Cashless Society

rigormortis · 08-02-2008 9:12am

Truth published in a newspaper? Not often this happens.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2253033,00.html

humanji · 08-02-2008 9:56am

It's in a newspaper and therefore must be untrue. It's the NWO lying to you again!

Run_to_da_hills · 08-02-2008 11:04am

humanji wrote: »

It's in a newspaper and therefore must be untrue. It's the NWO lying to you again!

What NWO, who are they?

meglome · 08-02-2008 11:46am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What NWO, who are they?

Our lords and masters who control everything seemingly. Would appear most unlikely but that doesn't seem to concern a lot of the posters in here.

There seems to be a belief that us sceptics don't believe there's anything bad happening in the world that we should be worried about. That's simply not true. I'm sure we're worried about any number of different things, such as the passport chipping issue that bonkey mentions. What we're not going to do is get too excited about some implausible and often frankly ridiculous conspiracy which has no evidence to back it up.

humanji · 08-02-2008 12:16pm

It's the New World Order, a supposed group that runs everything, is enslaving humanity, worships the devil, uses space lasers to destroy buildings, are really lizard men or are any perpetrator of the conspiracy de jour.

Casey and many others claim that the NWO have 100% control over the media and so the media can't be trusted. Yet somehow this belief is completely ignored when a paper publishes something that agrees with them.

djpbarry · 08-02-2008 12:47pm

humanji wrote: »

Casey and many others claim that the NWO have 100% control over the media and so the media can't be trusted.

We've just upped it to 110%.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-02-2008 10:44am

Interesting news, biometric fingerprinting to become manditory for anyone entering the EU, another step towards totalitarian controll and your "666" electronic passport. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242386.stm

rigormortis · 14-02-2008 10:48am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Interesting news, biometric fingerprinting to become manditory for anyone entering the EU, another step towards totalitarian controll and your "666" electronic passport. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242386.stm

Yes, the people need to reject this invasion of privacy. Things are starting to get totally out of hand. Cashless society, RFID, biometrics, cctv, satellite tracking, police state. In ten years the world will be a living hell, and yet people just float along oblivious.

Look at this joke;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=514033&in_page_id=1770

Kernel · 14-02-2008 8:31pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What NWO, who are they?

Since nobody has given you a serious answer (I'm disappointed again guys!). The NWO is a system of control and direction for the planet. The term NWO is sometimes used to refer to the groups involved (or possibly the one group [illuminati] in control of the smaller groups). The smaller groups are the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Group and some believe the Masons are in there too.

Basically powerful elite from political, academic and industrial disciplines who have a vision of the future and an agenda to achieve it. Google it, the rabbit hole runs too deeply for a simple answer.

EDIT: Ehhh.. NWO stands for New World Order (in case you didn't know that).

Run_to_da_hills · 14-02-2008 10:34pm

Kernel wrote: »

Since nobody has given you a serious answer (I'm disappointed again guys!). The NWO is a system of control and direction for the planet. The term NWO is sometimes used to refer to the groups involved (or possibly the one group [illuminati] in control of the smaller groups). The smaller groups are the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Group and some believe the Masons are in there too.

Basically powerful elite from political, academic and industrial disciplines who have a vision of the future and an agenda to achieve it. Google it, the rabbit hole runs too deeply for a simple answer.

EDIT: Ehhh.. NWO stands for New World Order (in case you didn't know that).

I prefere not to use the term "New World Order", it is used too much by conspiracy theorists.

rigormortis wrote: »

Yes, the people need to reject this invasion of privacy. Things are starting to get totally out of hand. Cashless society, RFID, biometrics, cctv, satellite tracking, police state. In ten years the world will be a living hell, and yet people just float along oblivious.

Our government's top leaders have sold us into financial and economic slavery. The problem is that people don't get angry enough to do something about it until they start losing their homes, their jobs and their freedoms. We are at that point now.

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 12:14pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Our government's top leaders have sold us into financial and economic slavery.

In fairness, the people of this country are not children - the government is not there to tell them what or what not to do with their money. Nobody forces someone to get a €400,000 mortgage that they cannot afford.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 12:19pm

djpbarry wrote: »

In fairness, the people of this country are not children - the government is not there to tell them what or what not to do with their money. Nobody forces someone to get a €400,000 mortgage that they cannot afford.

They certainly behave like children.

And a 400,000 mortage is the only option for anyone who wants a house of their own. Even that would buy a fairly standard house.

Why do you love the government so much?

Diogenes · 15-02-2008 12:30pm

Eero New wrote: »

Why do you love the government so much?

Not as much as you.

You seem to need someone who controls the world so you can blame all of societies ills on them.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 12:52pm

Diogenes wrote: »

Not as much as you.

You seem to need someone who controls the world so you can blame all of societies ills on them.

Someone does control the world and is the cause of much of societies ills.

As for needing them, I would prefer if they went back to their inbreeding and left people like me alone.

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 1:18pm

Eero New wrote: »

And a 400,000 mortage is the only option for anyone who wants a house of their own.

Here's over 35,000 properties on sale in Ireland right now for €350,000 or less:

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?s%5Bcc_id%5D=&s%5Bmnp%5D=&s%5Bmxp%5D=350000&s%5Bbd_no%5D=&refine=Refine&search=1&s%5Bsearch_type%5D=sale&s%5Brefreshmap%5D=1&search_type=sale

The reason house prices soared in Ireland is because Irish people were prepared to pay so much for property. When people became less-prepared to fork out so much cash for sub-standard houses, the prices began to drop. It's simple economics.

Eero New wrote: »

Why do you love the government so much?

I don't recall saying that I did. I just think it's rather foolish to blame all of society's ills on the government, thereby absolving citizens of any responsibility for their own actions.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 1:34pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Here's over 35,000 properties on sale in Ireland right now for €350,000 or less:

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?s%5Bcc_id%5D=&s%5Bmnp%5D=&s%5Bmxp%5D=350000&s%5Bbd_no%5D=&refine=Refine&search=1&s%5Bsearch_type%5D=sale&s%5Brefreshmap%5D=1&search_type=sale

The reason house prices soared in Ireland is because Irish people were prepared to pay so much for property. When people became less-prepared to fork out so much cash for sub-standard houses, the prices began to drop. It's simple economics.
I don't recall saying that I did. I just think it's rather foolish to blame all of society's ills on the government, thereby absolving citizens of any responsibility for their own actions.

The price is all relative. That price in somewhere like dublin would buy a kip.

That website seems to be a piss take in itself, daft.ie.

The reason prices soared was because estate agents set up nothing better than a racketeering scheme. People will pay the rate because they want some sense of security, but that dosent make it right.

Its like the oil scam, the price of petrol has gone through the roof, apparently on the back of increased source prices, yet the likes of BP are reporting profits like never before.

Take the Inuit peoples from the antartcia, the westeners came in and slapped a culture down on them. Persuaded them to live in log cabins, which were nowhere near as efficient as the igloos. So then the inuits have to go and buy oil to heat the bloody things, therefore getting caught in the capitalist system.

Typical government, create the problem then sell the solution. Oldest trick in the book...

Diogenes · 15-02-2008 2:28pm

Eero New wrote: »

Someone does control the world and is the cause of much of societies ills.

As for needing them, I would prefer if they went back to their inbreeding and left people like me alone.

Promise me you'll never change casey....

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 3:17pm

Eero New wrote: »

The price is all relative. That price in somewhere like dublin would buy a kip.

:rolleyes:

Right. Here's over 1,800 properties available in Dublin right now for €350,000 or less:

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?s%5Bcc_id%5D=c1&s%5Bmnp%5D=&s%5Bmxp%5D=350000&s%5Bbd_no%5D=&refine=Refine&search=1&s%5Bsearch_type%5D=sale&s%5Brefreshmap%5D=1&search_type=sale

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're problem is with this? If you think property in Ireland is too expensive, then don't buy it.

Eero New wrote: »

People will pay the rate because they want some sense of security, but that dosent make it right.

People paid the rate because, in many cases, (in my opinion) they were idiots borrowing far more than they could afford. Estate agents had nothing to do with it - they can’t force people to buy houses. People are responsible for their own personal finances - they can't start looking for someone else to blame when it all goes pear-shaped.

Eero New wrote: »

Its like the oil scam, the price of petrol has gone through the roof, apparently on the back of increased source prices, yet the likes of BP are reporting profits like never before.

The price of oil is largely dependent on supply, demand (which is sky-rocketing) and the price that people are prepared to pay. Again, if you think oil/petrol is too expensive, then don't buy it, or at least cut back on it.

Eero New wrote: »

Take the Inuit peoples from the antartcia, the westeners came in and slapped a culture down on them. Persuaded them to live in log cabins, which were nowhere near as efficient as the igloos. So then the inuits have to go and buy oil to heat the bloody things, therefore getting caught in the capitalist system.

Right...

Not really sure what European colonisation has to do with this discussion. And I presume you were referring to the Arctic, rather than Antarctica?

Eero New · 15-02-2008 3:40pm

djpbarry wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Right. Here's over 1,800 properties available in Dublin right now for €350,000 or less:

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?s%5Bcc_id%5D=c1&s%5Bmnp%5D=&s%5Bmxp%5D=350000&s%5Bbd_no%5D=&refine=Refine&search=1&s%5Bsearch_type%5D=sale&s%5Brefreshmap%5D=1&search_type=sale

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're problem is with this? If you think property in Ireland is too expensive, then don't buy it.
People paid the rate because, in many cases, (in my opinion) they were idiots borrowing far more than they could afford. Estate agents had nothing to do with it - they can’t force people to buy houses. People are responsible for their own personal finances - they can't start looking for someone else to blame when it all goes pear-shaped.
The price of oil is largely dependent on supply, demand (which is sky-rocketing) and the price that people are prepared to pay. Again, if you think oil/petrol is too expensive, then don't buy it, or at least cut back on it.
Right...

Not really sure what European colonisation has to do with this discussion. And I presume you were referring to the Arctic, rather than Antarctica?

What if i want to buy a home but i feel it is too expensive/inflated??

What if I want oil to heat my home but it is too expensive??

You seem to be condoning the capatialist system ripping off the consumer. Typical 'go getting' opinion of the greedy wannabe corporate climber.

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 3:53pm

Eero New wrote: »

What if i want to buy a home but i feel it is too expensive/inflated??

Then don't.

Eero New wrote: »

What if I want oil to heat my home but it is too expensive??

Switch to an alternative fuel or else make your home more energy-efficient, thus requiring less fuel to heat it.

Eero New wrote: »

You seem to be condoning the capatialist system ripping off the consumer. Typical 'go getting' opinion of the greedy wannabe corporate climber.

Yeah, I'm a "go-getting" capitalist :rolleyes:

People usually get "ripped off" with their own consent. For example, people complain about the price of cars and the price of petrol in Ireland, yet the rate of car ownership in this country is increasing dramatically. People KNOW that certain things are over-priced, but, for whatever reason (and it's rarely necessity) they buy them anyway.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 4:26pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Then don't.
Switch to an alternative fuel or else make your home more energy-efficient, thus requiring less fuel to heat it.
Yeah, I'm a "go-getting" capitalist :rolleyes:

People usually get "ripped off" with their own consent. For example, people complain about the price of cars and the price of petrol in Ireland, yet the rate of car ownership in this country is increasing dramatically. People KNOW that certain things are over-priced, but, for whatever reason (and it's rarely necessity) they buy them anyway.

I think your getting consent and coercion mixed up.

People need house to live in. Do you agree?

People need to heat the bloody things. Do you agree?

Many people need a car. Do you agree?

Everyone is forced to pay the prices charged by these racketeers becasue they are the providing intrinsic tools for survival.

You seem like a right little dictator, you and a few of the henchmen here would make quite the government.

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 5:13pm

Eero New wrote: »

People need house to live in. Do you agree?

Of course they do, but they don't NEED to pay €400,000+ to get one.

Eero New wrote: »

People need to heat the bloody things. Do you agree?

Yes, but there are different ways to achieve this and plenty of ways to increase efficiency, as I have already said.

Eero New wrote: »

Many people need a car. Do you agree?

Are you going to list off EVERY commodity you can think of?

Many people WANT a car, fewer people NEED one. Again, dependency on oil can be reduced by buying a more economical car, a concept that seems to be lost on many Irish drivers.

Eero New wrote: »

Everyone is forced to pay the prices charged by these racketeers becasue they are the providing intrinsic tools for survival.

Nobody is FORCED to pay for anything.

You are implying that people are being forced into the lifestyles that they lead, which is nonsense. People make conscious decisions to live where they live, work where they work and shop where they shop. They may convince themselves that they don't have a choice, but they do.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 6:54pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Of course they do, but they don't NEED to pay €400,000+ to get one.
Yes, but there are different ways to achieve this and plenty of ways to increase efficiency, as I have already said.
Are you going to list off EVERY commodity you can think of?

Many people WANT a car, fewer people NEED one. Again, dependency on oil can be reduced by buying a more economical car, a concept that seems to be lost on many Irish drivers.
Nobody is FORCED to pay for anything.

You are implying that people are being forced into the lifestyles that they lead, which is nonsense. People make conscious decisions to live where they live, work where they work and shop where they shop. They may convince themselves that they don't have a choice, but they do.

I wouldnt call a roof over your heat and some heating a 'Lifestyle'.

These are basic physiological needs, which you seem to think people are not entitled too/should pay a small fortune for. Do you work for the UN by anychance? Your attitude certianly seems to follow their script.

djpbarry · 15-02-2008 7:55pm

Eero New wrote: »

I wouldnt call a roof over your heat and some heating a 'Lifestyle'.

Right... :rolleyes:

The vast majority of Irish people are trying to support lifestyles far in excess of merely having a roof over their heads.

Eero New wrote: »

These are basic physiological needs, which you seem to think people are not entitled too/should pay a small fortune for.

I never said anything of the sort. In fact, it is you who seem to think that people HAVE to pay vast sums of money just to get by, which is absolute nonsense. Ireland is an expensive country, but, as I have said already, the cost of living has risen so dramatically because people have been prepared to pay far too much for too little. This is something that you seem unwilling to accept, that somehow people are being forced into buying everything that they see.

Eero New · 15-02-2008 8:11pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Right... :rolleyes:

The vast majority of Irish people are trying to support lifestyles far in excess of merely having a roof over their heads.
I never said anything of the sort. In fact, it is you who seem to think that people HAVE to pay vast sums of money just to get by, which is absolute nonsense. Ireland is an expensive country, but, as I have said already, the cost of living has risen so dramatically because people have been prepared to pay far too much for too little. This is something that you seem unwilling to accept, that somehow people are being forced into buying everything that they see.

Im talking about the reasonable man who merely wants a roof over his head and some fuel to heat the place. Why should they have to pay extortionate amounts for this 'privelege'.

True, there are many living above their means, who would think of themsevles as being above demanding some quality and value in the marketplace. But sure arn't most people champing at the bit to be part of 'New Brand Ireland'. This lifestyle choice they have made will soon have its veil lifted.

tunaman · 19-02-2008 3:54am

bonkey wrote: »

Well, lets see.....

If everyone was implanted, and if those implants were monitored 24/7, here's what I'd do:

1) Go somewhere out of range / shielded against RFID tracking. This is trivial, given the nature of RFID and the distances over which it works (24/7 tracking, therefore, is an impossibility, wherein lies the complete failure of the system)

2) Have my chip removed/shielded/disabled/broken, and potentially have a chip cloned from Joe Q Public put in instead.
3) Commit crim
4) Go somewhere out of range / shielded against RFID tracking
5) Have my own chip re-inserted / unshielded / re-enabled.

By using tin-foil perhaps?

Now...if you happen to have a tamper-proof, infinite-range, unblockable, unbreakable RFID chip, then these problems become a bit harder to crack (but not impossible).

What do you suggest?

Lots more tin-foil?

Run_to_da_hills · 19-02-2008 10:18am

tunaman wrote: »

By using tin-foil perhaps?
What do you suggest? Lots more tin-foil?

Lead would be better, it has very poor conductivity, ie carry a lead wallet, wear lead wrist bands and gloves to shield your RFID implant !!!:eek:

humanji · 19-02-2008 10:28am

Don't knock tinfoil! We may need to rely on it someday

Mahatma coat · 19-02-2008 12:38pm

I did the plastering in the X-ray ward at the new clinic in Waterford a few years ago (the one beside the Good Shepherd on the cork road) we used a lead based plaster that went on at an inch thick.

my brother was workin on the Mater hospital here in Brisbane (vulture St West end) this year and they had to do the shielding for the X-ray room, he epected it to be the same sh1te, but it wasnt, they plasterboarded the room and then sprayed some kind of paint on the walls, same job apparently, so the technology to shield yerself is getin a lot better.

will e-mail the bro tomorrow to find out wht ths stuff is called.

course it could just be that the ausies just dont give a rattlinfcuk about peoples safety :eek:

Run_to_da_hills · 21-02-2008 12:10am

RFID blocking wallets have been on sale for some time.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/

Kernel · 22-02-2008 7:41pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I did the plastering in the X-ray ward at the new clinic in Waterford a few years ago (the one beside the Good Shepherd on the cork road) we used a lead based plaster that went on at an inch thick.

I was thinking about this problem. Wouldn't a Farraday Cage prevent RFID? If so, a fine mesh could be put into the walls/plasterboards, blocking all radio waves and microwaves. Wouldn't work with X-Rays however.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-02-2008 7:52pm

Reading in to nights Herald, the EU is is proposing to demand passengers travelling on domestic flights or between European Union countries to hand over up to 19 pieces of information including their credit card details and mobile phone number. The UK propose to extend these requirements to ship and rail travel. This exceeds the information that is required of on the Real ID card. Similar article http://ukpress.google.com/article/AL...ewjbSd1bz-AGtw

humanji · 24-02-2008 7:09pm

How can they demand credit card details and mobile numbers from people with no credit cards or mobile phone?

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2008 1:52am

humanji wrote: »

How can they demand credit card details and mobile numbers from people with no credit cards or mobile phone?

They have these records already, they don't need to demand them, all they want to do is to pass legistation to have all these records on one smart card.

humanji · 25-02-2008 9:48am

But what if you don't have a credit card or a mobile phone? They can't demand to have them? Oh, and the link is dead, does anyone have an alt?

Mahatma coat · 25-02-2008 1:24pm

Have you tried to check into a hotel or rent a car recently? if you dont have a Credit card then you are denied the service. once this 'legislation; gets put in place the yer Skrewed.

djpbarry · 25-02-2008 2:23pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Have you tried to check into a hotel or rent a car recently? if you dont have a Credit card then you are denied the service.

I've checked into plenty of places without credit cards, admittedly mostly hostels and guest houses. I can't imagine a hotel would refuse your custom just because you don't have a credit card; there's no reason for them to.

Mahatma coat · 25-02-2008 2:42pm

I dont have a personal card anymore, I tried to check into 6 different hotels in Perth about a month ago, same answer every time,'its policy sir' even though I had just come from the BDC at the airport with about a grand in my fist

Mahatma coat · 25-02-2008 2:46pm

ended up stayin in a backpackers in Northbridge that I frequented a few years ago instead, shame tho I was plannin on spoilin meself for a few days on account of savin a ****eload on flights

djpbarry · 25-02-2008 3:03pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I dont have a personal card anymore, I tried to check into 6 different hotels in Perth about a month ago, same answer every time,'its policy sir' even though I had just come from the BDC at the airport with about a grand in my fist

I've honestly never encountered anything like that, and I do travel a fair bit. The only time I've been asked for a credit card at check-in is if I made the reservation with said card.

I do know of some hotels who don't accept cash for security reasons (understandable), but they will accept virtually any other form of payment.

STEVO B · 25-02-2008 3:11pm

djpbarry wrote: »

I've honestly never encountered anything like that, and I do travel a fair bit. The only time I've been asked for a credit card at check-in is if I made the reservation with said card.

I do know of some hotels who don't accept cash for security reasons (understandable), but they will accept virtually any other form of payment.

Security reasons eh...

Its all a push to the cashless society.

Oh, it'll be safer with credit cards. Give that a few years then that'll be deemed as not safe enough, a chip in the arm will then be the only option...

djpbarry · 25-02-2008 3:16pm

STEVO B wrote: »

Security reasons eh...

Its all a push to the cashless society.

Would you be comfortable working on reception in a hotel near say, Dublin Airport, with several thousand euros in your possession? Having worked in a convenience store when I was younger (and having witnessed two robberies there), I know I wouldn't.

Mahatma coat · 25-02-2008 3:25pm

Ok did you miss the bit about me havin over a grand of 'my own money' in my pocket at the time, wouldnt bother me in the slightest how much ws in the till, ya get rolled ya get rolled, if you work for a hotel they have insurance against that kinda thing.

its like - not everyone is an acceptable risk for a Creditcard so now we have debit cards to 'cater' for this end of the market, once they've got you in then the next push will be the chip in the arm

Run_to_da_hills · 25-02-2008 3:37pm

We are all conditioned into the necessity of having Credit Cards. Try approaching a Ryanair counter in Dublin Airport with a ball of change asking for a cheap flight.

STEVO B · 25-02-2008 3:59pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Would you be comfortable working on reception in a hotel near say, Dublin Airport, with several thousand euros in your possession? Having worked in a convenience store when I was younger (and having witnessed two robberies there), I know I wouldn't.

Its the way its been for years (keeping cash).
There has always been robberies. Big deal.

If a person asked me for the money of a hotel I was working at I would have to problem handing it over.

Its not as if using credit cards are going to make it any safer, we are all well aware of the possibilites of credit card fraud.

I dont have a credit card and would be well pissed off with any hotel refusing my business on this basis.

I have no doubt it will get to the stage where nearly everything will require the credit card as oppose to cash, thus forcing everyone into using this form of payment. Reducing public freedom and privcay.

I dont want the government knowing what I spend every penny on...

Run_to_da_hills · 26-02-2008 10:32pm

Coinstar is like a big monster that conveniently "eats" all your loose change at your own expence and credits the amount to various smart cards. It will take in cash up to the value of E999.99 a time.

These machines are globally marketed and placed about supermarkets, shopping malls and airports. I just saw a brand spanking new one installed at the Tesco at the Dunlaoghaire Shopping Centre!!!! :eek: Will it be compatible with the Oystercard and the Luas Transit Smartcard.. No Doubt it will!!!

They actually have the cheek to charge you for this service !! talk about financing a tool that will eventually help rid the world of all cash and usher in the Big Brother "666" all in one RFID cash card !!!! :eek: [url] http://www.coinstar.com/us/html/a-home[/url]

Some of the insentives to make you want to dispose you of this cash. http://www.coinstar.com/us/html/A1-3

STEVO B · 26-02-2008 10:43pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They actually have the cheek to charge you for this service !!

Oh yes, the oldest trick in the book.

If it was for free people might get spooked and suspicious, but by charging people for a service they think they are actually getting something of value.

humanji · 27-02-2008 9:51am

Why not charge? Do both of you work for free? And if it's so terrible to use one of these machines, then just go to a bank and get it done for free.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-02-2008 9:58am

humanji wrote: »

Why not charge? Do both of you work for free? And if it's so terrible to use one of these machines, then just go to a bank and get it done for free.

Try dropping a ball of loose unassorted cash made up of foreign and old coins at a bank counter and you will soon be told what to do with them!! Have you ever waited at a bank counter and the person in front is dropping off money bags? It certainly pi&*&&es me off!!

These machines should be subsidised by those who are trying to push these smart cards i.e. the big ones Visa and Mastercard.

Dirty Dave · 27-02-2008 10:30am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Try dropping a ball of loose unassorted cash made up of foreign and old coins at a bank counter and you will soon be told what to do with them!! Have you ever waited at a bank counter and the person in front is dropping off money bags? It certainly pi&*&&es me off!!

These machines should be subsidised by those who are trying to push these smart cards i.e. the big ones Visa and Mastercard.

How anyone can think that coinstar machines are part of some big conspiracy boggles the mind. :eek:

Some bright spark saw a niche for a service like this and decided to fill it.

I'm one of those people who hates fishing around in my pocket for change, so I generally pay with notes which means my bedside locker contains the equivalent nickel and tin deposits of a small country!

There's no way I'd be bothered counting it all into bags and bringing it to my local bank, so I think the machine in my local shop is a great idea. I have no problem paying a percentage of the coins' value to pay for the service.

If I didnt, I'd just end up leaving it there on my locker and never getting any money for it.

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