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Tragic yet worrying scenes in waterford last night

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  • #152
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Ranchu wrote: »
    You have vague details of this story. You're pleased this lad is dead and you're worried about scrotes on the street? I'd be worried about something else if I was you.

    I look forward to this elobaration


  • #153
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Please put forward a version of events that would be more plausible at this moment in time

    Speculation versus speculation?


  • #154
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Zulu wrote: »
    I'm no big city lawyer, but it's worth remembering that assault is the intent to cause bodily harm.

    All I know is that he choose to terrorise an innocent family in the middle of the night. Was confronted by the father. Fled like a coward. Injured himself on railings while fleeing. And is now dead.

    ...and there are some that are morally outraged we don't find that tragic; that we don't sympatise with this thug. :rolleyes:

    Not so much this, rather people seem to be getting some sort of satisfaction that this lad died. There seems to be a distinct reveling in the fact that this guy "got what he deserved".

    I don't agree that death is what someone deserves for doing what he and/or his pals were allegedly doing.


  • #155
    TheDoctor
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    I think its clear across the two threads I have seen on this topic the majority have no sympathy for this case.


  • #156
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I've tried and tried and I simply cannot remember that time in my youth where me and a gang of lads went to throw bottles at the police. Funny that.

    There's plenty of types of anti-social behaviour. The sneering on this thread, for instance.


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  • #157
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Please put forward a version of events that would be more plausible at this moment in time

    Im not in the business of speculating on events I couldnt possibly have witnessed. Im curious how someone can be killed running away from someone who has just confronted them and nobody seems interested in questioning what happened.


  • #158
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    old hippy wrote: »
    Speculation versus speculation?

    So no more plausible explanation then. Noted


  • #159
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I think its clear across the two threads I have seen on this topic the majority have no sympathy for this case.

    The mob has spoken.


  • #160
    Ranchu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Ranchu


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I look forward to this elobaration

    You know very little about what actually happened but are quick to jump to a conclusion where a young life has been lost. One person in this situation is a definite scrote.


  • #161
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    old hippy wrote: »
    There's plenty of types of anti-social behaviour. The sneering on this thread, for instance.

    Circle-jerking. Moral high ground, high horse blah blah blah


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  • #162
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    So no more plausible explanation then. Noted

    Oh I have a few but it's just speculation. Enough of that going on without me clogging up this car crash of a thread with more.


  • #163
    TheDoctor
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    old hippy wrote: »
    The mob has spoken.

    Common sense prevails


  • #164
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    So no more plausible explanation then. Noted

    "You refuse to use complete speculation and hyperbole to challenge my complete speculation and hyperbole? Great. I win!"


  • #165
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    old hippy wrote: »
    Oh I have a few but it's just speculation. Enough of that going on without me clogging up this car crash of a thread with more.

    Good bye, your contribution has been noted


  • #166
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    "You refuse to use complete speculation and hyperbole to challenge my complete speculation and hyperbole? Great. I win!"

    Quotation marks? Therefore its a quote. Cant seem to find it though. Please point it out


  • #167
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    I think its clear across the two threads I have seen on this topic the majority have no sympathy for this case.

    Exactly nobody is rejoicing, or celebrating, we just don't care that a scumbag managed to kill himself escaping from a crime. There's a big difference between celebration and indifference. I care more about the minor injury to the Garda than the death of the deceased.


  • #168
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    old hippy wrote: »
    There's plenty of types of anti-social behaviour. The sneering on this thread, for instance.

    I could sneer all day on this thread and I would still be a better person than those who went out looking for trouble last night.


  • #169
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I could sneer all day on this thread and I would still be a better person than those who went out looking for trouble last night.

    Far better. Dont let the moral high horse fan girls tell you otherwise


  • #170
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Circle-jerking. Moral high ground, high horse blah blah blah

    I was referring to the sort who take pleasure in the death of a child.


  • #171
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    old hippy wrote: »
    I was referring to the sort who take pleasure in the death of a child.

    No child died here and no one is taking pleasure. Simply we dont care.


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  • #172
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I could sneer all day on this thread and I would still be a better person than those who went out looking for trouble last night.

    Would you agree if I said that this guy didn't deserve to die for what he and his friends were allegedly doing?


  • #173
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Good bye, your contribution has been noted

    You don't much care for people challenging you, do you?

    There's probably a lot more to this case than you or I are aware of. Have patience, Doctor.


  • #174
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    No child died here and no one is taking pleasure. Simply we dont care.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Would you agree if I said that this guy didn't deserve to die for what he and his friends were allegedly doing?

    Same question to you Doctor. You seem to be taking the most pleasure so i'll ask you.

    Would you agree if I said that this guy didn't deserve to die for what he and his friends were allegedly doing?


  • #175
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    No child died here and no one is taking pleasure. Simply we dont care.

    You care enough to crow about it, though. And 18 may officially be adulthood but don't kid yourself, he was just a boy.


  • #176
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Exactly nobody is rejoicing, or celebrating, we just don't care that a scumbag managed to kill himself escaping from a crime. There's a big difference between celebration and indifference.
    I think indifference entails saying nothing there chief, not coming onto the internet to tell us how you've no sympathy like some here have


  • #177
    TheDoctor
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    old hippy wrote: »
    You don't much care for people challenging you, do you?

    There's probably a lot more to this case than you or I are aware of. Have patience, Doctor.

    I do, if they have anything worth while to challenge on. So far all I've heard is circle jerking blah blah blah, high horse blah blah


  • #178
    LorMal
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    No I believe I would not have been. I also believe I would not have been throwing bottles at guards houses in the early hours in the morning either whether I was 8, 18 or 88.

    Agreed - I am sure you wouldn't, nor would I.

    But, you say you are glad he died and that you wish that all 4 had died.

    I think that is very sad.


  • #179
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    We used to do "knick-knacks" when we were kids, ring the crotchety neighbors doorbell and run away. Nobody was killed during the running away bit (I mean whats the odds?), if someone was it might have piqued a little interest...


  • #180
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    drumswan wrote: »
    I think indifference entails saying nothing there chief, not coming onto the internet to tell us how you've no sympathy like some here have

    Right though I shouldn't have to I'll explain this very simply.

    Onto the main page of the site I see an article about this incident in Dungarvan which I read about this morning being described as a "tragedy". I came here in wonder how this was the case.

    Because I questioned the title doesn't mean I care, I still don't,

    Understand chief?


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  • #181
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Would you agree if I said t...?
    Oh right, argument fails, and now you're looking for something to be appalled at, is it?

    Now that is pathetic!


  • #182
    bucketybuck
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Would you agree if I said that this guy didn't deserve to die for what he and his friends were allegedly doing?

    I would not have executed this man for his actions, no.


  • #183
    lighterman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    None of us can prove anything. If you think the media are making all of this up, why did you open the thread with a link to a media article?

    Please look at the context I posted that statement.Thanks


  • #184
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Zulu wrote: »
    Oh right, argument fails, and now you're looking for something to be appalled at, is it?

    Now that is pathetic!

    Wait, my argument hasn't failed at all. I merely asked a question.

    Out of interest, same question to you!


  • #185
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Right though I shouldn't have to I'll explain this very simply.

    Onto the main page of the site I see an article about this incident in Dungarvan which I read about this morning being described as a "tragedy". I came here in wonder how this was the case.

    Because I questioned the title doesn't mean I care, I still don't,

    Understand chief?
    This wasnt aimed at you - you didnt say you were indifferent, its clear you are enjoying yourself. You looking forward to the next death so you can come back and tell the internet how you dont care?


  • #186
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    drumswan wrote: »
    This wasnt aimed at you - you didnt say you were indifferent, its clear you are enjoying yourself. You looking forward to the next death so you can come back and tell the internet how you dont care?

    For someone so out raged by the speculation in this thread, the irony in this post is amazing


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  • #187
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    For someone so out raged by the speculation in this thread, the irony in this post is amazing
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Same question to you Doctor. You seem to be taking the most pleasure so i'll ask you.

    Would you agree if I said that this guy didn't deserve to die for what he and his friends were allegedly doing?

    Hi Doctor.

    I'm intereste din what your answer to this would be, if you'd like to answer? :)


  • #188
    Nino Brown
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    drumswan wrote: »
    This wasnt aimed at you - you didnt say you were indifferent, its clear you are enjoying yourself. You looking forward to the next death so you can come back and tell the internet how you dont care?

    This is a broader discussion than the death of this man, there was a Garda attacked, in his own home by a gang of criminals.
    If you don't think I should be in the thread, report it, but as long as I'm here I will continue to discuss my feelings, be they anger, joy, or indifference.


  • #189
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    For someone so out raged by the speculation in this thread, the irony in this post is amazing
    Im not outraged Doctor, I just think the keyboard warrior stuff is pathetic. Its a reflection of the same sort of bleating posters who spend their days whining about how afraid they are of teenagers wearing tracksuit bottoms in the city, cowering on the end of their internet connections cheering for a victory for the "good guys". Baaaa!


  • #190
    Octavianus
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭Octavianus


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Please put forward a version of events that would be more plausible at this moment in time

    Anything could have happened. I don't know and it's very clear you don't.
    He might have been there to terrorise and cause trouble along with his mates and probably was but we don't know.
    You've already judged this guy and deemed him guilty without any evidence whatsoever. That's extremely ignorant and small minded.


  • #191
    lighterman
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    This is a broader discussion than the death of this man, there was a Garda attacked, in his own home by a gang of criminals.
    If you don't think I should be in the thread, report it, but as long as I'm here I will continue to discuss my feelings, be they anger, joy, or indifference.

    A gang of criminals.Your not dramatizing it much or anything are ya.


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  • #192
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    Octavianus wrote: »
    Anything could have happened. I don't know and it's very clear you don't.
    He might have been there to terrorise and cause trouble along with his mates and probably was but we don't know.
    You've already judged this guy and deemed him guilty without any evidence whatsoever. That's extremely ignorant and small minded.

    The fact that he was in a such a hurry to get over a fence that he managed to kill himself would suggest that he thought he was guilty too.


  • #193
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    This is a broader discussion than the death of this man, there was a Garda attacked, in his own home by a gang of criminals.
    If you don't think I should be in the thread, report it, but as long as I'm here I will continue to discuss my feelings, be they anger, joy, or indifference.

    He wasnt in his home, he was outside, he went out to confront the yobs according to RTE. Breaking news are claiming it was a coincidence that they were there and that the house was a Gardas. One of the blokes was killed while fleeing, things are a million miles from the black and white picture you are dying to accept.


  • #194
    TheDoctor
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Hi Doctor.

    I'm intereste din what your answer to this would be, if you'd like to answer? :)

    Hello Mr. Stuffins, finally a direct question in between the s***e the rest are spouting.

    Did he deserve to die? - No, not for that. Though I do believe it is justified for serious crimes.

    Do I care he died - No, not at all.

    Do I care that someones home was attached in the middle of the night - Yes very much so.

    Am I getting "pleasure" from this - No, see how I feel about caring he died.


    Does that answer your question Mr. Stuffins?


  • #195
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hello Mr. Stuffins, finally a direct question in between the s***e the rest are spouting.

    Did he deserve to die? - No, not for that. Though I do believe it is justified for serious crimes.

    Do I care he died - No, not at all.

    Do I care that someones home was attached in the middle of the night - Yes very much so.

    Am I getting "pleasure" from this - No, see how I feel about caring he died.


    Does that answer your question Mr. Stuffins?

    It does indeed The Doctor. Thank you


  • #196
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    The fact that he was in a such a hurry to get over a fence that he managed to kill himself would suggest that he thought he was guilty too.

    I just face-palmed so hard I think I ruptured my eye socket!


  • #197
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I just face-palmed so hard I think I ruptured my eye socket!

    As long as you don't try to blame the Gardaí somehow, you have my sympathy.


  • #198
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    lighterman wrote: »
    A gang of criminals.Your not dramatizing it much or anything are ya.

    Just based on what they were doing last night, they are criminals, violent criminals. But lets wait and see what comes out in the next few days, I guarantee you this won't have been their first time!


  • #199
    TheDoctor
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I just face-palmed so hard I think I ruptured my eye socket!

    Self inflicted. No sympathy


  • #200
    drumswan
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    As long as you don't try to blame the Gardaí somehow, you have my sympathy.
    Do you think its worth investigating the chaps death?


  • #201
    Octavianus
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭Octavianus


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    The fact that he was in a such a hurry to get over a fence that he managed to kill himself would suggest that he thought he was guilty too.

    It suggests he was worried about being caught, not that he did anything.
    Again, he probably did but the fact that he ran does not prove he was guilty of anything.

    The first reports of this story suggested that the house was targeted because a member of the Gardai lived there but we now know that isn't true


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