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**Why you should insist on RGI. when working with gas**

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  • #102
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    thanks for the welcome gary. in answer to your question i havent brushed up on the irish regs yet ive had a lot on with the new house here been hectic this last few months but i'll get round to it with interest. the guy i spoke to at bord gais networks when i done my mutual recognition swore blind that gassafe and rgii are effectivley 1 and the same which going by what ive found out speaking to people and readin this forum is not very accurate. i cant believe that another RGI can just come and uncap ur "opinion" basically. Surely thats up to RGII (being the regularatry body and all) that leaves the whole system up for abuse for example i walk into a house to service/repair a boiler i walk in see a gas fire theres soot up the wall gas pissing out the fitting, poc hanging like a big black cloud (slightly exageratted i know) i shut it down. the owners say its christmas we want a roaring fire so they fone joe bloggs from the yellow pages say they'll give him 200 quid to uncap it and he does.......... the industry needs heavy regulation in my opinion and as you say legal issues be brought up. in my opinion we can all learn and in my experience i learned everyday as, if i came up against an unfamiliar boiler or just general unfamiliar problem then the mobile came out everyday is a school day as they say. though just wish i could get a public liability qoute from SOMEBODY ffs its like pulling hens teeth


  • #103
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    lilywhitebhoy wrote: »
    thanks for the welcome gary. in answer to your question i havent brushed up on the irish regs yet ive had a lot on with the new house here been hectic this last few months but i'll get round to it with interest. the guy i spoke to at bord gais networks when i done my mutual recognition swore blind that gassafe and rgii are effectivley 1 and the same which going by what ive found out speaking to people and readin this forum is not very accurate. i cant believe that another RGI can just come and uncap ur "opinion" basically. Surely thats up to RGII (being the regularatry body and all) that leaves the whole system up for abuse for example i walk into a house to service/repair a boiler i walk in see a gas fire theres soot up the wall gas pissing out the fitting, poc hanging like a big black cloud (slightly exageratted i know) i shut it down. the owners say its christmas we want a roaring fire so they fone joe bloggs from the yellow pages say they'll give him 200 quid to uncap it and he does.......... the industry needs heavy regulation in my opinion and as you say legal issues be brought up. in my opinion we can all learn and in my experience i learned everyday as, if i came up against an unfamiliar boiler or just general unfamiliar problem then the mobile came out everyday is a school day as they say. though just wish i could get a public liability qoute from SOMEBODY ffs its like pulling hens teeth

    Did u try Arachas for the insurance? Mine was 570 ish if I remember correctly


  • #104
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    no havent even heard of them to be honest 570 seems alrite


  • #105
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    lilywhitebhoy wrote: »
    no havent even heard of them to be honest 570 seems alrite

    Ye it's the best around as far as I can see


  • #106
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    thanks for the heads up i cant even get a callback from some insurers. whats the limit i need? is it 5 mill like the uk? im asking because i tried to get 1 qoute online that gave me 2.6mill or 6 mill as an option?? btw thanks for the replys


  • #107
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    just went to their site thanks i'll wait for their response


  • #108
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    lilywhitebhoy wrote: »
    just went to their site thanks i'll wait for their response

    Don't mind the online site. Ring Monday morning. Nearly sure your lookin for the 6/13 mil figures. Just tell them what work you'll be doin nd they'll do the rest


  • #109
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    dead on dtp thanks for the advice i will do that 6 mill it is so


  • #110
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    lilywhitebhoy wrote: »
    thanks for the welcome gary. in answer to your question i havent brushed up on the irish regs yet ive had a lot on with the new house here been hectic this last few months but i'll get round to it with interest. the guy i spoke to at bord gais networks when i done my mutual recognition swore blind that gassafe and rgii are effectivley 1 and the same which going by what ive found out speaking to people and readin this forum is not very accurate. i cant believe that another RGI can just come and uncap ur "opinion" basically. Surely thats up to RGII (being the regularatry body and all) that leaves the whole system up for abuse for example i walk into a house to service/repair a boiler i walk in see a gas fire theres soot up the wall gas pissing out the fitting, poc hanging like a big black cloud (slightly exageratted i know) i shut it down. the owners say its christmas we want a roaring fire so they fone joe bloggs from the yellow pages say they'll give him 200 quid to uncap it and he does.......... the industry needs heavy regulation in my opinion and as you say legal issues be brought up. in my opinion we can all learn and in my experience i learned everyday as, if i came up against an unfamiliar boiler or just general unfamiliar problem then the mobile came out everyday is a school day as they say. though just wish i could get a public liability qoute from SOMEBODY ffs its like pulling hens teeth


    Mutual recognition is a waste of money(it was for me) as it only lasts as long as your ACS and you will then have to resit again.

    The fundamental difference in working here and the UK is here you have gasmans discretion:eek: which is reliant on training and experience, so new entrants with a couple of weeks training are put in a position where mistakes can be made through no fault of their own that could end a life. In the UK you do what the books says and there is no room for second guessing your regs.

    Coming from the Uk you will find the lack of interest (by some) in good working practise a bit of a problem, it's up to each individual RGI to determine their own working practise,there are some very very good RGI's here but as the industry isn't policed bad RGI's and cowboys are free to do their ting.


  • #111
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    Welcome aboard. Once you have your RGII registration sorted, PM DGOBS with your RGI number to access the RGI Tech Forum. Great support there from fellow RGI's.

    Most guys will be with Arachas (www.arachas.ie) for their Trademaster package. It is the most competitive in the country & covers you for nearly all requirements. If you will not be employing, you won't need the €13.5M EL cover but just the €6.5M PL.
    They will also send through your Insurance Cert to all relevant bodies as it renews annually, such as RGII & SEAI. Saves a lot of messing each year.


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  • #112
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    gary71 wrote: »
    Mutual recognition is a waste of money(it was for me) as it only lasts as long as your ACS and you will then have to resit again.

    The fundamental difference in working here and the UK is here you have gasmans discretion:eek: which is reliant on training and experience, so new entrants with a couple of weeks training are put in a position where mistakes can be made through no fault of their own that could end a life. In the UK you do what the books says and there is no room for second guessing your regs.

    Coming from the Uk you will find the lack of interest (by some) in good working practise a bit of a problem, it's up to each individual RGI to determine their own working practise,there are some very very good RGI's here but as the industry isn't policed bad RGI's and cowboys are free to do their ting.

    oaft thats some scary situations right there lol. yep im used to going by the book suits me i can sleep well at night.


  • #113
    lilywhitebhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭lilywhitebhoy


    shane0007 wrote: »
    Welcome aboard. Once you have your RGII registration sorted, PM DGOBS with your RGI number to access the RGI Tech Forum. Great support there from fellow RGI's.

    Most guys will be with Arachas (www.arachas.ie) for their Trademaster package. It is the most competitive in the country & covers you for nearly all requirements. If you will not be employing, you won't need the €13.5M EL cover but just the €6.5M PL.
    They will also send through your Insurance Cert to all relevant bodies as it renews annually, such as RGII & SEAI. Saves a lot of messing each year.

    yea i will do that when i get sorted thanks shane. got dealing with Arachas today guy seemed decent enough (for an insurance salesman lol) reasonable rate so should be all systems go in no time thanks for the heads up


  • #114
    QBE
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 225 ✭✭QBE


    DGOBS wrote: »
    Its your (our) industry, and only people like yourselves can change it.

    Join the committees, attend the meetings, comment and submit on the white papers, band together and apply for the tender when rgii is up for renewal, force the change, do no accept drive-by inspections report them to CER and on and on........

    Newbies to the industry is a good thing, by the entry requirement drastically need to change, also the certification, how can a non-plumber hold a GID cert, there should be a separate technician cert or something to distinguish gas plumbers from someone say trained as an appliance technician with gas safety training.

    Is this still going on? Is there any kind of legislation going to be put in place to stop this or even been considered?


  • #115
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    See the plumber who was charged with manslaughter over the death of the woman in Kinsale yesterday, very tragic story. Just proves once again, in this work its a matter of life and death.


  • #116
    rebeve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    Have to say as a consumer my interaction with the RGI was nothing short of a joke .


  • #117
    Billy Bunting
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Billy Bunting


    rebeve wrote: »
    Have to say as a consumer my interaction with the RGI was nothing short of a joke .

    Not exactly constructive criticism, perhaps you would expand on the joke?


  • #118
    scudo2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,008 ✭✭✭scudo2


    rebeve wrote: »
    Have to say as a consumer my interaction with the RGI was nothing short of a joke .

    That's becouse there gas men!


  • #119
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    One reason people use non-RGI installers is that there's really nowhere that has a plain, direct, honest price list for parts and installation in typical houses of various sizes. So people say "Oh, the hell with the risible grant and its RGI installers, I've had three varying quotes, I'll take this one".
    If there were more plain speaking and straight dealing, customers would know where they were.


  • #120
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    One reason people use non-RGI installers is that there's really nowhere that has a plain, direct, honest price list for parts and installation in typical houses of various sizes. So people say "Oh, the hell with the risible grant and its RGI installers, I've had three varying quotes, I'll take this one".
    If there were more plain speaking and straight dealing, customers would know where they were.

    I do love a bit of generalisation to start the week, so thanks for that.

    I know lots of RGI's who do exactly what your asking for, quotes can be different because the RGI is not always quoting same for same which is sometimes lost on the householder.

    Why would anybody want to use a "non-RGI" a tradesman who hasn't met the most basic of safety requirements.


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  • #121
    JohnnieK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JohnnieK


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    One reason people use non-RGI installers is that there's really nowhere that has a plain, direct, honest price list for parts and installation in typical houses of various sizes. So people say "Oh, the hell with the risible grant and its RGI installers, I've had three varying quotes, I'll take this one".
    If there were more plain speaking and straight dealing, customers would know where they were.

    Every house is different, it's not a washing machine there buying. Some houses are very costly to zone for the grant and others are not. People should ask for a broken down quote and not just an email with the price on it.


  • #122
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    JohnnieK wrote: »
    Every house is different, it's not a washing machine there buying. Some houses are very costly to zone for the grant and others are not. People should ask for a broken down quote and not just an email with the price on it.

    True, and every book is different, but I can give a rough estimate of the work editing a book of a certain length will be, within the border of a low figure for a skilfully written book by an experienced writer and a book full of grammatical mistakes and plot holes but with fantastic possibilities by an inexperienced, semi-educated writer.

    I've just had a job costed by three different plumbers, at €1,200, €2,000 and €2,200. Then one of them turns up and has measured the space wrong, and says because of this the boiler will be €400 dearer…


  • #123
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    Nowadays everybody knows the price of everything & the value of nothing!


  • #124
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    I've just had a job costed by three different plumbers, at €1,200, €2,000 and €2,200. Then one of them turns up and has measured the space wrong, and says because of this the boiler will be €400 dearer…

    The €1,200 one is a "hang it on the wall, if the light comes on, it's a good 'un". The other two are closer to the mark. Most likely both Powerflushing, new digital timeclock, new suitable room stat & a decent quality boiler.


  • #125
    JohnnieK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JohnnieK


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    True, and every book is different, but I can give a rough estimate of the work editing a book of a certain length will be, within the border of a low figure for a skilfully written book by an experienced writer and a book full of grammatical mistakes and plot holes but with fantastic possibilities by an inexperienced, semi-educated writer.

    I've just had a job costed by three different plumbers, at €1,200, €2,000 and €2,200. Then one of them turns up and has measured the space wrong, and says because of this the boiler will be €400 dearer…
    It's not your fault he measured the space wrong. Tell him to go sing for it.


  • #126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    True, and every book is different, but I can give a rough estimate of the work editing a book of a certain length will be, within the border of a low figure for a skilfully written book by an experienced writer and a book full of grammatical mistakes and plot holes but with fantastic possibilities by an inexperienced, semi-educated writer.

    I've just had a job costed by three different plumbers, at €1,200, €2,000 and €2,200. Then one of them turns up and has measured the space wrong, and says because of this the boiler will be €400 dearer…

    You sound like professional which is a beautiful thing, now imagine if your profession was like my own profession were others were offering to do exactly the same job as yourself but had minimal training, little care for customer service and fluctuating prices.

    If the above was the case how would you explain to a new customer who has only experienced the less professional the disparity between you and the others who seem to be offering the same service but with different confusing quotes.

    There are a lot of good RGI's out there, unfortunately you haven't met one and I don't feel the ones you have met would be on this forum assisting others.


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  • #127
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    gary71 wrote: »
    You sound like professional which is a beautiful thing, now imagine if your profession was like my own profession were others were offering to do exactly the same job as yourself but had minimal training, little care for customer service and fluctuating prices.

    I don't have to imagine that, it's happening in writing and editing more than anywhere else.
    If the above was the case how would you explain to a new customer who has only experienced the less professional the disparity between you and the others who seem to be offering the same service but with different confusing quotes.

    There are a lot of good RGI's out there, unfortunately you haven't met one and I don't feel the ones you have met would be on this forum assisting others.

    Sensible point. But gary71, this is why it would help if there were some guidelines on a sensible price for a job like this. In plumbing, it's very easy to blind the customer with science; and the customer is likely to be frightened and malleable because of the danger of gas.

    I have also thought for many years (and this is not a personal point against anyone here - I don't know you, and you are probably exceptions to this) that the general competence of Irish electricians, carpenters, plasterers, builders and plumbers is often quite low. I'm not saying this to be annoying or argumentative, but as a simple observation; people very often seem to be winging it. I couldn't count the number of times a man has come into my house - a professional doing the job he's trained for, and supposedly has the specialised equipment for, and asked "You wouldn't have a screwdriver, would you?"

    At this stage I'm thinking of getting two further quotes, one from a Lithuanian (who comes with several recommendations, though these are all from *recent* work, which makes me cautious), and one from a Frenchman (who comes with a single recommendation, but from someone he's worked for several times).

    Edit: in fact, it would be an excellent before-and-after service for the Gas Company to offer: come out before the job and say "It should cost roughly X", and come out after the job and inspect it for safety and competence.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    I don't have to imagine that, it's happening in writing and editing more than anywhere else.



    Sensible point. But gary71, this is why it would help if there were some guidelines on a sensible price for a job like this. In plumbing, it's very easy to blind the customer with science; and the customer is likely to be frightened and malleable because of the danger of gas.

    I have also thought for many years (and this is not a personal point against anyone here - I don't know you, and you are probably exceptions to this) that the general competence of Irish electricians, carpenters, plasterers, builders and plumbers is often quite low. I'm not saying this to be annoying or argumentative, but as a simple observation; people very often seem to be winging it. I couldn't count the number of times a man has come into my house - a professional doing the job he's trained for, and supposedly has the specialised equipment for, and asked "You wouldn't have a screwdriver, would you?"

    At this stage I'm thinking of getting two further quotes, one from a Lithuanian (who comes with several recommendations, though these are all from *recent* work, which makes me cautious), and one from a Frenchman (who comes with a single recommendation, but from someone he's worked for several times).

    Edit: in fact, it would be an excellent before-and-after service for the Gas Company to offer: come out before the job and say "It should cost roughly X", and come out after the job and inspect it for safety and competence.

    As a RGI who comes from outside Ireland and one who gets to see a lot of other RGI's work I can tell you there are tradesmen as good and professional as any.

    The problems I find is as with other trades there has been no real restriction(till recently) on those entering the trade and no policing to help remove the unskilled, unsafe or undesirable to the detriment of the competent and decent RGI's.

    Good tradesmen do suffer from the impact of bad tradesmen and I for one detest the bad ones. Someone employing a RGI should have confidence in the RGII selection process that allowes a RGI to work but using my favourite quote from last year, when you employ a RGI you don't know if you getting horse or beef.


  • #129
    anner25
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭anner25


    A big problem here is lack of a proper apprenticeship scheme,the RGII have a Trainee Membership does anyone know any RGII trainee's? I certainly don't. GID then registration to RGII full membership where does this trainee lark come in ?


  • #130
    JohnnieK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JohnnieK


    anner25 wrote: »
    A big problem here is lack of a proper apprenticeship scheme,the RGII have a Trainee Membership does anyone know any RGII trainee's? I certainly don't. GID then registration to RGII full membership where does this trainee lark come in ?

    Trainee was there from the beginning for people working in the industry already. They had trainee status until they sat the GID.

    If an Rgi/plumber has an apprentice he can still register the apprentice as a trainee.

    There is no separate gas fitting apprenticeship it's all part of the plumbing apprenticeship since the early nineties or late eighties.


  • #131
    anner25
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭anner25


    Understood but when I finished my apprenticeship and GID I found it very difficult to get anyone willing to offer any hands on training in the servicing and repair area.The GID and Plumbing apprenticeship barely covers anything regarding this,I know there is a GIFF fault finding course but really nothing beats that hands on experience. I think that's why were seeing a lot of RGIIs out there screwing up because the more experienced guys don't seem to be willing to pass on their knowledge.


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    So it's my fault? Nothing to do with the State sponsored silliness that's allowed absolutely anybody in to my industry irrespective of their suitability for the role.

    My ability to earn as a tradesman has been massively impacted on by the unskilled doing my job, how will it help me to train anybody?

    Do you think that if RGI's were drawn from plumbing and associated trades in the first place the transfer of knowledge would of been more likely to have accured?


  • #133
    Billy Bunting
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Billy Bunting


    anner25 wrote: »
    I think that's why were seeing a lot of RGIIs out there screwing up because the more experienced guys don't seem to be willing to pass on their knowledge.

    When i wanted to learn the Gas trade i was lucky the older more experienced guys mentored me along but thats because i did a three year apprentiship with the gas industry and not a 10 day refresher course, i often ask myself would i really wish to mentor some of the clowns who now carry the same RGI label as myself, no! if the powers that be have given them the ability to kill people then so be it, but my neck wont be on the line.
    If fresh RGI's are really honest with themselves and feel lacking in competence then they should be big enough to hold their hands up to RGII and ask for further training, i'm sure that if there was honestly then numbers would dictate extra training would have to be made available.


  • #134
    anner25
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭anner25


    I'm just speaking from experience the fact is some of these so called experienced guys are taking no blame here when some of them are a joke.Most of the crowds I've worked for over the years put no emphasis on proper flushing techniques and didn't even follow basic manufacturers guidelines.I was at a boiler recently that had no perm live and this was installed by an ex BG very well respected guy I approached him and he he lost it,the same guy doesn't even have a multi meter he uses a phase tester,nobody in the firm puts it up to him cause of his back round. I've learned everything I know from reading and going to as many manufacturers training days as I could not from instruction and I will be first to admit I've a lot to learn but guys like me haven't a chance because A-were not ex BG and B-were young and ''just done 10 day courses" who's gonna look after things when you guys retire ?


  • #135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    anner25 wrote: »
    I'm just speaking from experience the fact is some of these so called experienced guys are taking no blame here when some of them are a joke.Most of the crowds I've worked for over the years put no emphasis on proper flushing techniques and didn't even follow basic manufacturers guidelines.I was at a boiler recently that had no perm live and this was installed by an ex BG very well respected guy I approached him and he he lost it,the same guy doesn't even have a multi meter he uses a phase tester,nobody in the firm puts it up to him cause of his back round. I've learned everything I know from reading and going to as many manufacturers training days as I could not from instruction and I will be first to admit I've a lot to learn but guys like me haven't a chance because A-were not ex BG and B-were young and ''just done 10 day courses" who's gonna look after things when you guys retire ?


    All service and maintenance RGIs I'v met are self taught, gas engineering is not a recognised trade here, you're better off going at it the way you are.

    What you have rightly noticed is spoofers and chancers are allowed to flourish in the gas industry for some reason:confused:, i'v been round a long time and met a lot of RGIs at different levels, many that I have met with loud blustery voices with little cop on end up in important positions.

    The regs are the regs it's not rocket science so how people with little regard for what the books really say are allowed to put their own spin on things confusing the issue is beyond me:mad:


  • #136
    JohnnieK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JohnnieK


    Just keep doing what your doing and stick to your guns. The spoofers will be found out in the end.

    There is only so much someone can show you the rest is self thought.
    I have a couple of numbers in my phone of fellas that know more than me and i have no shame in calling on them when needs be.

    I only ran a permanent live to a one year old Viessmann today that was put in on a refurb. Wired by a sparks too.


  • #137
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JohnnieK wrote: »
    Just keep doing what your doing and stick to your guns. The spoofers will be found out in the end.

    There is only so much someone can show you the rest is self thought.
    I have a couple of numbers in my phone of fellas that know more than me and i have no shame in calling on them when needs be.

    I only ran a permanent live to a one year old Viessmann today that was put in on a refurb. Wired by a sparks too.

    The message I'm trying to get over to sparks is a PCB is for life not just for Christmas.


  • #138
    Egass13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭Egass13


    This is why . Wasn't until I asked him what happens when his 9 month old baby starts walking and decides to open the valve did the man actually realise what my problem was with his DIY disconnection . Not pictured is the piece of masking tap used as the blank cap, oh or the open fire which took the place of the gas fire , literally 3 feet away. It was like this for nearly two years .


  • #139
    dysfunctional
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭dysfunctional


    Hear, Hear!! i'm OFTEC reg. and i wouldn't dream of touching Gas....


  • #140
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    RGI are trained in gas safety and it is the law that no one else works with the gas line. RGI must be insured every year. That is the only reason you need to answer the question at the start of this thread.

    Anyone getting RGI should be picky what one they choose. Some RGI are not plumbers. Some are electricians. This is fine for the gas boiler service and repair but some electricians have been putting in whole heating systems and some of these are a disaster. Not trying to slag off anyone I'm just asking homeowners to ask a few questions first and always ask to see their insurance.


  • #141
    shane 007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭shane 007


    tpmcompany1 wrote: »
    Not trying to slag off anyone I'm just asking homeowners to ask a few questions first and always ask to see their insurance.

    As a condition of your annual membership to RGII, all RGI's must provide a copy of their current insurance to RGII, so therefore if the RGI is currently listed with RGII, they must have insurance.


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  • #142
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    shane 007 wrote: »
    As a condition of your annual membership to RGII, all RGI's must provide a copy of their current insurance to RGII, so therefore if the RGI is currently listed with RGII, they must have insurance.

    Shane I said that RGI Have to be insured. we all should be insured. I was talking about homeowners letting any tradesmen in without insurance. I think RECI have to be insured too though someone might correct me on that.
    What I was saying was that some RGI are not plumbers & yet they would try fit a solid ffuel back boiler.


  • #143
    Sir Arthur Daley
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    tpmcompany1 wrote: »
    I think RECI have to be insured too though someone might correct me on that.

    One cannot register with RECI unless you have insurance.


  • #144
    JohnnieK
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    shane 007 wrote: »
    As a condition of your annual membership to RGII, all RGI's must provide a copy of their current insurance to RGII, so therefore if the RGI is currently listed with RGII, they must have insurance.

    The recent prosecution in Louth, the person was posing as an RGI.

    Clearly not everyone goes to the RGI website.


  • #145
    Sleeper12
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    Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »
    One cannot register with RECI unless you have insurance.

    Thank you Sir Arthur. I will take the "think" out of that statement in future. So I can now say with certainty that RGI & RECI Have to be insured. Other tradesmen like myself should be fully insured & homeowners should ask us to show proof of insurance. I mean anyone could drill into a water pipe and cause damage. If they have no insurance then the homeowner has to foot the bill.

    The cheapest quote is not necessarily the best quote. Homeowners ask what corners are being cut to make this the cheapest quote.


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    tpmcompany1 wrote: »
    Thank you Sir Arthur. I will take the "think" out of that statement in future. So I can now say with certainty that RGI & RECI Have to be insured. Other tradesmen like myself should be fully insured & homeowners should ask us to show proof of insurance. I mean anyone could drill into a water pipe and cause damage. If they have no insurance then the homeowner has to foot the bill.

    The cheapest quote is not necessarily the best quote. Homeowners ask what corners are being cut to make this the cheapest quote.

    As a apprentice I once watched a fitter(more water diviner than gas fitter) find a water pipe buried in the kitchen wall with the tip of his drill.

    What makes it memorable to me was as the fitter was holding back the flood with his hands and the little old lady of the house was shouting some choice words at him a bird flew in flapped around above us for a bit, had a dump then flew out.

    I always thought the bird just flew in to comment on the quality of the work that day.


  • #147
    Sleeper12
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    gary71 wrote: »
    As a apprentice I once watched a fitter(more water diviner than gas fitter) find a water pipe buried in the kitchen wall with the tip of his drill.

    What makes it memorable to me was as the fitter was holding back the flood with his hands and the little old lady of the house was shouting some choice words at him a bird flew in flapped around above us for a bit, had a dump then flew out.

    I always thought the bird just flew in to comment on the quality of the work that day.

    Gary very good. You made me laugh!

    Even if he was good at his job this could have happened to him. It could happen to me on Tuesday on a job. Unfortunately some uninsured tradesmen would run away at this stage.

    Thanks for the laugh.


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    tpmcompany1 wrote: »
    Gary very good. You made me laugh!

    Even if he was good at his job this could have happened to him. It could happen to me on Tuesday on a job. Unfortunately some uninsured tradesmen would run away at this stage.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    Your message is a good one, but welcome to the party.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65446567

    Nothing has changed in four years and it's still reliant on good luck and a bit of homework to get what you pay for and have it done right.


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    KoolKid
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    Recent topic items and references deleted due to concerns over the content.
    If anyone wishes to discuss this feel free to PM me but please to not reference on thread.


  • #150
    Calahonda52
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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0218/681090-gas-boilers/

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • #151
    JohnnieK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭JohnnieK


    Some of these figures dont add up.
    It say's 30000 boilers are fitted every year but manufactures sales figures don't support this.

    It also doesn't mention the APHCI fighting the RGI re-assessments that have started saying it's too expensive. It's too expensive for the committee members because they are larger contractors and have numerous RGI's working for them and they would have to pay for there employee's to be re-assessed.

    I for one agree with re-assessments for two reasons.

    1. The regulations change from time to time and it is good to keep a breast of things.
    2. There is re-assessments in most other counties that have a regulated gas industry.


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