Intermittant Fasting

Chancer3001 wrote: »

mufcboy, go to youtube and search the hodgetwins.

they answer that exact question. They have a lot of videos on IF. Great for a very very basic intro.

iv seen that they started up a separate IF channel, must give their videos more of a watch.

i just want to know can it be done bulking or would it be a waste of time?

muffinn wrote: »

It can be done. I've posted my progress pic on page 3.

Don't expect to get huge in short amount of time. It's good if you prefer steady progress in lean body mass with minimal fat gain.

The only thing I could think of that would be inconvenient while bulking, is the amount of food you would have to eat in relatively short amount of time. But that also depends on your caloric requirements.

you can really see the gains on the shoulders and back, well done buddy huge improvement.

currently maintaining atm myself after finishing a bulk where i was around 9 % bf at 72kg to 13.2 % at 78kg, bit of a fat gain and loss of abs but serious change up top chest,shoulders, traps and arms have gained a lot of size and strength.

im just worried because id have 8 hours to consume at least 3500 calories which is my requirement. Im an ecto/meso, I struggled to take in 3500 cals daily so an 8 hour window is going to be very tough but a 16 hr fast and an 8 hour eating window daily, this is how it works right ?

And in terms of a hgh increase how have you felt? i heard the hodgetwins comparing the diet to that of a caffeine effect in terms of energy etc, they said they could literally feel the effects of the nutrients from the food lol.

muffinn wrote: »

You may feel kind of tired and less energetic for the first couple of days on IF, but once your body gets used to it you will be fine.

My training was either in fasting state or on BCAA's and you actually feel full of energy during your fast period and in the gym but I'd say its more because of elevated levels of catecholamines in your blood than HGH.

3500 kcal in 8h can be hard if your diet has loads of carbs in it. If you can reduce some carbs in favour of fat you should be grand.

EDIT: You would be surprised how much you can eat in one sitting after heavy lift gym session if you have fasted for 16-18h

I'd say give it a go for a week and see how it goes.

ye id expect to be on a bit of a downer for the first few days alright. It would be a total flip to what i was doing in eating 6 meals throughout the day including a weight gainer which i supplemented to my diet for convenience. Baiscally I was on the seafood diet (eat anything i see ) which was very high in carbs, fats and protein but it worked for me aswell as explain my rise in body fat .

I was thinking of going the low carb route but i find it hard when bulking, grand when cutting as getting more defined spurs me on but especally coming from an ecto's point of view when bulking the likes of a high carb mass gainer made things so much easier because my appetite is terrible. I could litrally fast no problem, it was the eating i found the hardest so this 8 hour window is going to be challenging to say the least.

but look il give it a shot, wont be starting my next bulk till september so il start on it then and see how i get on. Cheers for the help , appreciate it.

Ant11 wrote: »

Singlesnights when you were doing your fasting above, after your 24 hour fast did you try and fit all you calorie needs into your 3 hour window or what did you do?. We say for argument sake your intake was 2000cals. Did you eat all of this in your 3 hours??

No, I didn't really pay any attention to any 3 hour windows or anything like that.

I just made sure not to overeat when I did resume eating. A key part of this is chewing your food very, very slowly. After a fast, food tastes SO good so I think it's important to enjoy every morsel, rather than wolf down loads cookie-monster style!

In short, there was nothing scientific about the way I did it. I simply used it as a way to significantly decrease my calorie intake and I found it a very easy way to lose weight.

Hope that helps.

Paul

Dathai wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAX94eA2zrA

Right, I'm potentially derailing the thread but is that the correct form for deadlifting with a rounded back? I've never looked into much it but I've read somewhere (cant't remember) aslong as the spine doesn't move it's ok to lift like this? It looks like there's spinal movement going on on & when he locks out he's excessively hyperextending, is this a recipe for disaster? Still impressive though!! Views?

My back hurts watching this & the music scared my cat!!!

I'm thinking of starting intermittent fasting next week. My goal is to cut down on my body-fat -- I'm not fat but I would like to get down to a decent body-fat %. I have been maintaining a deficit of around 750 for the last 3 days and I feel I would be able to do this more easily if all my calories are being consumed in a 6 hour period.

I just have one question. In terms of fat loss, is calories out > calories in all that really matters, or are the macros very important? I've only been taking calories into consideration since I've started the deficit and have taken no notice of my macros.

GASMANN wrote: »

Chancer3001 wrote: »

exercise while in the fasted state seems to be quite good for you. Theres a good bit written on it on the leangains site afaik

Yeah I know but from what I've been able to find out your meant to come out of fast after exercise, I'm asking would staying fasted for a further 5/6 hours after a session have a negative effect.

I'm not sure about negative effect on your body. You may find it ok but the next person would hate it. I think you will just have to try it and see how it goes, you will know yourself after a week or 2 if it's suitable for you.

For the last 2 weeks I've started training fasted at 6:30am and have waited till 12/1 to break my fast and it didn't bother me at all nor effect my lifts. This week I've decided to move my window to 10:30/11 as I don't want my window to run that late into the evening. I find training in mornings more beneficial for burning body fat, which is my goal.

Before this I was training in evenings so I was doing the pre-workout meal. I found I was full when training but I still had a good sessions. I would come home from gym about 7pm n have my PWO but I found it hard to take that much in and find it a lot easier to have my PWO earlier in the day so my evening meals are smaller. Again this is my preference.

As you can see I've played around with IF to see what suited me, I tried different eating windows and different training times etc. So after all that waffle my advise is to try it and see what you think and make your own decision. If its having a negative effect on your body you will probably notice it or feel different or maybe it will effect your lifts etc. similarly you will notice if it's having a positive effect too.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

"your meant to come out of fast after exercise"

its not neccessary no according to few things ive read anyways.

Leangains does mention a number of different options depending on the time you train. Not everyone will be able to train fasted. It would be very difficult if you trained at 6pm and eat nothing all day and then try to consume all your calories PWO to whatever time you go to bed.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

RobAMerc wrote: »

I may be wrong on this one but I thought it was very beneficial to get large amounts of protein into you directly after training and thats why we all take pwo shakes no ?

Therefore training fasted and remaining fasted is a no no ?

No one is suggesting training fasted and remaining fasted.

RobAMerc wrote: »

GASMANN wrote: »

Yeah I know but from what I've been able to find out your meant to come out of fast after exercise, I'm asking would staying fasted for a further 5/6 hours after a session have a negative effect.

Ant11 wrote: »

No one is suggesting training fasted and remaining fasted.

Is that not what's being asked here ?

Sorry I think I read your post wrong, yeah that's what gasmann was asking but none of us were saying that's what he should do. From Leangains he does say if you were to workout 6/7am to have bcaa's before n after workout n then break the fast 12ish so technically that could be about 4 hours after workout.

Gasmann wants to do it a bit differently as he runs early in morning n then wants to break his fast at lunch time but then weight train in the evening so he asked would it be counter productive doing that.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

one I watched recently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXLqmqBzeU&playnext=1&list=PLD7EA4B39BF6A55DC&feature=results_video

the importance of not eating pwo.

*readies for controversy*

interesting..been looking at a few of these guys vids..all good info..

i normally have a whey protein shake shortly after a workout and then food between 1-3hours after the shake. im gonna give this a bash tomorrow.. gonna wait a few hours to have food after the workout