Love/Hate (v2) [ Spoilers ]

newballsplease · 15-11-2013 1:21pm

Peter O'meara tweeted earlier(hes the dentist)
'Since so many find it impossible Andrew fitted into the suitcase.Actually folks-I did! #bodywork '

That might shut a few up.

And for the plastic bag critics-'Fran covering Andrews mouth sends him unconscious.Delirium prevents his pulling the bag off.#watchclosely'

I find it a bit sad that the actuall actors are having to explain these types of things out in the open and some people cant actually use their own imagination. Does everything have to be spelt out for some.
F**k me.

Flippyfloppy · 15-11-2013 2:19pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Seriously ? The posts I was making were in jest due to people not understanding what actually happened, I was taking the piss.

I say fair play to builder plumber for being patient with ur blatant dumbness

Too Tough To Die · 15-11-2013 2:33pm

Was there much point to Fran's fights with the auld fella, or was it just a device for him to lose his teeth?

Kenny Logins · 15-11-2013 2:37pm

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Was there much point to Fran's fights with the auld fella, or was it just a device for him to lose his teeth?

I thought so too.

Happyman42 · 15-11-2013 2:38pm

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Was there much point to Fran's fights with the auld fella, or was it just a device for him to lose his teeth?

Another strand dropped, you'll just have to wait it seems.

Too Tough To Die · 15-11-2013 2:47pm

While i'm at it. Didn't Darren rustle up a pipebomb pretty fast to throw at the Ra? Why didn't Nidge avail of his skills in earlier seasons? Would've saved him some bother.

lufties · 15-11-2013 3:52pm

in all fairness, rte should get their arse in gear and get a new series out after 6 months..this year wait is a pain in the hole, especially when carolan stated that series 5 is gonna be a continuation of 4.

BuilderPlumber · 16-11-2013 3:03am

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Was there much point to Fran's fights with the auld fella, or was it just a device for him to lose his teeth?

I'd say Noelie will play a big role in series 5 especially if there is a Nidge v Fran situation.

16-11-2013 3:38am

lufties wrote: »

It might have been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed the emphasis on cigarette smoking in l/h, there must be some tobacco sponsorship there i would think.

No sponsorship of any specific company in fairness but i suppose its keeping true to the type of character that most of them like fag every now and then. That Rosie wasnt the perfect mother material she thought she was either. She smoked AND drank during her pregnancy. "100 brush strokes for princess" me b0llocks :rolleyes:

16-11-2013 3:41am

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I'd say Noelie will play a big role in series 5 especially if there is a Nidge v Fran situation.

He should be used even if it is briefly but i think he might have been a vehicle merely to prove that Fran is quite good at making enemies and not as under the radar as we thought and the grave digging with Deano and Carlo was another vehicle in showing their growing disillusionment with Fran.

16-11-2013 3:43am

EyeSight wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/drama/tv/featured/lovehate/abouttheshow.html

Music on the DVD is normally different to the RTE aired version.

Can anyone tell me is the music played on the DVD version the same as the channel 5 aired version of the show?

Lisha · 16-11-2013 10:18am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Music on the DVD is normally different to the RTE aired version.

Can anyone tell me is the music played on the DVD version the same as the channel 5 aired version of the show?

It was different music for the series shown last year

AnonoBoy · 16-11-2013 3:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can anyone tell me is the music played on the DVD version the same as the channel 5 aired version of the show?

I would imagine that they would be. The international version of Love/Hate is most likely the same as the DVD version.

BuilderPlumber · 16-11-2013 8:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He should be used even if it is briefly but i think he might have been a vehicle merely to prove that Fran is quite good at making enemies and not as under the radar as we thought and the grave digging with Deano and Carlo was another vehicle in showing their growing disillusionment with Fran.

I'd say Noelie will be reintroduced into the series ironically like Fran was himself: comes out of prison and looks for revenge. Would make an interesting part of the story if Nidge and Fran fell out and Noelie is used by Nidge.

BuilderPlumber · 16-11-2013 8:12pm

deise08 wrote: »

Jesus. don't think there was as much discussion over the Kennedy assasination.

Either Nidge, Fran or Dano had JFK killed!

16-11-2013 11:31pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Either Nidge, Fran or Dano had JFK killed!

Git was the third man on the grassy knoll

If Aido and Elmo were given the job one thing for sure, the worlds most famous assassination would most certainly have never taken place.

roise2000 · 17-11-2013 12:03am

anyone watching the repeat tonight?

17-11-2013 12:45am

power pants wrote: »

saw nidge's lawyer in tescos tonight, he had some fishfingers and Weetabix in his basket

Ha ha sums up the popularity of the show when even the minor characters cant go into Tesco without people spying on their shopping.

Sure even Noelie Hughes cant get away from it and he only in one episode

17-11-2013 12:46am

Luckily the lads had Doctor Elmo on site.

"Blood everywhere."

"Doesnt look too good Nidge"

17-11-2013 12:50am

Was wondering what Nidge was looking at there. He was trying to see if Moynihan would talk to Tommy. Have to say i like Ciaran the cop. Great addition to the show.

And that case Andrew was in was bigger and deeper then it first looked so i would believe the actor when he says he fitted in the grandest.

Lisha · 17-11-2013 12:52am

Poor Aido

nlgbbbblth · 17-11-2013 12:52am

Music substitutions for DVD releases of television series has been going on for years.

Sometimes all the music is released intact - e.g. Miami Vice and the region 2 sets of Quantum Leap.

Other times it's not (Grange Hill to name one)- but there's always a small print disclaimer on the back of the inlay which says "Due to contractual reasons some music edits have been made".

Keep your off-air copies.

Lisha · 17-11-2013 12:57am

Nidge's white teeth were a bit distracting

17-11-2013 1:00am

Lisha wrote: »

Poor Aido

We never thought we'd ever see the day that Aido would be rational or sensible or if he had it in him to even tell the truth and he shocked us with that little nugget.

Id be routing for Aido after that but i fear he'll go back down the dark road out of disillusionment with the world.

Question for anyone....Is the hot dental nurse in the Odlums flour ad baking with the kid? Looks fair like her

17-11-2013 1:05am

Just saying on the ROI soccer thread last night 'Elmo' (Andy Reid) was talking away to Anthony Stokes on the Ireland bench last night. Wonder did he make a donation to the prisoners fund?

DazMarz · 17-11-2013 1:07am

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Sometimes all the music is released intact - e.g. Miami Vice

Slightly off-topic here, but of all the television series ever released, no other series used popular music (of the time) more than Miami Vice, and it'd be impossible to imagine some of its most memorable scenes without certain pieces of music (driving through the city to Phil Collins's "In The Air Tonight" is one that stuck out in my mind). I don't think they could have released Miami Vice on DVD without the music; the outrage from fans would have meant it wouldn't have sold much at all!

OguchiOneywu · 17-11-2013 1:07am

Lisha wrote: »

Poor Aido

After Aido heard the news for some reason I thought he was going to go mental and attack Nadine. Would've been a reminder of how these people are considering he seems to have turned into a lovable teddy bear this season.

BuilderPlumber · 17-11-2013 1:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

Git was the third man on the grassy knoll If Aido and Elmo were given the job one thing for sure, the worlds most famous assassination would most certainly have never taken place.

True. If their attempt to clip Darren was anything to go by! I'd give the job to Lizzie somehow ... and I think we will be seeing more of her soon.

BuilderPlumber · 17-11-2013 1:10am

DazMarz wrote: »

Slightly off-topic here, but of all the television series ever released, no other series used popular music (of the time) more than Miami Vice, and it'd be impossible to imagine some of its most memorable scenes without certain pieces of music (driving through the city to Phil Collins's "In The Air Tonight" is one that stuck out in my mind). I don't think they could have released Miami Vice on DVD without the music; the outrage from fans would have meant it wouldn't have sold much at all!

True. I own the Miami Vice DVDs and clearly it is all the original music eg. Phil Collins in it. Love/Hate is the Irish equivalent to Miami Vice in more ways than one and the music used in the TV version should also be on the DVD version.

However, Miami Vice was a 1984-1989 TV show and maybe the licencing changes if a series released on DVD is 20+ years old? If DVDs were around in the 1980s and the series was then released on DVD, I am not sure what the story would have been.

BuilderPlumber · 17-11-2013 1:17am

roise2000 wrote: »

anyone watching the repeat tonight?

Yes, just watched it tonight again. Sets up season 5 nicely. I wonder what Fran and Nidge's relationship will be in season 5? Tommy will be crucial too. A hint that the old Tommy is slowly coming back is when he knew Nidge and the IRA had done a deal to get Darren clipped. I could not help but think when Tommy was lying semi-conscious he realised and remembered Nidge hit him. Perhaps, he realised it before he fell down? Perhaps that's what caused his bad turn?

Xavi6 · 17-11-2013 1:11pm

Watching Intermission for the umpteenth time. The scene where Gerry Lynch chases after a young drug dealer and his car gets stolen caught my eye in particular. I recognised the skanger immediately.

Guess who

Amazingfun · 17-11-2013 4:55pm

So I decided to watch "The Wire" since there was so much high praise and adulation for it on here, and also because many put down Love/Hate in relation to it.

Well, my verdict is : Love Hate is better.

I am bored by The Wire. I am almost at the end of season 2, and I can hardly stay tuned to be honest.

I wasn't bored by even one episode of LH.

Flame away, but this is my honest opinion, and frankly, I am surprised to feel this way.

BuilderPlumber · 17-11-2013 7:01pm

Amazingfun wrote: »

So I decided to watch "The Wire" since there was so much high praise and adulation for it on here, and also because many put down Love/Hate in relation to it.

Well, my verdict is : Love Hate is better.

I am bored by The Wire. I am almost at the end of season 2, and I can hardly stay tuned to be honest.

I wasn't bored by even one episode of LH.

Flame away, but this is my honest opinion, and frankly, I am surprised to feel this way.

I like The Wire but like you prefer Love/Hate. I think Love/Hate, along with Breaking Bad, was the best drug dealer series since Miami Vice. I like The Sopranos too but would consider this more a Mafia series although there is obviously crossover between these genres.

There hasn't been a bad episode of Love/Hate. All were either action packed or building up the tension and often both. The main stories like Darren's quest for revenge, Nidge's toppling of John Boy, the Fran v John Boy rivalry, Nidge's relations with the IRA/the Git/Dano situation, the cops cat and mouse game with Nidge and co, etc. have all been very well done. In addition to this, the side stories such as the Luke one from series 2, Dano's alcoholism in series 3 and the Noelie v Fran and dentist's struggle with finances in series 4 enhanced proceedings and were/will be nicely linked in with the main stories.

Rentens777 · 17-11-2013 7:02pm

this show is highly overated, that is all

moy83 · 17-11-2013 9:18pm

Rentens777 wrote: »

this show is highly overated, that is all

Fair play Rentens777 , tis a pity you didnt sign up sooner :rolleyes:

SimonTemplar · 17-11-2013 9:39pm

Less than an hour to go until tonight's episode...oh, wait

jos28 · 17-11-2013 10:27pm

It's been replaced by Room to Improve.

http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/6611/1/gift_room_to_improve

deise08 · 17-11-2013 10:48pm

I don't know what to do wit myself

Lisha · 17-11-2013 10:50pm

deise08 wrote: »

I don't know what to do wit myself

Sings song while imaging Dublin scenes in changing light and just general business

deise08 · 17-11-2013 11:01pm

Lisha wrote: »

Sings song while imaging Dublin scenes in changing light and just general business

I can see the montage now

17-11-2013 11:01pm

Finally caught up with this and I have to say that the most recent season just hasn't been as strong as previous ones. Hopefully the next season will be its last and the writers know when to finish things up.

Flippyfloppy · 17-11-2013 11:10pm

Any chance of not having to wait a year for season 5??? Petition anyone

18-11-2013 12:05am

Rentens777 wrote: »

this show is highly overated, that is all

No arguments or credible reasons as to why so or just another stab in the dark remark? :rolleyes:

18-11-2013 12:09am

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Any chance of not having to wait a year for season 5??? Petition anyone

I would say that the process of filming a series is not all that simple. Dont get me wrong i really felt its absence this week but lets be reasonable there is many factors to consider. Actor availability as well as the editing are considerable constraints. 12 months might be the soonest it can be done all things considered.

18-11-2013 12:16am

Amazingfun wrote: »

So I decided to watch "The Wire" since there was so much high praise and adulation for it on here, and also because many put down Love/Hate in relation to it.

Well, my verdict is : Love Hate is better.

I am bored by The Wire. I am almost at the end of season 2, and I can hardly stay tuned to be honest.

I wasn't bored by even one episode of LH.

Flame away, but this is my honest opinion, and frankly, I am surprised to feel this way.

I suppose it depends on whether your more inclined toward fast paced series or slow paced series. I just couldn't pick a favourite out of them. I love both. i certainly dont agree with those who think there is a massive gulf and that Love/hate is lagging.

I firmly believe this mindset is ingrained in us by a natural inferiority complex that Irish seem to have toward the US and certain other countries so therefore we automatically dismiss what we produce without any reasonable rationale for why we think this way. Also i think that for the financial constraints it faces that Love/hate is arguably better.

nlgbbbblth · 18-11-2013 12:24am

DazMarz wrote: »

Slightly off-topic here, but of all the television series ever released, no other series used popular music (of the time) more than Miami Vice, and it'd be impossible to imagine some of its most memorable scenes without certain pieces of music (driving through the city to Phil Collins's "In The Air Tonight" is one that stuck out in my mind). I don't think they could have released Miami Vice on DVD without the music; the outrage from fans would have meant it wouldn't have sold much at all!

Universal did the decent thing and coughed up the funds for the music clearances.

Iconic soundtrack - one of my favourites.

The Pontiac · 18-11-2013 12:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

I would say that the process of filming a series is not all that simple. Dont get me wrong i really felt its absence this week but lets be reasonable there is many factors to consider. Actor availability as well as the editing are considerable constraints. 12 months might be the soonest it can be done all things considered.

See, this is the problem right here.

Have a look at Danish TV - The Killing (Forbrydelsen) and Borgen. Some of the best TV from the last 10 years.. The Bridge is also half Danish.

Six episodes a season is a joke. Make it 10 or 12 and do it right - then sell it to the world. BBC bought all the aforementioned Danish dramas. Season 1 of The Killing was 20 episodes long..

The Irish inferiority complex and excuses drive me mad. "Actor availability" and "editing", my arsé. The TV licence payers deserve more!

18-11-2013 12:42am

The Pontiac wrote: »

See, this is the problem right here.

Have a look at Danish TV - The Killing (Forbrydelsen) and Borgen. Some of the best TV from the last 10 years.. The Bridge is also half Danish.

Six episodes a season is a joke. Make it 10 or 12 and do it right - then sell it to the world. BBC bought all the aforementioned Danish dramas. Season 1 of The Killing was 20 episodes long..

The Irish inferiority complex and excuses drive me mad. "Actor availability" and "editing", my arsé. The TV licence payers deserve more!

And what do you want Stuart Carolan to do?

He is already after given RTE a series that is giving them 1m viewers so its up to them to give the support but fact of the matter is that RTE have been cutting back if anything while the idiots tied themselves down to ridiculous contracts given to the likes Daithi o'Se and Derek Mooney. Your beef is with RTE and not Octagon or the writers.

Additionally should Tom Vaughan Lawlor or Killian Scott turn down a Hollywood movie role meantime just to suit the Love/hate creators?

Honest to god i do have to wonder about the type of people on this thread at times. They seem to think that filming a series is a simple process. You have time, money and people to think about. You cant just assume that all will be available. And Love/hate has actually sold well. Zulu and Netflix as well as the UK, Australia, Korea stations, buying the rights but constraints will remain in any country for any series regardless.

The more episodes i do agree with. Tbh 20 can be too much. The better US shows like Breaking bad and the wire have around 13 per season. I think for Love/hate an extra 2 or at very tops 4 would do the trick nicely.

As for inferiority complex, its simple economics. RTE pay extravagent wages to their cronies no doubt but in terms of competing with the megabucks US stations they are on a hiding to nothing.

The Pontiac · 18-11-2013 2:27am

Deleted User wrote: »

And what do you want Stuart Carolan to do? He is already after given RTE a series that is giving them 1m viewers so its up to them to give the support but fact of the matter is that RTE have been cutting back if anything while the idiots tied themselves down to ridiculous contracts given to the likes Daithi o'Se and Derek Mooney. Your beef is with RTE and not Octagon or the writers.

I wasn't talking about Stuart Carolan, I was talking about RTE. Obviously Stuart would take as many as he could get.

Additionally should Tom Vaughan Lawlor or Killian Scott turn down a Hollywood movie role meantime just to suit the Love/hate creators?

Jesus christ, give me a break. They weren't even heard of before this. Hollywood roles. LOL

Honest to god i do have to wonder about the type of people on this thread at times. They seem to think that filming a series is a simple process. You have time, money and people to think about. You cant just assume that all will be available. And Love/hate has actually sold well. Zulu and Netflix as well as the UK, Australia, Korea stations, buying the rights but constraints will remain in any country for any series regardless.

Read my previous post.

The more episodes i do agree with. Tbh 20 can be too much. The better US shows like Breaking bad and the wire have around 13 per season. I think for Love/hate an extra 2 or at very tops 4 would do the trick nicely.

There you go again. Why not 13 like The Wire, The Sopranos, The Killing. Oh, I forgot, we're Irish. Can't push the boat that much..

As for inferiority complex, its simple economics. RTE pay extravagent wages to their cronies no doubt but in terms of competing with the megabucks US stations they are on a hiding to nothing

Did you not read my previous post re. the Danish offerings? Denmark is not that much bigger than Ireland. Sometimes I wonder about the posters in this thread. Have a look on the front page of this forum.. It's Borgen and The Killing. Have you watched either?

18-11-2013 2:50am

The Pontiac wrote: »

I wasn't talking about Stuart Carolan, I was talking about RTE. Obviously Stuart would take as many as he could get.

Jesus christ, give me a break. They weren't even heard of before this. Hollywood roles. LOL

Read my previous post.

There you go again. Why not 13 like The Wire, The Sopranos, The Killing. Oh, I forgot, we're Irish. Can't push the boat that much..

Did you not read my previous post re. the Danish offerings? Denmark is not that much bigger than Ireland. Sometimes I wonder about the posters in this thread. Have a look on the front page of this forum.. It's Borgen and The Killing. Have you watched either?

Whats the point your trying to make about Denmark? Totally irrelevant. Denmark is Denmark and Ireland is Ireland. Does it cost cheaper to make a film in Denmark then Ireland? Are their actors in demand? Tom Vaughan Lawlor has got a bit of work in the UK on peaky blinders already, and the other cast are becoming more mainstream and getting more and more work. Previously both Darren and John Boy were kept busy with work in the UK and the States. Some of the actors reside in the US such as Jason Barry for example so it isnt always easy to get these guys to commit if other work shows up meantime.

Dont let your sense of ambition cloud any realism. Filming a tv series isnt like putting something up on youtube. It takes time to get it right. If they didnt take that time then we would have whingers queing up to have a go on this thread. As it is they are bad enough

Another thing is sometimes less is more.You cant stretch a series too much for the sake of it either. At a very stretch i would try 10 episodes but 8 is probably the perfect number.

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