Supplements

Amaru KGB · 16-10-2008 8:30pm

Pro-nutririon l go to the gym 2 days a week and play football twice a week aswell. In relation to supplements which would be better Pro-Matrix & or just big whey which I am currently taking.

Sorry if its a very general question but im not sure if I am getting the best out of my workout.

Cheers in advance

Pro-Nutrition · 16-10-2008 9:35pm

Amaru KGB wrote: »

Pro-nutririon l go to the gym 2 days a week and play football twice a week aswell. In relation to supplements which would be better Pro-Matrix & or just big whey which I am currently taking.

Sorry if its a very general question but im not sure if I am getting the best out of my workout.

Cheers in advance

Hi,I have to say I have used both and found both to be good. If I was to pick one now I would have to use the Matrix (Strawberry)

The Matrix has a time release system so that you have a constant supply of good protein, where as Whey is in and out of your system in something like 2-3 hours.

Pro-Nutrition · 16-10-2008 9:47pm

simoncc wrote: »

what would you rate as better than NO Explode ? I want to try that !

Simoncc, I would say that Explode is amazing because I use it and it works for me. I think its fair to say that what works for me may not work for you. I would from time to time stop taking Explode for say about 3-4 weeks just to give my system a break. Then I would try something else, I dont know if anyone would know of the Massacara from Olimp, well let me tell you. Its the bo****. Prior to training you make it up with warm water, (THATS REALLY THE SECERT)

let it cool down and drink roughly 30 mins before you train. Excellent

slingerz · 17-10-2008 8:50am

slingerz wrote: »

Is there any supplement to help lose weight while training and do they they? I recently suffered a bad injury that left me immobile for the past 8 months and my weight ballooned to 15st and I'm a 6ft guy!

Can anyone help with this query?

Rugby100 · 17-10-2008 10:48am

Use a fat burner with a protein as well like Ripped or Themox Lipoburn some these products take 2 a day and these should help your metabolisim quicken up. And help with some weight loss with hard training.

Rugby100 · 17-10-2008 10:51am

I used that Tornado and I play with some rugby lads and they are also using it now they have used both but reckon its better than the expolde a little bit more expensive though thats the only issue, I also know some comprimise rules guys will be using it as they have used it during the season gone by,

slingerz · 17-10-2008 6:39pm

Rugby100 wrote: »

Use a fat burner with a protein as well like Ripped or Themox Lipoburn some these products take 2 a day and these should help your metabolisim quicken up. And help with some weight loss with hard training.

Whats a fat burner? and where would I get this stuff?

Pro-Nutrition · 17-10-2008 10:12pm

slingerz wrote: »

Whats a fat burner? and where would I get this stuff?

Hi, A fat burner is a supplement that will speed up your metabolism and basically help you burn off any extra pounds, pure and simple. There are many on the market and I have to say a lot of them are over rated. Hydroxycut would be a good fat burner but over priced, with peeing of GEM check out my link below.Thats all I have to say on the matter or GEM will kick my sorry arse.:D

FearDark · 18-10-2008 2:07pm

Im training for the last 7 years, during the second year i had 3 months of pure creatine powder and whey protein (noticed huge improvements) and since then, 5 years ago I have taken nothing. Recently I bought Maximuscle Cyclone and Im wondering should I be taking something with it or is it good enough on its own to be as potent as creatine/protein mix?

Pro-Nutrition · 18-10-2008 2:24pm

FearDark wrote: »

Im training for the last 7 years, during the second year i had 3 months of pure creatine powder and whey protein (noticed huge improvements) and since then, 5 years ago I have taken nothing. Recently I bought Maximuscle Cyclone and Im wondering should I be taking something with it or is it good enough on its own to be as potent as creatine/protein mix?

Hey man, I am not going to mention any product name for fear of the guys kicking my arse

but there is a product out there that if you were to compare the ingredients it would be near enough the same as Maximuscle Cyclone and it works out about €10-15 cheaper.

g'em · 21-10-2008 8:49am

Lads, you can leave each other visitor messages on your profile if you want to continue the discussion. Posts deleted (they were messy lookin'!!).

slingerz wrote: »

did you get my pm man?

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

Hey, I replied to your message and I hope that its of use to you. Let me know. Sorry for the late response but I am having some trouble with my website at the minute so trying to get that sorted.

slingerz wrote: »

Ya no bother man but I also sent ya a PM with some more questions so if you could get a chance to answer some of those for me it would be great!!

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

I never got the PM you just sent

chicken_food wrote: »

i pm'ed you too pro-nut early this morning. Did you get that one?

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

Hey Slingerz. I sent you a reply, did you get it? Dont be afraid to drop me a mail with questions any time.

Riche670 · 22-10-2008 12:51pm

FearDark wrote: »

Im training for the last 7 years, during the second year i had 3 months of pure creatine powder and whey protein (noticed huge improvements) and since then, 5 years ago I have taken nothing. Recently I bought Maximuscle Cyclone and Im wondering should I be taking something with it or is it good enough on its own to be as potent as creatine/protein mix?

Don't you find cyclone sickeningly sweet?

I use it but I still take additional creatine, glutamine, and pure protein (whey) without carbs as a meal supplement. I don't use Cyclone as a meal supp as there is quite a lot of carbs in it, and I'd be getting sufficient carbs from my meal.

Also taking paleo greens and fish oils.

What kind of programme you doing? (purely out of interest).

jimmy15 · 27-10-2008 10:51am

FearDark wrote: »

Im training for the last 7 years, during the second year i had 3 months of pure creatine powder and whey protein (noticed huge improvements) and since then, 5 years ago I have taken nothing. Recently I bought Maximuscle Cyclone and Im wondering should I be taking something with it or is it good enough on its own to be as potent as creatine/protein mix?

All -in-one products are designed for convenience (stating the obvious I know but still worth stating). I have used cyclone and was not its biggest fan.

I prefer to take creatine and protein separately because:
(a) I have my favourite protein supplement (and its not maximuscle)
(b) I have my favourite creatine supplement (and its not maximuscle)
(c) I have greater control over each supplement, the amount of each I ingest, and when I take each
(d) I have, when combined with good training (the most important thing!!), had great results doing it this way.

My advice would be to stick with what works for me, and obviously for you in the past, and lose the all-in-one :-)

jimmy15 · 27-10-2008 10:53am

Sorry, meant to say guys, mods, everyone, that I love the fitness forum. Just joined up recently (I have been looking for a good forum for ages) and am really enjoying this one :-)

walktheline · 30-10-2008 7:53pm

USN Creatine X4 capsules with a whey protein work for me rather than a combo product like cyclone. I done stay on creatine all the time preferring to load for 6 weeks and then stop. The combo producs have you on it all the time and they are expensive. Creatine X4 capsules from www.usnireland.ie are good product and their whey protein tastes pretty good too.

legend1981 · 01-11-2008 1:20pm

can any one reccomend something bar lipo to shed those extra percentage of body fat..carido kills me if i do to much...and im an early morning gym person...which is hard

Pro-Nutrition · 01-11-2008 3:51pm

legend1981 wrote: »

can any one reccomend something bar lipo to shed those extra percentage of body fat..carido kills me if i do to much...and im an early morning gym person...which is hard

Cardio, what a pain but it has to be done. I try to get most of mine done with power walking. There are a couple of good products out there to help drop the extra couple of pounds, one of which is very popular in the Thermospeed from Olimp (cheap and good) or you could try the likes of hydroxicut but these are fairly pricey.

BaZmO* · 01-11-2008 7:23pm

Or you could just try eating less instead of trying a quick fix to shift the extra fat

FunkZ · 02-11-2008 5:39pm

The other day I bought two 150 capsule packets of Green Bulge Creatine. Three 5lbs of whey from TSFactory. Two bottles of 60 caffeine talbets, and a small tub of glutamine. I am quite happy!

Khannie · 03-11-2008 2:56pm

Just wondering what people take pre-workout? Are many taking glutamine? I make an isotonic / hypotonic drink myself (basically a pinch of salt and some mi-wadi).

I'm approaching time for buying more whey and considering glutamine as a possible addition for pre and post workout.

chicken_food · 05-11-2008 2:25am

Im taking cell-x by nutrionx and have really noticed a difference!! I would highly recommend it and bsn syntha 6.
They both taste great and work wonders. I might just post up some pre supplement photos and post (only started taking supplements recently)

Degsy · 05-11-2008 5:20pm

legend1981 wrote: »

can any one reccomend something bar lipo to shed those extra percentage of body fat..carido kills me if i do to much...and im an early morning gym person...which is hard

Eat fewer calories and you'll store less fat.
Or work out harder in the gym.

chatibula · 07-11-2008 12:34pm

This is a message from a girl that is trying to 1) lose weight, and 2) to be really fit (with strong but not huge muscles). At the same time, I work long hours .. so need some energy to survive..

I have been working out for the last 3 months; my main purpose is to lose weight and to be fit. I am going to the gym 5 times a week and due to the work out; I started to get tired more often. Looking for more healthy proteins… I started to take whey protein powder before going to the gym every morning ... (and after the gym I usually have 3 white eggs with vegs and a brown pitta bread) I am feeling more energetic... but I am worry about the calories and fat of the whey (and the strange things that some brands put in their products).

Base on my initial research, the best option (for less fat and healthy) is buying a whey protein powder isolate. Don’t really care whether the whey does not have flavors or not…I usually prefer mixing it with natural flavors (I blend it with some ice, strawberries and orange juice)

My questions are the following:
1. Why should I take the whey protein after the gym? Is ok to have it before it? As abovementioned, after the gym I usually have eggs…??
1. Which is the best whey protein isolate powder that is available - at a reasonable price? And where to buy it? I am buying for me and my husband so despite that we want quality, we still want to have money by the end of the month...
2. The best one that I could find (price and quality) is Powerhealth (from a company in the UK) .. do you have any comments and negative reviews in regards this whey label ... haven’t found many reviews on the web about this specific product
http://www.powerhealth.co.uk/products-detail.asp?cat1=16&cat2=68&productid=1601

3. What protein bar you recommend with less fat and calories (and where to buy it in Dublin) taking into account that I am focusing in loosing and maintaining the weight that i have lost and to build nice but no to big muscles?? I am planning to have as a snack a protein bar

4. As sometimes I am really busy in work for cooking .. I am thinking of start buying (only to use it some days) RTD (Ready to Drink) as Meal Replacements (to have a good mix of protein, carbs, fat that I need)… But 1) where I can buy this in Dublin? 2) I have been recommended the followings: Lean Body RTD Shakes or RTD from MetRx and Myoplex .. any comments on it?

Thanks for answering to all.. I am new in this fitness issues .. so my research have brought me some doubts that haven’t been able to be resolve in the web.. hope you can help:)

Khannie · 07-11-2008 12:46pm

Welcome to boards.ie

Took the liberty of cleaning that up a bit....

chatibula wrote: »

This is a message from a girl that is trying to 1) lose weight, and 2) to be really fit (with strong but not huge muscles). At the same time, I work long hours .. so need some energy to survive..

I have been working out for the last 3 months; my main purpose is to lose weight and to be fit. I am going to the gym 5 times a week and due to the work out; I started to get tired more often. Looking for more healthy proteins… I started to take whey protein powder before going to the gym every morning ... (and after the gym I usually have 3 white eggs with vegs and a brown pitta bread) I am feeling more energetic... but I am worry about the calories and fat of the whey (and the strange things that some brands put in their products).

Base on my initial research, the best option (for less fat and healthy) is buying a whey protein powder isolate. Don’t really care whether the whey does not have flavors or not…I usually prefer mixing it with natural flavors (I blend it with some ice, strawberries and orange juice)

My questions are the following:
1. Why should I take the whey protein after the gym? Is ok to have it before it? As abovementioned, after the gym I usually have eggs…??
1. Which is the best whey protein isolate powder that is available - at a reasonable price? And where to buy it? I am buying for me and my husband so despite that we want quality, we still want to have money by the end of the month...
2. The best one that I could find (price and quality) is Powerhealth (from a company in the UK) .. do you have any comments and negative reviews in regards this whey label ... haven’t found many reviews on the web about this specific product
http://www.powerhealth.co.uk/products-detail.asp?cat1=16&cat2=68&productid=1601

3. What protein bar you recommend with less fat and calories (and where to buy it in Dublin) taking into account that I am focusing in loosing and maintaining the weight that i have lost and to build nice but no to big muscles?? I am planning to have as a snack a protein bar

4. As sometimes I am really busy in work for cooking .. I am thinking of start buying (only to use it some days) RTD (Ready to Drink) asMeal Replacements (to have a good mix of protein, carbs, fat that I need)… But 1) where I can buy this in Dublin? 2) I have been recommended the followings: Lean Body RTD Shakes or RTD from MetRx and Myoplex .. any comments on it?

Thanks for answering to all.. I am new in this fitness issues .. so my research have brought me some doubts that haven’t been able to be resolve in the web.. hope you can help:)

BaZmO* · 07-11-2008 12:47pm

Nice first post. Although you might want to work on your editing skills.

chatibula · 07-11-2008 2:55pm

It was my first post ever.. sorry for the editing problems.. and thanks for khannie for fixing it..

Khannie · 07-11-2008 3:01pm

chatibula wrote: »

I am worry about the calories and fat of the whey (and the strange things that some brands put in their products).

Don't consider fat your enemy. Your body needs fats. You should be taking in a decent quantity of healthy fats every day.

chatibula wrote: »

Base on my initial research, the best option (for less fat and healthy) is buying a whey protein powder isolate. Don’t really care whether the whey does not have flavors or not…I usually prefer mixing it with natural flavors (I blend it with some ice, strawberries and orange juice)

You can find reasonably priced whey isolate here and here.

chatibula wrote: »

1. Why should I take the whey protein after the gym?

When you work out you put your muscles into a catabolic state (i.e. they start breaking down). Whey immediately after working out helps with recovery (it is absorbed quickly by your body). Most people would take some carbs in their PWO shake. G'em has a post near the start of this thread on PWO shakes.

chatibula · 07-11-2008 3:42pm

Thanks a mil.. for your quick reply

kevpants · 07-11-2008 5:41pm

Khannie wrote: »

Don't consider fat your enemy. Your body needs fats. You should be taking in a decent quantity of healthy fats every day.

Spot on. Anyway, it's quite clear font tags are your enemy...

darrenoneill33 · 08-11-2008 2:23am

http://www.maximuscle.ie/thermobol

what do ye think of these?

jbjwilliams · 09-11-2008 2:15pm

Looking also for isolate whey protein .. although, is possible to get Isolate whey protein Lactose Free or recomended for people with lactose intolerance? I think I am lactose intolerant ... What brand do you recomend? and where I can get it?
Thanks,

Degsy · 10-11-2008 8:15pm

darrenoneill33 wrote: »

http://www.maximuscle.ie/thermobol

what do ye think of these?

A load of overpriced crap..do some cardio instead!

RazorR · 12-11-2008 4:18pm

darrenoneill33 wrote: »

http://www.maximuscle.ie/thermobol

what do ye think of these?

Not the best. Get your diet right first, up your cardio and then use a good fat burner to help get really cut.

Degsy · 13-11-2008 6:18pm

RazorR wrote: »

Not the best. Get your diet right first, up your cardio and then use a good fat burner to help get really cut.

Whats a good fat burner?Since you cant get ephedra anymore there are no good legal fat burners.

louis626 · 16-11-2008 2:13pm

Any one got any opinions on whether I should go for Optimum Serious mass or BSN True Mass as im looking for a good quality gainer?:D

Esse85 · 16-11-2008 2:21pm

louis626 wrote: »

Any one got any opinions on whether I should go for Optimum Serious mass or BSN True Mass as im looking for a good quality gainer?:D

Both are good brands, id go with which ever one is cheaper.

Pro-Nutrition · 17-11-2008 2:07pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Both are good brands, id go with which ever one is cheaper.

I have to agree. Both brands are a high quality and will do the job. If you were to put a gun to my head I would go with the BSN, Mixes easy and tastes amazing.

Hornd · 17-11-2008 10:22pm

Serious mass has too many carbs per serving. Go with True Mass if thats the only other option. You could try IDS Smart Gainer or if you can find it cheap enough 2 BSN Syntha 6s.

beggars_bush · 20-11-2008 10:10pm

just want to ask something

had been using RAM from nutrition x for the post workout shake, along with good meals within an hour of finishing the session. i don't use a pre workout shake, but make sure i've eaten protein during the day - eggs, tuna, milk before the gym

does this stuff actually work? i noticed i ended up passing a lot more fluid than i do when not using it. not sure if it was aiding muscle recovery or not

does it make much more of a difference?

Degsy · 20-11-2008 10:56pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

just want to ask something

had been using RAM from nutrition x for the post workout shake, along with good meals within an hour of finishing the session. i don't use a pre workout shake, but make sure i've eaten protein during the day - eggs, tuna, milk before the gym

does this stuff actually work? i noticed i ended up passing a lot more fluid than i do when not using it. not sure if it was aiding muscle recovery or not

does it make much more of a difference?

It has its adeherents,mostly,i would imagine because of its disgusting sickly sweet taste.If you want an inexpensive PWO shake you can make your own by adding three scoops of glucose to one scoop of whey powder.Maybe add some electrolyte powder if you like but i wouldnt bother buying RAM as its an expensive version of the same thing.

Arsenal1986 · 21-11-2008 12:20am

It depends really where your buying the ram...if its in the shops for 35/40 euro then id agree with the above poster make your own but if your getting it from irish lifting for 25 or supp factory for 20 then i reckon you wont find a better PWO shake, bit of creatine in there its all u need! Although were money not an issue Surge from biotest is marginally better - whey is whey hydrosolate and carbs is waxy maize starch

TrueMass · 21-11-2008 10:11am

Where did you get the SURGE, what is the taste like, it says maltodextrin and dextrose when i looked it up.

I wonder what Degree of Hyrolysed Whey protein Concentrate/Isolate?

aye · 21-11-2008 12:13pm

Supplements are pretty cheap on this site.

http://www.fitnesssupplementsvitamins.ie/Post-Training-Nutrition-X-RAM-Recovery-Matrix.aspx

rubadub · 21-11-2008 12:42pm

I use PWO time to indulge in simple carbs, why have bland glucose when you can be eating sweet cakes with ice cold strawberry whey milkshakes :pac:

SuprSi · 21-11-2008 1:32pm

I use RAM after every workout, mainly because I go to the gym before work and can't get a proper meal (other than a banana and a yoghurt) into me straight afterwards. I really enjoy the taste of it, especially when used with very cold water. Does it work? I don't know, but I know I'd rather use it than not as without it I don't think my body would have what it needed after a workout.

Hanley · 21-11-2008 1:35pm

Arsenal1986 wrote: »

It depends really where your buying the ram...if its in the shops for 35/40 euro then id agree with the above poster make your own but if your getting it from irish lifting for 25 or supp factory for 20 then i reckon you wont find a better PWO shake, bit of creatine in there its all u need! Although were money not an issue Surge from biotest is marginally better - whey is whey hydrosolate and carbs is waxy maize starch

Not really sure how good an idea a waxy maize and protein combo is tbh…. The whole idea of waxy maize is that it bypasses everything and does its job as quickly as possible. Taking whey with it would only slow it down, defeating the purporse. AFAIK the recommendatino with WMS is to take it immediately after training and wait approx. 30 minutes before you get your protein in.

I actually have a tub of WMS in my car that I keep meaning to use. I must try it and see. My training partner swears by it.

beggars_bush · 21-11-2008 5:33pm

thanks for the replies

i suppose the thing i notice is that i just starting going to the toilet a lot during the evening after taking RAM after a 3/4pm workout

as for pre-workout supplements - i've never taken any (just eat well). what would be the best thing to take (if i wanted to go down that road)

kevpants · 21-11-2008 6:03pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

as for pre-workout supplements - i've never taken any (just eat well). what would be the best thing to take (if i wanted to go down that road)

A sandwich.

Some day my anti supplement message will get through.

beggars_bush · 21-11-2008 6:16pm

go on, whats the anti supplements message then...

usually i'd have a banana and some fruit

kevpants · 21-11-2008 6:31pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

go on, whats the anti supplements message then...

You don't need them! You dont need something called ALFA BLAST MUSCLETRON 5000 X to get stronger.

I've said it before and I've said it again there is a supplements sticky on the site. That's enough for their discussion. I think the Mods have actually lost the will to ask people to stick to it cos the flood of topics is too much.

I see an endless list of usernames popping in here with their 2 cents on supplements and zero discussion on training etc. If someone comes in asking about bench plateaus or any other topic related to actual training there's not a peep from anyone. I bet I could get a list of 10 usernames in minutes that have only contributed to the fitness forum in discussions on supplements.

For the love of God get some perspective. If anyone gave a shít I'd love to stop taking any supplement AT ALL and see if my numbers dropped in my log.

Think they would?

I'm off to take some deep breaths.

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