The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

17-05-2015 5:55pm

dirkmeister wrote: »

Durkan made some meal of that save.

As for Cavanagh...jayyysus

He did make it look a bit dramatic alright. The slo mo didn't do him any favours.

elefant · 17-05-2015 5:56pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Donegal deserved that win, but at the end of the day the game was ruined by off the ball hitting and nasty sledging. Pure muck from two sides that have fantastic footballers.

Agree. I'm surprised to see people praising it. The second half was putrid stuff. Such a pity because the first half was pretty good.

Borders no.2 · 17-05-2015 5:57pm

Some good play and some excellent scores. Big win for Donegal, they are going to be strong contenders again this year by the looks of it. Tyrone have potential through the qualifiers as usual. Hit a couple of purple patches. Not getting the 45 call when only 1 point down late on didn't help them but they left too many free scoring chances out there to get the win.

ProudDUB · 17-05-2015 6:01pm

Ok, who had 5.59pm and Colm O'Rourke in the Boards "Who says 'Manliness' first" pool?

Say Your Number · 17-05-2015 6:05pm

First row of the year :pac:

It was so close going off without one.

ProudDUB · 17-05-2015 6:07pm

Christ, Brolly is so annoying, when he won't let anyone else speak. Lyster and the RTE producers really need to work harder in getting him to shut the fcuk up when others are talking. :mad:

iDave · 17-05-2015 6:08pm

The seethe on Brolly at the end there.

royaler83 · 17-05-2015 6:11pm

corny wrote:

Donegal are a despicable group of individuals but they'll be hard beaten again this year.

Not nearly as despicable as Tyrone. Justin McMahon spent his afternoon trying to get a rise out of murphy, murphy as cool as a breeze with those frees, mcmahon was wasting his energy

IH784man · 17-05-2015 6:17pm

Just back from the game,joe was very very poor,Tyrone working murphy and paddy mcbrearty and all the rest up.Frank mcglynn played very well I thought

IH784man · 17-05-2015 6:17pm

There was a scrap about to start in the stands afterwards :P

Jampip · 17-05-2015 6:22pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

What on earth was McQuillan doing giving Cavanagh a black card?

What rule book did he consult that told him that challenge was anything near a black card?

Cavanagh pulled a man running past him down. That's the definition of a black card for me.

Thought it was a great game of football. The weather and off the ball stuff took away from it second half but still great intensity and a great way to start the coverage this year.

DDC1990 · 17-05-2015 7:03pm

Jampip wrote: »

Cavanagh pulled a man running past him down. That's the definition of a black card for me.

Thought it was a great game of football. The weather and off the ball stuff took away from it second half but still great intensity and a great way to start the coverage this year.

He didn't pull the man to ground deliberately or come anywhere near it!

He grabbed the jersey, and the Donegal man threw himself down but that in itself is not a black card.

If it was, then Lacey and Reilly would have been sent off for their high tackles instead of yellows.

It was a yellow at best.

McQuillan wasn't helped by the players one bit either, with some serious fúck-acting all day, diving, sledging, body checking etc.

But its all ok, shur its a mans game, good hard football... :rolleyes:

EDIT: The last part isn't aimed at you but the likes of Martin Carney who joked about the off the ball stuff all game as if it was just to be expected and taken lightly. Rory Gallagher's comment on the half time fracas were "Shur it was just two teams going in at half time". Micheael Murphy commented, that "Its Ulster championsjip, its no different to any other year".

Jampip · 17-05-2015 7:33pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

He didn't pull the man to ground deliberately or come anywhere near it!

He grabbed the jersey, and the Donegal man threw himself down but that in itself is not a black card.

If it was, then Lacey and Reilly would have been sent off for their high tackles instead of yellows.

It was a yellow at best.

Cavanagh's hand was near the player's neck and he brought him down. For me, he pulled him down and it was a black card.

I don't know the other tackles you talk about but the problem with the black card is that it's nigh on useless. Refs just don't use it now.

MattB11 · 17-05-2015 8:20pm

What did people honestly expect from the likes of Murphy and Gallagher when asked about the off the ball stuff? It happens in GAA and not only in ulster stop bloody moaning

Jampip · 17-05-2015 8:52pm

MattB11 wrote: »

What did people honestly expect from the likes of Murphy and Gallagher when asked about the off the ball stuff? It happens in GAA and not only in ulster stop bloody moaning

The amount of Ulster bashing on this thread has been ridiculous tbh. I read through it after the game.

Nice to see people are still taking an interest in the utterings of that idiot Spillane.

One poster even predicted before the game that the two teams wouldn't have ten points between them by half time.

keane2097 · 17-05-2015 8:57pm

Cavanagh's was 100% not a black card

Jampip · 17-05-2015 9:02pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Cavanagh's was 100% not a black card

This reminds me of the time Roy Keane said Nani's red card was a red card and Bryan Robson said nobody else in Old Trafford thought it was. Keane's response, "well the ref obviously thought it was".

You can't say something 100% wasn't a black card. The rules are far too grey and it's a ridiculous statement to be honest.

Have a look at Twitter. Opinion is divided on it.

Tell me how · 17-05-2015 9:12pm

Jampip wrote:

You can't say something 100% wasn't a black card. The rules are far too grey and it's a ridiculous statement to be honest.

If it wasn't a Black Card then it probably deserved to be a Yellow as it was high. End result would have been same.

fullstop · 17-05-2015 9:15pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Cavanagh's was 100% not a black card

Well then it was a yellow. Same result. It was very similar to O'Reilly's yellow early on and nobody is complaining about it.

LiamNeeson · 17-05-2015 9:26pm

Tyrone players have always been fond of acting the maggot, I have a newspaper from 2001 in my drawer with a photo of the clown "Mugsy" grabbing Derry manager Eamon Coleman by the t shirt and pulling it.

Slattsy · 17-05-2015 9:31pm

LiamNeeson wrote: »

Tyrone players have always been fond of acting the maggot, I have a newspaper from 2001 in my drawer with a photo of the clown "Mugsy" grabbing Derry manager Eamon Coleman by the t shirt and pulling it.

No way? That's awesome.
I'm so jealous.

zetecescort · 17-05-2015 9:36pm

what are the GAA's rules regarding dealing with incidents after a game? plenty footage to look back on today!

LiamNeeson · 17-05-2015 9:39pm

Slattsy wrote: »

No way? That's awesome.
I'm so jealous.

a clown, a dub no doubt

keane2097 · 17-05-2015 9:50pm

It was possibly a yellow definitely not a black

delaad · 17-05-2015 10:08pm

Sledging in Gaa is new?. The word may be new, but thats all.

However surprised, ahem, that none of the Sunday Game panel tonight mentioned Aidan O'Mahony's pioneering role in launch of this so-called new aspect of Gaelic Games.

threeball · 17-05-2015 10:15pm

delaad wrote: »

Sledging in Gaa is new?. The word may be new, but thats all.

However surprised, ahem, that none of the Sunday Game panel tonight mentioned Aidan O'Mahony's pioneering role in launch of this so-called new aspect of Gaelic Games.

I thought his main contribution to the world of Gaa was feigning injury.

Sledging goes back to the 70's

STB. · 17-05-2015 10:20pm

LiamNeeson wrote: »

Tyrone players have always been fond of acting the maggot, I have a newspaper from 2001 in my drawer with a photo of the clown "Mugsy" grabbing Derry manager Eamon Coleman by the t shirt and pulling it.

Might be time for a clear out pal.

LiamNeeson wrote: »

a clown, a dub no doubt

Feckin Dubs

Nib · 17-05-2015 10:20pm

That point from Brian Kavanagh was incredible.

zetecescort · 17-05-2015 10:21pm

They should have microphones in those GPS sports bra yokes so we can hear whats said.

delaad · 17-05-2015 10:26pm

threeball wrote: »

I thought his main contribution to the world of Gaa was feigning injury.

Sledging goes back to the 70's

Agree with you 100% about sledging being around since, for sure, the '70's.

Just, in an admittedly clumsy way, referring to O'Mahony's no doubt by now legendary role in negativing Murphy in last years final.

Boom__Boom · 17-05-2015 10:32pm

zetecescort wrote: »

They should have microphones in those GPS sports bra yokes so we can hear whats said.

Business plan for next year's Ulster championship - have a coupe of those boom mikes with the sideways umbrella yokes on them targetted at the likely offenders and broadcast it on a radio signal (like they used do with rugby refs) so that the crowd can listen in. Would really add to the atmosphere.

#nothingbeatsbeingabletohearthesledging

North of 32 · 17-05-2015 11:52pm

Will the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC be reviewing today's brawls?

LiamNeeson · 17-05-2015 11:57pm

I would imagine there a few political insults used within that sledging caper, Joe Brolly wrote a good article about that

http://www.derryjournal.com/news/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549

However to be fair if I was playing against a team like Tyrone or Armagh I would most likely call them Brits too even though I am a Northern Ireland native too.

I was thinking that a good insult a Donegal man could use on a Tyrone man is that Tyrone is actually named after a Donegal man, Eoghan MacNeill, he is buried in Inishowen too.

LiamNeeson · 17-05-2015 11:58pm

STB. wrote: »

Might be time for a clear out pal.

Feckin Dubs

no, my 1993 newspapers have turned yellow though

ProudDUB · 18-05-2015 12:19am

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Business plan for next year's Ulster championship - have a coupe of those boom mikes with the sideways umbrella yokes on them targetted at the likely offenders and broadcast it on a radio signal (like they used do with rugby refs) so that the crowd can listen in. Would really add to the atmosphere.

#nothingbeatsbeingabletohearthesledging

That's actually a damm fine idea !

J Cheever Loophole · 18-05-2015 8:03am

Jampip wrote: »

One poster even predicted before the game that the two teams wouldn't have ten points between them by half time.

To be fair Jampip, that poster was Stinicker.

Stinicker wrote: »

I expect it to be pure vintage puke, the combined score will be less than 10 points at half time.

A valuable poster here in so far as he generates a lot of mirth.

corny · 18-05-2015 5:12pm

royaler83 wrote: »

Not nearly as despicable as Tyrone. Justin McMahon spent his afternoon trying to get a rise out of murphy, murphy as cool as a breeze with those frees, mcmahon was wasting his energy

I know the lads on the Sunday game highlighted this with indigence but the truth is Murphy was the one creating the hassle. He barged Cavanagh, was first man in more than once and generally had chat for all and sundry. Cavanagh on the other hand was generally reactive and not proactive.

I'd argue Tyrone were well up for the shenanigans alright but they weren't half as calculating as the likes of Murphy, Magee and Gallagher. There's method to their general nastiness. They're (Donegal) best in the business at that stuff.

BTW McMahon had a very good game.

Jampip · 19-05-2015 5:38pm

corny wrote: »

I know the lads on the Sunday game highlighted this with indigence but the truth is Murphy was the one creating the hassle. He barged Cavanagh, was first man in more than once and generally had chat for all and sundry. Cavanagh on the other hand was generally reactive and not proactive.

I'd argue Tyrone were well up for the shenanigans alright but they weren't half as calculating as the likes of Murphy, Magee and Gallagher. There's method to their general nastiness. They're (Donegal) best in the business at that stuff.

BTW McMahon had a very good game.

I wouldn't see Donegal as any better than any of the top teams at it, and I'd include Kerry in it. Did O'Shea not even say that on The Sunday Game that one of the first things you teach a young lad at training is to leave the hand in.

Nidgeweasel · 19-05-2015 5:39pm

corny wrote: »

I know the lads on the Sunday game highlighted this with indigence but the truth is Murphy was the one creating the hassle. He barged Cavanagh, was first man in more than once and generally had chat for all and sundry. Cavanagh on the other hand was generally reactive and not proactive.

I'd argue Tyrone were well up for the shenanigans alright but they weren't half as calculating as the likes of Murphy, Magee and Gallagher. There's method to their general nastiness. They're (Donegal) best in the business at that stuff.

BTW McMahon had a very good game.

What a crock of shÍte that post is.

Poor Sean, the wee lamb himself.

fullstop · 19-05-2015 5:42pm

corny wrote: »

I know the lads on the Sunday game highlighted this with indigence but the truth is Murphy was the one creating the hassle. He barged Cavanagh, was first man in more than once and generally had chat for all and sundry. Cavanagh on the other hand was generally reactive and not proactive.

I'd argue Tyrone were well up for the shenanigans alright but they weren't half as calculating as the likes of Murphy, Magee and Gallagher. There's method to their general nastiness. They're (Donegal) best in the business at that stuff.

BTW McMahon had a very good game.

Don't let your hatred of the "despicable" :rolleyes: Donegal cloud your judgement! Were you at the game? If you weren't you didn't see half of what went on. I watched the full game after and it missed 99% of the off the ball stuff. Every time Murphy went to make a run, McMahon stepped in front of him and grabbed his jersey by the scruff of the neck. He fouled him all day long and got away with it.

Then they had that other clown of a Maor Forine running down the line abusing the linesman for the whole game and started the melee at half time when he ran in and pushed Murphy in the back and then had a go at Durcan.

J Cheever Loophole · 20-05-2015 10:52am

I recall being taken aback last year by the level of abuse and vitriol heaped on Armagh, on this very forum, by many Donegal posters about what they perceived as the 'thuggery' Armagh brought to last year's All Ireland quarter-final.

There was plenty of evidence of 'thuggery' on display in Ballybofey from both sides on Sunday, and that evidence was readily available to both those watching on the TV and those at the game. I'll await with interest to see if any of the Cyclops here actually seen it and more importantly are willing to condemn it....in the interests of consistency you understand!! :rolleyes:

For myself, I thoroughly enjoyed the game - I found it enthralling from start to finish with the old adage of 'no quarter asked or given' particularly appropriate. Conditions were terrible but there was still some great skill on display. Throw in plenty of guts and determination and you have all the ingredients of a typical Ulster Championship game - I loved every minute of it.

Yes, there was all sorts of knavery going on - both physical and verbal - typical of a local derby in a huge game. I have no issue with those that say this sort of thing needs stamped out - however if it is to be stamped out, I hope there will be a recognition that such things are not just confined to Ulster, despite what some might say.

Looking back, I would have to say I was surprised by how good Tyrone had played - despite the defeat, thy will take great heart from that victory and will likely see Croke Park in the Summer. Although Donegal won a hard fought encounter, which was built on the composure of being Champions and refusing to panic, I got a sense that they have gone back from last year. My immediate reaction was one of optimism for our chances against them in June. However having had time to reflect, I'm now not so sure. Donegal will benefit hugely from that game and will have the added advantage of simply playing at a higher level than Armagh - it is us that will have to step up significantly. Still, it's a game I can't wait for.

One last point - the black card needs sorted out - urgently.

Nidgeweasel · 20-05-2015 1:30pm

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I recall being taken aback last year by the level of abuse and vitriol heaped on Armagh, on this very forum, by many Donegal posters about what they perceived as the 'thuggery' Armagh brought to last year's All Ireland quarter-final.

There was plenty of evidence of 'thuggery' on display in Ballybofey from both sides on Sunday, and that evidence was readily available to both those watching on the TV and those at the game. I'll await with interest to see if any of the Cyclops here actually seen it and more importantly are willing to condemn it....in the interests of consistency you understand!! :rolleyes:

No medics attacked anyway. Every cloud.

J Cheever Loophole · 20-05-2015 1:53pm

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

No medics attacked anyway. Every cloud.

keane2097 · 20-05-2015 2:25pm

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

One last point - the black card needs sorted out - urgently.

The frustrating thing is that the black card is actually fine, but the refs need to implement it properly (or in some cases be taken away and shot).

There were a bunch of potential black cards that were let go, which is probably not the end of the world when a game is going well but decisions like Sean Cavanagh getting a black card for an incident that wasn't the first cousin of a black card offense is terrible.

This is a spectre that was raised by opponents of the black card when it came in first, and to be fair they were right, but I stand by my opinion from the time that I'd rather have good rules and ****e refs than ****e rules and ****e refs.

Funnily enough, all that sledging that is pretty unsavoury is covered by the black card and could be fairly well stamped out by its liberal application. I don't really mind the off the ball knavery (great description by the way), or at least I think trying to stamp it all out might do more harm than good, but the sledging I find myself wanting rid of alright. It's a bit too unsavoury for my delicate sensibilities.

North of 32 · 20-05-2015 6:28pm

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I recall being taken aback last year by the level of abuse and vitriol heaped on Armagh, on this very forum, by many Donegal posters about what they perceived as the 'thuggery' Armagh brought to last year's All Ireland quarter-final.

There was plenty of evidence of 'thuggery' on display in Ballybofey from both sides on Sunday, and that evidence was readily available to both those watching on the TV and those at the game. I'll await with interest to see if any of the Cyclops here actually seen it and more importantly are willing to condemn it....in the interests of consistency you understand!! :rolleyes:

Did you see the Armagh game last year? And feel free to point out the instances of Donegal 'thuggery' - by this I presume you mean off the ball targeting equal to that committed by Armagh. Any backroom staff thrown to the ground? Any Maor Foirne starting fights? I'd like to hear what I missed.

J Cheever Loophole · 20-05-2015 10:40pm

North of 32 wrote: »

Did you see the Armagh game last year? And feel free to point out the instances of Donegal 'thuggery' - by this I presume you mean off the ball targeting equal to that committed by Armagh. Any backroom staff thrown to the ground? Any Maor Foirne starting fights? I'd like to hear what I missed.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king - begrudging respect Nidgeweasal. :rolleyes:

North of 32 · 21-05-2015 9:23am

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king - begrudging respect Nidgeweasal. :rolleyes:

Sure you're only talking out of your 45

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not denying Donegal are the instigators of some questionable 'stuff', but I really do not see where it crosses into thuggery, or even beyond what anyone else does - including Kerry, the so-called standard bearers of Gaelic football.

J Cheever Loophole · 21-05-2015 12:46pm

North of 32 wrote: »

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not denying Donegal are the instigators of some questionable 'stuff', but I really do not see where it crosses into thuggery, or even beyond what anyone else does - including Kerry, the so-called standard bearers of Gaelic football.

Donegal instigate some "questionable stuff"? :eek: Don't expect any thanks from Nidgeweasel for that!!

So, to clarify;

Armagh violence ≥ thuggery,
Donegal questionable stuff < thuggery.

Thanks for that.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the word "objectivity", or by asking you that question would I be merely "talking through my 45"?

overshoot · 21-05-2015 3:00pm

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Donegal instigate some "questionable stuff"? :eek: Don't expect any thanks from Nidgeweasel for that!!

So, to clarify;
Armagh violence ≥ thuggery,

Donegal questionable stuff < thuggery.

Thanks for that.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the word "objectivity", or by asking you that question would I be merely "talking through my 45"?

i think most would prefer that their county were not engaged in it but what the McGees were at was on a par with what McBrearty relieved. McMahon's only target was Murphy, not the ball. Anyone at the match could see it clear as day. Donegal can give it just as much as they receive it. Make no mistake every county does it, until the refs stamp it out, its going to continue.

and for the record, when we start breaking players arms (conveniently the teams best forward) before matches, dragging players off the ground by the hair and hurling doctors to the ground i may agree we are level with ye on the thuggery terms. Its the one area Armagh remain leaders of.

Nidgeweasel · 21-05-2015 3:21pm

overshoot wrote: »

and for the record, when we start breaking players arms (conveniently the teams best forward) before matches, dragging players off the ground by the hair and hurling doctors to the ground i may agree we are level with ye on the thuggery terms. Its the one area Armagh remain leaders of.

They've no hope with people like Grimley and now McGeeney.

Louts.

The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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