Carl Froch vs George Groves

NUTZZ · 21-11-2013 2:22pm

That was so cringy, embarrassing to watch!

MD1990 · 21-11-2013 2:29pm

i really hope Froch loses
don't see it happening though

Utopia Parkway · 21-11-2013 2:37pm

MD1990 wrote: »

i really hope Froch loses
don't see it happening though

Yeah he will probably win alright although it's amusing to see how much Groves has got under his skin.

Was funny when Froch complained about Groves not showing any respect and then Groves goes "hang on, in your last fight you said you were going to kill your opponent in the ring".:D

supersean1999 · 21-11-2013 2:44pm

Groves has Froch number in the verbals. Imo this is 2 fights 1 yr to soon for him. I just think he needs two more tough 12 rd fights to have the stamina to outbox Froch. Im really Sick of Froch. Inyeresting how he said ward will go his whole career unbeaten. He obviously does not fancy a rematch

supersean1999 · 21-11-2013 2:46pm

Groves has Froch number in the verbals. Imo this is 2 fights 1 yr to soon for him. I just think he needs two more tough 12 rd fights to have the stamina to outbox Froch. Im really Sick of Froch. Inyeresting how he said ward will go his whole career unbeaten. He obviously does not fancy a rematch

prettyboy81 · 21-11-2013 3:05pm

In ring walk for this fight is approx 10.45pm. The Hearn fella tweeted this earlier today.

SlickRic · 21-11-2013 6:26pm

Groves is being petty with his schoolyard bully tactics.

however, Froch has been made look like a child by his inability to answer easy enough questions.

Groves has said very little that's disrespectful compared to Froch.

also, Froch's incessant need to paint himself as the good guy whose going to beat Groves on behalf of the British public, well, it comes across quite needy.

jayod30 · 21-11-2013 6:28pm

supersean1999 wrote: »

. Inyeresting how he said ward will go his whole career unbeaten. He obviously does not fancy a rematch

It's a bit of both really. Ward made it clear after Frochs victory over Kessler that he didn't see a rematch happen in the near future. Nothing to do with Frochs lack of willingness but more that Ward doesn't see it as a big fight for him, he has other targets in mind. That and the big stumbling block that is Ward wants to stay stateside (where the $$$ is) and Froch will want a rematch at home

supersean1999 · 21-11-2013 6:39pm

jayod30 wrote: »

It's a bit of both really. Ward made it clear after his victory over Kessler that he didn't see a rematch happen in the near future. Nothing to do with Frochs lack of willingness but more that Ward doesn't see it as a big fight for him, he has other targets in mind. That and the big stumbling block that is Ward wants to stay stateside (where the $$$ is) and Froch will want a rematch at home

Well i renember ward saying If Eddie hearn wants the fight pick up the phone. froch
Has decided and rightly so that he will make excuses not ti fight ward. I cant blame him

JacksonHeightsOwn · 21-11-2013 7:59pm

el flaco wrote: »

I just caught a few minutes of that show this morning and it did seem very lifeless. He was just wandering around the gym in a hoodie and then headed off to buy a pork chop. It didn't inspire confidence. Maybe it's all part of the mystique and when the cameras are gone he's training like a mad man?
Is there any word on who his sparring partners are?

I heard groves is sparring Eubanks and cleverly.

I'll be honest I haven't seen Eubanks because of the while channel 5 thing. But cleverly is a useful double for Froch imo. He had a similar come forward style.

I still think Froch will win though.

megadodge · 21-11-2013 8:35pm

jayod30 wrote: »

It's a bit of both really. Ward made it clear after Frochs victory over Kessler that he didn't see a rematch happen in the near future. Nothing to do with Frochs lack of willingness but more that Ward doesn't see it as a big fight for him, he has other targets in mind. That and the big stumbling block that is Ward wants to stay stateside (where the $$$ is) and Froch will want a rematch at home

If Ward fights Froch in England he will most definitely be paid more than he would if he fights him again in the USA.
Like virtually all top Americans Ward won't fight outside his home country, yet expects everyone else to do exactly that.

megadodge · 21-11-2013 8:37pm

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I heard groves is sparring Eubanks and cleverly.

I'll be honest I haven't seen Eubanks because of the while channel 5 thing. But cleverly is a useful double for Froch imo. He had a similar come forward style.

I still think Froch will win though.

Can't see much similarity myself. Cleverley tends to get close then throws fast, light combinations. Froch stays on the outside and is much more sparing with his heavier punches.

gene_tunney · 21-11-2013 8:47pm

megadodge wrote: »

If Ward fights Froch in England he will most definitely be paid more than he would if he fights him again in the USA.
Like virtually all top Americans Ward won't fight outside his home country, yet expects everyone else to do exactly that.

Ward is the champ, you have to go and get that title and can't expect him to come to your back yard.

supersean1999 · 21-11-2013 9:41pm

Its matterless ward Would beat him in his own gym. Froch wont push for the fight. He will use the ward wont travel excuse. Its more possible to see kessler 3 . Which is à shame because kessler is finished

21-11-2013 9:41pm

Watching this bull**** must be what it's like to be a primary school teacher in the yard at lunchtime.

jayod30 · 21-11-2013 9:44pm

megadodge wrote: »

If Ward fights Froch in England he will most definitely be paid more than he would if he fights him again in the USA.
Like virtually all top Americans Ward won't fight outside his home country, yet expects everyone else to do exactly that.

I agree most don't want to fight outside the US but also television deals have a lot to do with it. The audience base in the US far eclipses that of the UK, hence what brings in the money and that's why if you want to be big you move to the US. Fighting in the UK time wise just doesn't suit the American audience, hence the purse will never be as big

jayod30 · 21-11-2013 9:49pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Ward is the champ, you have to go and get that title and can't expect him to come to your back yard.

Ward doesn't hold a belt so technically, Froch is the champ :-)

walshb · 21-11-2013 10:24pm

Ward has nothing to prove. If Froch is so eager to redeem himself he should travel anywhere to do it.

el flaco · 21-11-2013 10:35pm

Fight Schedule from the match room site

5:20pm
Scotty Cardle v Kryzsztof Szot
8 x 3 mins Lightweight Contest

6:00pm
Rocky Fielding v Luke Blackledge
12 x 3 mins Commonwealth Super Middleweight title

Kal Yafai v Abigail Medina
6 x 3 mins Super-Flyweight Contest

Jamie McDonnell v Bernard Inom
8 x 3 mins Bantamweight Contest

Stephen Smith v Sergio Manuel Medina
10 x 3 mins Vacant WBC International Silver Super Featherweight title

Luke Campbell v Morgan Duthes
6 x 3 mins Lightweight contest

Anthony Crolla v Stephen Foster Jr.
12 x 3 mins WBO Inter-Continental Lightweight title

Andy Lee v Ferenc Hafner
6 or 8 x 3 mins Middleweight Contest

Scott Quigg v Diego Silva
12 x 3 mins WBA Super Bantamweight title

By 11:00pm
Carl Froch v George Groves
12 x 3 mins WBA and IBF Super Middleweight titles

gene_tunney · 22-11-2013 1:08am

jayod30 wrote: »

Ward doesn't hold a belt so technically, Froch is the champ :-)

Belts don't matter in boxing. Froch wouldn't bear Ward in a month of Sundays.

Henno30 · 22-11-2013 1:15am

el flaco wrote: »

Fight Schedule from the match room site

5:20pm
Scotty Cardle v Kryzsztof Szot
8 x 3 mins Lightweight Contest

6:00pm
Rocky Fielding v Luke Blackledge
12 x 3 mins Commonwealth Super Middleweight title

Kal Yafai v Abigail Medina
6 x 3 mins Super-Flyweight Contest

Jamie McDonnell v Bernard Inom
8 x 3 mins Bantamweight Contest

Stephen Smith v Sergio Manuel Medina
10 x 3 mins Vacant WBC International Silver Super Featherweight title

Luke Campbell v Morgan Duthes
6 x 3 mins Lightweight contest

Anthony Crolla v Stephen Foster Jr.
12 x 3 mins WBO Inter-Continental Lightweight title

Andy Lee v Ferenc Hafner
6 or 8 x 3 mins Middleweight Contest

Scott Quigg v Diego Silva
12 x 3 mins WBA Super Bantamweight title

By 11:00pm
Carl Froch v George Groves
12 x 3 mins WBA and IBF Super Middleweight titles

Lee is well up the running order. Nice one. Hopefully he takes this dude out quickly and gets himself back in the public eye again. It's been too long.

megadodge · 22-11-2013 1:21am

I think ye are missing my point.
In fairness it was a general one not exclusively about Ward, but anyway I'm pretty certain that the interest in a Ward/Froch fight if held in England would be enormous over here, being hyped by Sky etc., while getting much the same interest over there, whereas if it was held in the US I don't think the interest over there would be any different, but the interest from this side would be far less. Ward is not a big draw. Plus the really big fights this side are often held at very late hours to accommodate US TV. All that = more $$ for Ward to fight Froch in England. That's why so many champs in the past fought round the world - money!!

Two of the most popular boxers in the world (that's the entire globe, not just the US) are from the Ukraine and they earn huge sums of money, so this bullsh!t about you can only earn big in the US doesn't cut it anymore. Ricky Hatton was already a millionaire before he even fought for a world title.

In relation to Ward proving himself, Ali had nothing to prove fighting almost everywhere, nor did Sugar Ray Robinson during his European tour. It has nothing to do with that, but if you want to be picky, it would be nice to see how Ward would cope fighting on the other side of the world in a different timezone, maybe different language or different culture instead of in his own backyard all the time. I personally think he'd do fine, but it would be nice to see it.

Big Ears · 22-11-2013 1:42am

Lee is very high up that running order indeed. Matchroom clearly have plans involving him (I'm aware Dibella is his US promoter), makes Lee vs Macklin in Dublin, March 2014 seem that bit more likely.

Henno30 · 22-11-2013 1:46am

Big Ears wrote: »

Lee is very high up that running order indeed. Matchroom clearly have plans involving him (I'm aware Dibella is his US promoter), makes Lee vs Macklin in Dublin, March 2014 seem that bit more likely.

Hope so man. Just hope to god it's not Golovkin.

walshb · 22-11-2013 10:17am

megadodge wrote: »

In relation to Ward proving himself, Ali had nothing to prove fighting almost everywhere, nor did Sugar Ray Robinson during his European tour. It has nothing to do with that, but if you want to be picky, it would be nice to see how Ward would cope fighting on the other side of the world in a different timezone, maybe different language or different culture instead of in his own backyard all the time. I personally think he'd do fine, but it would be nice to see it.

I can see this side of the debate perfectly. In relation to Froch, he should be the one chasing Ward everywhere IF he is serious about a fight and serious about revenge!

el flaco · 22-11-2013 12:30pm

In relation to the whole Andre Ward fighting in America, money, popularity etc. etc.

Dan Rafael reported:

According to Nielsen, last Sat's Ward-Rodriguez fight on HBO drew 1.2M viewers, peaking at 1.3M. Considering HBO paid $3.15M that's poor.

It's always a little hard to gauge, but the venue didn't look like it was packed to the rafters either and it's not like they were fighting in the backend of nowhere as the venue was close to Ward's supposed fanbase. HBO can't be happy with this?

I know it wasn't exactly a mega fight, but for the pound for pound number 2 fighter in the world this is all a bit underwhelming. And it doesn't seem like a blip either.
There are definitely cases to be made for each side of the 'Ward travelling/not travelling abroad to fight' argument. The one thing that can be said about Froch though is that he fills arenas and generates interest.

I'd love to see a breakdown of the financial rewards from each location though to see just how much more beneficial a US-based fight would actually be. There are so many factors involved - TV money, gate receipts, casino money etc - and i'd love to know just how big a gap there is between the markets rather than hear sweeping statements.

walshb · 22-11-2013 12:37pm

Ward is just not fan friendly or appealing when inside the ring. No single trait stands out as extraordinary.

MD1990 · 22-11-2013 1:20pm

Groces has definitly rattled Froch. Froch comes across as very arrogant in this video

jayod30 · 22-11-2013 3:45pm

el flaco wrote: »

In relation to the whole Andre Ward fighting in America, money, popularity etc. etc.

Dan Rafael reported:

It's always a little hard to gauge, but the venue didn't look like it was packed to the rafters either and it's not like they were fighting in the backend of nowhere as the venue was close to Ward's supposed fanbase. HBO can't be happy with this?

I know it wasn't exactly a mega fight, but for the pound for pound number 2 fighter in the world this is all a bit underwhelming. And it doesn't seem like a blip either.
There are definitely cases to be made for each side of the 'Ward travelling/not travelling abroad to fight' argument. The one thing that can be said about Froch though is that he fills arenas and generates interest.

I'd love to see a breakdown of the financial rewards from each location though to see just how much more beneficial a US-based fight would actually be. There are so many factors involved - TV money, gate receipts, casino money etc - and i'd love to know just how big a gap there is between the markets rather than hear sweeping statements.

I think the fact that all UK boxers at some point try to break into the US boxing scene speaks volumes in itself. That and every pundit on television says if you want to make it to the bigtime you have to break into the US. They can't all be wrong now, can they? Amir Khan, prime example, even after his two defeats he's still making more money over in the US than any boxer over this side of the pond

gene_tunney · 22-11-2013 3:47pm

Froch and Groves both looked nervous at weigh in

Pighead · 22-11-2013 5:05pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Froch and Groves both looked nervous at weigh in

What?! Froch looked as relaxed as I've seen him throughout the whole build up. He didn't look nervous at all. Groves looked a bit shook alright.

Johner · 22-11-2013 5:14pm

I thought Groves looked grand, in the staredown he looked straight at him while Froch kept moving to say something in his ear.

jayod30 · 22-11-2013 5:28pm

I think the first 1 or 2 rounds will be a nervy affair for both boxers but once those initial rounds are out of the way I can see Froch assert his authority

Alpha Dog 1 · 22-11-2013 5:53pm

5 euro sur-charge if ordered after 12 pm tonight, what a load of cock.

ebbsy · 22-11-2013 5:58pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

5 euro sur-charge if ordered after 12 pm tonight, what a load of cock.

HDMI Cable it is then.

Johner · 22-11-2013 5:59pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

5 euro sur-charge if ordered after 12 pm tonight, what a load of cock.

Think thats only if you order by phone.

walshb · 22-11-2013 6:06pm

I believe it doesn't matter how you order. If you order on the day it's an extra 5 euro.

Alpha Dog 1 · 22-11-2013 6:26pm

ebbsy wrote: »

HDMI Cable it is then.

Yeah but it's annoying trying to find a decent steam especially on a woeful Internet connection!

Johner · 22-11-2013 6:33pm

walshb wrote: »

I believe it doesn't matter how you order. If you order on the day it's an extra 5 euro.

It says €5 surcharge if you order by phone after midnight tonight on the preview shows.

el flaco · 22-11-2013 6:33pm

Johner wrote: »

Think thats only if you order by phone.

Yep.

Do people still order by phone these days?

megadodge · 22-11-2013 7:29pm

el flaco wrote: »

Yep.

Do people still order by phone these days?

Yep.

They sure do.

Especially if they don't have a landline, like an awful lot of newer built houses now don't bother having.

Henno30 · 22-11-2013 10:01pm

Any craic at the weigh-in? Rachael didn't knock Paddy Fitz's hat off or anything like that?

HigginsJ · 22-11-2013 10:09pm

Just ordered online. I know "fool & his money soon parted" but really looking forward to it. Go Froch

doublejj · 22-11-2013 10:31pm

going to fight...flight at 14.55 looking forward to it i hope groves goes well but have put fifty on carl rounds 7 to 12..

jayod30 · 22-11-2013 10:33pm

doublejj wrote: »

going to fight...flight at 14.55 looking forward to it i hope groves goes well but have put fifty on carl rounds 7 to 12..

Money well spent or earned should I say;)

doublejj · 22-11-2013 10:43pm

i hope so...the men arena going to be something else...last fight i got too was carl frampton belfast feb,so been a while..andy will have easy fight

Johner · 23-11-2013 12:04am

If Groves wins tomorrow I will celebrate with a feast of cans. If he loses I will drown my sorrows with a feast of cans.

johnfaul · 23-11-2013 12:55am

doublejj wrote: »

going to fight...flight at 14.55 looking forward to it i hope groves goes well but have put fifty on carl rounds 7 to 12..

Put 30 myself on the same!

but1er · 23-11-2013 1:36am

the full shilling in finglas is showing the fight in finglas area

walshb · 23-11-2013 1:01pm

but1er wrote: »

the full shilling in finglas is showing the fight in finglas area

The Full Shilling in Finglas is in the Finglas area? Go way ouha that;)

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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