The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2014

evolving tipperary · 22-10-2014 9:58pm

I've seen rough contests between Nenagh and Toome - that's a huge rivalry.

Toome and Thurles is another one.

Toome and Mullinahone for a time too....

I'm seeing a pattern here...TOOMEVARA!!!

GerB40 · 22-10-2014 10:07pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I've seen rough contests between Nenagh and Toome - that's a huge rivalry.

Toome and Thurles is another one.

Toome and Mullinahone for a time too....

I'm seeing a pattern here...TOOMEVARA!!!

Toome and Nenagh.. Yep I see the same pattern.

The Lost Sheep · 23-10-2014 11:38am

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I was having a think about this at the weekend: what's the biggest, most ferocious club rivalry in Tipperary? Or is it more like small 'derbies' of local teams?

Toome v Nenagh, Toome v Kilruane, Toome and Thurles, Thurles and Drum, Carrick's 2 sides,
Hard to say. There's loads of them...

buggy beag · 23-10-2014 4:15pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Toome v Nenagh, Toome v Kilruane, Toome and Thurles, Thurles and Drum, Carrick's 2 sides,
Hard to say. There's loads of them...

Ballingary v killenaule? Maybe tippgunner will tell us who's mullinahones greatest rivals are

ReacherCreature · 23-10-2014 6:20pm

So Toomevara versus Tipperary then?

evolving tipperary · 23-10-2014 6:23pm

Borrisoleigh and Drom is a pretty strong rivalry too

GoldFour4 · 23-10-2014 6:25pm

In fairness the nature of the GAA and the closeness of Irish towns/villages means that there will be great rivalries across the county across every level the games are played.

Mantis Toboggan · 23-10-2014 6:32pm

Drom vs Sars, Holycross vs Boherlahan, Upperchurch vs anyone.

Think the rural clubs see the town teams are their big rivals. We always loved playing the town teams, Thurles Sars, Nenagh eire Og even Cashel King Cormacs.
We always saw them as having more players better resources etc so beating them was always special.

evolving tipperary · 23-10-2014 7:33pm

Electric Ireland Munster Minor Hurling Championship Draw 2015
Clare receives bye to semi-final
A: Tipperary v Waterford Semple Stadium, Thurles
B: Cork v Limerick Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork
C: Loser of A v Loser of B
D (Semi-Final): Clare v Winner of A
E (Semi-Final): Winner of B v Winner of C
Final: Winner of D v Winner of E
Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football Championship Draw 2015
A: Clare v Kerry Austin Stack Park, Tralee
B: Cork v Limerick Páirc na nGael, Limerick
C: Waterford v Tipperary Semple Stadium, Thurles

Loser of B v Loser of C
E: Loser of A v Winner of D
F (Semi-Final): Winner of A v Winner of B
G (Semi-Final): Winner of C v Winner of E
Final: Winner of F v Winner of G
Bórd Gáis Energy Munster Under 21 Hurling Championship Draw 2015
A: (Q-final) Cork v Waterford Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork
B: (Semi-Final) Tipperary v Limerick Páirc na nGael, Limerick
C: (Semi-Final) Clare v Winner of A Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork or Cusack Park Ennis
Final Winner of B v Winner of C
Cadbury Munster Under 21 Football Championship Draw 2015
A: (Q-final) Cork v Limerick Páirc na nGael, Limerick
B: (Q-final) Clare v Waterford Cusack Park, Ennis
C: (Semi-final) Kerry v Winners of A Páirc Uí Rinn, Cork or Austin Stack Park, Tralee

(Semi-final) Tipperary v Winners of B Semple Stadium, Thurles
Final: Winner of C v Winner of D

GerB40 · 23-10-2014 7:45pm

Eamon Ó Shea has told the players he'll be staying on for at least another year.

ReacherCreature · 24-10-2014 1:27pm

Thanks all for the informative replies.

Also music to my ears about O' Shea staying on. Was made it official this morning.

chocaholic04 · 24-10-2014 2:27pm

Great O'Shea is staying on, couldn't see him leaving at all. However reports are that there will be changes to his backroom team, is it wishful thinking Sheedy would come on board as a selector?

evolving tipperary · 24-10-2014 3:28pm

They are looking for someone to groom to take over so there is a transition...

I'd like to see two young lads brought into the background fold - William Maher or Mark O'Leary - Eoin Kelly -

What do people make of McCormack at Thurles?

I still can't see Sheedy's situation having changed too much...

Fair play to O'Shea taking on the cause again - three years while with Liam - this year coming will make it six now - Some man - Personally, I don't think some of the "fans" deserve him - but, he's obviously not doing it for them

Loughc · 24-10-2014 3:31pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Personally, I don't think some of the "fans" deserve him - but, he's obviously not doing it for them

Care to expand on that statement? I always found the Tipp supporters to be loyal.

The Lost Sheep · 24-10-2014 5:23pm

GerB40 wrote: »

Eamon Ó Shea has told the players he'll be staying on for at least another year.

Good to hear. Changes needed in backroom team though

chocaholic04 wrote: »

Great O'Shea is staying on, couldn't see him leaving at all. However reports are that there will be changes to his backroom team, is it wishful thinking Sheedy would come on board as a selector?

Yes It is wishful thinking cant see Sheedy coming back only to be an assistant coach. Changes to backroom team would be good to see to keep things fresh+

evolving tipperary wrote: »

They are looking for someone to groom to take over so there is a transition...

I'd like to see two young lads brought into the background fold - William Maher or Mark O'Leary - Eoin Kelly -

What do people make of McCormack at Thurles?

I still can't see Sheedy's situation having changed too much...

Fair play to O'Shea taking on the cause again - three years while with Liam - this year coming will make it six now - Some man - Personally, I don't think some of the "fans" deserve him - but, he's obviously not doing it for them

To be perfectly honest would really not like to see O Leary involved. Don't rate him and would much prefer W Maher.

digzy · 24-10-2014 6:17pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Good to hear. Changes needed in backroom team though

Maher.

Care to expand on that ? Who would you like to see moved out?

tippspur · 24-10-2014 11:30pm

7 all stars for Tipp,6 for KK and 2 for Limerick,delighted for Shane Mc Grath getting his first All Star.The cats won't be happy thought with Conor Forgarty missing out and Richie Power missing out to Shane Dowling in the forwards.

looder · 25-10-2014 1:52am

Loughc wrote: »

Care to expand on that statement? I always found the Tipp supporters to be loyal.

Tipp fans are very fickle.

After Cork in 2010, Getting on Big Dec & Tommy Dunne's back and the reaction this year to O'Shea upto the Semi Final win.

25-10-2014 1:59am

looder wrote: »

Tipp fans are very fickle.

After Cork in 2010, Getting on Big Dec & Tommy Dunne's back and the reaction this year to O'Shea upto the Semi Final win.

Criticism on the management back in 2010 was rough in fairness but both Deckie, and O'Shea desrved thier critics. We suffered our biggest championship defeat since the 1800s under Decky and this year, Tipp were septic for a long time. 20 mins to go vs Galway we looked toast and we were guilty 0f many limp performaces throughout the year

The Lost Sheep · 25-10-2014 2:19am

digzy wrote: »

Care to expand on that ? Who would you like to see moved out?

Not sure but think a freshening up of the coaching structure would help push us up to next grade

tippspur wrote: »

7 all stars for Tipp,6 for KK and 2 for Limerick,delighted for Shane Mc Grath getting his first All Star.The cats won't be happy thought with Conor Forgarty missing out and Richie Power missing out to Shane Dowling in the forwards.

Interesting. Only 3 counties getting awards, how long since that's happened?

evolving tipperary · 25-10-2014 12:12pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK8iSuBvMp4#t

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 1:53pm

John Meagher is injured again - if he has any serious long term inter-county ambitions - it's probably better off that he takes a year off from both club and county at this stage -easier said than done - but he should work with a physio for a year - give his body a break - things can't keep going the way it is for him - otherwise he'll wreck himself

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 1:59pm

I think people have been fair too quick to criticize Eamon - particularly getting heated about League games - then after the Limerick games - acting like it was the end of the world - Limerick are very very good coming team with a lot of belief and underage success. It also happens that their strengths are our weakness too...

What ever manager has been at the helm - it's been the same players there for a long time...- yet they've reached a lot of ALL-Irelands.

Eamon O'Shea has to be the greatest hurling servant to the Tipp Inter-county set up in a long time...a lot of people have been burnt out or left after three years - understandable - but still left after three

He's given six years now with a two year break in between - ...apart from John Allen and Cody - there's not many doing that

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 2:00pm

Why don't you rate O'Leary?

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 2:04pm

A lot of people said Kilkenny were finished too? Septic for a long time? Did they get to the league final? Did they get to both finals?

Clare were bad...

Dublin were bad...

Galway were bad...

Limerick were great apparently - and they did have a good year- what did they get to?

This is a tough game - it's hard to keep going year in and year out - criticism lads for bad form early in the year - and celebrating being in the top two when teh greatest team who played the game is around is a bit ridiculous in my opinion...

The Lost Sheep · 26-10-2014 3:59pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

John Meagher is injured again - if he has any serious long term inter-county ambitions - it's probably better off that he takes a year off from both club and county at this stage -easier said than done - but he should work with a physio for a year - give his body a break - things can't keep going the way it is for him - otherwise he'll wreck himself

Don't see that he should at all. Saying take a year out is OTT considering you haven't a clue about his injuries.

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Why don't you rate O'Leary?

Puts himself and his club ahead of his role as a coach of a representative team. That's from players who've played under him. Don't rate him as a coach either

UpTheSlashers · 26-10-2014 5:16pm

Anyone else having trouble using the Tipperary GAA site? The fixtures/results section has been a joke for a while now, but today I cant even get onto the main site.

26-10-2014 5:48pm

This is lovely to hear. Really puts the disappointment of the hammering Mullinahone received into perspective

https://twitter.com/babbletipp/status/526414265004347392

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 7:34pm

Two statements and no evidence to back them up.

How do you know I don't know anything about his injuries?

What evidence do you have that O'Leary put club first?

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 7:35pm

Yeah - said something about a browser....

The Lost Sheep · 26-10-2014 10:50pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Two statements and no evidence to back them up.

How do you know I don't know anything about his injuries?

What evidence do you have that O'Leary put club first?

Are you medically qualified or worked with him in his recovery as other than that i think you're just trying to diagnose from nothing.
Picking his own club men on teams ahead of better players etc. Nothing i'll put up on an open forum which is stupid and im leaving this conversation here and not continuing with it as 1. i dont want to and 2. dont think it needs to be continued

Nenagh guardian facebook page had this as a post up earlier this evening
Eamon O'Shea will remain as Tipperary Senior Hurling manager for 2015.
At this weeks County Board meeting, current Assistant Manager Michael Ryan will be proposed to succeed O'Shea as manager in 2016.
Also at the County Board meeting, former All Ireland winning defender Declan Fanning will be proposed as an additional selector for 2015

windy shepard henderson · 26-10-2014 11:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is lovely to hear. Really puts the disappointment of the hammering Mullinahone received into perspective

https://twitter.com/babbletipp/status/526414265004347392

was it just a show of force to say he is still part of the team or is the guy getting back to the stage where he can compete at 100% , either way it is great to hear , he missed out on 2 county finals last year and most probably all the celebrations that went with it so hopefully he will be able to make an appearance next week and pick up a winners medal in the process

it was an impressive scoreline put up by loughmore today , in my own mind i would have had thurlas down as favorites all year mainly because of the form of the inter county players they have , but on that scoreline today i take it loughmore will be favorites?

evolving tipperary · 26-10-2014 11:24pm

John Meagher is a great player but unfortunately he has been riddled with injuries...don't need to be a doctor to see that pattern - he's been struggling in and out since 2012 - joint injuries too - knee... - when you have joint injuries it affects the rest of the body when its not right - as everything is out of sync - i know because I've had them myself - it's something you have to get right - even professionals take 6 to 8 months and that's with international standard surgeons and physio... It's a no brainer if you keep braking down with injuries - the body needs a break

There were years there when he was a dual county minor, played hurling and football for Loughmore at minor and u21 and possibly a bit senior too, he also hurled for the Harty in Thurles....

That's madness on the body...

As for O'Leary picking his own club guys I've heard that about every manager from Sheehy and Gleeson - and O'Shea and his cousin Hamill - load of ****e

Michael Ryan as a manager...not sure about that... who has he managed? Who has Declan Fanning managed?

Bit disappointed it's not someone like William Maher or Eddie Enright...

27-10-2014 12:43pm

To be fair to John Meagher i think he had glandular fever not long after winning the minor in 2011 and that seemed to set off a terrible chain reaction of injuries

mags85 · 27-10-2014 6:42pm

michael ryan paudie o'neill staying with o'shea with the addition of declan fanning

27-10-2014 7:11pm

Great optimism at hearing Michael Ryan will be taking the reigns. A very dynamic and ambitious man by all accounts. Continously generating ideas on the sideline. A great disciplinarian too from what i gather. And id say Declan Fanning doesnt suffer fools gladly either. Wonderful news in my opinion. The future is bright

27-10-2014 7:12pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

John Meagher is injured again - if he has any serious long term inter-county ambitions - it's probably better off that he takes a year off from both club and county at this stage -easier said than done - but he should work with a physio for a year - give his body a break - things can't keep going the way it is for him - otherwise he'll wreck himself

The management really need to assess his situation carefully and not to make the same mistakes that were made with Seamus Hennessy.

Jim Bowen · 27-10-2014 11:12pm

Interview with Eamon O'Shea here

http://tippfm.podomatic.com/entry/2014-10-27T13_03_22-07_00

Clonmel1000 · 27-10-2014 11:20pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

John Meagher is a great player but unfortunately he has been riddled with injuries...don't need to be a doctor to see that pattern - he's been struggling in and out since 2012 - joint injuries too - knee... - when you have joint injuries it affects the rest of the body when its not right - as everything is out of sync - i know because I've had them myself - it's something you have to get right - even professionals take 6 to 8 months and that's with international standard surgeons and physio... It's a no brainer if you keep braking down with injuries - the body needs a break

There were years there when he was a dual county minor, played hurling and football for Loughmore at minor and u21 and possibly a bit senior too, he also hurled for the Harty in Thurles....

That's madness on the body...

As for O'Leary picking his own club guys I've heard that about every manager from Sheehy and Gleeson - and O'Shea and his cousin Hamill - load of ****e

Michael Ryan as a manager...not sure about that... who has he managed? Who has Declan Fanning managed?

Bit disappointed it's not someone like William Maher or Eddie Enright...

what senior teams have either Wiliam Maher or Eddie Enright managed? Who is Sheehy? If its Liam Sheedy your referring to what clubmate did he show favouritism to?

evolving tipperary · 27-10-2014 11:28pm

Darren Gleeson - I mentioned Gleeson right beside Sheedy - many people said he shouldn't been on the squad...

William Maher with club side Ballingarry before later serving as a selector with the Dublin minor team in 2008. Maher was a selector with the Tipperary under-21 team in 2010 before guiding the Tipperary minor team to All-Ireland success in 2012. In October 2013 he became part of Derek McGrath's management team to the Waterford senior hurlers.

Eddie Enright has had a lot of success with UCC in Fitzgibbon Cup as Manager...

GoldFour4 · 27-10-2014 11:32pm

It's greater the players that they know who the boss will be for the next couple of years anyway, allows some bit of continuity for them.

evolving tipperary · 28-10-2014 12:52pm

Congrats to Aherlow & Tipperary Footballer Ciaran McDonald on making the Irish International Rules Panel

Clonmel1000 · 28-10-2014 8:46pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Darren Gleeson - I mentioned Gleeson right beside Sheedy - many people said he shouldn't been on the squad...

William Maher with club side Ballingarry before later serving as a selector with the Dublin minor team in 2008. Maher was a selector with the Tipperary under-21 team in 2010 before guiding the Tipperary minor team to All-Ireland success in 2012. In October 2013 he became part of Derek McGrath's management team to the Waterford senior hurlers.

Eddie Enright has had a lot of success with UCC in Fitzgibbon Cup as Manager...

That's Darren Gleeson the current all star goalie your talking about? Willie Mahers management credentials at senior level amount to managing his home club and being a selector in that joke shop of a Waterford set up? Eddie Enright again by your own admission has no experience of managing at senior level.....

evolving tipperary · 28-10-2014 9:01pm

Yes, Do you know how to read?

I'm not questioning Gleeson or Sheedy - I was replying to someone else who questioned O'Leary for picking certain people and putting club before County. I replied that these are stereotypical rumors about every manager - from Sheedy to O'Shea. It's bull****. I never questioned Gleeson - can you follow an argument...I merely pointed the same rumors where about Darren at the time when Sheedy brought him in. - What's your point? Do you have one? Other than trying to argue for the sake of it?

Waterford - a joke shop? That's your opinion - it's still experience whether its Waterford or his own club. I notice you left out the minors and under 21....what's your point?

Eddie Enright has plenty of experience at third level - where teams are made up of all the upcoming county stars - it's seen as important stage for hurlers and managers - including Eamon O'Shea - not the only one - but I know Shefflin and Eamon Corcoran and others have talked about it as a period of time when you can be totally professional - you have the freedom to train twice a day if you want as you've no job. Eddie Enright has had a lot of success with UCC. He has been involved with the Watergrasshill club in Cork in recent years. - what's your point?!?!? Do you have any point or information at all?

Bit of advice - follow the thread properly - don't just butt in to make a point which misses the initial point...

Mantis Toboggan · 28-10-2014 9:16pm

Lads I don't like the idea of the manager for 2016 already being decided, especially when he's already involved in the set up. Think there are two many variables to guaranteeing someone a job which won't start until for another 15 months. Players who aren't currently being picked despite possibly being good enough are very disheartened this past week with that news. Sometimes when a manager is leaving a fresh start is what's needed where all players are fighting for positions. This will be seen as a continuation where players who aren't being picked now will have the same problem in 12 months.

What if we have a terrible season next year where we lose our 2 championship games and are out of it by June? Do we really want that managers assistant coming in and taking over?

Michael ryan is a somebody I admired greatly as a player and he's done well as an assistant but management is a different ball game altogether.

Just don't see why it would have been a problem to announce the new manager next October when the season is over and done with.

evolving tipperary · 28-10-2014 9:21pm

Very good point - was thinking that too...it's dangerous. But, I suppose the other side of it is the boys don't want to see a situation where our pants is down when Sheedy walked away...

In that type of situation the incoming manager must have the character to do what is needed - does what's best for the squad rather than picking those he has an emotional tie to or loyalty with - that will be Ryan's challenge...

Never struck me as management material... in terms of composure - Tell you one thing though...he won't be bullied on the sideline....that's for sure!!!!

I hope he does a great for Tipp - and he deserves to do one - he's given great service - and he's very passionate

Clonmel1000 · 28-10-2014 9:28pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Yes, Do you know how to read?

I'm not questioning Gleeson or Sheedy - I was replying to someone else who questioned O'Leary for picking certain people and putting club before County. I replied that these are stereotypical rumors about every manager - from Sheedy to O'Shea. It's bull****. I never questioned Gleeson - can you follow an argument...I merely pointed the same rumors where about Darren at the time when Sheedy brought him in. - What's your point? Do you have one? Other than trying to argue for the sake of it?

Waterford - a joke shop? That's your opinion - it's still experience whether its Waterford or his own club. I notice you left out the minors and under 21....what's your point?

Eddie Enright has plenty of experience at third level - where teams are made up of all the upcoming county stars - it's seen as important stage for hurlers and managers - including Eamon O'Shea - not the only one - but I know Shefflin and Eamon Corcoran and others have talked about it as a period of time when you can be totally professional - you have the freedom to train twice a day if you want as you've no job. Eddie Enright has had a lot of success with UCC. He has been involved with the Watergrasshill club in Cork in recent years. - what's your point?!?!? Do you have any point or information at all?

Bit of advice - follow the thread properly - don't just butt in to make a point which misses the initial point...

first off apologies, your correct I misread your input on the Gleeson and Sheedy point. I agree with you 100% on that.

What would you call Waterford this year? A joke shop is being kind. I deliberately left out Willies coaching at underage level because the point we are talking about is senior experience. Fanning has as much experience as the 2 guys you mentioned that's all. I don't rate the Fitzgibbon cup quite as highly as you obviously.

evolving tipperary · 28-10-2014 9:42pm

That's fair enough!

Waterford have been poor - that's a fact - it's a new regime - coming into a team in transition - it will take them time that's for sure. I wouldn't be as dismissive as you. A lot of big names have moved on and they're trying to create a new team...

I think there is an advantage if you've worked with players beforehand - whether it's at minor, under 21, or college - particularly if you've had success...that generates belief in a manager and confidence... - a winning set up - Who has Fanning managed or been a selector with? I'm not privy to much about him - but I do know William Maher has had success with underage teams that should be ready to make the break through to the senior ranks...

That might not have worked for Declan and Tommy but they can say we won Munster twice - O'Shea hasn't made a munster final... - but O'Shea had no part in the most bizarre and useless tactic in a game ever...

evolving tipperary · 29-10-2014 10:42am

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipperary-ignore-lessons-from-man-united-succession-30701316.html

interesting - akin to buddy's point

Xenophile · 31-10-2014 10:03am

The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2014

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