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Becoming a Real Runner

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  • #3152
    village runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Managed to get through the Finish line and exit pretty efficiently. Excellent organisation it has to be said, the roads were closed off and it allowed a swift transfer to the Coal Hole. Must have been 1pm by the time I got there, I had contemplated that I might be the first arrival but was immediately greeted by Brian, RK, KC, Robin and pronator amongst others. Grabbed a seat and settled in for the long haul.
    First few pints went down slowly, we’re talking 1 hour per pint here, nothing ground breaking but steady as she goes. Discussed Nutrition strategy with Pronator. We both agreed that there was no point rushing things, we’d opt for a burger after 5 or six pints or whenever the stomachs felt like it. No point forcing the issue so short into the session. Soon we were joined by Ronnie 085, Marathastew, Kiely Unusual among others and the pace dropped down to 30 minutes per pint at worst. Next thing I knew the Jamesons were being ordered and it all gets a bit blurry at this point. I had gotten the demons in my head a few hours before, even thought about dropping out early at one point but it was 11pm at this point and the pub was closing and all I could think about was more beer. Thankfully a few others had the same Idea and myself, MS, Ronnie and Kiely unusual headed back to the strand palace for more.
    I can’t quite remember all the details from this point on, but needless to say we wre well into double figures before I headed back the apartment. I had a bit of a moment finding the place, but a bit of help from the marshals (London’s Finest PC’s) and I hit the sack at x oclock. Wasn’t checking the watch at this point so I have no idea of my exact time…Oh wait you came here for a race report??

    I reckon it was 2.45 odd because the last of the 10 missed calls was 02.43......I just rang you back at 05.10 to see if u were having a nice sleep. Lol. Great sub 3.05


  • #3153
    tHE vAGGABOND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,687 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    great report [both of them] & great result [race and beer!]


  • #3154
    tang1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Great report, some serious balls at the finish to grind it out. Great running, 'in Meno we trust' i think the saying goes.


  • #3155
    RunningKing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭RunningKing


    Thats super stuff Meno - theres a select few people on Boards who everyone looks upto -

    you're one of them and your report shows why.


  • #3156
    RubyK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭RubyK


    Congrats again on a super time! You thoroughly deserved it :)


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  • #3157
    Steroo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Steroo


    Great Report Meno, Impressive Run.. sounded so comfortable until the cramps.. did well to hang on.


  • #3158
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    Terenure 5 mile, May 19th


  • #3159
    blockic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭blockic


    digger2d2 wrote: »
    Terenure 5 mile, May 19th

    Smackdown?


  • #3160
    jcsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    I was thinking 'N is making this whole marathon business sound way too easy' and then I got to mile 22 ;)
    Well done, super PB. Delighted for you.


  • #3161
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    digger2d2 wrote: »
    Terenure 5 mile, May 19th

    Sounds like a plan alright, is that the sunday after Kildare this year?


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  • #3162
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    blockic wrote: »
    Smackdown?

    With me? He's no match for me over the shorter distances :D I have to Marshal anyway!


  • #3163
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Sounds like a plan alright, is that the sunday after Kildare this year?

    Yep, exactly... I'd love to see a good boards crowd doing it this year, we could organise pints after!?

    Full details up in the Events section


  • #3164
    TRR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭TRR


    digger2d2 wrote: »
    Yep, exactly... I'd love to see a good boards crowd doing it this year, we could organise pints after!?

    What are these pintsyou talk of? I'm in :)


  • #3165
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    TRR wrote: »
    What are these pintsyou talk of? I'm in :)

    I'll get you into the elites section with meno ;)


  • #3166
    TRR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭TRR


    digger2d2 wrote: »
    I'll get you into the elites section with meno ;)

    elite athlete section or elite drinker? You've confused me by mentioning meno :)


  • #3167
    pistol_75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭pistol_75


    Well done again Niall. Did you follow a specific training plan for the drinking part or how did it work out?


  • #3168
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    pistol_75 wrote: »
    Well done again Niall. Did you follow a specific training plan for the drinking part or how did it work out?

    haha, nothing much it has to be said. I followed a strict taper on the beer front in the build up. I guess like the marathon itself a combination of a good pacing strategy and many years of built up endurance paid dividends in the end ;)


  • #3169
    pgmcpq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    Congrats on London (the running that is!). Should be very confident of a sub3 effort soon.


  • #3170
    ncmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭ncmc


    Brilliant race report Meno, really felt your pain in those last couple of miles. Congrats on a great PB. Loved your after race report, I am seriously impressed with how long you guys managed to stay out! I would have been asleep in the corner after about 2 drinks :o

    Well done again.


  • #3171
    opus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭opus


    Great stuff, congratulations on the race (& the epic session!) :)


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  • #3172
    Gavlor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Great drinking meno..... You've now given me a new target for limerick!!


  • #3173
    Dory Dory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    So, so, so very delighted for you!!! Congratulations on a super race and well done on two super entertaining reports. :D

    I believe you said you took 4 gels by mile 10? Wow. But it seemed to work for you. I may have to remember that.


  • #3174
    sideswipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Great stuff meno, great to see you've put those injury niggles behind you.


  • #3175
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    I believe you said you took 4 gels by mile 10? Wow. But it seemed to work for you. I may have to remember that.

    Yeah i took 7 in total and 4 before 10 miles.
    The way I see it; any gels you can take on baord are a bonus (I have done marathons before where my stomach couldn't take any). The earlier you take them the better as any energy taken on board is glycogen saved for later in the race. No point trying to force a gel into you late in the race when
    a) it is too late as you have already bonked
    b) your stomach is in ribbons and won't accept it.

    It is not a tactic of mine to take x Number of gels, but I carry a pouch and always fill it before the race. I plan to take only as many as I feel like, in this case The stomach felt very receptive so i just kept ploughing them into me. I have no doubt this helped as I never felt weak or lacking in energy at any point; the only thing slowing me down was the damn legs cramping up. :mad:


  • #3176
    blockic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭blockic


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Yeah i took 7 in total and 4 before 10 miles.
    The way I see it; any gels you can take on baord are a bonus (I have done marathons before where my stomach couldn't take any). The earlier you take them the better as any energy taken on board is glycogen saved for later in the race. No point trying to force a gel into late in the race when
    a) it is too late as you have already bonked
    b) your stomach is in ribbons and won't accept it.

    Very interesting meno, I was shocked also with the number of gels I must admit! Especially taking 4 so early

    But you do make valid points in fairness to you! :)


  • #3177
    theboyblunder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    Great run and report Niall. Well done on hanging on.

    Ive read somewhere that you cant really process more than 60-90 g carbohydrate per hour while running. Might be worth taking into account next time.

    Well done again, great time. With a clear run training wise sub 3 now easily in reach.


  • #3178
    ger664
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ger664


    Well done Sunday Niall. Two great race reports, I suppose all brian has to do now is run Boston if he can even manage that :P


  • #3179
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    theboyblunder wrote: »
    Ive read somewhere that you cant really process more than 60-90 g carbohydrate per hour while running. Might be worth taking into account next time.

    Science schmience :pac:

    Why would I take it into account? What I did worked perfectly well and I have done it before too. I have no doubt it enhanced my race and certainly did not hinder it
    I just checked the nutritional Info: http://www.sportnutrition.co.nz/shop/endurance-nutrition/enervit-cheer-packs/
    I took on about 120g in the first 70 minutes and another 90g in the next 90 minutes.

    Actually I guess it is not that far from the amounts you suggest...


  • #3180
    theboyblunder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Science schmience :pac:

    Why would I take it into account? What I did worked perfectly well and I have done it before too. I have no doubt it enhanced my race and certainly did not hinder it


    Lesson learned. Dont suggest stuff to niall ;)


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  • #3181
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    theboyblunder wrote: »
    Lesson learned. Dont suggest stuff to niall ;)

    haha, are you only learning this now? ;)
    I just prefer to do what actually works for me based on my own experience rather than some science experiment. I would never try to force a gel down me when the stomach is not receptive, but when it is I guess I must be absorbing them ok?

    Actually looking at the figures you quote that is actually loads of carbs, most people would never take on 90g/hour and if they did, they would generally leave it until the last hour when it is too late. What i am saying is that it is probably more effective and easy to take on those carbs in the first hour rather than the last one...


  • #3182
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    menoscemo wrote: »
    but I carry a pouch

    Surely not since you started using that calorie App!?? ;):D


  • #3183
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    theboyblunder wrote: »
    Lesson learned. Dont suggest stuff to niall ;)

    Unless, that is, it concurs 100% with what he's spouting on about in that particular week :D


  • #3184
    blockic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭blockic


    You're on fire today guns!


  • #3185
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Managed to get through the Finish line and exit pretty efficiently. Excellent organisation it has to be said, the roads were closed off and it allowed a swift transfer to the Coal Hole. Must have been 1pm by the time I got there, I had contemplated that I might be the first arrival but was immediately greeted by Brian, RK, KC, Robin and pronator amongst others. Grabbed a seat and settled in for the long haul.
    First few pints went down slowly, we’re talking 1 hour per pint here, nothing ground breaking but steady as she goes. Discussed Nutrition strategy with Pronator. We both agreed that there was no point rushing things, we’d opt for a burger after 5 or six pints or whenever the stomachs felt like it. No point forcing the issue so short into the session. Soon we were joined by Ronnie 085, Marathastew, Kiely Unusual among others and the pace dropped down to 30 minutes per pint at worst. Next thing I knew the Jamesons were being ordered and it all gets a bit blurry at this point. I had gotten the demons in my head a few hours before, even thought about dropping out early at one point but it was 11pm at this point and the pub was closing and all I could think about was more beer. Thankfully a few others had the same Idea and myself, MS, Ronnie and Kiely unusual headed back to the strand palace for more.
    I can’t quite remember all the details from this point on, but needless to say we wre well into double figures before I headed back the apartment. I had a bit of a moment finding the place, but a bit of help from the marshals (London’s Finest PC’s) and I hit the sack at x oclock. Wasn’t checking the watch at this point so I have no idea of my exact time…Oh wait you came here for a race report??


    Ha ha. A good time was had so.


  • #3186
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    haha, are you only learning this now? ;)
    I just prefer to do what actually works for me based on my own experience rather than some science experiment. I would never try to force a gel down me when the stomach is not receptive, but when it is I guess I must be absorbing them ok?

    Actually looking at the figures you quote that is actually loads of carbs, most people would never take on 90g/hour and if they did, they would generally leave it until the last hour when it is too late. What i am saying is that it is probably more effective and easy to take on those carbs in the first hour rather than the last one...


    Apparently the body can only handle 60g a hour of carbs. After that the bad stomach kicks it. Of course this doesnt mean it applies to everyone.


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  • #3187
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Don't think I ever congratulated you. Well done, cracking race. You were already hammered by the time I got to the coal hole...


  • #3188
    Killerz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Killerz


    Great report....the beer one...loved it! I would say that was some monster session!

    I didnt bother reading the race report after that :rolleyes: :D


  • #3189
    KielyUnusual
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    Great running at the weekend Meno and a not too shabby report either. Great craic in the Coal Hole alright.


  • #3190
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Paddy power are offering odds of 7/2 of Tyrone beating Dublin tomorrow in the league final. Considering Tyrone beat the dirty Dubs a few weeks ago, I think those odds are pretty good. That means PP thinks Tyrone would only beat Dublin 2 times out of nine :pac::eek::rolleyes: Ok, I admit the dubs are favorites but no way it is a 7/2 game....

    Just giving you a big tip, get the money on Tyrone, that's what you call value.....


  • #3191
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Paddy power are offering odds of 7/2 of Tyrone beating Dublin tomorrow in the league final. Considering Tyrone beat the dirty Dubs a few weeks ago, I think those odds are pretty good. That means PP thinks Tyrone would only beat Dublin 2 times out of nine :pac::eek::rolleyes: Ok, I admit the dubs are favorites but no way it is a 7/2 game....

    Just giving you a big tip, get the money on Tyrone, that's what you call value.....

    Depends on who is the fittest team at this time of year for croke park


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  • #3192
    Pisco Sour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Managed to get through the Finish line and exit pretty efficiently. Excellent organisation it has to be said, the roads were closed off and it allowed a swift transfer to the Coal Hole. Must have been 1pm by the time I got there, I had contemplated that I might be the first arrival but was immediately greeted by Brian, RK, KC, Robin and pronator amongst others. Grabbed a seat and settled in for the long haul.
    First few pints went down slowly, we’re talking 1 hour per pint here, nothing ground breaking but steady as she goes. Discussed Nutrition strategy with Pronator. We both agreed that there was no point rushing things, we’d opt for a burger after 5 or six pints or whenever the stomachs felt like it. No point forcing the issue so short into the session. Soon we were joined by Ronnie 085, Marathastew, Kiely Unusual among others and the pace dropped down to 30 minutes per pint at worst. Next thing I knew the Jamesons were being ordered and it all gets a bit blurry at this point. I had gotten the demons in my head a few hours before, even thought about dropping out early at one point but it was 11pm at this point and the pub was closing and all I could think about was more beer. Thankfully a few others had the same Idea and myself, MS, Ronnie and Kiely unusual headed back to the strand palace for more.
    I can’t quite remember all the details from this point on, but needless to say we wre well into double figures before I headed back the apartment. I had a bit of a moment finding the place, but a bit of help from the marshals (London’s Finest PC’s) and I hit the sack at x oclock. Wasn’t checking the watch at this point so I have no idea of my exact time…Oh wait you came here for a race report??

    Some base work for a potential upcoming beer mile?

    Belated congrats for last weekend btw.


  • #3193
    pistol_75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭pistol_75


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Paddy power are offering odds of 7/2 of Tyrone beating Dublin tomorrow in the league final. Considering Tyrone beat the dirty Dubs a few weeks ago, I think those odds are pretty good. That means PP thinks Tyrone would only beat Dublin 2 times out of nine :pac::eek::rolleyes: Ok, I admit the dubs are favorites but no way it is a 7/2 game....

    Just giving you a big tip, get the money on Tyrone, that's what you call value.....

    Does 7/2 mean if you put on €20 you lose €20? Up the Dubs. :)


  • #3194
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    pistol_75 wrote: »
    Does 7/2 mean if you put on €20 you lose €20? Up the Dubs. :)

    Almost made you eat those words :-(. My €40 would have returned €180.


  • #3195
    gerard_65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭gerard_65


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Almost made you eat those words :-(. My €40 would have returned €180.
    Instead thats 40 yoyos you won't be seeing again:p. Great to see Sean Quinn's buddy getting a kick up the hole.


  • #3196
    RunningKing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭RunningKing


    'Mon the Dubs :)


  • #3197
    claralara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    I stayed away from your log so you could enjoy your London glory for a while but I just wanted to pop in to note that the first third of 2013 ends at midnight. That means there are two full thirds left in the year 2013. Take from that what you will... ;)


  • #3198
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    claralara wrote: »
    I stayed away from your log so you could enjoy your London glory for a while but I just wanted to pop in to note that the first third of 2013 ends at midnight. That means there are two full thirds left in the year 2013. Take from that what you will... ;)

    I am open for any challenges, but I won't be racing any more marathons in 2013 :) Spring 2014 if you dare but you will have to change the title of your log ;)


  • #3199
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    month|2012 Run days|Miles|2013 Run days|Miles
    January|28/31|290.1|25/31|243
    February|27/29|283.2|26/28|237
    March|24/31|204.7|26/31|234
    April|23/30|187.8|24/30|156
    May|29/31|240||
    June|20/30|176||
    July|30/31|309.2||
    August|28/31|257||
    September|26/30|227||
    October|25/31|171||
    November|27/30|201||
    December|28/31|210||
    Total|317/365|2757.8.5|101/120|870

    Just updating the table for April.
    Recovery has been very slow since last Sunday. The left calf has been quite sore so I only managed 2 runs and 4 miles last week. Seems like I did some damage to the calf by running through the cramp when it struck, but thankfully it seems they were only micro tears which have cleared up now. Did a 4 mile tempo at the club tonight, and while I only stuck to MP, it felt fine so I am now looking forward to the next few weeks running.

    I am pacing 1:40 in Limerick on Sunday which should be great craic.
    I was going to pace 1:45 in Kildare the following week, but stupidly agreed to pace 3:30 in the full about 5 days ago. At the time my short term plan was to run Portumna Marathon in 3:09:xx to get my London qualifier for next year (in my own name) so i figured the Full pacing gig would be good for keeping up endurance.

    In the meantime the London Qualifying times have come out and I actually need a sub 3:05 to get a London QT. I just can't stomach trying that again so Portumna is out. I entered the ballot for London instead so My options next spring will be:
    1. Get a ballot place for London
    2. Run again in Brians name (my sprint in the last 385 yds, insured he is qualified again :))
    3. Pick another Spring Marathon (Barcelona, Paris, Rotterdam)

    So after Kildare I'll be concentrating on speed, hopefully will be racing a lot over the next few months (starting with the sportsworld 5 miler) and then will target a Half in Autumn to get a sub 1:25 which should set me up for a sub 3 programme over the winter. I am strongly considering the Charleville half as a target race. Even though it is the National half, I can't be bothered doing the Rock'n'Roll race for a variety of reasons (one of them being the 8:30 start time).


  • #3200
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I am open for any challenges, but I won't be racing any more marathons in 2013 :) Spring 2014 if you dare but you will have to change the title of your log ;)

    You not doing Portumna?


  • #3201
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    digger2d2 wrote: »
    You not doing Portumna?

    Not anymore. When I was gonna do it I though the london Qualifier would be sub 3:10 but now it is sub 3:05 I can't be bothered trying that again, it would need a PB.
    I'll save myself for Dunshaughlin instead and maybe try the Beer Mile the night before Portumna ;)

    BTW you are getting some slagging over on the Limerick Thread on events forum. I thought you would have been over there to defend yourself :P


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