"Southern" Ireland... do you mean 'Ireland'?

Latchy · 08-12-2008 1:32pm

Have people ever thought that if Ireland and the UK had being joined at the hips with the rest of mainland europe our history would have being re written again and Hitler and co would have made a more serious attempt at invading both islands. Assuming he did invade and millions more ,both irish and british were killed defeating him ,we to would have had adopted an anti german stance .The point is we are two islands and if we had being physicaly joined up by land then who knows what might have occured .Perhaps we would have being invaded by some other european races and not just the English . We are lucky in that respect that unlike the rest of europe during both major world wars , we werent invaded and killed in our millions .The benifits of being island races .

edit-although the vikings and danes got in there before the Normans a few centurys previously .

Hobbes · 08-12-2008 2:22pm

JaysusMacfeck wrote: »

I had the honour of reading some history books, British curriculum history books no less.. still used in England today.

You will find all countries do this. I did schooling in England and Ireland when I was a kid. In England you were taught how the Irish were poor people who didn't want to better themselves when the British wanted to help them.

On the Irish perspective you learnt that English people were thieves and animals for total disregard for human life.

Neither history class was non-biased.

Latchy · 08-12-2008 2:25pm

And we still revert to sterotype .

Fratton Fred · 08-12-2008 2:27pm

JaysusMacfeck wrote: »

I had the honour of reading some history books, British curriculum history books no less.. still used in England today.

The Brits in school are taught about "Irish" history in a very different way than we are, as I discovered. I put 'Irish' in quotes because it is taught as "other history of the British isles".

Irish history in the English curriculum is extremely scarce, and any mention of the island of Ireland refers to mainly Northern Ireland and the IRA terrorists killing the innocent British protestants - the rightful British landowners in Ireland who were “discriminated against” and "disrespected by the Catholics".

Ireland (as we know it) is referred to as "Southern" Ireland only, which is a part the British Isles (pictures showing Ireland and Britain with "BRITISH ISLES" plastered all over Ireland - very misleading me thinks. This is why Brits ask me if I’m “southern Irish”. I say “No, I’m not from Cork, I’m from Dublin, I’m Irish….”

According to this book, the problems in N.I are due to the... “long established British protestants” and “the Catholic differences that opposed them and wanted to invade the protestant, British land”. Also, some vague mention of England granting "Southern Ireland" some sort of limited control over “some southern areas’.

OK, let’s pretend that I'm a British kid learning history in Britain. As far as I'm concerned, the island of Ireland belongs to the UK, all the people from Ireland were originally British, and the 'troubles' on that little island are due to the minority Catholic 'backward' people, and also the IRA terrorists. It’s these pesky ‘Irish’ people that became greedy and wanted the land in Ireland for themselves.

I AM TELLING YOU NOW – I have lived and worked in the UK for 3 years – This is what the majority of English people think.

You’d be surprised at how many think that the whole Island of Ireland is ruled by London and that the Irish people are of royal blood and that the Union Jack represents the two islands. I pity these people, I pity the fact that they have been fed bull**** for most of there lives.

Why do the Brits censor their shameful history? The Germans are taught EVERYTHING about their history - I respect the Germans in that they know the TRUTH about their country’s history. I also respect the Dutch because they are taught MORE about Irish history than the Brits– I cannot count the amount of times the Dutch have apologised for mistaking me as British!

Some 'facts' from British education:

"The Gaelic language comes from Scotland. All music, language and culture originated from British Scotland ....... The Southern Irish still use old Scottish Gaelic placenames on their road signs, they cling to their links with the other British languages."

Wrong. Irish comes from Ireland. The Scottish language comes from Irish. The Scots came from Ireland!

That surprises me. that is certainly not how i was taught history (Although it was rather a long time ago that i went to school). In light of todays education system being run by leftie pc freaks, I am surprised they got it so wrong.

Any chance you could provide the name of the book?

Red Sleeping Beauty · 09-12-2008 3:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

Its the same with Ireland. We're taught about the famine, but no effort is made to point out how we could have avoided it.... We're taught about our glorious failures with rebellions, but we don't really teach what rebels did to loyalist families, or the acts against those who sided with the crown.....

I've lost count of the number of times I've read something that either counters what I was taught in school, or wasn't even mentioned at all.

The history that I was taught (I was born mid 80s) was hardly concise. History that is taught compulsarily will never be concise. I do think it should be unbiased and at least cover all the main points and give students an idea of what they'll learn should they continue on with History in Leaving Cert or College.

giggsy664 wrote: »

"One always speaks of dying for ones country, but never of killing for ones country"

Just wondering, who said that ?

Deleted User wrote: »

I really think people here have missed the point!
Foreigners have different names for countries, regions etc

60 odd Million in Britain (and many others around the world) call this "southern Ireland", get over it - it's not important!

When was the last time you referred to Germany as Doishlant (rough pronunciation) or Poland as Ploska and so on
Another classic example is Türkiye (Turkey), the Turks don't like their country being associated with a Christmas dinner!

I think this is a bit more important than calling a country by it's native language name. This is like saying Georgia is just a small off shoot of Russia rather than it's own country.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That surprises me. that is certainly not how i was taught history (Although it was rather a long time ago that i went to school). In light of todays education system being run by leftie pc freaks, I am surprised they got it so wrong.

Any chance you could provide the name of the book?

Any chance you could elaborate on "leftie pc freaks" ?

Alun wrote: »

Many Irish people also use "English" and "British" interchangeably, such as when referring to the non-existent "English army" for example. I also know many people who think Holyhead is in England as well. It cuts both ways.

This is a very good point. My (Scottish) girlfriend lives in Glasgow, Scotland and my mother, brother, grandmother etc. all seem to be unable to differentiate Scotland from the England/Britian/UK. They more or less see the UK as synonymous with England -which it more or less is but they don't understand the differences. Although, no one would say that Scotland is "northern England/Britain/United Kingdom" would they ? or that Wales is "southwest England/Britain/United Kingdom" .

09-12-2008 4:24am

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I think this is a bit more important than calling a country by it's native language name. This is like saying Georgia is just a small off shoot of Russia rather than it's own country.

You missed my last comment, which is the main point.

Deleted User wrote: »

You (or your leaders) can dictate how you name your own country -BUT! you can't dictate how foreigners name it!

If for example an African country for some strange reason, decided to call Ireland "Arswipe" which may mean "small Island" in their language, what are you going to do?

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Although, no one would say that Scotland is "northern England/Britain/United Kingdom" would they ? or that Wales is "southwest England/Britain/United Kingdom" .

No, the vast majority of English people know that Wales and Scotland are different countries, and would say Wales or Scotland.
They may not be able to name many of the counties, but then again they couldn't name all the english counties either.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 09-12-2008 4:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

No, the vast majority of English people know that Wales and Scotland are different countries, and would say Wales or Scotland.
They may not be able to name many of the counties, but then again they couldn't name all the english counties either.

I meant no Irish person would say that Scotland is "Northern Britain". I wouldn't be too quick to make the generalisation that all English people understand that Wales and Scotland are their own countries. You'd be surprised what the readers of the Daily Mail believe. There's a difference between understanding the differences between England, Scotland and Wales and being able to name counties. Can you name off all 32 counties or Irelands Northern and Republic without looking it up ?

Anyway, Scotland is more it's own country than Wales. Scotland has it's own public bodies such as the NHS, it's own parliment, even it's own laws (although they're not really recognized by the English/UK government). The English/UK government can choose not to recognize the Scottish parliment whenver it wants and can dissolve it at any time and regain full power, what they essentially have is the home rule that Ireland was going to have before we became a Republic. Wales has a sort of Northern Ireland style assembly, they're not very powerful.

I've been to many English cities and when I went to Cardiff I didn't feel the difference, it was very similar to Bristol which is just across the River Severn. Although, that was it's main city, if you travel outside of Cardiff you'll find cultural differences. England has raped and pillaged Wales for centuries, there's an untold story there that I don't think has made it outside Wales. Scotland has done a fairly decent job of distancing itself from England, there's even a movement to have Scotland removed from the United Kingdom.

twinytwo · 09-12-2008 6:20pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I meant no Irish person would say that Scotland is "Northern Britain". I wouldn't be too quick to make the generalisation that all English people understand that Wales and Scotland are their own countries. You'd be surprised what the readers of the Daily Mail believe. There's a difference between understanding the differences between England, Scotland and Wales and being able to name counties. Can you name off all 32 counties or Irelands Northern and Republic without looking it up ?

Anyway, Scotland is more it's own country than Wales. Scotland has it's own public bodies such as the NHS, it's own parliment, even it's own laws (although they're not really recognized by the English/UK government). The English/UK government can choose not to recognize the Scottish parliment whenver it wants and can dissolve it at any time and regain full power, what they essentially have is the home rule that Ireland was going to have before we became a Republic. Wales has a sort of Northern Ireland style assembly, they're not very powerful.

I've been to many English cities and when I went to Cardiff I didn't feel the difference, it was very similar to Bristol which is just across the River Severn. Although, that was it's main city, if you travel outside of Cardiff you'll find cultural differences. England has raped and pillaged Wales for centuries, there's an untold story there that I don't think has made it outside Wales. Scotland has done a fairly decent job of distancing itself from England, there's even a movement to have Scotland removed from the United Kingdom.

i can

Fratton Fred · 09-12-2008 6:26pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Any chance you could elaborate on "leftie pc freaks" ?

Politically correct socialists. When I was at School the teachers took great delight in telling you all about Britains past and how nasty imperial Britian had corrupted the world.

That is why I am surprised English schools are using books which are so far off the mark.

I'm also very surprised people call Ireland southern Ireland, I thought it was only americans that did that.

Fratton Fred · 09-12-2008 6:31pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Anyway, Scotland is more it's own country than Wales. Scotland has it's own public bodies such as the NHS, it's own parliment, even it's own laws (although they're not really recognized by the English/UK government). The English/UK government can choose not to recognize the Scottish parliment whenver it wants and can dissolve it at any time and regain full power, what they essentially have is the home rule that Ireland was going to have before we became a Republic. Wales has a sort of Northern Ireland style assembly, they're not very powerful.

I've been to many English cities and when I went to Cardiff I didn't feel the difference, it was very similar to Bristol which is just across the River Severn. Although, that was it's main city, if you travel outside of Cardiff you'll find cultural differences. England has raped and pillaged Wales for centuries, there's an untold story there that I don't think has made it outside Wales. Scotland has done a fairly decent job of distancing itself from England, there's even a movement to have Scotland removed from the United Kingdom.

Could you tell me where the English parliament is? while you're at it, could you tell me what nationality Gordon Browne is?

What did England rape and pillage in Wlaes, there wasn't much left after the irish had finished;)

Your view on UK history is very err, unbalanced.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 12:50pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Politically correct socialists. When I was at School the teachers took great delight in telling you all about Britains past and how nasty imperial Britian had corrupted the world.

That is why I am surprised English schools are using books which are so far off the mark.

I'm also very surprised people call Ireland southern Ireland, I thought it was only americans that did that.

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Could you tell me where the English parliament is? while you're at it, could you tell me what nationality Gordon Browne is?

What did England rape and pillage in Wlaes, there wasn't much left after the irish had finished;)

Your view on UK history is very err, unbalanced.

I never really made any bold statement or "view" on UK history.

Parliament is in Westminister.
Brown is Scottish
Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.
In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

CDfm · 10-12-2008 1:07pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

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Well RTE are west Brits

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-12-2008 1:20pm

CDfm wrote: »

Well RTE are west Brits

Perhaps they meant Carlow which is in [the] southern [part of] Ireland.

getz · 10-12-2008 1:23pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Last night's RTE 9 o clock news refereed to here as "southern Ireland" in an abstract manner when they were reporting on the pork scare.

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".

I never really made any bold statement or "view" on UK history.
Parliament is in Westminister.

Brown is Scottish

Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.

In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

dosent wales scotland and northern ireland have there own parliaments ?the only one who hasent is england ,yet the welsh scotish and irish vote on english matters,but the english have no say on what goes on in the rest of the uk -

CDfm · 10-12-2008 1:31pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Perhaps they meant Carlow which is in [the] southern [part of] Ireland.

Southern Ireland is not what the state is called - we dont call Iran Persia or Beijing -Peking.If the mean the Republic of Ireland say that.

RTE is the state broadcaster and they should get it right.

The reason I used west brit is that they seem to defer to the BBC terms as some kind of gold standard and if they mean Carlow they should say Carlow and by any definition Carlow is in Leinster or the Midlands.

englander · 10-12-2008 1:32pm

As well as RTE, I hear it all the time from Irish colleagues - the term Southern Ireland.

Conversation would be along the lines of

Me: Is that in Northern Ireland ?
Them : No, Southern Ireland.

So stick that in your pipes and smoke it, my Southern Irish friends.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 1:36pm

getz wrote: »

dosent wales scotland and northern ireland have there own parliaments ?the only one who hasent is england ,yet the welsh scotish and irish vote on english matters,but the english have no say on what goes on in the rest of the uk -

Essentially Scotland, Wales and to an extent Northern Ireland all have home rule. It's all fairly complicated but quite interesting if you're into it. Wales and England are one legal entity. Scotland has it's own laws whereas Wales falls under English law. Scotland has a parliament and Wales have an assembly.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 1:39pm

englander wrote: »

As well as RTE, I hear it all the time from Irish colleagues - the term Southern Ireland.

Conversation would be along the lines of

Me: Is that in Northern Ireland ?
Them : No, Southern Ireland.

So stick that in your pipes and smoke it, my Southern Irish friends.

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

Deedsie · 10-12-2008 1:57pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

Id agree with that, Constitution says the name of the country is Ireland/Eire.

Scots, Welsh or Unionist from the North would be offended if they were refered to as Northern England, Wengland, Occupied Six Counties...

And if anyone refers to Britain as the mainland tell them to f**k right off.

We are coming up to 100 years of Independent Ireland, the name of the country should be respected at this stage. Alot of UK citizens and a few Irish citizens consider Ireland as still part of the UK or wish it was.

veryangryman · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

The British do not care about us. Nor should we care what they think.

FTIW they also do not care (and know little about) Belgium, Denmark, Switzerland and numerous other insignificant places in the greater scheme of things.

They think were backward farmers and we think their ****. Both statements are generalisations

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

Deedsie wrote: »

Id agree with that, Constitution says the name of the country is Ireland/Eire.

Scots, Welsh or Unionist from the North would be offended if they were refered to as Northern England, Wengland, Occupied Six Counties...

And if anyone refers to Britain as the mainland tell them to f**k right off.

We are coming up to 100 years of Independent Ireland, the name of the country should be respected at this stage. Alot of UK citizens and a few Irish citizens consider Ireland as still part of the UK or wish it was.

I've a mate who just started College in Swansea there in Sept. and she says most of the people in her flat don't know where Scotland is and aren't aware that it's a seperate country, albeit technically.

CDfm · 10-12-2008 2:00pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

The "s" in "souther Ireland" shouldn't be capitalized I don't think.

It's ok to mention southern Ireland as the south of the country or south of the Northern Irish border but saying that all 26 counties here are "Southern Ireland" I am arguing is wrong

I dont understand.

Why doesnt England have its own parliment or assembly?

Does that make it Southern Scotland or Eastern Wales?

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:02pm

veryangryman wrote: »

The British do not care about us. Nor should we care what they think.

FTIW they also do not care (and know little about) Belgium, Denmark, Switzerland and numerous other insignificant places in the greater scheme of things.

They think were backward farmers and we think their ****. Both statements are generalisations

They cared enough about us to want to own the whole damn country!
As has been pointed out Ireland figures in UK history fairly promenantly. Ireland is about 100 or so miles from English soil, reading a tad up on what your neighbouring island is officially called doesn't require that much effort. Especially in these dayz of the information superhighway

Fratton Fred · 10-12-2008 2:04pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Cheers for generalizing all socialists as "politically correct".
Parliament is in Westminister.

Brown is Scottish

Maggie Tatcher closed down mines throughout the '80s which plunged many areas of Wales into a depression.

In 1965 a Welsh valley was flooded in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was

Sorry, Politically correct AND Socialist, is that better.

I know where Westminster is, but that is where the UK Parliament is based, not teh English one. As Getz says, there is no English parliament, assembley call it what you like. There is however a Scottish Prime Minister so effectively despite the fact that 85% of the UK live in England, the Scots have more control over what happens in the UK than the English do, how does that work.

Thatcher closed down mines all over the UK, not just Wales. what has that got to do with anything. they also flooded valleys all over northern England and Scotland to create reservoirs, again not just in Wales.

If anyone in the UK is being raped and pillaged, it is the English tax payer tbh.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 2:07pm

CDfm wrote: »

I dont understand.

Why doesnt England have its own parliment or assembly?

Does that make it Southern Scotland or Eastern Wales?

England = United Kingdom / United Kingdom = England

England did have it's own parliament but an act was passed to dissolve it and create the Parliament of Great Britain.

As I said, the history of Wales, Scotland and England is huge and can be complicated. I don't pretend to understand it all

CDfm · 10-12-2008 2:19pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

England = United Kingdom / United Kingdom = England

England did have it's own parliament but an act was passed to dissolve it and create the Parliament of Great Britain.

As I said, the history of Wales, Scotland and England is huge and can be complicated. I don't pretend to understand it all

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

Hank Scorpio · 10-12-2008 2:29pm

who cares what people in england think

we are free from foreign rule for a very long time now and thats all that matters to me

mike65 · 10-12-2008 2:37pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

]Welsh valley was flooded [/URL]in order to supply English cities with water. Eight hundred acres of land were drowned and of course the whole community was
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ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hundreds must have died.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 3:56pm

CDfm wrote: »

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

The UK Parliament is in England, no need for a second one I suppose.
This is all a bit off topic. Is there much movement on that UK boards' site ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-12-2008 8:36pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Politically correct socialists. When I was at School the teachers took great delight in telling you all about Britains past and how nasty imperial Britian had corrupted the world.

That is why I am surprised English schools are using books which are so far off the mark.

I'm also very surprised people call Ireland southern Ireland, I thought it was only americans that did that.

As long as you differentiate between being politically left and being PC/socialist.

You had some strange teachers that sound like they could have used some counselling to deal with their issues instead of being let loose on young impressionable minds. I've said it before and I'll say it again, history is nothing more than the teaching of hate. Not unlike religion.

Reflector · 10-12-2008 9:29pm

In most drop down menus it's listed as Ireland and not ROI so most of the world are aware we are a seperate country.You hope that the smart brits will educate themselves. I think that history is very skewed in favour of any country and I feel sorry for Germany because if you dig into any countries past you can see huge atrocities and even during that time of Nazism both America and Britain were starting Eugenics policies that were shelved after details of the holocaust came to light.
Also we're not Angels ourselves. I remember reading somewhere that when the Irish piled off the boats in New York during the Famine they basically went around the docks lynching the newly emanciapated blacks in order to take all their jobs. But depsperate times and all.

pablomakaveli · 10-12-2008 10:30pm

CDfm wrote: »

but NI has an assembly they elect,wales an assembly and scotland a parliment.

Great Britain has westminister which governs the lot.

But why doesnt england have an english assembly?

Westminster was originally the english parliament but after the act of union the welsh, scottish and irish parliaments were abolished and MPs from these countries were moved to westminster which became the parliament for the united kingdom as it remains today minus representatives from the republic of ireland
(or s******n ireland;)).

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-12-2008 10:36pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Westminster was originally the english parliament but after the act of union the welsh, scottish and irish parliaments were abolished and MPs from these countries were moved to westminster which became the parliament for the united kingdom as it remains today minus representatives from the republic of ireland
(or s******n ireland;)).

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

Wales only has an assembly which I don't think is the same thing ?

Anyway, if they're that bothered then they could let them go. I'd be all for a Scottish/Welsh/Irish Union.

A Dub in Glasgo · 10-12-2008 10:43pm

The English can set up their own parliament if that is what they wanted. I believe the good people of North East England rejected the opportunity to have an assembly for the region.

pablomakaveli · 10-12-2008 10:45pm

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Wales only has an assembly which I don't think is the same thing ?

Ya you're right thats my mistake.:o

I reckon they should abandon the UK altogether. the union is just a hangover from imperial times and is fairly pointless in this day and age. But i suppose thats their problem.

If an english guy asked me if i was from "southern ireland" id just say "no,i'm from the Republic of Ireland but i guess you welsh guys would'nt know much about that":D

CDfm · 11-12-2008 12:29am

pablomakaveli wrote: »

i have heard the english arent happy about scottish and welsh politicians having a say on english affairs given they have their own parliaments.

They governed other people long enough they have forgotten how to govern themselves:eek:

Its sounds like a full English Breakfast - Danish bacon, scottish eggs, cypriot tomatoes;irish potato,welsh sausages and Israeli Oranges and a Pot of English Tea from India. Cant the English do anything for themselves.

CDfm · 11-12-2008 12:31am

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I believe the good people of North East England rejected the opportunity to have an assembly for the region.

Is North East England in Scotland . I thought they had their own parliment.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 11-12-2008 12:32am

CDfm wrote: »

They governed other people long enough they have forgotten how to govern themselves:eek:

Its sounds like a full English Breakfast - Danish bacon, scottish eggs, cypriot tomatoes;irish potato,welsh sausages and Israeli Oranges and a Pot of English Tea from India. Cant the English do anything for themselves.

haha

Post of the day

Red Sleeping Beauty · 11-12-2008 12:54am

CDfm wrote: »

Is North East England in Scotland . I thought they had their own parliment.

North East England is in England, Scotland is in Scotland . There's a border. The area around the border is known as "the borders". I hear that the Scottish around these areas are a bit wierd.

CDfm · 11-12-2008 1:19am

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

North East England is in England, Scotland is in Scotland . There's a border. The area around the border is known as "the borders". I hear that the Scottish around these areas are a bit wierd.

Ive heard the people are very sensitive there and live in places called Pity Me and Great Cockup

http://www.nestoria.co.uk/pity-me/property/buy[/url

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Cockup

11-12-2008 5:53am

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I'd be all for a Scottish/Welsh/Irish Union.

A marriage made in hell, if ever there was one! :eek:

11-12-2008 5:59am

CDfm wrote: »

Is North East England in Scotland.

:rolleyes:
And the Irish are so quick to criticize British people for misunderstanding the official name for Ireland.

Zebra3 · 11-12-2008 6:06am

JaysusMacfeck wrote: »

You’d be surprised at how many think that the whole Island of Ireland is ruled by London and that the Irish people are of royal blood and that the Union Jack represents the two islands.

Eh, I've got some news that may surprise you....it actually does!!!!

Typical British arrogance. :mad:

Zebra3 · 11-12-2008 6:11am

ek942 wrote: »

On Bravo the other night 'I predict a riot' was about Norn Iron and the git presenting it kept referring to the 'main land'.From a British point of view it's correct.No matter what you think or say those 6 counties are a part of Britain now.

They're not.

Britain consists of England, Scotland and Wales.

:rolleyes:

11-12-2008 6:16am

A picture paints a thousand words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:British_Isles_Euler_diagram.svg

Red Sleeping Beauty · 11-12-2008 7:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

A marriage made in hell, if ever there was one! :eek:

Hehe, perhaps, who knows.

Deleted User wrote: »

A picture paints a thousand words.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:British_Isles_Euler_diagram.svg

It's not quite that black/white.
From the same wiki article that image came from :

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland,[5] where many people [6] find the term objectionable; the Irish government also discourages its usage.[7] There is evidence that as a result of these problems, "Britain and Ireland" is becoming a preferred description

We've still got the Irish Sea remember

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 11-12-2008 9:54am

friend of mine was trying to watch a match on justin.tv last night and was redirected to a page with a large union jack image and the words 'the famine is over, go home'.

I lol'd pretty hard, but everyone else got pretty offended.

just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

Fratton Fred · 11-12-2008 9:55am

CDfm wrote: »

They governed other people long enough they have forgotten how to govern themselves:eek:

Its sounds like a full English Breakfast - Danish bacon, scottish eggs, cypriot tomatoes;irish potato,welsh sausages and Israeli Oranges and a Pot of English Tea from India. Cant the English do anything for themselves.

From the country that can't even build its own roads.

11-12-2008 10:52am

Mordeth wrote: »

friend of mine was trying to watch a match on justin.tv last night and was redirected to a page with a large union jack image and the words 'the famine is over, go home'.

I lol'd pretty hard, but everyone else got pretty offended.

just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

What was it advertising and who was it aimed at??

CDfm · 11-12-2008 11:00am

How come its called the British Isles when there is only one? Surely it should be the British Isle.

"Southern" Ireland... do you mean 'Ireland'?

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