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Comic Creator Challenge

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Good stuff! In fact, another idea I'm curious about is for anyone with the means to document how they make their comic (the idea arising chiefly from looking at Sgraffito's entries and wondering how she makes her pieces look so unique).

    So anyone who wants to, feel free to make notes/take pictures/make scans of rough work and send them onto me as well as your entries. We could have a little "Making of" section to complement the entries. If nothing else, it's a novelty, and it would give people a chance to pick up ideas/attempt to steal a given style more easily ;)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    For the comedy value, my progress so far includes :
    • writing a script for a 6-8 page comic;
    • doing rough layouts/drafts of the first 5 pages;
    • getting somewhat annoyed and the script in question;
    • writing another 6-8 page comic script that serves as a prequel to the original script (the prequel involving significant use of colour, just to add to the jolliness of it all).

    At this rate I wont have a comic to show for it, but I may well have the makings of my own extended GN series by the time the deadline rolls around...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    My process is completely undisciplined. I'll sometimes start by writing a script, but usually by the time I've finished the pictures, I'll completely re-write it for the finished frames. More often, though, I'll mull the idea over for days - sometimes weeks if I have the luxury of no deadline - and then one day I'll decide it's time I drew something. By now, I'll probably have the entire opening sequence framed and layed out (layouted??) in my mind, probably as much as a page, rarely more than two pages. I might also have the last sequence sort of generally roughed out (mentally), though if they aren't wuite that solidly shaped in my mind, I'll thumbnail the page a couple of times until I'm happy. As a consequence the first pencils are usually done and dusted in a matter of a few minutes.

    The next pages might take a half-hour each as I try to keep the pace up without losing story. These days I don't necessarily block the page out until I have all the drawings done, then I scan them in at 100 dpi.

    These are pencils, remember. Not very black in the blacks. So I tweak the contrast and brightness until I get definite line definition, which usually introduces paper artefacts that I'll want to get rid of, and sometimes the rubbed-out areas show through. Every once in a blue moon, these shades might enhance the picture or point out something I hadn't noticed on the paper and I'll use this - the Golden Floaty Guy in my last Challenge entry was only gold because the paper had a yellow tinge, for example. Otherwise, I'd planned a full-colour costume. I'm happier with the gold.

    Now comes the smudgy finger. A lot of re-working in the lines, re-texturing and shading goes on now before I bump it up to 300 dpi (600 for big pictures that I feel deserve the attention) for the fine-tuning and layering. About now I'll have the page layout in mind and can start to segment the page. This way, I know which parts of the figures are going to be off-frame and can choose not to work them too seriously.

    I clean up the edges and start cutting out the figures and their clothing, recolouring them individually with a quick HUE-SATURATION, linking layers of the same colours so I don't have to keep remembering the settings. Now the figures go into their frames and I start trimming and angling them with relation to each other and their background (which is usually just a jumble of lines at this stage).

    With a page layed out and boxed, I might start putting in the text now or, more usually, I'll add that in on each frame as I go (I choose not to outline my boxes and baloons as I don't believe it's necessary and, in my view, separates the text from the image far more than is strictly necessary), in which case now I'll be thinking about the first re-writies as I work on the backgrounds. If it's buildings, I'll use the sketched perspective lines and convert them into shapes, often abandoning the original pencils altogether when I've finished, and using the pen or air-brush to add textures. For anything more detailed, I'll treat the pencils in exactly the same way I do the figures.

    In proud sledgehammer-to-walnut fashion, I'll sometimes turn to 3D Studio Max to provide background perspective in locations that are going to be re-used often enough to justify it. These won't usually be detailed Max images, just your basic blocks and cylinders, life's too short, but they'll provide reference points for relative positions of things and perspective lines from various 'camera angles'. Again, depending on the time involved, I'll sometimes include figures or objects from Simply 3D or DAZ Studio or Poser to provide guidelines for positioning things in this 3D world. I stress I don't use the actual figures (except once, but I was in a real hurry) or objects (unless I design them completely myself) as I have at least that much pride in my own work. I think I used MAX for a logo a couple of times, as well, but there wasn't any real need. I just felt like trying it.

    Occasionally, if detail is important, I might start a picture with a detailed pencil background, sketching in roughly where each character goes and then, after I've worked on the figures separately, I'll include them as their own layers.

    The speech bubbles come from the default shapes unless there's a specific design I have in mind. No need making work for yourself. I'm using Simpson as the basic lettering font for all the dialogue at the moment. Sometimes, if the mood takes me, I'll try to colour the bubble and the speech in a manner appropriate to what is being said.

    Finally, I get around to doing the logo. This can take hours, cos it's usually a bit of fun trying out a load of different styles and colours. I usually end up with about twenty usable versions of more-or-less the same thing, depending on which program I use.

    As with anything, rushing the job shows in the finished work. But I'm dreadful for leaving things till the last possible minute, so I don't usually devote as much time as I should to each picture (the 24Hour challenge might test me on that quite vigorously), but I'll lavish attention on my favourites, often reworking (particularly) faces until I'm happy that they look like they're saying either what they're saying or what they're thinking.

    Then I save the big files, flatten the image, render down to 120 dpi and sent it to you.

    Anything for a laugh;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    You can probably tell from the foregoing that my biggest problem is keeping the story SHORT ENOUGH!!

    (Can't "over-writing" be a skill too???)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Over-writing is not only a skill, but it's apparently the bane of many an artist's life - apparently some scripts can be so detailed and meticulous that there's no room left for the artist to exercise their own flair and make the page and panels work in the best way. (Another example is writers who cram too much dialogue into a panel or even a page, meaning that the artist can either draw lush panels which are then obliterated by text, or not bother and leave crappy looking drawings and lots of room for the text.)

    Not much of an issue if you're illustrating your own scripts though - I'm certainly partial to the over-scripted dialogue part, to the extent that I've sometimes had to double the number of panels in a comic to properly accomodate the dialogue.

    (Progress so far :
    • 2 pages of artwork and rudimentary colouring complete
    • 3rd page at the inking stage
    • rough storyboard of pages 4-8 (possibly 9) done
    • complete script done
    Considering my normal progress with these things, and the fact that I've already prepared another 8-page black & white "sequel" along with storyboard, I'm quite happy so far. No doubt my scanner will explode or something at some point to re-establish the normal balance of things.)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Right.

    I've now got 7 entries including my own (was slightly delayed in its completion, but there you go) and I'll be working on the site update tonight. Hopefully it will be up tonight, but it should definitely be up by the weekend. I'll post up when it's done.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Round 4 is now online.

    Round 5 will run during September and October (I'm thinking a provisional deadline of 31st October to give a bit of slack for those people - myself included :D - who want to take part in 24 hour comic day on the 7th).

    I think we should go ahead with the picture-theme for Round 5, though I've not yet found a picture that struck me as being the perfect starting point. If anyone has any suggested photos, send them to me and I'll post an update by the 8th of September.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Whos oisin roche and how can i get in touch with him?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I don't have any info on him other than an email address; I'll check if he minds it being given out and let you know as soon as I hear back from him. Bloody good entry though, wasn't it? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Twas, im looking for an artist for a graphic novel we are working on and i have people from the states interested but i'd rather look closer to home


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Just an FYI - anyone who wants to link to the site for the challenge can use www.irishcomicchallenge.com now that I've registered the address. Bear in mind that it may take another few hours for the address to go fully live as I've only finished getting it set up this morning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    I jus' had a crazy idea, as a result of reading this:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054985564

    Perhaps this month's Comic Challenge could be from last month's Photo Challenge, if they're agreeable.

    (Do we talk to photographers?? I don't see it in the guidelines.)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Do you know, that sounds really clever. Would save all the hassle of finding suitable photos and making sure we have the rights to use them. I'll PM rymus and find out what the deal is. Thanks for the suggestion :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    i suppose we could start talking to photographers.

    we could either take the best pic for all, or if they have enough to give one entract each a photo of their own to work with


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Right.

    Sorry for the utter absence of any update on this, there's two possible reasons:

    a) I was off at a wedding and on holidays, or
    b) I was and still am crap

    Take your pick :D

    That being out of the way, the next challenge is going to run throughout the month of october. I'm going with the photo idea - I was going to use the last round's winner, but preferred another one and am wielding the Mighty Hammer of BecosISaySo.

    So. Theme and starting point for everyone is this picture. The only requirement is that the full picture has to feature, in some way, in the comic (ie a one-line reference to the picture or its contents will be viewed as naughty).

    Now get cracking!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 LucyR


    does the photo have to be photoy or can we redraw it completely? (well... just draw it anyway)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I guess it'd be unfair to demand that the actual photo file be used in the comic, so yes, redrawing it is allowed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    Demmit, sir, you make it almost too easy! I'll just have someone shoot her. Job done. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    Ok mine is done and can be seen as usual on my devart page.

    Ladies and gentlemen I give you; 'Pigeon Lady'

    http://theimpossibles.deviantart.com


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    tee he he. nice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    thumbninja wrote:
    tee he he. nice!

    thanks thumb, now where was that brain on 24 hour comic day? hehe


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Just a reminder folks : the deadline for the current round is tomorrow, so get to finishing your entries if (like me) you're a bit crap about deadlines and haven't finished yet, then mail them on to me :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 LucyR


    tonight's sleep quota is being eaten into to get this damned thing done.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    This seems to have fallen off the map to an extent - usually by now I'd have had at least a couple of entries but, other than the Shades' entry I've not had any comic work submitted other than my own. Just for reference - who has a comic complete or near completion that they want to send in for this round?

    (If nothing else I think that nips the idea of a photographic theme/starting point; I like the idea of challenges, but not if they put everyone off actually taking part!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 LucyR


    mine's all scanned and such, chocolate stains cleared up, title decided upon. Just have the sep's left to do, and emailing them then. So tired


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    have all the background work done for teh zombie killer pigeons strip, sadly only one panel is actually done, might get it finished for thurs if i set aside some time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    fysh.. comic sent. check your messages ..

    *runs and hides*


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Oh good lord. Thumbninja, you'll pay for this. DON'T THINK YOU WON'T PAY!

    (Got to admit that I laughed at it though :))


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    Fysh wrote:
    (Got to admit that I laughed at it though :))


    woohhooo Written admission! I'm safe now :cool:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Sorry bout this guys, there are 4 entries so far (and maybe one more) but due to disorganised-ness on my part, I haven't had time to update the site and won't be around for another week. I'll post up when I've done the updates.

    Meanwhile, what theme shall we go for in Round 5? I think the photo theme didnt work out, so I suggest back to simple words/phrases. Starting date will be sometime in the first week of december, with a month to produce the comic (ie submissions on or around new years day).

    What say ye?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Jack B. Badd


    Whatever it is, let us hope it is "pun-tastic" or perhaps failing that, "phunt-tastic"!

    /me throws me arms to the heavens in despair and invokes the Ginger God of Hurting Bad People Who Make Bad Jokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    With a deadline like that is it possible to resist a Christmas comic? Anyone who knows my work of old knows I find them impossible to resist!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭tba


    "The Gift"


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    Whatever it is, let us hope it is "pun-tastic" or perhaps failing that, "phunt-tastic"!

    /me throws me arms to the heavens in despair and invokes the Ginger God of Hurting Bad People Who Make Bad Jokes
    you should be shot, repeatedly, in the face, AFTER i mangle the pun queen himself.


    Christmas comic could be entertaining fun, or we could run two interchangable themes, or some sort of way you COULD, if you felt you must, avoid a chrismtassy strip


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Hmmm, I like the notion of a theme that can tie into Christmas, though I still feel I'm never going to out do the Bear Christmas comic..."The Gift" sounds good so far, but keep them suggestions coming, folks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    Avoid a Christmassy strip? Are you mad? It's impossible even at my laziest I've felt guilty about not doing one!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Right.

    At long bloody last, Round 5 is online. December 1st is the new starting point for Round 6, I'll post up again to confirm the theme and deadline.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Argh. With stuff and whatnot, forgot to post last week. Round 6 is underway, theme is "The Gift". Deadline is around 31st of December. Get drawing, folks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    humm. what suitably dodgy thing can I make this time... :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I don't know, but a bastard/lovechild wrapped in christmas paper would certainly make me laugh...(hmmm, wonder if I can use that?)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    dude.. I told you last week when you showed up at the door in nothing but a ribbon.. I'm not opening any presents til Christmas!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Look, it's not my fault that your present is..."perishable", shall we say. (Certainly it would be in the context of standing on a cold doorstep wearing only a bow). Your loss :P

    (oh lord, like so many other things, this thread was in contact with me for but a short time and has become corrupted...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    I'm only reading this and already I feel dirty!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    OK. My comic is pretty much done and dusted, and I have had one other submission. :| If anyone is working on something to submit under the subject "The Gift", let me know and I'll hold off updating for a bit (as if I ever do it on time anyway :P). Otherwise, we need to start talking about the next theme.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    I've got one.. and is dodgy as ever.. so feel free to ignore my entry :p


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Hehe, so long as it's not as dossy as your 24-hour comic it's all good :P

    As for themes....well, I went and looked at the 24 Hour comic page and got "Civilized Anger". Any other suggestions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    you'd think with the (lack of) work I put in it would be done by now. but once again letting work and socialising come in the way of hobbies :p

    meanwhile.. try something like this lil guy.. the random phrase generator

    I got "fetid darkness" "swamps of pavement" "determined dawn"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭thumbninja


    check yer messages.

    unoriginal and lazy - it's a style choice :p

    *looks worried* have I mentioned I've not done lifedrawing in 8 years?! comics are dumb anyway *skulks off*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭the Shades


    *stands at the front and shuffles one foot nervously on the floor. scratches his head*

    Ok so I had this idea for a story and I was all ready to go, but it tied into what I wanted to do with this years project and for it to work it would have been a flash forward because I got this really good idea that I want to use as my starting point and then I got another idea and I kept on meaning to draw it but it was only a one pager and eh... I kept distracting by my year long project and ummm... yeah so I don't have anything...

    *fumbles around in his pocket and pulls out a sticky fuffy sweet*

    I did find this on the floor of my Mom's car though!

    *smiles lamely*

    hehe... sorry!

    *drops head and walks off*


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭Briony Noh


    thumbninja wrote:
    check yer messages.

    unoriginal and lazy - it's a style choice

    More to the point, sounds like the subject for the next Challenge to me. (The 'unoriginal and lazy' bit, not the 'it's a style choice' bit - just to clarify. Although ...)


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