Once Upon A Time (ABC) [ Spoilers ]

Niles · 19-11-2013 8:46pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Have to admit I did not see the Rumple/Pan connection coming, great twist on the story again.

Me neither. It was the first time in ages that a tv program gave me a genuine WTF moment. Not even LOST's 'frozen donkey wheel' reveal...

While it was hinted before that Rumple knew Pan as a boy I always assumed they were childhood friends or something.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 19-11-2013 11:25pm

DeWitt wrote: »

Yes! Three generations of cowards. There's some interesting parallels in dialogue and scene direction when you go back and look at season 2. Great gif sets floating around tumblr.

To be fair to Neal he didn't actually abandon Henry as he never knew he existed. And he didn't abandon Emma for purely selfish reasons.

DeWitt · 19-11-2013 11:29pm

One of his reasonings was fear of meeting his father again. I think he pretty much says this in "Manhattan". (Feel free to correct me, I haven't watched that ep in a long time.)

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 19-11-2013 11:33pm

DeWitt wrote: »

One of his reasonings was fear of meeting his father again. I think he pretty much says this in "Manhattan". (Feel free to correct me, I haven't watched that ep in a long time.)

One of his reasons for what?

DeWitt · 19-11-2013 11:52pm

Leaving Emma, and not searching for her again in Storybrooke.

Here's the thing though, there is a major disconnect between what they're showing and what they're telling us when it comes to Neal. He's a good guy, but I can't take it on face value that he abandoned Emma for 10years just because Pinocchio told him she was destined to break a curse and save the Enchanted Forest. He hadn't lived in the enchanted forest for 100+ years by then, it makes no sense that he would just up and leave her unless he was explicitly told to do so by....The Blue Fairy. Because she's the only character with the exception of his father that Pinocchio shared knowledge of.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-11-2013 12:18am

DeWitt wrote: »

Leaving Emma, and not searching for her again in Storybrooke.

Here's the thing though, there is a major disconnect between what they're showing and what they're telling us when it comes to Neal. He's a good guy, but I can't take it on face value that he abandoned Emma for 10years just because Pinocchio told him she was destined to break a curse and save the Enchanted Forest. He hadn't lived in the enchanted forest for 100+ years by then, it makes no sense that he would just up and leave her unless he was explicitly told to do so by....The Blue Fairy. Because she's the only character with the exception of his father that Pinocchio shared knowledge of.

His reason for leaving Emma is as legit as Snow and Charming's reason for throwing her through a magic tree onto the side of the road.

How did Neal even know about the curse though? Like you said he wasn't in Fairytale Land for 100's of years.

DeWitt · 20-11-2013 12:26am

Yeah huh. Plot holes. I only hope they choose to explore it in the second part of this season instead of bringing in more shiny new toys.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 20-11-2013 1:00am

There's a lot of scope for some character driven plot lines in the second half of the season. Lots of things that don't make sense that could be cleared up. Will they though? Unlikely.

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2013 11:14pm

Prince Charming and Snow White expecting first child

http://uk.eonline.com/news/482979/ginnifer-goodwin-pregnant-expecting-first-child-with-fiance-josh-dallas

CastorTroy · 21-11-2013 8:11pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Prince Charming and Snow White expecting first child

http://uk.eonline.com/news/482979/ginnifer-goodwin-pregnant-expecting-first-child-with-fiance-josh-dallas

Wow! They're totally retconning Emma out of the series?

Explains why Snow wants another baby

RobbingBandit · 22-11-2013 1:27pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Wow! They're totally retconning Emma out of the series?

Explains why Snow wants another baby

Seeing as she is still kind of evil what with killing Cora and all maybe she wants to eat the baby or their heart, all I know is don't give these people any wardrobes in the next while. One thing I don't like about the creators is their glaring plot holes in their shows.

bren2001 · 03-12-2013 12:29am

Well we all knew it could not last too long. Those were the best 29 minutes of the show so far.

It was an interesting twist that was pretty obvious and if Henry wasn't such a terrible actor I might be excited by the prospect of it but.... 1 more before the midseason break till March. Hopefully next week isn't just filled with joyful reunions. Hopefully, they meet Hooks brother at sea or something interesting.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-12-2013 12:47am

bren2001 wrote: »

Well we all knew it could not last too long. Those were the best 29 minutes of the show so far.

It was an interesting twist that was pretty obvious and if Henry wasn't such a terrible actor I might be excited by the prospect of it but.... 1 more before the midseason break till March. Hopefully next week isn't just filled with joyful reunions. Hopefully, they meet Hooks brother at sea or something interesting.

Hook's brother is dead, so that's unlikely.

I'd be excited by the Freaky Friday body switch if they were going to have Robbie Kay doing 99% of the scenes as Henry and then they can't switch them back so they kill off Henry's body to get rid of Pan, but I doubt we'd get that lucky.

DeWitt · 03-12-2013 1:08am

Wouldn't it be fantastic if the body switch was permanent and we got to keep Robbie Kay? I'm sure Jared is a lovely kid and all, but he doesn't have the skill set to convincingly play Pan.

Hands down my favourite episode of the season. Reminded me a lot of season one. Really enjoyed seeing Mr. Gold and Madam Mayor again. Bobby & Lana were both on their A game. Even the start of the ep as Rumplestiltskin & the Evil Queen they were knocking it out of the park. They're so delightful to watch together, and the dialogue! Priceless.

I'm just happy Regina was finally acknowledged as Henry's mother. She gave up EVERYTHING for him. Ugh, feels.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-12-2013 1:13am

I agree "Henry's" acting isn't up to him being a central character. Also, so dumb to cast a kid of that age on a show where the entire season might only be a month or two on the show. He's grown about a foot since the start of S1 and that's only supposed to be a few months in Storybrook.

The portrayal of parenting on this show always bugs the crap outta me. I mean, Emma gave Henry up because she didn't think she could be a mother, she wanted something better for her kid. Regina gave Henry the life that Emma wanted for him. Sure, she did a whole heap of questionable things before and since, but as far as Henry's concerned she was the one to give him that stability and love. Let's be honest here, she's the only character on the show to actually raise a child! Credit where it's due.

RobbingBandit · 03-12-2013 2:15am

Liberal adoption in Boston 10 years ago, seeing as the Darling brothers were the other "couple" waiting to adopt baby Henry, wonder how long it will take Emma or Regina to sense the switcheroo. Will Pan/Henry not have a shadow, will his eyes be a different colour, will his manner have changed... There will be something obvious to the audience that the cast won't spot.

Henry is now in Pans body trapped in Pandoras Box, I think Rumple still has the box also seeing as the Darlings are in fact real humans but also part of the fairytale pantheon do they have similar dualistic powers to Emma or am I going way off tangent thinking this.

bren2001 · 03-12-2013 8:43am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Hook's brother is dead, so that's unlikely.

I have my theory.

JohnK · 03-12-2013 11:30am

RobbingBandit wrote: »

... wonder how long it will take Emma or Regina to sense the switcheroo. Will Pan/Henry not have a shadow, will his eyes be a different colour, will his manner have changed... There will be something obvious to the audience that the cast won't spot.

I'd say it'll be a bit simpler than that, Emma will probably make some reference to Project Cobra and get suspicious when Henry doesn't know what shes talking about.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-12-2013 4:37pm

bren2001 wrote: »

I have my theory.

Go on.....

bren2001 · 03-12-2013 4:47pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Go on.....

The sail of the ship now contains Peters shadow. Hooks brother is Liam Jones and he was tossed over board. Now that David has the water from Neverland Rumple will toss it overboard when he makes some potion for David. This will resurrect Liam who is actually Davy Jones. He will commander the Jolly Roger but he cant set foot on land as the water is where the Neverland water is hence the ship becomes the Flying Dutchman (or they could swing it to the Black Pearl if they want to include Pirates of the Caribbean).

My theory has its plot holes. For that reason alone, I expect it to be close enough :P

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-12-2013 4:50pm

^ But Hook and his brother were in Fairy Tale land, not real world. So the sea he's in is not the sea at Storybrook.

Although like you say things don't necessarily need to make sense on this show.

bren2001 · 03-12-2013 4:55pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

^ But Hook and his brother were in Fairy Tale land, not real world. So the sea he's in is not the sea at Storybrook.

Although like you say things don't necessarily need to make sense on this show.

The two obvious plot holes are:

1. His brothers name is Liam.
2. The water from Neverland only stops the posion from reaching his heart, it should have reached his heart and killed him.

Both can easily be worked around. His name can be changed for some stupid reason and he could be in limbo atm i.e. he doesnt die until his feet took soil (forget about the soil at the bottom of the ocean).

Hook now has a ship that can travel between realms. Its more my prediction for later on in the series tbh when they have to go to Fairytale Land. I expect Davy Jones to come into it.

RobbingBandit · 03-12-2013 5:00pm

Operation Cobra btw, not project...

RobbingBandit · 03-12-2013 5:03pm

Snow has Prince Charmings heart would be my guess, maybe not physically but figuratively so he can't die in that sense, too much again perhaps.

bren2001 · 03-12-2013 5:11pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Snow has Prince Charmings heart would be my guess, maybe not physically but figuratively so he can't die in that sense, too much again perhaps.

I'll stop watching the show.

CastorTroy · 08-12-2013 11:17pm

Is it bad that I thought crying baby Henry was still less annoying than modern Henry?

Also I always wondered why no one questioned Henry aging with everyone else staying the same age.

RobbingBandit · 09-12-2013 3:28am

The kid makes a good villain he is void of emotion, really void so he just seems evil.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 09-12-2013 12:34pm

So nice to see real scenery and real buildings and what not again.

Interesting idea this new curse, although it could just be silly way of resetting the whole show again.

Edit: How dumb is it that nobody offered Tink the loan of a jacket, or a jumper, or anything to keep warm. You could see their breath even in the daytime scenes, never mind the night time ones where everyone else had about 10 layers on to keep warm. Poor old Tink (and Pan) in their tights and short sleeves slowly freezing to death.

BlitzKrieg · 10-12-2013 4:57pm

with medusa is that the first greek myth to show up?

cause i have a simple request

James woods guest stars as hades

come on!!!! It's the perfect nod to disney's hercules

CastorTroy · 13-12-2013 1:44am

I must've missed it, but how did Chraming stay alive to get back to Storybrook?

Also, If Medusa turns people to stone, which can only be undone by stopping her, then shouldn't she have turned back when Charming did? Or is that one of the occasions where shouldn't be thinking logically?

Dunno where they're going with the new curse, or even if it'll go ahead.
Wonder why they killed the blue fairy though unless it was to both eliminate a magic user as well as reveal the threat to Henry.

Just looking at wiki and after this week's episode, the next one is in March

bren2001 · 13-12-2013 10:10am

CastorTroy wrote: »

I must've missed it, but how did Chraming stay alive to get back to Storybrook?

Charming stayed alive because he brought some of the water from Neverland. This keep the dream shade from reaching his heart. Rumple then gives him a remedy when they get back to Storybrook to cure it completely.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Also, If Medusa turns people to stone, which can only be undone by stopping her, then shouldn't she have turned back when Charming did? Or is that one of the occasions where shouldn't be thinking logically?

It is a paradox all right. But I didn't see it as a plot hole. I took it as a pretty good (and obvious) solution. The myth said she had to be stopped, which she was. It always annoys me how they get themselves in this tight spot and literally in two seconds figure out how to get out of it.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Dunno where they're going with the new curse, or even if it'll go ahead.
Wonder why they killed the blue fairy though unless it was to both eliminate a magic user as well as reveal the threat to Henry.

What I am wondering is that Rumple built himself into the curse that he would have a good life etc. So will he remember?

I don't like the idea of Henry re-figuring everything out again. Infact, I don't like the idea of people forgetting anything. I imagine either they will stop him in time, Tinkerbell with her pixie dust (which makes NO sense really) or the curse backfires in some way and doesn't set.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Just looking at wiki and after this week's episode, the next one is in March

Midseason break. Happens on most shows in fairness.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 13-12-2013 11:17am

bren2001 wrote: »

Midseason break. Happens on most shows in fairness.

Yes, and by staying off air until March they get to air all the new episodes back to back. A lot of shows go off around December and will come back late January but then take another break in March. Last season Once was like this, 3 episodes, then a break, another few episodes, break. I'd rather have them back to back even if it means a big break in the middle.

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2013 12:57pm

The big break this next year is because of the Winter Olympics in February. Most shows willl be off the air on the main US Channels while the Olympics are on.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 13-12-2013 1:23pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The big break this next year is because of the Winter Olympics in February. Most shows willl be off the air on the main US Channels while the Olympics are on.

NBC has the rights to the Winter Olympics and with the time difference I don't see why it should affect any regular programming?

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2013 1:37pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

NBC has the rights to the Winter Olympics and with the time difference I don't see why it should affect any regular programming?

NBC will be showing primetime Olympic coverage from 8pm eastern time. Most stations CBS,ABC & FOX won't really want to go up againist the Olympics between 8 & 10pm. Cable stations will be different of course.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 13-12-2013 1:42pm

The last Winter Olympics made a huge loss for NBC though, so I can't see that it's actually that big a draw for audiences. US TV is so weird.

Either way it works out better than the usual schedule, as I said before, bringing back shows in January for a few weeks, then taking them off again is so annoying. It seems the people at Once planned their season around this and have made 2 mini seasons to fit the schedule. So much better than the usual stop start nonsense.

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2013 1:45pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The last Winter Olympics made a huge loss for NBC though, so I can't see that it's actually that big a draw for audiences. US TV is so weird.

Either way it works out better than the usual schedule, as I said before, bringing back shows in January for a few weeks, then taking them off again is so annoying. It seems the people at Once planned their season around this and have made 2 mini seasons to fit the schedule. So much better than the usual stop start nonsense.

I agree it works better than 2 weeks on 2 weeks off the usually US schedule for that time of year to strech 22 weeks of tv into 36 weeks

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 13-12-2013 1:53pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I agree it works better than 2 weeks on 2 weeks off the usually US schedule for that time of year to strech 22 weeks of tv into 36 weeks

It's why I stopped watching things at US pace, unless they're not shown here at all. It's annoying too when channels over here air things right after the US and then we have to put up with all the breaks too. I'd rather wait until January to start airing something then get all 22 episodes back to back.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 16-12-2013 1:51pm

Well.... that got a bit emotional. I feel bad for a lot of these actors at times because when they're given an emotionally heavy episode like this they're all pretty good, but it comes along once a season, if even. The rest of the time they're spouting magical nonsense and trying to act around CGI rooms.

Too bad it looks like they're basically resetting everything now. Emma in NY will be the equivalent of the Storybrook parts from Season 1 and the rest in the forest will be the flashback parts.

The promo looks weird though, some of the characters seem to be in the real world still?

jenjenten · 16-12-2013 7:32pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Well.... that got a bit emotional. I feel bad for a lot of these actors at times because when they're given an emotionally heavy episode like this they're all pretty good, but it comes along once a season, if even. The rest of the time they're spouting magical nonsense and trying to act around CGI rooms.

Too bad it looks like they're basically resetting everything now. Emma in NY will be the equivalent of the Storybrook parts from Season 1 and the rest in the forest will be the flashback parts.

The promo looks weird though, some of the characters seem to be in the real world still?

Rebecca Mader - Wicked Witch

- i approve

Agent Coulson · 16-12-2013 7:34pm

Got to love Hook

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 16-12-2013 8:03pm

jenjenten wrote: »

Rebecca Mader - Wicked Witch
- i approve

As long as it's the Oz version and not the Wicked version. How awful does her makeup look in the promo too.

Agent Coulson · 16-12-2013 8:06pm

Once Upon a Time 3x12 Promo

littleteapot · 16-12-2013 8:12pm

Omg that was such a good episode. I'm so glad I stayed up to watch it last night despite my exam this morning ha! I don't think I would have lasted the day spoiler free.
Can anyone in their right mind deny Swan Queen now?? How many long lingering looks and separations from "the things you love most" do we have to go through for people to accept it as endgame? :P

cailinardthair · 16-12-2013 8:18pm

Such a brilliant episode....cant wait till March! So sad to see

Rumpelstiltskin

die but what a way to go.....I did have a tear!:eek:

Wonder where there going to go now?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 16-12-2013 8:21pm

littleteapot wrote: »

Can anyone in their right mind deny Swan Queen now?? How many long lingering looks and separations from "the things you the love most" do we have to go through for people to accept it as endgame? :P

Someone in the editing suite must ship it, hard! The guys in charge keep saying it's not a thing, they keep pushing and promoting the Neal/Hook/Emma thing, they've even sent Hook to NY to get Emma, and yet they keep putting in those moments that are only going to lead to more speculation.

Personally, I don't see it as a thing and enjoy those particular scenes for what I think they're supposed to be. Two mothers doing what's best for their son. But given the amount of people who seem to want Swan Queen every time they're on screen together I can't help thinking...."here we go, people are loving this!"

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 16-12-2013 8:23pm

cailinardthair wrote: »

Such a brilliant episode....cant wait till March! So sad to see
Rumpelstiltskin
die but what a way to go.....I did have a tear!:eek:

I didn't shed a tear at that bit, I found it funny how Belle was basically in a heap on the ground and nobody went near her and Emma just about managed a "sorry about ya, buddy" at Neal

jenjenten · 16-12-2013 8:25pm

littleteapot wrote: »

Omg that was such a good episode. I'm so glad I stayed up to watch it last night despite my exam this morning ha! I don't think I would have lasted the day spoiler free.
Can anyone in their right mind deny Swan Queen now?? How many long lingering looks and separations from "the things you love most" do we have to go through for people to accept it as endgame? :P

they were trending in twitter last night

jenjenten · 16-12-2013 8:29pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Someone in the editing suite must ship it, hard! The guys in charge keep saying it's not a thing, they keep pushing and promoting the Neal/Hook/Emma thing, they've even sent Hook to NY to get Emma, and yet they keep putting in those moments that are only going to lead to more speculation.

Personally, I don't see it as a thing and enjoy those particular scenes for what I think they're supposed to be. Two mothers doing what's best for their son. But given the amount of people who seem to want Swan Queen every time they're on screen together I can't help thinking...."here we go, people are loving this!"

what about aurora and mulan....its deffo an undercurrent.

RobbingBandit · 16-12-2013 8:29pm

Jebus they rapped that episode up quite quick, poor Rumple too. Swan Queen angle looks likely now given the whole never believing what she was capable of thing with Emma, I hope they manage a 4th season as if it is just two episodes left I feel kind of let down.

One major plot hole, who is the new Dark One?

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