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People from Northern Ireland are not British!

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  • #102
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    getz wrote: »
    her british passport says born in gibraltar,my british passport says born in sale,both are place names, gibraltar has its elected MPs in the UK parliment,so has sale and its EU MPs in england , all people from gibraltar have british passports but do not need them when coming to the UK,like scotland wales and northern ireland

    No, Gibraltar does not have any representation in the UK parliament.


  • #103
    wonton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    names can be so confusing, like what if an american indian moved to new delhi, than he'd be a indian-american indian.


  • #104
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    devlin69.jpg

    Well, I'm honestly not that patriotic.


  • #105
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Camelot wrote: »
    I agree, but sometimes when you hear a very prominent broadcaster making a 'categoricle statement' you prick up your ears!

    Right - We're in agreement. Pat Kenny makes very pratty statements.


  • #106
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    owenc wrote: »
    yes you are. good god. What about the indian ocean, why do the africans not make a fuss about that.:rolleyes:

    Eh, I don't actually give a fiddlers about the use of the British Isles comment. I was referring to the "we're all christians". I'm not a Christian.

    Also, I don't remember Africans being called a "Indian Ocean people".


  • #107
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Right - We're in agreement. Pat Kenny makes very pratty statements.

    I agree with dlofnep on this.
    People from N. Ireland are Irish as they were born on the Island of Ireland.
    If they associate themselves with British culture that’s their personal choice

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."


  • #108
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    More people identify themselves as Irish than British in Northern Ireland according to a new poll in Monday's Belfast Telegraph. Over 1,000 people were interviewed for the survey. A total of 42% of those surveyed told the pollsters they were Irish while 39% identified themselves as British. 18% saw themselves as Northern Irish.

    There Pat Kenny, up your hole! "Let the people sing" as the old ballad goes.


  • #109
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Whatever you all think you are going to keep saying people are Irish and it's going to end up in a row! Why do people in ni never do this but people down south do??


  • #110
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN18lJ_uE7Q


  • #111
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    owenc wrote: »
    Whatever you all think you are going to keep saying people are Irish and it's going to end up in a row! Why do people in ni never do this but people down south do??

    Thats a fair point

    People from the North dont have the same hang up about where they are born

    Only IMO


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  • #112
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Winty wrote: »
    Thats a fair point

    People from the North dont have the same hang up about where they are born

    Only IMO
    I only ask as this never happens here and everytime someone says their British they have a canary!


  • #113
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    karma_ wrote: »
    I'm not saying she's not British, I'm just clarifying what her nationality is.
    sure just as my nationality is mamucium,[latin for my place of birth]


  • #114
    sceptre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Assorted rubbish deleted from the tail end of this thread. Kindly remember the name of the forum in which you're posting when considering relevance. You should all know better. This thread looks like having a limited remaining life.

    /mod


  • #115
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.


  • #116
    Gaelic32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Gaelic32


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.


    Good point!


  • #117
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Irish people are intrinsically Irish wherever in Ireland they come from. Some may associate themselves with other countries because of family connections or because they like Opera. Some other country may pass a law stating that we are Russian or Chinese and provide passports that say that, but they are just bits of paper. Irish people remain intrinsically Irish, notwithstanding.

    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:


  • #118
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Who's this "we"? You can only speak for yourself. Not anyone else. If you choose to be British, then you are British. If someone else chooses to be Irish, then they are Irish. I'm not sure what the problem is.

    You might take a leaf out of Ian Paisley's book when he said: "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman".


  • #119
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Therein lies the problem, whether you like it or not you are Irish or if you prefer Northern Irish. This does not preclude you however from identifying yourself as British as you wish.


  • #120
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:
    did all the people of ireland consider themself british pre 1920 ?


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  • #121
    Exile 1798
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Exile 1798


    owenc wrote: »
    We can choose our nationality not you and if we say we are british then we are british nothing else.:rolleyes:

    Is there any other people apart from a certain backward segment of Northern Unionists who insist that they are nothing but British?

    Are there any English, Welsh or Scottish people who loudly insist that they are British and British alone? Obviously not.

    The "British only" school of Unionism is clearly an ill-conceived reaction to Irish Nationalism. Ironic that in the end it Irish Nationalism that is allowed to shape the identity of those who so loudly protest that it should be them and them alone that define themselves.


  • #122
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Under the consitution of Ireland, anyone from the 6 counties is Irish.

    Under the Bristish constitution, I presume anyone from the 6 counties is British.

    They are entitled to either an Irish or British passport.

    I'd say they're both. Or that they are whatever is stamped on their passport.


  • #123
    Exile 1798
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Exile 1798


    sdonn wrote: »
    Under the consitution of Ireland, anyone from the 6 counties is Irish.

    Under the Bristish constitution, I presume anyone from the 6 counties is British.

    They are both entitled to an Irish or British passport, in my understanding?

    I'd say they're both.

    Yes, post Good Friday Agreement people from the 6 Counties are entitled to an Irish passport, a British passport, or both. The lucky devils.;)


  • #124
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Exile 1798 wrote: »
    Yes, post Good Friday Agreement people from the 6 Counties are entitled to an Irish passport, a British passport, or both. The lucky devils.;)
    it would be ever better if all the UK and irish peoples could be entitled to be able to claim irish or brit passports


  • #125
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    getz wrote: »
    it would be ever better if all the UK and irish peoples could be entitled to be able to claim irish or brit passports

    What about just a European passport? Will we eventually see something like that?


  • #126
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    sdonn wrote: »
    Under the consitution of Ireland, anyone from the 6 counties is Irish.

    Under the Bristish constitution, I presume anyone from the 6 counties is British.

    They are entitled to either an Irish or British passport.

    I'd say they're both. Or that they are whatever is stamped on their passport.

    There is no British constitution.


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  • #127
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    getz wrote: »
    it would be ever better if all the UK and irish peoples could be entitled to be able to claim irish or brit passports

    well they arn't in the uk if it weren't for nationalists moaning they wouldn't be aloud an irish passport either, as they arn't living in the republic of ireland


  • #128
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    What about just a European passport? Will we eventually see something like that?

    I'm not getting that anyway!!:eek::eek:


  • #129
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    well they arn't in the uk if it weren't for nationalists moaning they wouldn't be aloud an irish passport either, as they arn't living in the republic of ireland

    You might get a better response sometimes owen if your posts didn't come across so argumentative.

    Besides that your wrong, it was always possible for those in NI to get Irish passports, before even the GFA.


  • #130
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    You might get a better response sometimes owen if your posts didn't come across so argumentative.

    Besides that your wrong, it was always possible for those in NI to get Irish passports, before even the GFA.

    Yes but if nationalists didn't moan then you wouldn't be aloud an irish passport, in that case scottish people should be aloud an scottish passport.


  • #131
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    owenc wrote: »
    well they arn't in the uk if it weren't for nationalists moaning they wouldn't be aloud an irish passport either, as they arn't living in the republic of ireland

    And that was the crux of the issue - you do not need to live in the south to be Irish. If you are born anywhere on this Island - you have the right to be Irish. Their gripe was valid. I've no doubt that if you were refused the right to hold a British passport, then your "moaning" as you put it - would be perfectly reasonable in your eyes.

    I feel like I'm arguing with a 12 year old sometimes with you. You lack any basic understanding of the situation.


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  • #132
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    Yes but if nationalists didn't moan then you wouldn't be aloud an irish passport, in that case scottish people should be aloud an scottish passport.

    There is no independent Scotland in fairness, where there I would suspect something along similar lines would exist. Would you really want to force all the folk in NI to choose to be British or else, or would you afford them the same privilege of being able to decide as you yourself expect?


  • #133
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    karma_ wrote: »
    What about just a European passport? Will we eventually see something like that?
    .that is their intention,www.eutruth.org.uk but to be honest at this moment there is more chance of the EU letting the non paying their way countries go, than getting any political ideals


  • #134
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    getz wrote: »
    .that is their intention,www.eutruth.org.uk but to be honest at this moment there is more chance of the EU letting the non paying their way countries go, than getting any political ideals

    very few people will get that.


  • #135
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Exile 1798 wrote: »
    Is there any other people apart from a certain backward segment of Northern Unionists who insist that they are nothing but British?

    Please see post #107

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."


  • #136
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Winty wrote: »
    Please see post #107

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."

    To be fair to big Ian he mellowed out big time in the last few years.


  • #137
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Winty wrote: »
    Please see post #107

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."

    I don't mean to be rude but are you people going to use that phrase everyday!!


  • #138
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude but are you people going to use that phrase everyday!!

    So do you denounce that you are Irish? People from England have no problem in calling themselves English. Scotland, Scottish. Wales, Welsh. So why can you not call yourself Irish? I mean, if the hardlined Mr. Ulster says No can call himself Irish - then surely there is hope for OwenC.


  • #139
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude but are you people going to use that phrase everyday!!

    Maybe a better question would be to ask what it is about Irishness you find so offensive?

    Believe me when I tell you this, but there may come a time in a few years when you have grown up a bit and your travelling around the world that you might find being Irish has plenty of benefits.;)


  • #140
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude but are you people going to use that phrase everyday!!

    OK

    I just think it ends the debate, If a man like Paisley see's himself as Irish !!


  • #141
    Exile 1798
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Exile 1798


    Winty wrote: »
    Please see post #107

    Ian Paisley once said

    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."

    I'm very familiar with that quote. But how does it contradict anything I said?

    We know for a fact that "I'm British and that's all" Unionists exist, in fact I was responding to one in this very thread who said that very thing.

    Historically Unionists identified very much as Irish. As I said, it was the ascendancy of Irish Nationalism that gave rise to the reactionary element of Northern Unionists that reject any notion that they are Irish. To be clear, it's their right to do so, just as it is our right to point out how ridicules they appear.


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  • #142
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    Im amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has....pat kenny??? who cares what he says.

    Im a northy by the way and i class myself as irish.


  • #143
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    dlofnep wrote: »
    There is no British constitution.

    There's a doctrine - it was referred to endlessly during the recent elections.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom


  • #144
    Euro_Kraut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    Jaysoose wrote: »
    Im amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has....pat kenny??? who cares what he says.

    The length of the thread has been helped enormously by posters popping in tell others that they no interest in the topic.


  • #145
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    karma_ wrote: »
    To be fair to big Ian he mellowed out big time in the last few years.

    That quote was, apparently, recorded in the Sunday Life newspaper on 23rd June 1991, page 12: http://1169andcounting.blogspot.com/2003_04_27_archive.html


  • #146
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    The length of the thread has been helped enormously by posters popping in tell others that they no interest in the topic.

    hehe. :)


  • #147
    Jaysoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    The length of the thread has been helped enormously by posters popping in tell others that they no interest in the topic.

    Twice...oh damn.

    Damn you PK>>>


  • #148
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude but are you people going to use that phrase everyday!!


    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."

    - Ian Paisley, June 1991.



    Now, if only you could find a quote with Gerry Adams or John Hume saying they are "British".


    ....


  • #149
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    "I would never repudiate the fact that I am an Irishman."

    - Ian Paisley, June 1991.

    Now, if only you could find a quote with Gerry Adams or John Hume saying they are "British".....
    I have heard it attributed to Martin McGuinness (I think by Sam Smyth) that he once said he was British, whether he liked or not. It was pre GFA so presumably he meant there was no formal way for him to assert (under British rule), his identity as Irish and not British


  • #150
    Plowman
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  • #151
    Rebelheart
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    Plowman wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    A most interesting poll result.


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