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Carl Froch vs George Groves

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    #1502
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    If we're judging on who is landing punches then groves was maybe 4-3 or 4-2 ahead.....if we're judging on who is dominating the ring and throwing wild punches, being aggressive but lacking real technical boxing skills then yes froch was ahead

    froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him every time

    poor commentary from sky, an ok fight, groves left himself open and was caught - that's boxing


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    #1503
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    I wanted Groves to win and am gutted for him but fair ballś to Froch the man is a warrior and has a chin made of granite.


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    #1504
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Thoroughly enjoyed that, what a punch :) Had the score cards close myself, with Froch ahead but it looked like Groves was starting to really grow into the fight and Bam, goodnight. No controversy with that one


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    #1505
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users Posts: 5,098 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    donfers wrote: »

    froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him

    Froch v Collins would be a real good fight if they were same era actually, a brutal 12 rounds


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    #1506
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    From memory, since there seems to be an argument about it here, I gave it round 1 Carl, 2 Groves, 3,4 Carl, 5 Carl, 6 Groves, 7 Groves

    4-3 Carl going to the 8th for me with Groves starting to really come into it. Rounds were very close though so can see an argument either way


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    #1507
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users Posts: 5,098 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    kryogen wrote: »
    From memory, since there seems to be an argument about it here, I gave it round 1 Carl, 2 Groves, 3,4 Carl, 5 Carl, 6 Groves, 7 Groves

    4-3 Carl going to the 8th for me with Groves starting to really come into it. Rounds were very close though so can see an argument either way

    It's subjective ok.
    Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it


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    #1508
    amkin25
    Closed Accounts Posts: 428 ✭✭amkin25


    donfers wrote: »
    If we're judging on who is landing punches then groves was maybe 4-3 or 4-2 ahead.....if we're judging on who is dominating the ring and throwing wild punches, being aggressive but lacking real technical boxing skills then yes froch was ahead

    froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him every time

    poor commentary from sky, an ok fight, groves left himself open and was caught - that's boxing

    Pretty much agree with you i wouldn't rate froch too highly myself,but groves was far too soft in both fights for me,he got knocked out here and collapsed in the last fight albeit a terrible decision but he was starting to fail in the later rounds,so i would have been swaying towards froch here on the cards on control because he looked to be doing more damage when he got in,but groves was coming on strong in 7 and 8 in this fight.


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    #1509
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I wanted Groves to win and am gutted for him but fair ballś to Froch the man is a warrior and has a chin made of granite.
    Strongest jaw I've seen in British sport since David Coulthard.


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    #1510
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,080 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    It's subjective ok.
    Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it

    BBC 5 Live tweeted that 2 judges had Froch ahead and the other had Groves, didn't give the actual scores


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    #1511
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    It's subjective ok.
    Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it

    The score cards will come out yeah


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    #1512
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    Had a few quid on froch to do it in round 8 , delighted...
    Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.
    George didn't look half as good as he did in the last fight.
    Have to say I thought froch was looking tired just before the knockdown, sure what do I know :D

    As for Amir khan, wtf?


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    #1513
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users Posts: 5,098 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    sham69 wrote: »

    As for Amir khan, wtf?

    What did he do ?


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    #1514
    nocoverart
    Registered Users Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    sid waddell wrote: »
    Strongest jaw I've seen in British sport since David Coulthard.

    Strong rumours going around that NASA want to launch rockets from that jaw onto Mars.


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    #1515
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    sham69 wrote: »
    Had a few quid on froch to do it in round 8 , delighted...
    Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.
    George didn't look half as good as he did in the last fight.
    Have to say I thought froch was looking tired just before the knockdown, sure what do I know :D

    As for Amir khan, wtf?

    Don't ruin the parade with stupid aftertiming, nobody cares and its sad


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    #1516
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Best man won no question about it.

    Froch should retire, it's unlikely to ever get as good as this again.


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    #1517
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    What did he do ?

    Said Groves was controlling the fight and ahead when he was asked in between rounds earlier, not how I saw the fight at the time, Froch was controlling the ring imo Groves at the stage was looking for pot shots and bits here and there, no rhythm or control at all. He came into it more after but at that point it sounded mental to me from Khan :)


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    #1518
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    What did he do ?

    Sounded pissed, said groves was controlling the fight?


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    #1519
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    kryogen wrote: »
    Don't ruin the parade with stupid aftertiming, nobody cares and its sad

    Not sure what you mean by this?
    I was watching the fight with the missus , had a few beers, put some bets on earlier and won a few quid?

    Have been watching boxing since I was a kid, don't know much about it but enjoy watching it?
    Wasn't being smart?

    Sorry I am misunderstanding your comment, few beers and all that.


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    #1520
    not yet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Free when you know how:D

    mediocre fight but what a finish.

    Jaysus Chops do you pay for anything..

    Froch that the fight under control from the 3rd, He was never going to lose it.


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    #1521
    Too Tough To Die
    Registered Users Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    sham69 wrote: »
    Sounded pissed, said groves was controlling the fight?

    Froch and Khan don't get along.


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    #1522
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    Froch and Khan don't get along.

    Didn't know that, explains it so.
    Was funny when the guy said "you mean froch, and he said no"
    Silence when they went back to the commentary :)


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    #1523
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    sham69 wrote: »
    Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.

    :confused:

    I'm not a boxing fan until a big fight comes up but wtf? and I even missed the first round.. My viewing was a 4-3 to either fighter, but had it scored as HBO they had Grooves 4-0 heading the 5th and it was hard to argue with it. :confused:


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    #1524
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Best man won no question about it.

    Froch should retire, it's unlikely to ever get as good as this again.

    Id like to see him take on Degale and flatten him.


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    #1525
    80s Child
    Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭80s Child


    Can someone pm me a link please

    Never mind...too late.. typical.


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    #1526
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    user2011 wrote: »
    :confused:

    I'm not a boxing fan until a big fight comes up but wtf? and I even missed the first round.. My viewing was a 4-3 to either fighter, but had it scored as HBO they had Grooves 4-0 heading the 5th and it was hard to argue with it. :confused:


    Rounds were pretty close though...


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    #1527
    sham69
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    I knew there was a reason I don't post in this thread very often.
    I seem to have upset a few people with my bad after timing and preposterous round scoring.

    I've learned my lesson though. ;)


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    #1528
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Post fight press conference live on youtube for anybody interested.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UqxpqHujlo&feature=youtu.be


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    #1529
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    sham69 wrote: »
    Rounds were pretty close though...

    Don't think they were that close, from when I tuned in Grooves was 3-0 up, hbo had given the first to Grooves but from the 5th on it was all Froch the body punches were effecting Grooves big time which imo lead to the knock out.

    But my reply to Froch being 3 ahead was nuts. The same as him predicting the finish in the 8th ;)


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    #1530
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    No way Groves won that first round, it was close alright, but Froch was the aggressor and had control, he also landed the better punches imo. Wouldnt be the first time HBO scoring was a bit off anyway


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    #1531
    St890
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭St890


    kryogen wrote: »
    No way Groves won that first round, it was close alright, but Froch was the aggressor and had control, he also landed the better punches imo. Wouldnt be the first time HBO scoring was a bit off anyway

    No way, Groves landed more punches and the best punches. Froch took about a minute to even throw his first punch.


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