ESB to create new fibre powered ISP

Sponge Bob · 18-09-2012 2:23pm

Not missing anything save to say that not all this duct has space in it. A three phase 10 or 20kv will stuff 3 ducts absolutely full. If there is space in a duct a 'subduct' can be stuffed alongside and the fibre blown down (some subduct looks like a reverse condom with lubricant inside) but is rigid enough that you can insert into an existing 50mm duct or Hydrodaire into a house.

Very good article here with loads of pics.

http://wiki.ftthcouncil.eu/index.php/FTTH_Handbook/Deployment_Techniques

Solair · 18-09-2012 4:32pm

It's either good luck or clever forward planning, but ESB has actually had pretty seriously tough specifications for ducting for quite a long time.

Most Irish modern developments are definitely connected up using ducts. That's not the case in a lot of countries where direct burial cables were preferred as they were seen as a cheaper option.

It means that ESB does actually have direct access to a hell of a lot of premises via a duct that carries nothing more than a fairly simple 230V cable in most cases.

Not sure what the story with older installations is though.

Stag11 · 18-09-2012 6:31pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

bk wrote: »

SB where did you hear the €300 million figure?

Sent you and Solair a PM. Can you confirm that my €300m figure is correct when you read that.

Sponge Bob, would also be interested in seeing how the €300m figure was arrived at? Cheers

Sponge Bob · 18-09-2012 8:49pm

It is from the ESB themselves.

Stag11 · 18-09-2012 8:55pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

It is from the ESB themselves.

Thanks, can you post a link to where they've stated it?

Sponge Bob · 18-09-2012 9:35pm

Not linkable as such. BK and Solair were invited to confirm it is genuine and BK did.

Stag11 · 18-09-2012 9:42pm

Stag11 wrote: »

Sponge Bob wrote: »

It is from the ESB themselves.

Thanks, can you post a link to where they've stated it?

Will take your word for it so. Good man yourself.

Solair · 18-09-2012 9:50pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Not linkable as such. BK and Solair were invited to confirm it is genuine and BK did.

That's what it says.

km79 · 18-09-2012 9:58pm

So I might eventually have an alternative to 3 s appalling NBS MOBILE broadband ???

Solair · 18-09-2012 10:00pm

Eh, possibly.

It's unlikely to be of much help to people who really live way out in the country, but it could be a huge deal for anyone in a small town, village, housing estate etc.

It could potentially have use for FWA providers too if they can get more fibre to mast sites built on top of that infrastructure.

Sponge Bob · 18-09-2012 10:25pm

km79 wrote: »

So I might eventually have an alternative to 3 s appalling NBS MOBILE broadband ???

If you live within 20 miles of Dublin or 10 miles of another large city ....or in an Athenry or a Tullamore or a Roscrea......then perhaps.

Banada Ballydehob and Borrisleigh are not being covered. Too rural.

km79 · 18-09-2012 10:28pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

km79 wrote: »

So I might eventually have an alternative to 3 s appalling NBS MOBILE broadband ???

If you live within 20 miles of Dublin or 10 miles of another large city ....or in an Athenry or a Tullamore or a Roscrea......then perhaps.

Banada Ballydehob and Borrisleigh are not being covered. Too rural.

8 miles from athenry in the middle of nowhere

Destined to live my life looking at the loading mouse

Sponge Bob · 18-09-2012 10:37pm

8 miles out of Athenry means ....unlikely.

Unless you are 8 miles out of it west near the Cashla 220kv switching station of course. What you could always do is find out whether they are prepared to supply Fibre to the Pylon ( bottom of ) if you live near one of their 110kv or 220kv lines and then run your own fibre across the field to the house.

One thing to remember is that 8 miles is trivial for fibre and that if a fibre were run from your parish to Athenry you might be able to pick up a few 100 megabits with low pings there quite soon.....say within 2 years. Your average East galway exchange, even one with DSL, usually has nothing like that available in terms of backhaul.

Wireless ( mobile or fixed) will always have difficulty offering anything of the sort at a reasonable cost.

Big Lar · 18-09-2012 10:57pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

What you could always do is find out whether they are prepared to supply Fibre to the Pylon ( bottom of ) if you live near one of their 110kv or 220kv lines and then run your own fibre across the field to the house..

I was thinking about that there a while ago as there is an ESB fiber passing on a line not too far away from me but I put it out of my head thinking that that it would be too costly what with the cost of splicing fiber, and then they would need power at the end of the pole which I know sounds foolish but thats a 110KV line overhead and it would take a bit of effort to drop down a domestic supply, then a small cabinet or structure. So I dunno about the feasibility of it.

Cork981 · 18-09-2012 11:22pm

just a suggestion but best way to supply power would be to run a power cable alongside the fiber from your house which would give the 230v ?

probably a wild shot at them allowing something like that but its possible in theory I suppose.

D'Peoples Voice · 22-09-2012 11:46am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You are entirely mistaken if you think they will duct most of this network. It will be strung overhead in the main.

http://www.prysmianusa.com/export/sites/prysmian-enNA/attach/pdf/Telecom/Technical_Literature_Methods_and_Procedures/MP_1012_Issue_3.pdf

on the same overhead power lines that tend to go down in storms?

The ESB's continuing its efforts to reconnect customers electricity supply in Donegal today.

250 households or businesses are without power as a result of the high winds that have battered the country for several days now.

The remaining faults are centred on Counties Donegal, Cavan, Galway, Cork, Wexford and Dublin, but the company's confident the problems will be resolved shortly.

http://www.oceanfm.ie/sp/article_manager/detail
/homes_in_donegal_remain_without_power_this_morning
so if you had your telephone through UPC, you could be without phone and electricity (no point is stating you'd be without tv and broadband, its obvious if you've no electricity)

AlmightyCushion · 22-09-2012 2:47pm

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You are entirely mistaken if you think they will duct most of this network. It will be strung overhead in the main.

http://www.prysmianusa.com/export/sites/prysmian-enNA/attach/pdf/Telecom/Technical_Literature_Methods_and_Procedures/MP_1012_Issue_3.pdf

on the same overhead power lines that tend to go down in storms?

The ESB's continuing its efforts to reconnect customers electricity supply in Donegal today.

250 households or businesses are without power as a result of the high winds that have battered the country for several days now.

The remaining faults are centred on Counties Donegal, Cavan, Galway, Cork, Wexford and Dublin, but the company's confident the problems will be resolved shortly.

http://www.oceanfm.ie/sp/article_manager/detail
/homes_in_donegal_remain_without_power_this_morning
so if you had your telephone through UPC, you could be without phone and electricity (no point is stating you'd be without tv and broadband, its obvious if you've no electricity)

With UPC your phone works through your router so if you lose power you lose your phone anyway.

Cheerful Spring · 22-09-2012 3:22pm

Villages and towns with about a distance of about 15 miles traveling time to get to our biggest cities ( Limerick, Galway, Dublin, Cork) Should be upgraded immediately. This were bosses and workers will live if choose not to live in city area locations.

Sponge Bob · 22-09-2012 4:37pm

Exactly . A lot of the key knowledge to run the knowledge economy is stranded in those specific areas and beyond the reach of VDSL

VenomIreland · 22-09-2012 9:01pm

So how long until the average consumer would be able to avail of the services?

Big Lar · 22-09-2012 11:56pm

VenomIreland wrote: »

So how long until the average consumer would be able to avail of the services?

12 - 18 months for urban areas I'd imagine and as for the rural areas: shortly after the second coming of Jesus could be a good guess.

daver123 · 23-09-2012 8:08am

ESB already have a fibre network which they share with E-NET, i would like to see ESB / E-NET / Eircom / UPC get serious and start cutting fibre in to estates in big urban areas for a start and then start to roll it out countrywide, if they can put electricity in to all homes then there is no reason why fibre cannot be installed. I know the cost is prohibitive initially in country areas but surely over the years the pay back would be be good between urban / rural.

Sponge Bob · 23-09-2012 11:18am

daver123 wrote: »

I know the cost is prohibitive initially in country areas but surely over the years the pay back would be be good between urban / rural.

To give you some idea of the scale of it.

1. The most urbanised 50% of the population occupies around 5-6% of the land areas of state.
2. The semi urbanised ( villages small towns and doughnutted around Galway Cork etc ) next most dense 20% of the population occupies around 7% of the land area of the state. These are the ones who must be covered by 4G networks.
3. The remaining 30% of the population occupies 87% of the land area of the state and there is no 4G coverage requirement in 87% of the land area of the state. This is important as the ESB initiative is closely related to 4G Network rollouts.

However as the ESB gets better at rolling out fibre by practising in the urban fringe they will find themselves driving costs down and redefining economic as they go along.

However the 10% of the population that occupies around 50% of the land area of the state is unlikely to benefit...I can see them or ESB + UPC elsewhere getting to somewhere between 80 and 90% of the population before the economics get seriously tricky.

There is a niche for the likes of Big Lar and his community network to 'fibre back' to where the ESB would leave off and pick up something there while picking up intermediate communities as they go. If they start to integrate 'in' then maybe the ESB will come further 'out'.

HTH

Big Lar · 23-09-2012 9:27pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

There is a niche for the likes of Big Lar and his community network to 'fibre back' to where the ESB would leave off and pick up something there while picking up intermediate communities as they go. If they start to integrate 'in' then maybe the ESB will come further 'out'.

HTH

While us in the stix will not benefit directly we will no doubt benefit indirectly, the ESB rolling out fiber to the urban areas will make back-haul more accessible for community and commercial WISP's to get access to, which is one of the major stumbling blocks out there.

Davy · 01-10-2012 10:57pm

Pretty sure I past by some fibre on overheads today, so may take off quickly once it wasn't just on trial.

yuloni · 01-10-2012 11:13pm

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Davy · 01-10-2012 11:34pm

Condi wrote: »

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Yes sorry I should have been move clear. It was on 10kv poles, and running on its own and not wrapped around conductor like the pylons

yuloni · 01-10-2012 11:38pm

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davehey79 · 02-10-2012 8:58am

Anyone think towns like Longford / Mullingar etc. would be in line for this iwhen it happens ?

funnyname · 25-10-2012 11:15pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/1025/1224325678975.html

Looks like it's gathering a bit of steam with a connection to the UK

Sponge Bob · 26-10-2012 10:23am

That court case is part of an ongoing squabble and is not really relevant to the plan the ESB have within the state save that the owners of ( or significant shareholders in) Sea Fibre ( also knows as Celtix Connect) are also the owners of a small dark fibre network in Leinster , map shown here.

funnyname · 27-02-2013 5:41pm

Any latest developments with this?

padraig.od · 30-05-2013 6:50pm

Any developments? I heard somewhere that Vodafone had selected to be commercial partners but I can't find any info

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 26-07-2013 3:25pm

Guys I live in a pace about 5km out from Nenagh Co Tipperary and the esb pylons are about a km away from my house . Can you make a guess at what speed I've got ....

Well I'll just tell ya take a look at the sh*t speeds , oh and im payin for 6 Meg http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2861633249

Liamario · 26-07-2013 3:26pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

Guys I live in a pace about 5km out from Nenagh Co Tipperary and the esb pylons are about a km away from my house . Can you make a guess at what speed I've got ....

Well I'll just tell ya take a look at the sh*t speeds , oh and im payin for 6 Meg http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2861633249

What's that got to do with ESB?

AlmightyCushion · 26-07-2013 3:27pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

Guys I live in a pace about 5km out from Nenagh Co Tipperary and the esb pylons are about a km away from my house . Can you make a guess at what speed I've got ....

Well I'll just tell ya take a look at the sh*t speeds , oh and im payin for 6 Meg http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2861633249

What does this have to do with the thread?

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 26-07-2013 3:29pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What does this have to do with the thread?

If you read it properly you might notice that I was talking about the esb fibre network that passes straight over my head every day and I've got horribale speeds and the spedds that are on them fibres are at least 300 mb

AlmightyCushion · 26-07-2013 3:34pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

If you read it properly you might notice that I was talking about the esb fibre network that passes straight over my head every day and I've got horribale speeds and the spedds that are on them fibres are at least 300 mb

ESB haven't rolled out there network so you aren't on it. You are probably on the Eircom network. The ESB fibre network will offer much better speeds when it gets rolled out.

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 26-07-2013 3:36pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

ESB haven't rolled out there network so you aren't on it. You are probably on the Eircom network. The ESB fibre network will offer much better speeds when it gets rolled out.

No my ISP is ARRA communications there a wireless ISP and there base in limerick is connected back up to the back bone of internet which passes over my head

AlmightyCushion · 26-07-2013 4:36pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

No my ISP is ARRA communications there a wireless ISP and there base in limerick is connected back up to the back bone of internet which passes over my head

So the reason for the slowness is the wireless technology that they use. ESB are rolling out a completely different technology to what you have so your speeds are in no way indicative of what ESB will be offering.

Davy · 26-07-2013 6:42pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

If you read it properly you might notice that I was talking about the esb fibre network that passes straight over my head every day and I've got horribale speeds and the spedds that are on them fibres are at least 300 mb

The high voltage on the line is along side the fibre, but your still only getting 230v, why should the broadband be any different?

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 29-07-2013 12:47pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

So the reason for the slowness is the wireless technology that they use. ESB are rolling out a completely different technology to what you have so your speeds are in no way indicative of what ESB will be offering.

True but if rural schools have 100mb off of airspeed it doesnt seem quite right because the wireless antena thats up on the roof is the same at the school . Now he schools service is 1:1 ratio and I think were 1:12 but its got to do with how much you ask for like they could give me 100mb if I payed for it but it wuld cost an arm and a leg and also it would pull down the network

degsie · 29-07-2013 7:01pm

I_HAVE_NO_NAME wrote: »

True but if rural schools have 100mb off of airspeed it doesnt seem quite right because the wireless antena thats up on the roof is the same at the school . Now he schools service is 1:1 ratio and I think were 1:12 but its got to do with how much you ask for like they could give me 100mb if I payed for it but it wuld cost an arm and a leg and also it would pull down the network

Dude, you need to start your own thread. Your ramblings have nothing to do with this thread :mad:

I_HAVE_NO_NAME · 11-08-2013 10:46pm

degsie wrote: »

Dude, you need to start your own thread. Your ramblings have nothing to do with this thread :mad:

Give out if you want but my cousin lives in this house and he has 1Mb bb and correct me if im wrong but isnt that 1 of the esb's 16 PoPs ( points of presence ) and isnt there crazy speeds going through there and could eircom or even esb themselfs use this as an exchange or anything because as I stated earlier he has 1Mb but you can besure that these PoPs can handle 1Gbps
http://www.esbtelecoms.ie/bandwidth_services/points_presence.htm

degsie · 12-08-2013 1:26pm

Hmmm... kinda like asking Iarnród Éireann to build a spur from a main line rail to your house because it's 'too far' to drive to a rail station. You need to understand how telecoms infrastructure works to answer your questions.

bk · 12-08-2013 3:27pm

MOD: I_HAVE_NO_NAME your posts are off topic for this thread. Please create a separate thread if you want to discuss your issues further. Cheers.

degsie · 12-08-2013 7:55pm

bk wrote: »

MOD: I_HAVE_NO_CLUE your posts are off topic for this thread. Please create a separate thread if you want to discuss your issues further. Cheers.

Fixed that for you

Mc Love · 13-08-2013 1:48pm

Any idea how this is progressing?

Nolars · 15-08-2013 3:01am

Mc Love wrote: »

Any idea how this is progressing?

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0722/463908-today-in-the-press/

According to this bids are to be made by the end of this month August and a decision will be made by the end of September, after which it is expected there will be several months of negotiations about the operation of the new company.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/energy-and-resources/esb-seeks-partner-to-set-up-fibre-network-1.1470736

ClonNGB · 18-10-2013 2:34pm

An ESB chap said to me Vodafone have been chosen as an FTTB partner. He also said they would not be doing the main urban centres in Dublin and Cork etc. and would start with smaller towns. This might mean places like Clonakilty would no longer have to wait years for Eircom to install FTTC. Would br great to see this happen.

ESB to create new fibre powered ISP

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