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Schools called to accommodate Isalamic beliefs

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  • #52
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,837 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Because the majority of people here are Christian
    There are minority religions & beliefs living in Ireland
    If not a chrisitan country then what would you call it?

    A secular country?


  • #53
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Because the majority of people here are Christian
    There are minority religions & beliefs living in Ireland
    If not a chrisitan country then what would you call it?

    You've answered it. It's a republic with a christian majority. Last time I checked we weren't living in a theocracy.


  • #54
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Because the majority of people here are Christian
    There are minority religions & beliefs living in Ireland
    If not a chrisitan country then what would you call it?
    By your logic, it's a a female's country because there are more women than men in it.

    And it's an English country, because the majority of people speak English.


  • #55
    beveragelady
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I'm not religious but Ireland is a Christian country & so should stay that way.

    My family is Irish, on both sides, going right back into the mists of time. Your ill-informed statement implies I am somehow less of a citizen because I don't subscribe to a particular set of superstitions.
    If a Christian moves to Ireland are they more welcome than a non-Christian? More Irish than I am?

    Religion has no place in schools, none at all. Generations of inculcation has resulted in a segment of the population who believe it is acceptable to make statements about Ireland being a Christian country.

    Infect your kids with religion and other superstitions at home if you want, but keep it out of schools.


  • #56
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    what do these muslims who want this stuff do now?


  • #57
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight
    As I said I am not religious but if you spoke to most foreigners that will describe Ireland as a Christian country
    The same way as they would describe another country as Muslim, Buddhist etc


  • #58
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Savage93 wrote: »
    No mention of butchery of non muslims in Iraq or condemnation of same by this eminent religious official of the muslim faith

    How do you know?

    Does he have to comment on every controversy surrounding muslims every time he opens his gob?


  • #59
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    if you spoke to most foreigners that will describe Ireland as a Christian country
    Are you a foreigner? Is that why you refer to Ireland as a Christian country?


  • #60
    beveragelady
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight
    As I said I am not religious but if you spoke to most foreigners that will describe Ireland as a Christian country
    The same way as they would describe another country as Muslim, Buddhist etc

    So I should ask a foreigner what sort of country I live in? Are you trying to be funny?

    You don't like foreigners though, do you? Or have you forgotten your little anecdote about Somalis?


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  • #61
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    beveragelady wrote: »
    My family is Irish, on both sides, going right back into the mists of time. Your ill-informed statement implies I am somehow less of a citizen because I don't subscribe to a particular set of superstitions.
    If a Christian moves to Ireland are they more welcome than a non-Christian? More Irish than I am?

    Religion has no place in schools, none at all. Generations of inculcation has resulted in a segment of the population who believe it is acceptable to make statements about Ireland being a Christian country.

    Infect your kids with religion and other superstitions at home if you want, but keep it out of schools.

    Nope not implied any of that.......just hope you feel as passionate against the Muslims wanting your Daughter (if you have one ) dressed as a post box


  • #62
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight
    As I said I am not religious but if you spoke to most foreigners that will describe Ireland as a Christian country
    The same way as they would describe another country as Muslim, Buddhist etc

    Who is being anti Christian?


  • #63
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Apart from banning pianos, ham sandwiches, gyms, contact sports, the school hop, singing, laughter, swimming, sports days, school trips, science, music, birdsong and custard, I see no problems with this guy's opinions.

    Don't forget the banning of evolution. Muslims are big on banning that in the last few years, for some reason.


  • #64
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Gordon wrote: »
    Are you a foreigner? Is that why you refer to Ireland as a Christian country?

    I'm Irish but have lived in the UK for a number of years but have met many foreigners of different religions/beliefs who all talk passionately about Ireland being a Christian country
    I guess its just the locals.....
    & again I'm not religious but we seem to be getting away from the original post


  • #65
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    splashthecash wrote: »
    This boils my blood - I say no fuppin' way. I don't necessarily think that teaching religion in schools adds anything, never got anything out of it myself. The whole communion\confirmation thing is obviously pretty central but just the thought of this being brought up in any of the Islamic countries to change the way their state schools are run to accomodate the Catholic faith....we'd be laughed out of there.


    ....what they do there is irrelevant. Muslims are not some hive minded entity.
    Help wrote:
    I'm not religious but Ireland is a Christian country & so should stay that way.
    .

    It's supposedly a secular Republic. Slagging off muslim states while calling for the same sort of nonsense for Jesus is rather amusing though.
    Help wrote:
    The problem with the U.K. is they bent over backwards to the extent that a white Englishman will get no council house even after paying taxes all there lives but a Somali family will come in & get a 4 bedroom house .

    The usual xenophobic bollocksology I see. Why can't we just slag off yer man on what he said, without attracting every sad bigoted cliché out there.....


  • #66
    beveragelady
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Nope not implied any of that.......just hope you feel as passionate against the Muslims wanting your Daughter (if you have one ) dressed as a post box

    That's exactly what you implied.

    As regards your ridiculous statement about how my theoretical daughter would dress, I'm going to answer it seriously anyway.

    I would defend anybody against any sort of religious, cultural or ideological oppression. In this country, we have a sorry history of oppression by the Catholic hierarchy. Its time is almost at en end, thankfully, and I would reject any other form of oppression that rose up to take its place.


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  • #67
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight

    To say I am not a Christian does not imply that I am anti-Christian. To suggest this is offensive.


  • #68
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    lazygal wrote: »
    If Allah didn't want us to clap, why did he give us two hands?

    One to wipe with, the other to throw stones at adulterers?


  • #69
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....what they do there is irrelevant. Muslims are not some hive minded entity.


    It's supposedly a secular Republic. Slagging off muslim states while calling for the same sort of nonsense for Jesus is rather amusing though.


    The usual xenophobic bollocksology I see. Why can't we just slag off yer man on what he said, without attracting every sad bigoted cliché out there.....

    & he rides in on his great steed again to save another thread about minoritys


  • #70
    actuallylike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight
    As I said I am not religious but if you spoke to most foreigners that will describe Ireland as a Christian country
    The same way as they would describe another country as Muslim, Buddhist etc

    A lot of these countries are founded on the principle of their religion. Israel is a state founded on the Jewish Ideology (I think) as plenty of Muslim states are founded on the principles of the Koran. That is what makes them associated with the particular religions.

    Ireland is a place that had a very strong Catholic presence, that is all. It wasn't formed to reflect the Bible, the church just had a hold here, which is slipping every day.

    We have a chance here to do good and stop this in its tracks. I'm not saying to close the borders. I'm also not saying to behave like us or píss off. I'm saying that anything state funded should have absolutely no input from a religious organisation whatsoever, whether Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim or anything that requires absolute submission to something you can't even prove exists.


  • #71
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    beveragelady wrote: »
    That's exactly what you implied.

    As regards your ridiculous statement about how my theoretical daughter would dress, I'm going to answer it seriously anyway.

    I would defend anybody against any sort of religious, cultural or ideological oppression. In this country, we have a sorry history of oppression by the Catholic hierarchy. Its time is almost at en end, thankfully, and I would reject any other form of oppression that rose up to take its place.

    Sorry did you start reading from the OP or did you get involved mid thread?


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  • #72
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    have met many foreigners of different religions/beliefs who all talk passionately about Ireland being a Christian country
    They all talk passionately about Ireland being a Christian country eh?

    Sorry, but that's hilarious, I don't believe that for a second! I've lived in many countries and visited more and told people where I'm from (Scotland) in many of those countries. I don't think anyone, anywhere, has ever commented on the religions of Scotland's (or UK's) majority population. It may have happened, I can't recall to be honest, but they most certainly wouldn't have talked 'passionately' about it, maybe as small talk.


  • #73
    beveragelady
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Sorry did you start reading from the OP or did you get involved mid thread?

    Apology accepted.

    I read each post.


  • #74
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Gordon wrote: »
    They all talk passionately about Ireland being a Christian country eh?

    Sorry, but that's hilarious, I don't believe that for a second! I've lived in many countries and visited more and told people where I'm from (Scotland) in many of those countries. I don't think anyone, anywhere, has ever commented on the religions of Scotland's (or UK's) majority population. It may have happened, I can't recall to be honest, but they most certainly wouldn't have talked 'passionately' about it, maybe as small talk.

    Did you know that Polish people call Poland a Christian country?
    Lithuanian?


  • #75
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Philip7304 wrote: »
    Why do we have to accommodate this religion so much.....why cant we just say no...

    Because our leaders continue to be too chicken-livered to say no to the equally evil roman catholic church in these matters. In a country like Ireland once you give one group privilege you end up giving all similar groups the same privilege.


  • #76
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Did you know that Polish people call Poland a Christian country?
    Lithuanian?
    How many people? 100% of Polish people living in Poland? Even if that were true, what has it got to do with Ireland being called a Christian country by yourself?


  • #77
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Gordon wrote: »
    How many people? 100% of Polish people living in Poland? Even if that were true, what has it got to do with Ireland being called a Christian country by yourself?

    Wow and your a moderator


  • #78
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow and your a moderator
    Wow, and you're dodging I presume.


  • #79
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow and your a moderator

    He's an Admin! Salute. Quickl! You might get away with it!


  • #80
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Gordon wrote: »
    Wow, and you're dodging I presume.

    So do you think I'm the only person who has ever said Ireland is a Christian country?


  • #81
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    endacl wrote: »
    He's an Admin! Salute. Quickl! You might get away with it!

    Potatoes ,Tomatoes


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  • #82
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I'm not religious but Ireland is a Christian country & so should stay that way.e

    No. Ireland is a secular country by constitutional provision. Therefore it should start acting like one and stop favouring any and all religions.

    The so called "christianity" of this country has long disappeared (and well it has too) leaving only a faint echo in the fact that the majority of the people still tick "catholic" on the census, despite believing exactly 0 of the crazy things mandated by the rcc as mandatory.


  • #83
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    So do you think I'm the only person who has ever said Ireland is a Christian country?
    You seem very hung up on what other people think. You seem to think that everyone in Poland thinks Poland is a Christian country. 100% is 'everyone'. You seem to think that every foreigner thinks Ireland is a Christian country. You think that if one person agrees that Ireland is a Christian country, then it's fact?

    I think you should be a person that decides for yourself, that takes everything into account and makes a decision based upon your own thought processes.


  • #84
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow and your a moderator
    And your been rude.

    Cut out the tatty gybes will ya and try debayte loike a nadult.


  • #85
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    So do you think I'm the only person who has ever said Ireland is a Christian country?

    Not at all, lots of ill-informed people say it.

    Ireland was a Catholic country, and by Catholic country I mean a country where the Catholic Church affectively controlled government policy's. TDs were afraid to upset the Bishops after all.


  • #86
    Rezident
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Rezident


    No.

    Can you imagine if you started trying to bring non-Muslim culture into Muslim countries? You know like treating women with respect, and not blowing people up because they are different to you and maybe saying that if someone wants to abandon their religion when they grow up that we do NOT kill them?

    No.

    Honestly, I believe that belief systems that facilitate public decapitations, mass murder, rape etc., like Islam for example, will be illegal in the future. I know the world would be a better place without Islam in it. Hurry up.


  • #87
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Wow didn't realise there were so many anti Christians out tonight

    Wrong again (you should stop being so, it is habit forming). We are just as annoyed over your attempts to discriminate against us as you are about muslims attempting to discriminate against you.

    Once you get that basic idea into your head, then you'll realise that we are right to call out anybody who calls Ireland (or any other nation) christian (or any other religion). There should be no religious interference in state matters and there should be no state interference in religious beliefs, anywhere.


  • #88
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rezident wrote: »
    No.

    Can you imagine if you started trying to bring non-Muslim culture into Muslim countries? You know like treating women with respect, and not blowing people up because they are different to you and maybe saying that if someone wants to abandon their religion when they grow up that we do NOT kill them?

    No.

    Honestly, I believe that belief systems that facilitate public decapitations, mass murder, rape etc., like Islam for example, will be illegal in the future. I know the world would be a better place without Islam in it. Hurry up.

    Are there anymore sweeping generalisations and sectarian stereotypes that you can fit into that post?


  • #89
    The Domonator
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    No religion in schools. Indoctrinate your kids on your own time please. I don't pay taxes for our youth to be brainwashed.


  • #90
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The Domonator wrote: »
    I don't pay taxes for our youth to be brainwashed.
    Oh, yes you do.

    Between the two of them, religion and Irish, I believe (don't have time to check) we're adding around one billion euro to the country's annual education bill.


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  • #91
    openup
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭openup


    Why do so many people say "What would happen if you tried to bring Catholicism into a Muslim country?!" Like, what has that got to do with anything?

    This man is obviously a loon. I'm not going to say they're aren't millions or others like him but having met lots of devout (and not so devout) Muslims, he is definitely not the norm. I do think that Muslim celebrations should be marked in schools (along with celebrations of all faith present). I also don't see the problem with a prayer room (there was one in my secondary school for the one muslim student but he never used it) or girls leaving their hijab on for sports? There are plenty of hijabi athletes, I can't understand why it would be against health and safety.


  • #92
    The Domonator
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Domonator


    robindch wrote: »
    Oh, yes you do.

    Between the two of them, religion and Irish, I believe (don't have time to check) we're adding around one billion euro to the country's annual education bill.

    I meant to say i don't want to pay taxes for teaching religion in schools, need to start proofreading my posts :o


  • #93
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    openup wrote: »
    Why do so many people say "What would happen if you tried to bring Catholicism into a Muslim country?!" Like, what has that got to do with anything?

    .......

    They're all connected. Poke a muslim in the ribs, all muslims jump. True as I'm sittin here.


  • #94
    Philip7304
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Philip7304


    openup wrote: »
    Why do so many people say "What would happen if you tried to bring Catholicism into a Muslim country?!" Like, what has that got to do with anything?

    This man is obviously a loon. I'm not going to say they're aren't millions or others like him but having met lots of devout (and not so devout) Muslims, he is definitely not the norm. I do think that Muslim celebrations should be marked in schools (along with celebrations of all faith present). I also don't see the problem with a prayer room (there was one in my secondary school for the one muslim student but he never used it) or girls leaving their hijab on for sports? There are plenty of hijabi athletes, I can't understand why it would be against health and safety.

    A prayer room for one student....Ridiculous PC nonsense..


  • #95
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Gordon wrote: »
    You seem very hung up on what other people think. You seem to think that everyone in Poland thinks Poland is a Christian country. 100% is 'everyone'. You seem to think that every foreigner thinks Ireland is a Christian country. You think that if one person agrees that Ireland is a Christian country, then it's fact?

    I think you should be a person that decides for yourself, that takes everything into account and makes a decision based upon your own thought processes.

    Wow pretty sad that you are now making things up
    you should re-read the previous posts again

    Example:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Help!!!! viewpost.gif
    Did you know that Polish people call Poland a Christian country?
    Lithuanian?


  • #96
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Philip7304 wrote: »
    A prayer room for one student....Ridiculous PC nonsense..

    The Catholic secondary school I attended had a prayer room, never not once during the time I attended the school did anyone use it for prayers

    Awful waste of space and money considering it could fit a good 10 people in it,


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    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I'm Irish but have lived in the UK for a number of years but have met many foreigners of different religions/beliefs who all talk passionately about Ireland being a Christian country
    I guess its just the locals.....
    & again I'm not religious but we seem to be getting away from the original post

    You see that's why when you make assumptions you tend to make an ass of yourself...


  • #98
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    What does the guy mean by the word "persistent"?
    As in..
    ‘Persistent’
    Where schools were “persistent”, they should “employ a female PE teacher and provide students with a sports hall not accessible to men during times when girls are at play. They should also not be visible to men while at play.”
    Does he mean schools that "persist" in forcing muslim girls to participate in the unholy act of PE ? It seems incredible.
    TBH the alternative prospect of leaving people like that to run their own Islamic schools segregated from the rest of society (and on the state payroll too) is not very appealing either.


  • #99
    openup
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭openup


    Philip7304 wrote: »
    A prayer room for one student....Ridiculous PC nonsense..

    They didn't build it specially for him! They made space available to him, I fail to see how it's "PC nonsense" in the slightest.


  • #100
    masonchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭masonchat


    .


  • #101
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    masonchat wrote: »
    If Muslims want Muslim schools let them build and fund them and do what they like in them.

    Schools funded by the government should have no religious ethos, we got so caught up with minoirity groups rights pandering to every whim afraid to say this and afraid to say that so we dont offend anyone , it is now the majority groups who get shat all over

    I am not religious and religion has no part in any school anyway ,

    The catholic religion has been shat all over in the school system because of getting "caught up with minority groups rights pandering to every whim"?

    Fascinating. I was playing a video game where one moved from dimension to dimension only the other day.


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