most dashing team all in white?

Or does what you have to say have ANYTHING to do with the title which is about a certain player looking to make a controversial club transfer across county boundaries?

Felexicon · 01-06-2012 9:26am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

would that make Kildare favourites for the Leinster?
Or simply the most dashing team all in white?

Or does what you have to say have ANYTHING to do with the title which is about a certain player looking to make a controversial club transfer across county boundaries?

Jesus mate relax. He was simply answering a question put forward by someone else.

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-06-2012 9:42am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

would that make Kildare favourites for the Leinster?
Or simply the most dashing team all in white?

Or does what you have to say have ANYTHING to do with the title which is about a certain player looking to make a controversial club transfer across county boundaries?

Jog on munchkin your not a mod so wind your neck in!!!

DARK-KNIGHT · 01-06-2012 9:43am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

would that make Kildare favourites for the Leinster?
Or simply the most dashing team all in white?

Or does what you have to say have ANYTHING to do with the title which is about a certain player looking to make a controversial club transfer across county boundaries?

Also he isn't looking to be transferred little man he transferred a few days ago so shows what you know

Hammer Archer · 01-06-2012 9:52am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Also he isn't looking to be transferred little man he transferred a few days ago so shows what you know

As far as I know the transfer hasn't gone through yet. The CCCC are looking for clarification from the CAC as it seems that the only reason the CAC upheld Johnston's appeal was because neither the Cavan board nor Cavan Gaels objected. That's ridiculous if it's true.

munchkin_utd · 01-06-2012 12:08pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Also he isn't looking to be transferred little man he transferred a few days ago so shows what you know

no he has not

the appeals committee found in his favour (regarding the 10 day rule) and forwarded that to the CCC to be ratified.

The CCC though is still sitting on their options.
And it still remains that the CCC does not regard him as living in Kildare nor the transfer in itself coherent with the GAA ethos.

So the question is - how do you square the 2 contrasting positions.
A) one rule says that a player should be granted a transfer automatically after 10 days if nobody objects (period - regardless of the merits of your case or not - you could transfer from Donegal to Dublin and live in Derry if nobody objects)

another rule says that you must have permanent residence or family links to effect a transfer

The only way I can see them square the circle is to formally grant the transfer and then the same day rule the transfer out of order and revoke it.

EDIT:
heres ALL transfers which have been granted in the past months and indeed years.
http://gaa.ie/clubzone/transfers-and-sanctions/transfers-archive/
No Seanie Johnson or Sean Mc Seain as he is in irish.

roy rodgers · 02-06-2012 12:50pm

Seanie Johnston is on the brink of sealing his transfer from Cavan Gaels to Kildare club St. Kevin's after the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) advised the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to rubberstamp the move.

KFM Radio reports that the CAC have informed the CCCC they can give the switch the go-ahead after the CCCC had sought clarification from them following their decision to uphold the player's appeal against their refusal to allow the transfer to take place.

The CCCC had turned down the transfer request on the grounds of residency and ethos before the CAC last week gave the green light to the transfer because there had been no formal objection by either Cavan Gaels or the Cavan county board within 10 days of the application.

If the CCCC follow the CAC's instruction at their next meeting on Tuesday, Johnston could yet play for Kildare in this year's championship. Under new GAA rules, however, Johnston cannot line out for the Lilywhites until he has represented his new club St. Kevin's in the local championship. This makes him ineligible to play for the Lilywhites in their Leinster SFC quarter-final against Offaly on June 17 as St. Kevin's won't be in championship action again before then.

He just needs a championship match now!

StupidLikeAFox · 02-06-2012 1:40pm

Championship match could be tricky. Kevins were drawn against sarsfields the other day but that prob wont be played until after the inter county campaign. They have a league match in about two weeks but that isnt good enough as far as I know

He could tog out for the hurling club, Coill Dubh, but they dont have a Championship match until the end of June, which is the same weekend Kildare play their second match (providing they beat Offaly). So its possible that he could make his debut in that match, which will be more than likely against Meath

munchkin_utd · 02-06-2012 7:56pm

roy rodgers wrote: »

Seanie Johnston is on the brink of sealing his transfer from Cavan Gaels to Kildare club St. Kevin's after the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) advised the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to rubberstamp the move.

KFM Radio reports that the CAC have informed the CCCC they can give the switch the go-ahead after the CCCC had sought clarification from them following their decision to uphold the player's appeal against their refusal to allow the transfer to take place.

The CCCC had turned down the transfer request on the grounds of residency and ethos before the CAC last week gave the green light to the transfer because there had been no formal objection by either Cavan Gaels or the Cavan county board within 10 days of the application.

If the CCCC follow the CAC's instruction at their next meeting on Tuesday, Johnston could yet play for Kildare in this year's championship. Under new GAA rules, however, Johnston cannot line out for the Lilywhites until he has represented his new club St. Kevin's in the local championship. This makes him ineligible to play for the Lilywhites in their Leinster SFC quarter-final against Offaly on June 17 as St. Kevin's won't be in championship action again before then.

He just needs a championship match now!

Is that a quote from a news source? If so then where?

The independent has a different take on things, saying the CCCC is adamant that the transfer in principle is not possible, even if the 10 day rule says that he should be given the transfer despite it being against the GAA ethos + he hasnt moved in the first place.

I'd post the article if it'd make any difference, but at this stage posting facts on this thread is useless as it gets lost in flaky opinion about the transfer or ability of managers (or county team form and betting odds), so I will just watch the second half of the hurling instead.

munchkin_utd · 05-06-2012 2:12pm

CCCC is meeting today according to one of the national newspapers and should have a decision on the appeal today.

EDIT, if this isnt successful and goes to an appeal it doesnt mean that Seanie cant play in the championship at a later date.
I'll not bother posting the exact rule wording that would illustrate this, seeing as my previous postings regarding such distractions as concrete facts and the actual rules in effect were so worthless and unimportant in the past on this thread.

munchkin_utd · 05-06-2012 4:22pm

actually, theres another interesting article in one of the daily newspapers that finds a link between the case of a decomposing snail in 1928 and Seanie Johnsons case.

Ironic isnt it.
Dead Snail = relevant to thread.
Majority of postings so far != relevant

Not that it is possibly relevant to a thread on Seanie Johnsons transfer, heres the article on Seanie Johnsons transfer with aforementioned dead snail.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0605/1224317294985.html

DublinGAA96 · 05-06-2012 7:20pm

Finally, case closed as transfer is complete. Please Mods does this mean the thread can be closed now?

tayto lover · 05-06-2012 7:21pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Finally, case closed as transfer is complete. Please Mods does this mean the thread can be closed now?

Where did you hear that please ?

Hammer Archer · 05-06-2012 8:21pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Where did you hear that please ?

KFM reported that the transfer was granted supposedly.
I find it baffling that basically a player can play for whoever they want no matter where they live so long as their club and county don't object. By the looks of it, this rule supercedes the permanent residency rule.

After all this hype, Johnston will be under massive pressure to perform and will probably get a lot of stick from opposition fans for a time. I honestly can't see him becoming a great player for Kildare. He had a terrible year as Cavan captain last year and I can't remember the last time he performed against a big team (the way great players like Forde and Browne did).
It'll also be interesting to see what happens if/when McGeeney leaves and whether he'll still be 'living' in Kildare in a few years time.

munchkin_utd · 05-06-2012 8:52pm

Newstalk also was reporting it as being a done deal.

This morning one of the national papers mentioned that they expected this outcome and outlined their reasoning for it. Very interesting insight into gaa politics.

tayto lover · 05-06-2012 9:31pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

KFM reported that the transfer was granted supposedly.
I find it baffling that basically a player can play for whoever they want no matter where they live so long as their club and county don't object. By the looks of it, this rule supercedes the permanent residency rule.

After all this hype, Johnston will be under massive pressure to perform and will probably get a lot of stick from opposition fans for a time. I honestly can't see him becoming a great player for Kildare. He had a terrible year as Cavan captain last year and I can't remember the last time he performed against a big team (the way great players like Forde and Browne did).
It'll also be interesting to see what happens if/when McGeeney leaves and whether he'll still be 'living' in Kildare in a few years time.

It's a sad day for the G.A.A. that this kind of thing has started.
I believe that Johnston's form last year was down to him and a few others having no faith in the training and system of play that was going on at the time. It likely contributed to the fall out. I still can't fathom why the CCB didn't sit the whole panel and officials down and iron things out in-house.

deisedude · 05-06-2012 10:40pm

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Finally, case closed as transfer is complete. Please Mods does this mean the thread can be closed now?

Technically yes the thread can be closed. Will wait for more media outlets to confirm that it is a done deal first

StupidLikeAFox · 06-06-2012 1:11am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I find it baffling that basically a player can play for whoever they want no matter where they live so long as their club and county don't object.

Well it was obviously within the rules of the game so its the rules that need tightening up. Id love to know how often this happens in cases that are not as high profile as this.

I think there is scope for a rule to say you must be playing in a club for a complete season or something before you are eligible for the county team. Could be a remedy for this type of thing in future, although London and New York would need an exception

munchkin_utd · 06-06-2012 8:09am

deisedude wrote: »

Technically yes the thread can be closed. Will wait for more media outlets to confirm that it is a done deal first

the indo mentions it now too but I wouldnt go on their word till an official source can be accredited with making an announcement

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 9:15am

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Finally, case closed as transfer is complete. Please Mods does this mean the thread can be closed now?

I'm sure Kildare fans and Cavan fans still want to discuss this tbh, why are u looking for it to be closed? Your from Dublin what would it matter if this is closed or not to you?

munchkin_utd · 06-06-2012 9:28am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I'm sure Kildare fans and Cavan fans still want to discuss this tbh, why are u looking for it to be closed? Your from Dublin what would it matter if this is closed or not to you?

jaysus, it'd be a start if the actual transfer and related matters were discussed on this thread.

Tom Joad · 06-06-2012 9:28am

Looks like the transfer has been finalised so not much point in keeping this thread open in my view. Very few of the posts have been on topic. Not sure what is left to be said on the subject - its a sad outcome for the GAA, puts massive pressure on the lad to deliver for Kildare now and also puts pressure on Kildare themselves - but if Kildare end up winning sam they won't care that the move might have been against the ethos of the game etc etc.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 9:44am

Tom Joad wrote: »

Looks like the transfer has been finalised so not much point in keeping this thread open in my view. Very few of the posts have been on topic. Not sure what is left to be said on the subject - its a sad outcome for the GAA, puts massive pressure on the lad to deliver for Kildare now and also puts pressure on Kildare themselves - but if Kildare end up winning sam they won't care that the move might have been against the ethos of the game etc etc.

Ethos of the game my arse tbh.. Cavan acted the bollix with the lad then the gaa board treated him like crap too, it's terrible treat the players that make gaa money in inter county matches and the like are treated like ****.. Where's the interest to keep the game alive??

And to add no pressure on seanie or Kildare why would there be?

At first I didn't want this transfer to happen but seeing the small minded country talk gaa ethos crap being talked about here makes me want seanie to be a star..

Was told by a senior panel member that Johnston is training harder than anyone else with fitness etc, so more luck to Johnston.

Can I ask an honest question, GAA ethos in 2012 who gives a bollix?

The way posters are talking with gaa ethos etc we look like a completely out of touch organisation way behind times.

I'm as county proud as any man but **** me I'm getting wound up with the ****e being thrown around this thread..

I do think the gaa are responsible for this mess, as usual shows level of amateur behaviour in croke park, and while it's an amateur organisation they certainly don't seem to be short of a few bob..

Rant over sorry guys

munchkin_utd · 06-06-2012 10:02am

examiner seem 100% certain that it has indeed been approved
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling-debut-not-on-cards-as-kildare-wait-on-johnston-196423.html

would trust their reports far more than radio stations who have consistently jumped the gun and been wrong at nearly every stage in this saga.

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 10:09am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Ethos of the game my arse tbh.. Cavan acted the bollix with the lad then the gaa board treated him like crap too, it's terrible treat the players that make gaa money in inter county matches and the like are treated like ****.. Where's the interest to keep the game alive??

Said I wouldn't post on this topic again but the above really annoyed me. How exactly did Cavan "act the bollix" with Johnston? How did the "gaa board", as you refer to them, treat him "like crap"?

I'm presuming its Cavan "gaa board" you are referring to but your post is so poorly put together that I'm struggling to understand parts of it.

The thread should be locked because the amount of mis-informed, incorrect tripe being spouted is getting beyond a joke.

Tom Joad · 06-06-2012 10:22am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Ethos of the game my arse tbh.. Cavan acted the bollix with the lad then the gaa board treated him like crap too, it's terrible treat the players that make gaa money in inter county matches and the like are treated like ****.. Where's the interest to keep the game alive??

Don't see how you can say that Cavan acted the bollix - he was dropped by the manager and decided to try his luck with Kildare and from what posters have been saying here they agree with the manager's decision (despite the fact that manager has moved on). By all accounts Cavan dresssing room is a happier place now that Seanie has moved on but it could be a cracking move for Kildare and could get the county over the line in terms of winning the all-ireland.

And to add no pressure on seanie or Kildare why would there be?
Because they are genuine contenders and like it or not this case has got a lot of media attention which puts more pressure on the team and Johnston to deliver. Kildare supporters will have to grow a thick skin too as this will be used as a stick to beat ye with all summer.

At first I didn't want this transfer to happen but seeing the small minded country talk gaa ethos crap being talked about here makes me want seanie to be a star..

Was told by a senior panel member that Johnston is training harder than anyone else with fitness etc, so more luck to Johnston.
Doesn't surprise me at all to be honest, I've seen the guy train and he's an animal for training - that was never an issue with him.

Can I ask an honest question, GAA ethos in 2012 who gives a bollix?
I for one do - if we don't have our ethos the game is bollixed - do we now say fúck the rules and any lad who is dropped or is playing for a weaker county can pick and choose his new county. Pride of place/parish etc is what the gaa is built on and if we loose that I'll follow the soccer all year.

The way posters are talking with gaa ethos etc we look like a completely out of touch organisation way behind times.

Disagree but we do need to have a look at the contradictions throughout the organisation but that's another day

I'm as county proud as any man but **** me I'm getting wound up with the ****e being thrown around this thread..

I do think the gaa are responsible for this mess, as usual shows level of amateur behaviour in croke park, and while it's an amateur organisation they certainly don't seem to be short of a few bob..

Couldn't agree more with you - they have made a dog's mickey out of this from start to finish.

Rant over sorry guys

Don't worry this thread brings out the worst in all of us

Hammer Archer · 06-06-2012 10:45am

Dark Knight, I may have asked this before but here goes:
Let's say Kildare don't win Leinster or the All Ireland this year. Now lets say Johnny Doyle thinks that the only way he'll have a chance to win some silverware before he retires (as he is getting on a bit) is to switch to Dublin. He puts in a transfer request to a club in Dublin despite not moving from wherever he's living now. Would you support him in moving given that you don't seem to care about the ethos of the GAA?

I'm not for a second suggesting that he would do this, this is simply a hypothetical question I'd like Kildare posters supporting this move to answer.

beertons · 06-06-2012 10:53am

Did Kerry begrudge Taidgh Kinnelly when he came back from Oz? No. He played 2 games and really made a difference to the team in their quest.

Doylers won't switch counties, maybe one of the younger lads will. They're all fairly happy with how things are run in the camp.

To Alcohol · 06-06-2012 10:56am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Dark Knight, I may have asked this before but here goes:
Let's say Kildare don't win Leinster or the All Ireland this year. Now lets say Johnny Doyle thinks that the only way he'll have a chance to win some silverware before he retires (as he is getting on a bit) is to switch to Dublin. He puts in a transfer request to a club in Dublin despite not moving from wherever he's living now. Would you support him in moving given that you don't seem to care about the ethos of the GAA?

I'm not for a second suggesting that he would do this, this is simply a hypothetical question I'd like Kildare posters supporting this move to answer.

There's no comparison between what your asking and the Seanie Johnston transfer.

Why cant people get it into their heads that he wasn't wanted by Cavan which is TOTALLY different to turning around and saying I'm off to win something with another county.

Hammer Archer · 06-06-2012 11:09am

beertons wrote: »

Did Kerry begrudge Taidgh Kinnelly when he came back from Oz? No. He played 2 games and really made a difference to the team in their quest.

Doylers won't switch counties, maybe one of the younger lads will. They're all fairly happy with how things are run in the camp.

I have no idea what Kennelly has to do with this. And if you read my post, I said that I wasn't sugesting that he would switch counties so if you could answer my hypothetical question, that'd be great.

To Alcohol wrote: »

There's no comparison between what your asking and the Seanie Johnston transfer.

Why cant people get it into their heads that he wasn't wanted by Cavan which is TOTALLY different to turning around and saying I'm off to win something with another county.

Dark Knight (as well as several other Kildare fans elsewhere) have said that the GAA ethos is "a load of bollix". So surely that means they would fully support one of their players if they decided to switch counties to win silverware. Are you of the same opinion that the ethos of the GAA means nothing?

beertons · 06-06-2012 11:19am

Seen as most panel members get kick backs in one way or another, and they always have, a player can play for who ever he likes. If any lad wants to move, away with him. Wasn't Johnston dropped? Doubt Cavan are crying too much. Kildare lost Larry Tomkins back in the day. We kept our mouths shut about the affair. He did well for Cork. Fair play to him, moving to further himself.

Hammer Archer · 06-06-2012 11:26am

beertons wrote: »

Seen as most panel members get kick backs in one way or another, and they always have, a player can play for who ever he likes. If any lad wants to move, away with him. Wasn't Johnston dropped? Doubt Cavan are crying too much. Kildare lost Larry Tomkins back in the day. We kept our mouths shut about the affair. He did well for Cork. Fair play to him, moving to further himself.

Larry Tomkins moved to (and to this day still lives in) Cork. Similarly, Karl O' Dwyer (as far as I know) still lives in Kildare after moving from Kerry in the 90s.
I've no problem with players who permanently move to another county and playing with that county. However, the jury is still out, not only on whether Johnston will permanently live in Kildare, but also on whether he is living there at all. That is what I have a problem with in this case.

To Alcohol · 06-06-2012 11:36am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I have no idea what Kennelly has to do with this. And if you read my post, I said that I wasn't sugesting that he would switch counties so if you could answer my hypothetical question, that'd be great.

Dark Knight (as well as several other Kildare fans elsewhere) have said that the GAA ethos is "a load of bollix". So surely that means they would fully support one of their players if they decided to switch counties to win silverware. Are you of the same opinion that the ethos of the GAA means nothing?

Ethos in the GAA is only ethical when it's applied to all equally. Many transfers called into question the same ethical issues and as turns out it was never an issue until the Seanie Johnston transfer. Double standards, typical of the GAA.

Their call on ethos was merely a deceptive ploy to delay the transfer for as long as possible.

I have a big fat ZERO respect for the cccc and the GAA hierarchy after this farce.

End of the day the lad wanted to play football. Its not as if he's a professional on big wages and they've done their damned best to ensure he cant play. He's the guy playing the game attracting the crowds paying their fat arse salaries. The neck of them.

beertons · 06-06-2012 11:42am

Karl was dropped by Kerry, daddy got him a job and a place on the panel. He was young and had no ties to his home county. The very same with Johnston. He'll settle well here, won't happen over night.

DoctaDee · 06-06-2012 12:21pm

beertons wrote: »

.......... He'll settle well here, won't happen over night.

Yeah house-hunting is a pain :rolleyes:

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 12:31pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yeah house-hunting is a pain :rolleyes:

Back to Dublin thread with ya

DoctaDee · 06-06-2012 12:34pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Back to Dublin thread with ya

LMAO... waiting for you to answer Hammers Question :rolleyes:

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 12:40pm

My thoughts are that if Cavan think they don't want him or need him with the talent running through their forwards who can blame them tbh

If Cavan refuse to play him he should be allowed play elsewhere no objections

Gaa bosses have gone out of their way to block unsettle this because of ethical values ffs!!

Ethical values when local clubs scape to train kids voluntarily and have to raise funds or sponsors for new kit and equipment, while fat cats in croker etc are highly paid and well looked after?? That's ethical alright **** the grass roots I need a new suit..

Next time your kids wear tatty kit remember gaa want ethical local values etc but that's ok isn't it?

Remember micko said I don't get paid I just get my expenses ffs lol

That's all off point fair enough but its a corrupt organisation when u think about it IMO anyways

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 12:42pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

LMAO... waiting for you to answer Hammers Question :rolleyes:

This has nothing to do with jd so I won't bring him into this!!

bruschi · 06-06-2012 12:51pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

My thoughts are that if Cavan think they don't want him or need him with the talent running through their forwards who can blame them tbh

If Cavan refuse to play him he should be allowed play elsewhere no objections

Gaa bosses have gone out of their way to block unsettle this because of ethical values ffs!!

Ethical values when local clubs scape to train kids voluntarily and have to raise funds or sponsors for new kit and equipment, while fat cats in croker etc are highly paid and well looked after?? That's ethical alright **** the grass roots I need a new suit..

Next time your kids wear tatty kit remember gaa want ethical local values etc but that's ok isn't it?

Remember micko said I don't get paid I just get my expenses ffs lol

That's all off point fair enough but its a corrupt organisation when u think about it IMO anyways

if you want to go off on a rant about managers pay and the amatuer game with players, go ahead. none of it at all, has any relevnace to what is happening here.

Next time your kid goes to go play a game for his local club and doesnt get to do so because the club are bringing in better players from outside then see how does ethos fare.

If a player thinks he is entitled to play for a county team and thinks that he can play for any county team regardless of where he lives or ties to same team, then we are in the process of changing the whole system. Charlie Carter was got rid of by Brian Cody when captain of Kilkenny in 2003 I think it was, when he would walk onto pretty much every county in Ireland. If players think that because they have a row with management, that they can just walk onto any other team, then its wrong. What is stopping it happen at club level too? Players fall out with managers the whole time, the way you answer it is on the field and show them they made a mistake and get your place back on the side. Not transfer to another one who is willing to take you on.

munchkin_utd · 06-06-2012 12:51pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

That's all off point fair enough but its a corrupt organisation when u think about it IMO anyways

corrupt ?
thats just plain drivel you are coming out with now.

the rule book is faulty but any ordinary member can fix that.
Any gaa member can forward a motion to their club, who forwards it to their county, who then gets it on the floor of the congress.

Theres no more democratic organisation in Ireland.

BTW.
if you feel you want to change the world, you put together a solid rule that could be used for intercounty transfers without allowing a free for all.

And best of all. It doesnt have to remain here within boards.
You goto your club and push to have it put to your county and in turn to the floor of congress. If you feel so stongly then its in your hands.

Hammer Archer · 06-06-2012 12:53pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

This has nothing to do with jd so I won't bring him into this!!

It's a hypothetical question

You could be a politician with that answer.
Would you, or would you not, be in favour of a talented Kildare player moving to another county at the drop of a hat despite having no connection whatsoever to the county seeing as you've said that the GAA ethos is "a load of bollix"? It's a very simple yes or no question.

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 12:58pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

My thoughts are that if Cavan think they don't want him or need him with the talent running through their forwards who can blame them tbh

If Cavan refuse to play him he should be allowed play elsewhere no objections

Gaa bosses have gone out of their way to block unsettle this because of ethical values ffs!!

Ethical values when local clubs scape to train kids voluntarily and have to raise funds or sponsors for new kit and equipment, while fat cats in croker etc are highly paid and well looked after?? That's ethical alright **** the grass roots I need a new suit..

Next time your kids wear tatty kit remember gaa want ethical local values etc but that's ok isn't it?

Remember micko said I don't get paid I just get my expenses ffs lol

That's all off point fair enough but its a corrupt organisation when u think about it IMO anyways

You're spouting some amount of drivel at this stage. Your mouth is writing cheques that your brain can't cash.

Now, can you answer my question about ten posts back in regard to how Cavan have treated Johnston badly? Or "acted the bollix" as you described it? You made some bold statements in relation to Cavan and now I want you to back them up.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 1:07pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

It's a hypothetical question You could be a politician with that answer.
Would you, or would you not, be in favour of a talented Kildare player moving to another county at the drop of a hat despite having no connection whatsoever to the county seeing as you've said that the GAA ethos is "a load of bollix"? It's a very simple yes or no question.

Tbh and completely honest no I wouldn't. Believe it or not but nobody in any county panel owes anybody anything..

Why would anyone be bitter towards any other man?

Seeing the ethos crap being spouted here why are gaa bosses paid a salary? While young in country wear **** kit??

I don't believe ethical gaa notions when the top of gaa are paid salaries..

Johnston is a small fish in big water gaa thought they could bully him out of transfer but fair ****s to him for standing his ground on the matter. Why should he not play inter county if his own county said they didn't want him? Remember he didn't abandon Cavan! Cavan abandoned him.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 1:16pm

Lemlin wrote: »

You're spouting some amount of drivel at this stage. Your mouth is writing cheques that your brain can't cash.

Now, can you answer my question about ten posts back in regard to how Cavan have treated Johnston badly? Or "acted the bollix" as you described it? You made some bold statements in relation to Cavan and now I want you to back them up.

Since u seem to know it all answer this - why when Cavan management changed did Cavan not build bridges with seanie?? If he was dropped by management why did nobody stand behind him if he is sorry WAS your counties finest footballer?

Cavan abandoned him that in itself is **** after the years of service he gave Cavan.

Don't judge anyone here lemlin you don't have any rights!!

I would have thought ethos would have had Cavan county board embracing Johnston and taking him back into panel.. You know community spirit take seanie back etc??

full_irish · 06-06-2012 1:17pm

As a lilywhite, can I just say its easier to let Dark-Knight spout away and ignore him. He's a wee bit of keyboard warrior... just have a flick through the Kildare forum and ye'll see this isn't unique to this thread.

Oh and to answer the hypothetical question that everyone keeps avoiding.

Would I like to see a talented Kildare player (e.g JD) move to Dublin?
Hell to the no, I'd be fuming if it happened as there would be no reason for him to transfer as its a commutable distance. I'd hold the dirt beneath my shoe in higher esteem.
If he say got a great job in Donegal or West Cork etc (i.e not commutable) and moved cus of this recession fella, then it'd be hard be begrudge him. Good luck to ya, just try not score against Kildare if we met your new team.

Any in regards to Johnston transfer?
Do I think it's a good precedent for the game? No.
Do I think it will be a big issue in the future? No, the fella's in CCCC/CAC will have to re-draft the rules to tighten this up.
Do I want Seanie at Kildare? Of course, he seems to be a talented player and I'm clearly a big hypocrit but at least I'm willing to admit it. I'd be only delighted if he kicked the winning point in ANY game this season. I think talks of an All-Ireland is pre-mature as we haven't beaten any of the big Div. 1 teams in I don't know how long.

Apologies for essay. Hope this can tie up a few loose knots and then get this thread (which is going in circles) closed in the near future.

Felexicon · 06-06-2012 1:19pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Tbh and completely honest no I wouldn't. Believe it or not but nobody in any county panel owes anybody anything..

Why would anyone be bitter towards any other man?

Seeing the ethos crap being spouted here why are gaa bosses paid a salary? While young in country wear **** kit??

I don't believe ethical gaa notions when the top of gaa are paid salaries..

Johnston is a small fish in big water gaa thought they could bully him out of transfer but fair ****s to him for standing his ground on the matter. Why should he not play inter county if his own county said they didn't want him? Remember he didn't abandon Cavan! Cavan abandoned him.

Look I'm not having a go here but do you really think the GAA were trying to block this transfer because of the person or county involved?
Because that would be rediculous. There is a rule book which needs to be followed and this particular case showed alot of grey areas in that rule book. I would be of the opinion that the GAA were right to take so long in coming to a decision as the outcome will have a knock-on affect with other transfer requests in the future.

Also you really don't expect the GAA as an orgainisation to ensure all teams at all clubs have top notch gear to play in do you? That simply wouldn't be possible and you including it in your arguement actually made me take your following points less seriously at first

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 1:20pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Since u seem to know it all answer this - why when Cavan management changed did Cavan not build bridges with seanie?? If he was dropped by management why did nobody stand behind him if he is sorry WAS your counties finest footballer?

Cavan abandoned him that in itself is **** after the years of service he gave Cavan.

Don't judge anyone here lemlin you don't have any rights!!

I would have thought ethos would have had Cavan county board embracing Johnston and taking him back into panel.. You know community spirit take seanie back etc??

Is there any chance you can actually answer the question you were asked? Because you haven't answered the question in the drivel spouted above.

I'll ask again, how did Cavan "act the bollix" with Johnston?

Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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