The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

OAOB · 16-04-2015 3:17pm

I think Whisenhunt is gambling his HC career on Rivers, he has to win this year or he's likely out of the job and it's rare you get a 3rd chance at being an NFL HC.

Alfred Borden · 16-04-2015 3:26pm

Rivers is a top 6 QB. I have no doubt that with him and a good draft, they could easily make the playoffs in the rubbish AFC South.

Knex* · 16-04-2015 3:42pm

I know this, if in some bizarre world it came down to Giants either keeping their first, or keeping Eli Manning, I'd be taking Eli every damn time.

His contract is up next year too.

A bit simplistic, I know, but still. You need a QB in this league, and proven winners are hard to find.

JaMarcusHustle · 16-04-2015 5:12pm

Is it a first round pick that the Titans would have to give up? If so, I wouldn't take it. If their first round pick is going to be used on a QB, better off using it on one that will hang around longer than 3 or 4 years.

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 5:31pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Is it a first round pick that the Titans would have to give up? If so, I wouldn't take it. If their first round pick is going to be used on a QB, better off using it on one that will hang around longer than 3 or 4 years.

Amen

Alfred Borden · 16-04-2015 5:37pm

Id rather five years of Rivers than 15 of any QB in this draft.

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 5:48pm

we dont need a QB though.

I think there is a lot of confidence in Mett, yes he's unproven but he shows potential.

He's cheaper, his ceiling is higher (if he hits his potential)
Hes cheaper and he can be our QB for 10-15 years

Billy86 · 16-04-2015 8:54pm

I like Mettenberger. His ceiling is not higher than Rivers.

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 9:02pm

May be not overall though I think metts body of work is too little to make the judgement.

But if you look at rivers aging over the nexus 3 years to Metts growth, he'll surpass him

Knex* · 16-04-2015 9:57pm

Its more likely that Mettenberger is out of the league, or a number 2 QB, before Rivers is. And I say that as someone who liked what I saw of Mett last year, tbh.

Franchise QB's are bloody hard to get.

raze_them_all_ · 16-04-2015 10:23pm

Knex. wrote: »

Its more likely that Mettenberger is out of the league, or a number 2 QB, before Rivers is. And I say that as someone who liked what I saw of Mett last year, tbh.

Franchise QB's are bloody hard to get.

So happy I;m a packers fan tbh!! from one hall of famer to another when he retires

mikemac1 · 16-04-2015 10:29pm

Ah the Packers

Traded away 3 time pro bowler Mark Brunell
Cut 6th round pick Matt Hassleback as they didn't need him
Cut Kurt Warner during training camp

Different GM's and scouting teams in Green Bay found these players, how?? :mad:

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:13pm

What use is a franchise QB fir 1 season? Remember no guarantee he'd re-up with the Titans. Either way it's mid table mediocrity at best for 2 or r years? What does they do except remove The titans from the equation of an elite QB is available in the draft

Roll the dice with Mett, if he fails miserably at least you are in a good position to draft a replacement

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:15pm

Billy86 wrote: »

I like Mettenberger. His ceiling is not higher than Rivers.

I'll come back to this when Mett bests Rivers best ever season..

16-04-2015 11:21pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

What use is a franchise QB fir 1 season? Remember no guarantee he'd re-up with the Titans. Either way it's mid table mediocrity at best for 2 or r years? What does they do except remove The titans from the equation of an elite QB is available in the draft

Roll the dice with Mett, if he fails miserably at least you are in a good position to draft a replacement

ya i agree if rivers was 27-28 i may consider it but right now no way i give up the no. 2 overall for him. the only reason i would give a first is if I'm the cards or the bills and i have everything bar a qb.

additionally I think rivers is an awesome player but theres no guarantee he gets this titans team into the playoffs never mind have them contending. if i was the titans gm i shop the hell out of my pick (when its only a two qb draft you have to think at least one team will get stupid and throw picks at them) or else take best player available.

if whisenhunt is comfortable with mariota (and by all accounts he prefers a pocket qb) go with him if not probably williams. if the bucs take mariota i would pounce on winston wouldn't even take time to listen to offers but I seem to be higher on him than most.

16-04-2015 11:21pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

I'll come back to this when Mett bests Rivers best ever season..

ahh no need to leave forever mate

eagle eye · 16-04-2015 11:40pm

Raf32 wrote: »

Rivers is a top 6 QB. I have no doubt that with him and a good draft, they could easily make the playoffs in the rubbish AFC South.

Top 6?

I have nine ahead of him, Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Wilson, Luck and Roethlisberger without question. I'd have Eli and Flacco ahead of him too because they have proven themselves in the playoffs.

He is on the same level as Matt Ryan, Ryan Tannehill and a couple of others.

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:43pm

@nerd the Titans don't have enough talent to make the playoffs with Rivers, may a Brady or a Rodgers.

Get a prime defensive player and help Mett by having the D force stops.

Time will tell

16-04-2015 11:44pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Top 6?

I have at least seven head of him, Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Wilson, Luck and Roethlisberger. I'd have Eli and Flacco ahead of him too because they have proven themselves in the playoffs.

He is on the same level as Matt Ryan, Ryan Tannehill and a couple of others.

ahhhh stop now he's better than eli for sure. id argue hes a similar level to wilson and roethlisberger and below brady, rogers, luck. who knows how peyton and breed will perform this year. i have no idea how to grade flacco he's an enigma to me. and id have him wayyy ahead of ryan and ryan for now

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:45pm

Eli has how many rings?
At the end of the day that's what Qbs are measured on

16-04-2015 11:45pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

@nerd the Titans don't have enough talent to make the playoffs with Rivers, may a Brady or a Rodgers.

Get a prime defensive player and help Mett by having the D force stops.

Time will tell

thats what i mean. out of curiosity if you where titans gm would you stick with mett over winston?

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:46pm

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

thats what i mean. out of curiosity if you where titans gm would you stick with mett over winston?

Yes.. But I'd take winston over mariota

16-04-2015 11:50pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Eli has how many rings?
At the end of the day that's what Qbs are measured on

to be a pedant on the matter are you saying brad johnson, trent differ and joe namath are better than marino, jim kelly

is eli better than peyton

rings is a terrible way to measure any player

helimachoptor · 16-04-2015 11:56pm

If it came down to picking someone to win you a ring, I'd take the guy that's done it already over the guy who plays above average for most of the season.

Yeah rings are not the be all and end all, but what has Rivers done that makes him top 6?

17-04-2015 12:09am

helimachoptor wrote: »

If it came down to picking someone to win you a ring, I'd take the guy that's done it already over the guy who plays above average for most of the season.

Yeah rings are not the be all and end all, but what has Rivers done that makes him top 6?

I'm not necessarily saying he's top 6 but he's better than some of the mentioned above but he's got 252 tds to 122 interceptions, 250 career yards per game 95.7 career qbr.

i dont think rivers is a hall of fame qb or anything but he's been an awesome qb

and i still dont think the Super Bowl rings are a good way to judge qbs. sure there there are a few qbs that get **** hot in the playoffs (eli/flacco) but no way in hell do i pick dilfer over marino or eli over payton or brad johonson over donavan mcnabb the list goes on

Barney92 · 17-04-2015 12:50am

I agree with Heli. With Rivers they might have an outside chance at the playoffs. Although they'd still have to get past the Colts. The Texans would also have a thing or two to say about it. They'd get a couple of years out of Rivers, if he signed a new deal but at a very high price. He'd be the highest paid on the team, and they'd have missed out on one or two rookies this year. I think it would make sense for a team that was simply a quarterback away from challenging for a title, or at least to get deep into the playoffs. Houston, or possibly the Bengals would become contenders in my book if they had someone like Rivers throwing the ball.

NotASheeple · 17-04-2015 1:11am

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

is eli better than peyton

When it matters most? Then yes. Eli might be dire at times but he hasn't choked the way Peyton has. He is a much better post season QB, Peyton is a much better regular season QB. But at the end of the day, regular season stats mean nothing. Because rings matter and it's the reason every kid puts on a football helmet. To be a Superbowl champion.

17-04-2015 1:30am

NotASheeple wrote: »

When it matters most? Then yes. Eli might be dire at times but he hasn't choked the way Peyton has. He is a much better post season QB, Peyton is a much better regular season QB. But at the end of the day, regular season stats mean nothing. Because rings matter and it's the reason every kid puts on a football helmet. To be a Superbowl champion.

so your telling me if you where a gm and had the number one pick now and had a choice between a young peyton and a young eli to build your franchise around you would pick eli?

Billy86 · 17-04-2015 2:29am

helimachoptor wrote: »

Eli has how many rings?
At the end of the day that's what Qbs are measured on

Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson are each better than Dan Marino, so.

NotASheeple · 17-04-2015 2:29am

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

so your telling me if you where a gm and had the number one pick now and had a choice between a young peyton and a young eli to build your franchise around you would pick eli?

I wouldn't pick either of them.

Billy86 · 17-04-2015 4:45am

helimachoptor wrote: »

I'll come back to this when Mett bests Rivers best ever season..

Perfect. When Mettenberger puts up a season like Rivers did in 2010 with a laundry list of injuries at WR/TE forcing them to sign guys off the street every few weeks, the 26th ranked offensive line in terms of pass blocking, and an average-at-best running game behind him... yeah, please do get back to me.

skippymac6 · 17-04-2015 11:18am

I think you have to factor in Wisenhunt's position here. He is coming off a very uneventful couple of years and this is most likely the make or break year in his head coach career. Bomb out this year and he could find himself in the wilderness a bit. He hasn't kicked on from the Cards SB appearance as a head coach. He could certainly get an OC job but I don't think that's where he sees himself. I think he knows this and given the opportunity to take a 7.5/8 out of 10 QB who has proven himself ahead of a guy that might be a 8/9 out of 10 or equally could be 3 out of 10 (whether that's Mettenberger or Winston/Mariota), I think you'd be wise to take Rivers. 6 or 7 games into the season and after the great win against the Hawks, Rivers was being talked up as the early MVP runner. I think people forget that. He's a very emotional guy who will bring a big locker room presence in there and immediately establish himself as a leader and the face of the franchise. The Titans have been middling since teh days of George and McNair. I think you take Rivers. I agree it is a gamble but you don't turn your nose up at franchise QB's when they come around, even if he might have 5 years or less left.

17-04-2015 11:19am

NotASheeple wrote: »

I wouldn't pick either of them.

good god are you a politician

if they where clearly the two best players in the draft and you needed a qb

adrian522 · 17-04-2015 11:30am

I like Rivers as a QB. I think he has been excellent for the chargers, even if he has had a few down seasons. I'd much prefer him to Mettenberger. I can't imagine him ever being a franchise QB, has more the look of a career backup to be honest.

I thought Rivers was really good in 2013 and if he could deliver that level of performance then the Titans should really pull the trigger on a trade. However I wouldn't give up their first round pick, maybe a 2nd round in 2015 and a second in 2015 or something like that.

2013 he had 4400 yards, 32 TD's and 11 Picks. Even last year he wasn't terrible, 4200/31/18. I think he'd be very good for the Titans.

helimachoptor · 17-04-2015 11:42am

Billy86 wrote: »

Perfect. When Mettenberger puts up a season like Rivers did in 2010 with a laundry list of injuries at WR/TE forcing them to sign guys off the street every few weeks, the 26th ranked offensive line in terms of pass blocking, and an average-at-best running game behind him... yeah, please do get back to me.

And what did his excellent 2010 year do for the Chargers? Not a thing of note, Chargers missed the play offs and have missed the play offs 4 of the last 5 seasons.

While 2010 he had injuries, yes he performed well. If the Titans were getting the 2010 Rivers and had a few more years i'd snap their hand off, they can take the 2nd overall pick but thats not the Rivers we're getting.

We'd get the Rivers 5 years older, 5 years more hits, sacks, bad falls and injures.

I roll the dice with Mett, younger, perhaps hungrier, not in a contract year, has his whole career ahead of him, can benefit from what should be a much more potent defense.

Perhaps i was a bit bullish on Metts potential being greater than Rivers accomplishments, but in the same vain Mett may break QB records here and there but its all about getting to the play offs, that is what counts.

Also every team gets injuries.. We did sign people off the street last year Will Svitek anyone :pac:

helimachoptor · 17-04-2015 11:43am

adrian522 wrote: »

I like Rivers as a QB. I think he has been excellent for the chargers, even if he has had a few down seasons. I'd much prefer him to Mettenberger. I can't imagine him ever being a franchise QB, has more the look of a career backup to be honest.

I thought Rivers was really good in 2013 and if he could deliver that level of performance then the Titans should really pull the trigger on a trade. However I wouldn't give up their first round pick, maybe a 2nd round in 2015 and a second in 2015 or something like that.

2013 he had 4400 yards, 32 TD's and 11 Picks. Even last year he wasn't terrible, 4200/31/18. I think he'd be very good for the Titans.

Sample size is too small to make that determination.

I think Adrian if the trade terms were changed to what you have their, it makes a trade much more realistic.

Chucky the tree · 17-04-2015 12:58pm

Trade for Rivers, trade for Peterson. Superbowl!

17-04-2015 1:03pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Trade for Rivers, trade for Peterson. Superbowl!

drool :eek: the thought of peterson to the cowboys still scares the crap out of me any team outside the nfc east take him please

Knex* · 17-04-2015 2:08pm

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

drool :eek: the thought of peterson to the cowboys still scares the crap out of me any team outside the nfc east take him please

Ah Jesus

Hadn't even crossed my mind till now.

Crap.

Leslie91 · 17-04-2015 2:08pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Top 6?

I have nine ahead of him, Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Wilson, Luck and Roethlisberger without question. I'd have Eli and Flacco ahead of him too because they have proven themselves in the playoffs.

He is on the same level as Matt Ryan, Ryan Tannehill and a couple of others.

Same level as Tannehill!?........... you're kidding right?

Leslie91 · 17-04-2015 2:11pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

If it came down to picking someone to win you a ring, I'd take the guy that's done it already over the guy who plays above average for most of the season.

Yeah rings are not the be all and end all, but what has Rivers done that makes him top 6?

I dunno bout top 6 but for one thing Rivers has never had a defense in SD and it's not like his O line has been magnificient apart from maybe 1 year when Dielman and McNeill were in their prime and LT running wild.

These others, esp Flacco and Eli have had defenses and O lines to compensate.

Leslie91 · 17-04-2015 2:13pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Perfect. When Mettenberger puts up a season like Rivers did in 2010 with a laundry list of injuries at WR/TE forcing them to sign guys off the street every few weeks, the 26th ranked offensive line in terms of pass blocking, and an average-at-best running game behind him... yeah, please do get back to me.

Billy86 knows his sh1T.

Knex* · 17-04-2015 2:16pm

Leslie91 wrote: »

Same level as Tannehill!?........... you're kidding right?

I agree, Rivers is better as of now. Sure last week I said I'd take him over Big Ben, but I really expect a breakout season of sorts from Tannehill next year.

Liked what I saw from him last season, tbh.

17-04-2015 2:18pm

Knex. wrote: »

Ah Jesus

Hadn't even crossed my mind till now.

Crap.

welcome to my nightmare. and frankly if yere receiving corp could kindly leave that would make the nfc east a hell of a lot more pleasant for me

helimachoptor · 17-04-2015 2:26pm

who takes him on with that massive contract though?

titans could afford it..

Knex* · 17-04-2015 2:39pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

who takes him on with that massive contract though?

titans could afford it..

30 year old RB too.

What's the figures like for his contract, though?

17-04-2015 3:01pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

who takes him on with that massive contract though?

titans could afford it..

any team that can afford him would at least have a look he's one of the great running backs

Knex. wrote: »

30 year old RB too.

What's the figures like for his contract, though?

yes he is 30 and he is a running back but this is the dude who came back from an acl and was in talk for mvp

Knex* · 17-04-2015 3:04pm

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

any team that can afford him would at least have a look he's one of the great running backs

yes he is 30 and he is a running back but this is the dude who came back from an acl and was in talk for mvp

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a god damn special player, and was a walk in hall of famer before the abuse scandal, but perhaps you'd want to make sure you have everything else in your team lined up before you go put that kind of money towards him, a 30 year old RB a year out of the game.

Could you imagine him with the Patriots? Now that would be bloody scary.

17-04-2015 3:11pm

Knex. wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a god damn special player, and was a walk in hall of famer before the abuse scandal, but you'd want to make sure you have everything else in your team lined up before you go put that kind of money towards him.

Could you imagine him with the Patriots? Now that would be bloody scary.

dont think the pats have cap room thank god that offence would be insane. there have been murmurs of cowboys and cardinals being interested either would be potentially good destinations for him.

nasty_crash · 17-04-2015 3:12pm

whatever happens and where ever he ends up - he is gonna get 20mill over 2 seasons! Its not like he did an awful lot last year - so 30 is not gonna be an issue! You also have to remember that its Adrian Peterson who was nailed on HOF before the abuse of his child!

He will get paid.... i personally think all this unhappiness is to force the vikes hand in giving him more guaranteed money!

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