Spartacus: Vengeance [Starz - US] Spoilers!

31-01-2012 1:37pm

I am a HUGE Spartacus fan but I felt the return of the new season was an anti-climax! The city is way too built-up/modern now - probably like a couple of hundred years later. Also, the Colosseum was too built up as well and some scenes seemed very dark.

I liked Spartacus because it was authentic and rustic, almost like a rough diamond. I feel that the new episode has lost this. Also, the men are physically smaller so as not to make the new Spartacus look tiny.

Finally, I was unimpressed with the gay scenes!!! I want more naked women, violence and authenticity! Lots of room for improvement in my opinion! But I will give it a few weeks and hope it gets better.

I hope the new season of Criminal Minds does not follow suit!

mikemac1 · 31-01-2012 1:58pm

Good to see Gannicus is coming back

PhiloCypher · 31-01-2012 6:30pm

07438991 wrote: »

I am a HUGE Spartacus fan but I felt the return of the new season was an anti-climax! The city is way too built-up/modern now - probably like a couple of hundred years later. Also, the Colosseum was too built up as well and some scenes seemed very dark.

Capua(and it is capua not rome you realize?) looks no more built up then it did in blood and sand imo , as for the dark scenes you mention(oenomaus being attacked?) they take place after the games in the arena(the Colosseum is in Rome) so it is likely late enough.

07438991 wrote: »

I liked Spartacus because it was authentic and rustic, almost like a rough diamond. I feel that the new episode has lost this. Also, the men are physically smaller so as not to make the new Spartacus look tiny.

Liam McIntyre is actually taller then Andy Whitfield if you're talking about height , he is granted not as buff , but I'm not seeing where you get the idea that the men are smaller this time round , I'm fairly sure they rehired all the same Gladiators/stuntmen that survived blood & Sand , are you referring to the non gladiator slaves ?

07438991 wrote: »

Finally, I was unimpressed with the gay scenes!!! I want more naked women, violence and authenticity! Lots of room for improvement in my opinion! But I will give it a few weeks and hope it gets better.

lol really ???? so the 10 second strapon scene ruined that 6 minute orgy of sex and violence in the brothel for you ?

Don't worry mate with Barca dead I imagine the gay scenes will be few and far between this season.

Clareman · 31-01-2012 9:03pm

By Jupiter's c0ck it's back as good as ever, what other show could combine sex and violence so well?

ednwireland · 01-02-2012 2:34pm

missed the first half hour :mad: all the listings i had said it was on thursday :mad:

quickbeam · 01-02-2012 8:23pm

opinion guy wrote: »

RIP Andy Whitfield though. I was surprised there wasn't some nod to him - a flashback or something

Well, there was a flashback to his sex scene with Illythia

I wonder will it emerge that Spartacus is her baby's dad. I can't remember how much time is meant to have passed between the two events though so maybe I'm clutching at straws.

I didn't like Andy's Spartacus in the first episode of the first series either but he totally grew on me over the course of the series and he's sorely missed now. I didn't like Liam in this episode either (something very caveman about this eyebrows - very distracting!) but maybe he'll grow on me over the course of the show.

opinion guy · 01-02-2012 8:45pm

quickbeam wrote: »

Well, there was a flashback to his sex scene with Illythia I wonder will it emerge that Spartacus is her baby's dad. I can't remember how much time is meant to have passed between the two events though so maybe I'm clutching at straws.

I didn't like Andy's Spartacus in the first episode of the first series either but he totally grew on me over the course of the series and he's sorely missed now. I didn't like Liam in this episode either (something very caveman about this eyebrows - very distracting!) but maybe he'll grow on me over the course of the show.

Haha yeah there was flashback but you couldn't see his face. Yes they pretty much plastered it across the screen that spartacus is the father. No doubt Xena will regain her memory at some point!

But yeah I also thought they could have put "In memory of Andy Whitfield" somewhere though to be fair I didn't watch all the credits

don ramo · 01-02-2012 8:59pm

opinion guy wrote: »

Haha yeah there was flashback but you couldn't see his face. Yes they pretty much plastered it across the screen that spartacus is the father. No doubt Xena will regain her memory at some point!

But yeah I also thought they could have put "In memory of Andy Whitfield" somewhere though to be fair I didn't watch all the credits

they did at the end of the episode i watched

opinion guy · 01-02-2012 9:09pm

don ramo wrote: »

they did at the end of the episode i watched

Just checked the recording - yeah so they did.
For any curious they put a headshot of Andy smiling with shirt and jacket on and the caption "Andy Whitfield 1971 - 2011. A champion on screen, a legend in our hearts."

Hmm it something but feels like they could have put it at the start of the credits or the start of the show

Spunk84 · 01-02-2012 10:17pm

lucy lawless was a great comeback, the orgy scene had ever sex fetish there could be, looks to be a good season. Just think they tried to get the new Spartacus to look like the old. but it grand

TheDoc · 02-02-2012 8:42pm

Any ideas on when Episode 2 is out,

Grabbed episode 1 there nearly two weeks ago at this stage....

JohnK · 02-02-2012 8:45pm

Episode 2 is due to air this Friday in the US

mochamajesty · 02-02-2012 10:05pm

I'm not sure how I feel about this season.

I love that Lucretia is back - but, she just won't be the same without Batiatus. These two play off of each other perfectly, and their interactions will be sorely missed.

The actor who portrays Glaber is no John Hannah (Batiatus), but he will do as the villain for now. I hope that the show focuses on Glaber more than the younger nobleman and his sister.

Liam is okay in the role, but I never really watched for Spartacus in the first place (I know, it's odd considering that Spartacus was the main character). I watched more for Batiatus/Lucretia and their political schemes. Even Crixus and his "relationships" with Lucretia/Naveia were more interesting. I could give a whit about Mira/Spartacus.

In summary, I give the pilot a 6. John Hannah's absence left a gaping hole, IMO. I will try to look past it, but I am not sure that I can.

PhiloCypher · 03-02-2012 12:48am

mochamajesty wrote: »

I'm not sure how I feel about this season.

I love that Lucretia is back - but, she just won't be the same without Batiatus. These two play off of each other perfectly, and their interactions will be sorely missed.

The actor who portrays Glaber is no John Hannah (Batiatus), but he will do as the villain for now. I hope that the show focuses on Glaber more than the younger nobleman and his sister.

Liam is okay in the role, but I never really watched for Spartacus in the first place (I know, it's odd considering that Spartacus was the main character). I watched more for Batiatus/Lucretia and their political schemes. Even Crixus and his "relationships" with Lucretia/Naveia were more interesting. I could give a whit about Mira/Spartacus.

In summary, I give the pilot a 6. John Hannah's absence left a gaping hole, IMO. I will try to look past it, but I am not sure that I can.

True enough but I have a feeling Ashur will make for an able replacement in time .

opinion guy · 03-02-2012 1:05am

PhiloCypher wrote: »

True enough but I have a feeling Ashur will make for an able replacement in time .

He wasn't in the episode was he ?
No guarantee he is in the season

mochamajesty · 03-02-2012 1:21am

PhiloCypher wrote: »

True enough but I have a feeling Ashur will make for an able replacement in time .

I respectfully disagree. I think that Ashur is a good villain, but he is nowhere near Batiatus' level. I hated Ashur last season as well, but with Batiatus I had a "love to hate" sort of thing going on.

Plus, he played so well off of Lucy Lawless, that to see one without the other is.... jarring. I guess one of them is better than nothing.

03-02-2012 10:44am

[QUOTE=PhiloCypher;

lol really ???? so the 10 second strapon scene ruined that 6 minute orgy of sex and violence in the brothel for you ?

Don't worry mate with Barca dead I imagine the gay scenes will be few and far between this season.[/QUOTE]

The 10 second strap on scene and the gay oral scene!!! Still don't think that the orgy scene was long enough...

Also, the two girls breasts look more saggy - not as perky as last season!

PhiloCypher · 03-02-2012 1:13pm

opinion guy wrote: »

PhiloCypher wrote: »

True enough but I have a feeling Ashur will make for an able replacement in time .

He wasn't in the episode was he ?
No guarantee he is in the season

He wasn't in the first ep but he will feature this season ,he's been in trailers and mentioned in interviews .

Cantona's Collars · 03-02-2012 6:37pm

ednwireland wrote: »

missed the first half hour :mad: all the listings i had said it was on thursday :mad:

It's on Sky 2 tonight at 11pm.

Ally Dick · 04-02-2012 1:16am

I thought John Hannah was shockingly poor as Batiatus. Every line was delivered at high volume, like he was reading from a script out loud. I have seen him in other films where he has been better e.g. Sliding Doors. I don't understand why he came across so amateurish in Spartacus

PhiloCypher · 04-02-2012 3:13am

Ally Dick wrote: »

I thought John Hannah was shockingly poor as Batiatus. Every line was delivered at high volume, like he was reading from a script out loud. I have seen him in other films where he has been better e.g. Sliding Doors. I don't understand why he came across so amateurish in Spartacus

The acting muscles required to pull off the character in sliding doors and spartacus are entirely different, one more visceral one more subtle neither is better then the other imo.

mikemac1 · 04-02-2012 3:22am

My ears hear a tempest but my eyes spy a wife gone fooking mad

Love that quote, it was all in the delivery

Batiatus is badly missed, show isn't the same without him

stevenmu · 04-02-2012 3:21pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

I thought John Hannah was shockingly poor as Batiatus. Every line was delivered at high volume, like he was reading from a script out loud. I have seen him in other films where he has been better e.g. Sliding Doors. I don't understand why he came across so amateurish in Spartacus

Personally I though he was fantastic and made the show what it was. He did play the role in kind of a stagey/thespian way, rather than going for a more natural manner. That may grate with some, but I thought it worked brilliantly and fit in perfectly with the highly stylised violence and gore, and the pseudo-historical type of dialog.

MungBean · 05-02-2012 12:53am

Second episode moving things along nicely.

Ashur you dirty rat bastard !!!!

mochamajesty · 05-02-2012 12:59am

I am trying to hang in there. But every time I see Lucy Lawless, I can't help but notice the gaping hole Batiatus left. This was really noticeable during the pissing contest between Glaber and YoungNobleman (forgot his name).

It was nice to see Oenamius' past, and I look forward to next week, now that he is united with Lucretia and Ashur.

I do wonder if Lucretia is faking; this episode left it ambiguous.

And they keep introducing new characters who I don't care about while I struggle to care about the remaining characters.

I will give it until the fourth episode.

opinion guy · 05-02-2012 1:27am

mochamajesty wrote: »

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Oi - use the spoiler function most people haven't seen this yet

mochamajesty · 05-02-2012 1:50am

opinion guy wrote: »

Oi - use the spoiler function most people haven't seen this yet

They haven't?

This airs at 10pm Eastern in the States; what timezone/date are we using?

I apologize, I didn't know.

Rovi · 05-02-2012 1:54am

This thread is for the [Starz - US] (see thread title) pace of the show, so I'd be of the opinion that the best part of a day later, spoiler tags are unnecessary.

titan18 · 05-02-2012 2:37am

opinion guy wrote: »

Oi - use the spoiler function most people haven't seen this yet

Don't come into the thread then

Kiwi_knock · 05-02-2012 4:03am

Very good episode, nice to see the back story of Oenomaus and the return of Ashur. Thought the new Spartacus was grand as well, however seems like the story of Spartacus is taking a back seat this season.

Still do not think Glaber is a good villain yet, no where near Batiatus. I even find myself hating Seppius more than him.

Overall it was a good episode plenty of blood anyway, there should be a bath scene with Ilithyia in every episode.

ziedth · 05-02-2012 4:45am

I reckon they will really regret killing off Batiatus come the end of the season. I havent seen S02E02 yet but In my own head I can imagine better storylines if he killed glaber and Batiatus got away last season. I'm sure in the end we won't care but IMHO they have missed a huge opportunity.

don ramo · 05-02-2012 1:53pm

opinion guy wrote: »

Oi - use the spoiler function most people haven't seen this yet

mochamajesty wrote: »

They haven't?

This airs at 10pm Eastern in the States; what timezone/date are we using?

I apologize, I didn't know.

Rovi wrote: »

This thread is for the [Starz - US] (see thread title) pace of the show, so I'd be of the opinion that the best part of a day later, spoiler tags are unnecessary.

yeah this airs first in the US so as long as aired you can talk freely about it, and if you havent then youll have to bite toungh and stay away

a good episode, i wonder though how big a part galber is gonna play this season, like most people i dont consider him a good bad guy, silvius ( i think that his name anyway) i think might play a bigger part,

loved the twist at the end of ashur and lucretia working together, it seems she hasnt forgotten anything and is still as devious as ever, biding her time, though i wouldnt mind galber slitting that snake ashurs throat next week,

i hope they find nevia soon and head back to capua, dont think they can stay out searching for her for that long without it having a negative affect on the story,

titan18 · 05-02-2012 3:13pm

don ramo wrote: »

yeah this airs first in the US so as long as aired you can talk freely about it, and if you havent then youll have to bite toungh and stay away

a good episode, i wonder though how big a part galber is gonna play this season, like most people i dont consider him a good bad guy, silvius ( i think that his name anyway) i think might play a bigger part,

loved the twist at the end of ashur and lucretia working together, it seems she hasnt forgotten anything and is still as devious as ever, biding her time, though i wouldnt mind galber slitting that snake ashurs throat next week,

i hope they find nevia soon and head back to capua, dont think they can stay out searching for her for that long without it having a negative affect on the story,

Reckon there'll be about 2 episodes,possibly 3 before they're back in Capua. Probably get the return of

Gannicus

in this period too.

Actually looking at the story, they might never return to Capua

PhiloCypher · 05-02-2012 10:39pm

ziedth wrote: »

I reckon they will really regret killing off Batiatus come the end of the season. I havent seen S02E02 yet but In my own head I can imagine better storylines if he killed glaber and Batiatus got away last season. I'm sure in the end we won't care but IMHO they have missed a huge opportunity.

Glaber is a historical figure so he was never gonna be killed off that early in the story, but I agree Batiatus is missed , he made Spartacus's somewhat idiosyncratic dialogue shine, something I feel Liam McIntyre is failing to do thus far, maybe it's just because he's not Andy but the grammar just seems unnecessarily complicated for me.

Another bugbear for me is how slight and unripped Liam McIntyre is compared to his fellow gladiators , he's actually is no more ripped then the house slaves the gladiators look down on , he seriously need's to bulk up for next season or at the very least wear armour so it doesn't stand out as much.

Kirby · 06-02-2012 1:36pm

titan18 wrote: »

Actually looking at the story, they might never return to Capua

Most of the sets are Capua based. They can reuse the villa and ludus and pretend they are different villa's as they have done that already. But they can't green screen the whole thing so I would imagine all of season 2 will be based around Capua.

PhiloCypher wrote: »

Another bugbear for me is how slight and unripped Liam McIntyre is compared to his fellow gladiators , he's actually is no more ripped then the house slaves the gladiators look down on , he seriously need's to bulk up for next season or at the very least wear armour so it doesn't stand out as much.

No doubt about it. He only had a few months to bulk up and it shows. He is taller than Andy aswell which makes it more noticable. 90% of the cast are roid fiends so he looks hopelessly out of place. I would imagine he will be more buff for season 3.

Personally, I'm glad it's been revealed that Lucretia is faking it and just playing mad. Devious villans are way more fun than crazy villans.

titan18 · 06-02-2012 8:40pm

Kirby wrote: »

Most of the sets are Capua based. They can reuse the villa and ludus and pretend they are different villa's as they have done that already. But they can't green screen the whole thing so I would imagine all of season 2 will be based around Capua.

I imagine a lot of it will be in Capua, but I don't think Spartacus will be back there much.

opinion guy · 07-02-2012 2:08am

opinion guy wrote: »

Oi - use the spoiler function most people haven't seen this yet

mochamajesty wrote: »

They haven't?

This airs at 10pm Eastern in the States; what timezone/date are we using?

I apologize, I didn't know.

Rovi wrote: »

This thread is for the [Starz - US] (see thread title) pace of the show, so I'd be of the opinion that the best part of a day later, spoiler tags are unnecessary.

titan18 wrote: »

Don't come into the thread then

I'm sorry are we on boards.us ?????

Hmm no no we are not. This is an Irish site. The show airs on Sky here on a monday night, so unless you guys are in the US or you know illegally downloading it, most people on here won't have seen it till the monday night. Oh yes there is US in the title of this thread - so what - there isn't any other active Spartacus thread on boards.

Reporting this post myself FAO mods. Jeesh guys show a little common sense and curtesy for othere boardsies please would ya ? Tis a very small inconvenience to use spoiler tags

Richard Dower · 07-02-2012 2:17am

Ratings for the first two eps. are well up on the other two series: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/02/06/friday-cable-ratings-gold-rush-still-tops-spartacus-vengeance-premiere-smackdown-bering-sea-gold-merlin-more-2/118793/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29

titan18 · 07-02-2012 2:49am

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm sorry are we on boards.us ?????

Hmm no no we are not. This is an Irish site. The show airs on Sky here on a monday night, so unless you guys are in the US or you know illegally downloading it, most people on here won't have seen it till the monday night. Oh yes there is US in the title of this thread - so what - there isn't any other active Spartacus thread on boards.

Reporting this post myself FAO mods. Jeesh guys show a little common sense and curtesy for othere boardsies please would ya ? Tis a very small inconvenience to use spoiler tags

It says Spoilers in the thread title,so if you come in here,expect spoilers. It says Starz-US which shows you what air dates it's going on. That's how it always works.

It may not be much of an inconvenience to use spoiler tags, but it's not an inconvenience for you not to come in here until you've seen the latest episode.

mochamajesty · 07-02-2012 2:56am

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm sorry are we on boards.us ?????

Hmm no no we are not. This is an Irish site. The show airs on Sky here on a monday night, so unless you guys are in the US or you know illegally downloading it, most people on here won't have seen it till the monday night. Oh yes there is US in the title of this thread - so what - there isn't any other active Spartacus thread on boards.

Reporting this post myself FAO mods. Jeesh guys show a little common sense and curtesy for othere boardsies please would ya ? Tis a very small inconvenience to use spoiler tags

I read the charter before posting and nowhere does it specify that we have to wait until the episode aired in Ireland. A mod posted in this thread that spoiler tags are unnecessary. What more do you need

And speaking of courtesy, the tone of your posts could use some.

Richard Dower · 07-02-2012 3:00am

^ thread clearly states US - ergo at US pace which is episode 2.....if yer watching on TV3 or Sky just wait a few days, simples.

Galwayguy35 · 07-02-2012 7:15am

The new blonde slave girl is a nice bit of eye candy...

opinion guy · 07-02-2012 8:56am

Oh I see you are insisting on some strange nonsensical rules that only TV forum regulars would know. I'll just unfollow the only Spartacus thread on boards, you know an Irish based website where the vast majority of members only get Irish tv times - I weep for the poor boards randomers who will wander in here having searched for spartacus, ignorant of the intricacies of TV forum rules as I once was, finding only this thread and then learning thing they didn't want to know yet.

Still, I suppose you guys will know this pain when you subscribe to The Frontline and Vincent Brown threads and they haven't yet aired in the US.

mikemac1 · 07-02-2012 9:01am

Glaber has the most menacing voice, just downright threatening

With Batatius gone he's the best actor on the show

Mr E · 07-02-2012 9:18am

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm sorry are we on boards.us ?????

Hmm no no we are not. This is an Irish site. The show airs on Sky here on a monday night, so unless you guys are in the US or you know illegally downloading it, most people on here won't have seen it till the monday night. Oh yes there is US in the title of this thread - so what - there isn't any other active Spartacus thread on boards.

I've started a new thread for those who are watching on Sky. Hopefully that will solve the issue.

opinion guy · 07-02-2012 4:40pm

Mr E wrote: »

I've started a new thread for those who are watching on Sky. Hopefully that will solve the issue.

Oh right thanks Mr E.
Sound mods here I must say

Jeesh I'll have to think of semi-intelligent stuff to actually say now!

don ramo · 07-02-2012 4:45pm

opinion guy wrote: »

Oh I see you are insisting on some strange nonsensical rules that only TV forum regulars would know. I'll just unfollow the only Spartacus thread on boards, you know an Irish based website where the vast majority of members only get Irish tv times - I weep for the poor boards randomers who will wander in here having searched for spartacus, ignorant of the intricacies of TV forum rules as I once was, finding only this thread and then learning thing they didn't want to know yet.

Still, I suppose you guys will know this pain when you subscribe to The Frontline and Vincent Brown threads and they haven't yet aired in the US.

so make and ireland pace thread, simples:D

Mr E · 07-02-2012 5:20pm

No worries.... I'm just glad you didn't say it this way:

opinion guy wrote: »

Oh right thanks Mr E.
Semi-intelligent mods here I must say
Jeesh I'll have to think of sound stuff to actually say now!

Richard Dower · 07-02-2012 5:27pm

Mr E wrote: »

No worries.... I'm just glad you didn't say it this way:

You're mad to lash the ban hammer....aren't ya?

somuj · 07-02-2012 5:35pm

Very amusing thread this is.

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