P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

expatoz · 29-09-2008 8:51am

monday morning, connection still crap

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 9:29am

Cabaal wrote: »

dlofnep, good luck with your fight against UPC and its Fair Usage Policy

Oh yeah - I'm well aware of where I'll get with it

I just don't think they would have any legal foot to stand on with it if I wanted to push it.

29-09-2008 9:41am

has anyone talked to upc/ntl yet about this matter?

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 9:49am

I gave NTL a call there. I basically said that I've no problem im adhering to a cap, but that it was hard for me to adhere to a cap when it's non-specified. The supervisor wasn't sure of what it was, but passed my details onto a manager who give give me a call back in a week when he gets back.

I'm not too sure if they were even aware of the throttling issue. I certainly knew more about it than they knew. Probably overwhelmed them with lingo and scared the bejesus out of them :P

29-09-2008 10:55am

its highly unlikely they have no idea about the throttling issue. isp's rarely admit to the fact. the only way you can get through to these people is to cost them money. call them and complain as often as you can and threaten to/or take your business elsewhere. ive read p2p traffic can account for up to 60-70% of an isp's bandwidth usage.. they might want to remind themselves of how much of their clientele this actually equates to.

at first i thought they were only throttling uploads but theyre most definitely limiting downloads as well. i was gettin 50k on a private tracker here, as soon as i connect to a vpn that jumped to 1.1mb/s. bit of a difference there huh?

i also have legitimate applications and games which rely on modern p2p technology and now have to resort to proxies and whatnot simply to get them working. i wouldnt mind at all adhering to some kind of monthly p2p/bitorrent cap but just cutting it off like this with no warning or clear statement is total bull**** and ill be moving to another isp asap if they dont sort their **** out.

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 11:05am

13 wrote: »

its highly unlikely they have no idea about the throttling issue.

They as agents - Yes, it's very possible. ISP's are not known for good communication from the top down. The upper management are probably aware.

13 wrote: »

isp's rarely admit to the fact. the only way you can get through to these people is to cost them money. call them and complain as often as you can and threaten to/or take your business elsewhere. ive read p2p traffic can account for up to 60-70% of an isp's bandwidth usage.. they might want to remind themselves of how much of their clientele this actually equates to.

Threatening to take your business elsewhere won't do anything. Trust me.

29-09-2008 11:34am

They as agents - Yes, it's very possible. ISP's are not known for good communication from the top down. The upper management are probably aware.

thats understandable i guess. all tech support ever do is try and sell me a bloody phone anyway

Threatening to take your business elsewhere won't do anything. Trust me.

its all about the numbers... if enough people were to move to another isp over this issue they would have to take it into consideration as a business factor.

Cabaal · 29-09-2008 11:48am

13 wrote: »

its all about the numbers... if enough people were to move to another isp over this issue they would have to take it into consideration as a business factor.

Its all about numbers, that I'd fully agree...however when you have 5-10% of users using 90-95% of bandwidth then the ISP doesn't care when these users leave it because there actually costing the ISP more money each month then there paying the ISP due to bandwidth costs

So trust me on this, when heavy users leave an ISP an ISP isn't too pushed about them

dlofnep · 29-09-2008 12:06pm

Cabaal is correct.

Cabaal · 29-09-2008 12:19pm

As already mentioned the best you can hope for is for UPC to give more solid information, for example:
- What is the guideline limit for an account on FUP?
- Will they throttle P2P in general?
- Will they only throttle P2P and prioritise http during peak times?

They may not give any of this info to you at all but its the best I'd imagine you can hope for I'd say,

ronrar · 29-09-2008 4:40pm

corkstudent wrote: »

Torrents are no longer connecting at all on Chorus 10mb, until about 15 minutes in. Then it connects very slowly.

This is very frustrating when I'm just looking to torrent small apps and older material that I could find elsewhere if they were currently actively hosted.

still bad for you? thinking of making the switch but the latest posts in this thread have not been so positive

looking for alternatives

Inquitus · 29-09-2008 5:05pm

ronrar wrote: »

still bad for you? thinking of making the switch but the latest posts in this thread have not been so positive

looking for alternatives

The alternatives are to switch to UPC and use RS or Usenet instead of torrents, this will cost you a few quid, but it will max out your connection....unlike torrents.

ronrar · 29-09-2008 5:22pm

Inquitus wrote: »

The alternatives are to switch to UPC and use RS or Usenet instead of torrents, this will cost you a few quid, but it will max out your connection....unlike torrents.

could do that but the stuff i would be mainly using it for is only on torrent sites

MooseJam · 29-09-2008 5:35pm

If they don't expect you to download stuff then why do they sell 10 meg and 20 meg, I mean what can you do with a 20 meg connection that you can't do with a 10, apart from download tonnes of stuff

ronrar · 30-09-2008 4:35pm

people in cork city experiencing the same throttling issues with upc? im in a fookin mess now, what about imagine? any good? their upload speed looks very nice :rolleyes:

arggh i dont know now :mad:

mediacentre.ie · 30-09-2008 8:36pm

does any one know if this is going to be a permenant thing? If it is I'm cancelling.

I am hoping it is just because it is the end of the month and maybe we have all downloaded a bit too much??

JPA · 30-09-2008 8:45pm

mediacentre.ie wrote: »

does any one know if this is going to be a permenant thing? If it is I'm cancelling.

I am hoping it is just because it is the end of the month and maybe we have all downloaded a bit too much??

I have no idea. Has anyone been onto them in the last day or 2?

coldfire1x · 30-09-2008 10:01pm

UPC... the f****** b******s, for last few days I was wondering what happened. Checked everything, port was open, firewall setup, router ok, connection ok... but still wasnt getting the download speeds via torrents. Infact I restored my laptop couple of times thinking some windows update might have screwed some setting.

Now I have discovered this thread. Its not just me

Everyone on the same boat. Not sure whats going to happen. My contract is valid for another 10 months, cant even switch.

10 mb line... what a waste.....

expatoz · 30-09-2008 10:06pm

we are all in the same boat, i hope it picks up for the start of the month but even with 10 months to go there is nothing stopping you from switching, better to do it than to be frustrated and angry for nearly a year

Miscreant · 30-09-2008 11:13pm

I was wondering what was going on with my download speeds on torrents with UPC until I read this. I thought my laptop was on the fritz until my PC started getting the same poor download speeds. Nothing to do with my router either as I have connected each machine directly to the cable modem and still get the same rubbish speeds.
Fair use should not apply in my case anyway as I have the 10mb service and have only downloaded about 10Gb in about a month..... unless Xbox live takes a lot but I doubt it and Torrent packets are different anyway!
Flippin' throttling (if they are using it)!!!!!!!!

mediacentre.ie · 01-10-2008 12:09am

ok it seems to be a monthly thing. My downloads have rocketed back to 2.3mbps!

just as FIFA09 was posted. lol

The-Game · 01-10-2008 12:14am

Ive had the same problems for the past week or so with speeds dropped to unusable levels, its been interfering with gameplay on Xbox live as well, after calling UPC they say theres no problems with the line and say its not throttling either.... the technician was telling me he uses torrents on his own line and gets a perfect connection

dhaddock · 01-10-2008 12:20am

mediacentre.ie wrote: »

ok it seems to be a monthly thing. My downloads have rocketed back to 2.3mbps!

just as FIFA09 was posted. lol

well mine still suck :mad:

expatoz · 01-10-2008 9:29am

no sure where to post this but if anyone knows please answer
my upc/ntl/chorus account started the 1st of july 08 and the d/l u/p allowance was 120gb, i saw someone mention in one of the posts that the ultra (which i have) was 300gb b4 they changed to unlimited can anyone confirm that/

btw if signed to a 120gb allowance and now its "unlimited" does that mean my contract has been changed and i can bail out using that as an excuse

danny1976 · 01-10-2008 9:42am

good

coldfire1x · 01-10-2008 10:34am

mediacentre.ie wrote: »

ok it seems to be a monthly thing. My downloads have rocketed back to 2.3mbps!

just as FIFA09 was posted. lol

Will check mine in the evening. Hope what you are saying is right and it gets better. It's really frustrating and I am really p****d off. :mad:

lafors · 01-10-2008 12:10pm

mediacentre.ie wrote: »

ok it seems to be a monthly thing. My downloads have rocketed back to 2.3mbps!

just as FIFA09 was posted. lol

Well mine is still brutal.
RS files are now not downloading at all, left some running overnight, still all on 0%. Tried a restart there, still the same.
Torrents are downloading but the fastest speed has been 11kb/s!!!!
Getting 0kb/s for upload speed.

As with the rest of you, I'm pretty pissed off with this.
When I rang to get my free 10meg upgrade I asked the guy what was the cap, he said unlimited.....within reason. I asked what was within reason, he said once I wasn't downloading everyday during peak hours it'd be all fine. I'd say in the last month I've downloaded at most 10gb, mainly at night. I don't download games/movies, I mainly get TV shows. I can't see myself staying with them if they keep this up.

coldfire1x · 01-10-2008 12:37pm

^^ Same here. I mostly download tv shows and it hardly crosses more than 10gb a month. Thats less than 15gb cap that was previously in place. Still the bloody f*****s are throttling everyones connection.

If they keep on like this, they are surely going to loose some business.

The-Game · 01-10-2008 7:23pm

In fairness if it says unlimited cap thats false advertising if they are going to hammer people over exceeding an unspecified limit!

Has anyone else's speeds kicked back up? it seems to be torrents are hammerd for me, downloads from an FTP are fairly fast!

JPA · 01-10-2008 7:29pm

I think they are throttling indiscriminately, i.e its not about how much you have downloaded.
They could be using sandvine technology.

mediacentre.ie · 01-10-2008 7:32pm

my was back perfect since 12am on the botton. Is no one elses back up and running???

coldfire1x · 01-10-2008 7:33pm

Mine still the same. No improvement

So they theory about month end is out of the window. B******s....

expatoz · 01-10-2008 7:47pm

no improvement, end of month theory doesn't hold.

The-Game · 01-10-2008 8:33pm

No improvement whatsoever

Miscreant · 01-10-2008 8:35pm

Definately something up here on my UPC connection. Downloading through HTTP at 1Mb/sec but torrents are barely getting 10kb/sec even though I am connected to over 100 seeds.... go figure. Normally would get about 300kb/sec to 400kb/sec depending on the actual torrent but I usually download the same one each week so should know what the average is for this type.
Is there any way to conclusively prove that you are being throttled or is it all just guesswork?

Tazzle · 01-10-2008 9:24pm

I'm on UPC and getting 1200k/s+ on torrents atm from private sites. I find the router complete cock, it seems to like messing with port forwarding. My solution was to disable upnp on it.

barnicles · 01-10-2008 9:24pm

Does Outgoing encryption work?

Tazzle · 01-10-2008 9:29pm

I've it enabled purely so I can connect to people forcing it. It's not really encryption anyway, just obfuscating.

The-Game · 01-10-2008 9:35pm

Tazzle wrote: »

I'm on UPC and getting 1200k/s+ on torrents atm from private sites. I find the router complete cock, it seems to like messing with port forwarding. My solution was to disable upnp on it.

Any suggestions for people just using the modem straight to the pc?

coldfire1x · 01-10-2008 9:41pm

Tazzle wrote: »

I'm on UPC and getting 1200k/s+ on torrents atm from private sites. I find the router complete cock, it seems to like messing with port forwarding. My solution was to disable upnp on it.

I disabled UPnP in the router setting. Still nothing

It doesnt seem to have any effect at all. The speed hardly going over 10-15 KB/s Really pathatic.

dhaddock · 01-10-2008 9:49pm

Today ive been having terrible speeds too. At one point i changed the utorrent port and the dl speed shot up to 1MB/s but after about a min it went back to really slow.

I think il join the crusade and ring upc tomorrow just so they know people arent happy :mad:

*snip*

Cabaal · 02-10-2008 12:29pm

For all those that said RapidShare was safe hosting copyright material, here's the beginning of the end for the site

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081001-german-court-says-rapidshare-must-get-proactive-on-copyrighted-content.html

File sharing service RapidShare may find itself without a viable business model if a German court ruling stands. After getting sued by a German copyright holder, the company argued that it was doing all it could to screen out copyrighted material. The court, however, has ruled that its efforts were insufficient, raising questions about whether doing anything that was legally sufficient could be done without incurring enough costs to sink the company.
Related Stories

* No safe harbor for RapidShare in copyright infringement case

RapidShare is one of a large number of companies that will host large files for users who need to exchange them with friends and family. Like many of these companies, it offers a free service with limited features in the hopes of enticing users to spring for the cost of a premium service, which offers some significant perks, such as hosting larger files, unlimited download speeds, and permanent storage. All of this occurs through a simple web interface, and doesn't involve the P2P transfers that have attracted the ire of ISPs and the copyright industry. As a result, their popularity is growing rapidly; RapidShare accounts for five percent of all IP traffic in some regions.

Of course, the exchange of large files is what P2P was all about, so it's no surprise that copyrighted material is showing up on RapidShare, as well; attention from copyright holders was also inevitable. In this case, that attention came in the form of a lawsuit in Germany, where a copyright holding organization called GEMA has been seeking legal sanction and financial penalties. As we noted in our earlier coverage, Germany lacks the "safe harbor" provisions afforded to US companies, which are exempted from liability for infringing material that their users place on servers or make accessible through their networks if they take it offline once notified of its infringing nature.

The case has been going poorly for RapidShare so far, and it appears to have taken a turn for the worse. The P2P Blog notes that the German courts have issued a ruling (in German, naturally) in which their expectations for RapidShare's antipiracy efforts are spelled out more clearly.

RapidShare argued in court that it maintained hashes of copyrighted material that had appeared on their service in the past, and used those to prescreen material that is uploaded. In addition, it had hired six full-time staff members to go through material it was hosting and to respond to complaints about infringing material. None of this, apparently, is good enough. Simply twiddling a few bits could defeat the hash-based screening, the court ruled, and the six employees were insufficient to proactively examine everything posted to the company's servers before it was made available for download.

The blog translates part of the decision as stating, "a business model that doesn't use common methods of prevention cannot claim the protection of the law," in determining that the near impossibility of screening for all copyrighted material doesn't excuse RapidShare from the legal requirement to do so. I'm hard pressed to think of a "common method" that would suffice to enable the screening of this volume of data. As a result, it looks as though RapidShare may be forced to manually screen every bit of uploaded content. Closing its doors is likely to be a cheaper option should the ruling stand.

I'd expect all the big buys to start going in for the kill in time,

MooseJam · 02-10-2008 12:41pm

you seem chuffed ? I'd imagine someone else would just take up the slack, probably from a country that doesn't care too much about copyrights

MooseJam · 02-10-2008 1:05pm

so did anyone call ntl ? I'd do it myself but can't face the 30 mins on hold

dlofnep · 02-10-2008 1:09pm

MooseJam wrote: »

so did anyone call ntl ? I'd do it myself but can't face the 30 mins on hold

Yes I did. See my post for more info.

Cabaal · 02-10-2008 1:30pm

MooseJam wrote: »

you seem chuffed ? I'd imagine someone else would just take up the slack, probably from a country that doesn't care too much about copyrights

Nah certainly not chuffed, more along the lines of I've posted previously advised people that no service is foul proof and 100% safe from the law and the likes of the MPAA, RIAA, BSA, they have very long arms.

Posting all your "questionable" content with one company on just there servers never seemed like a good idea to start with when compared with bittorrent which is much much harder to shutdown.

No doubt somebody with rise from the ashes and take there place when it does eventually happen.

MooseJam · 02-10-2008 3:31pm

Cabaal wrote: »

bittorrent which is much much harder to shutdown.

wasn't very hard for NTL to shut it down

Cabaal · 02-10-2008 3:51pm

MooseJam wrote: »

wasn't very hard for NTL to shut it down

True to a point, but very easy to still use bittorrent in a round about way to download content,

Get yourself a dedicated server and download to this then download to your content to your PC via ftp or http and unless UPC throttle this (http or ftp) there's nothing they can do and you can max out your connection

MooseJam · 02-10-2008 3:59pm

lol it'd probably be cheaper to buy the stuff, how much would a server cost ?

Slippin Jimmy · 02-10-2008 4:13pm

I have Eircom 3mb broadband and my download speeds aren't anything to write home about. Generally between 50kbps or so. I was using bittorrent, and am now going to utorrent a go. Can anyone suggest anything to improve my speed?

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