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Cycling/Walking around the city

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  • #52
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hi

    There is a "Workplace Cycle Champions" project kicking off shortly in conjunction with the Chamber of Commerce. It relates to the subsidised bike parking the Chamber already offers its members and also the "Bike to work" scheme.

    The champions scheme will provide subsidised cycle skills training to existing cycle commuters. The idea is that they can act as mentors to support colleagues who want try cycling to work.

    The instruction will be carried out to the English National Standard and goes up to handling multilane roundabouts.
    http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Training_and_Education/TheClientStandard_ver4.doc

    Before the main scheme starts there will be few dry runs to test potential training location. Ideally this needs a few guinea pigs to play the role of the students. If you think you might benefit from a bit of free coaching in traffic skills for cyclists then pm me and we'll see if we can fit you in one of the trial runs.



    Brilliant.

    What about introducing cyclists to those new junction layouts?


  • #53
    solid oak
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭solid oak


    sonandheir wrote: »
    Just had to say the new cycle lane at the junction of newcastle rd and quincentinnel bridge is excellent. It gives me great hope for the rest of this upgrade of n6 with cyclists and pedestrians in mind. I cycle from Knocknacarra to Ballybrit and at current it is a deadly route mainly as what cycle lanes there are end at roundabouts and junctions. if they continue with this type of integrated junctions all the way over I hope it will encourage more cyclists. I have been extremely skeptical of this upgrade due to past projects undertaken by city council but must say this project could be a great success (for cyclists anyway)


    Is this new cycle route open yet?


  • #54
    Sniipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭Sniipe


    solid oak wrote: »
    Is this new cycle route open yet?

    Its not really a route, just a nicely integrated cycle lane to the road. I am impressed with it. However guys at work are wondering how long it will be before a car unknowingly drives up onto the cycle path.

    The junction seems to be fully finished anyway. I've noticed over the past few years that the cycle lane is better to cycle on now. What I mean by that is that there seems to be less glass. I haven't punctured on normal tyres in about 2 years. Plus the students are mostly very good at keeping off the cycle lane.

    I cycle whenever the weather permits (hate cycling in rain) or the other half really needs the car.


  • #55
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Sniipe wrote: »
    Its not really a route, just a nicely integrated cycle lane to the road. I am impressed with it. However guys at work are wondering how long it will be before a car unknowingly drives up onto the cycle path.

    The junction seems to be fully finished anyway. I've noticed over the past few years that the cycle lane is better to cycle on now. What I mean by that is that there seems to be less glass. I haven't punctured on normal tyres in about 2 years. Plus the students are mostly very good at keeping off the cycle lane.

    I cycle whenever the weather permits (hate cycling in rain) or the other half really needs the car.



    I was out today with the two snappers. Waterproof trousers and an extra rain cover on the trailer took care of the weather. I didn't even encounter any dangerous overtakers.

    I had a look at a section of the SQR alterations, and I can see where the cyclepath 'off-ramps' are situated near junctions (eg in front of the church/library).

    Time to introduce Galway to Copenhagen Blue?


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  • #56
    celty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭celty


    It really is hard to believe that after all the mistakes made in the past, particularly the inadequate cycle lane across the Quincentenary Bridge, that there seem to be problems now with the Seamus Quirke Road lanes even before the open.

    Bizarrely, the may even need to be redesigned before they've even opened.

    Galway City Council seem to be making no effort to encourage people to cycle to work or school.


  • #57
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Just to note, the Council failed to use the allocated government funding for the new pedestrian/cycle bridge between nuig & fisheries field. The project is now in jeopardy.


  • #58
    ciotog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭ciotog


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Just to note, the Council failed to use the allocated government funding for the new pedestrian/cycle bridge between nuig & fisheries field. The project is now in jeopardy.
    They failed to use the funding before year end. This 'use it or lose it' approach by the likes of the DoT is what allows city officials to coerce city councillors into approving bad schemes. It's also worth noting the comments from NUIG about their issues with the short amount of time between approval and deadline for draw down of funds. It feels like I'm defending the city council here, I feel dirty now.


  • #59
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Just to note, the Council failed to use the allocated government funding for the new pedestrian/cycle bridge between nuig & fisheries field. The project is now in jeopardy.

    Would it make much of a difference anyhow if it was in place for pedestrians and cyclists? Council are still idiots - not defending them for not drawing down the money, question is was it a good spending of money in the first place?


  • #60
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Yeah it would. It would open up the Fisheries Field area, which is currently a dead-end. Remove pedestrian/cyclist traffic from University Road and shorten (slightly) the distance between the campus and the city centre.
    If you look at the place where this bridge is to go, you'd wonder why it was not put there years ago.


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  • #61
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    ciotog wrote: »
    They failed to use the funding before year end. This 'use it or lose it' approach by the likes of the DoT is what allows city officials to coerce city councillors into approving bad schemes. It's also worth noting the comments from NUIG about their issues with the short amount of time between approval and deadline for draw down of funds. It feels like I'm defending the city council here, I feel dirty now.




    Ego te absolvo. Go and sin no more.

    Unless the facts justify such otherwise scandalous behaviour, of course.

    Thing is, the Council is right to point out that the timeframe was unrealistic. In the current economic climate it may even have been a ruse by central government to avoid spending the money. There are anecdotal reports of sneaky ways being found by different departments and agencies to thwart legitimate funding allocations. Then they can deny that any cutbacks are taking place.


  • #62
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Thing is, the Council is right to point out that the timeframe was unrealistic. In the current economic climate it may even have been a ruse by central government to avoid spending the money. There are anecdotal reports of sneaky ways being found by different departments and agencies to thwart legitimate funding allocations. Then they can deny that any cutbacks are taking place.

    Hmmmm I was at a meeting with Noel Dempsey in the Fisheries Board offices in either 2008 - 2009 (don't have time to go digging for notes now). The reason for that venue was because he was also there to have a look at the fisheries field bridge proposals.

    So at that time college/council must have had the proposal worked up to the point that they could put a cost on it and make a formal pitch to the Minister.

    Its not like they were "ambushed" with the funds.

    For the record, in the context of the needs of cyclists and pedestrians of Galway, I always considered this to be a scheme that should have been well down the list of priorities. We have been waiting for thirty years for something to be done about the one-way streets but they can pull out all the stops looking for money for a bridge at the back of the college bar?


  • #63
    celty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭celty


    galwaycyclist,

    Agree with you 100%. Galway is not at all a 'cycle friendly' city and this seemed like a bit of a luxury or distracting project when there are so many issues to be addressed.

    Still, a bridge across the Corrib for pedestrians and cyclists, with a special path all the way to Dangan sounded like a neat plan. It just sums the City Council up though, if they were given €250,000 but never got around to drawing it down last year.

    Obviously, both the Council and the College must have had firm plans, and yet the Council somehow 'forget' to use the money in the calendar year. You really couldn't make this up.

    Meanwhile, most cyclists in Galway have to deal with roads which are not at all designed for their needs each and every day.


  • #64
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hmmmm I was at a meeting with Noel Dempsey in the Fisheries Board offices in either 2008 - 2009 (don't have time to go digging for notes now). The reason for that venue was because he was also there to have a look at the fisheries field bridge proposals.

    So at that time college/council must have had the proposal worked up to the point that they could put a cost on it and make a formal pitch to the Minister.

    Its not like they were "ambushed" with the funds.

    For the record, in the context of the needs of cyclists and pedestrians of Galway, I always considered this to be a scheme that should have been well down the list of priorities. We have been waiting for thirty years for something to be done about the one-way streets but they can pull out all the stops looking for money for a bridge at the back of the college bar?




    I know the project has been mooted for a while, and that it's not on everybody's priority list, but IIRC the €250k was allocated relatively late in the day. If the Council and others really have been 100% in favour of the plan since 2008, would they not have dedicated the relevant funds before now?

    I'm not aware that there is significant opposition to the proposal among the elected members and various stakeholders, so would they have to be scared into supporting it by the usual ploy of claiming the funds will be lost if they don't accept the GTU's recommendation without question?

    Agreed re the value (and hence strategic political neglect?) of area-wide enabling measures like one-way street exemptions. That would not be a vanity project, presumably, and there would probably be no ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Mayor and officials to attend...


  • #65
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Yeah it would. It would open up the Fisheries Field area, which is currently a dead-end. Remove pedestrian/cyclist traffic from University Road and shorten (slightly) the distance between the campus and the city centre.
    If you look at the place where this bridge is to go, you'd wonder why it was not put there years ago.

    Not convinced its really necessary.
    Will it be used at night time? It will only remove pedestrian and cyclists on a small stretch of University Road around 100meters and why does this type of "traffic" need to be removed in the first place? How many meters will it shorten the journey by?


  • #66
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    So what claims are they making for the proposed (and currently unfunded) pedestrian/cycle bridge?

    Is it a decorative monument to tokenism, or a genuine greenway, albeit a short one?

    Could there be an ulterior motive, eg facilitating new traffic flow arrangements on University Road?


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  • #67
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Iwannahurl wrote: »

    Could there be an ulterior motive, eg facilitating new traffic flow arrangements on University Road?

    Well they are also planning a new road bridge at the cathedral


  • #68
    beardybrewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭beardybrewer


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Well they are also planning a new road bridge at the cathedral

    They've been talking about that for a long time. Are there some definitive plans on the books? Wonder what the stats are for accidents there. Never seen one but always think about it whenever I cross it (in car or as pedestrian)


  • #69
    PauricTheLodger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭PauricTheLodger


    Anyone know what happened with the bike rental scheme they were talking about? The one that was akin to Dublin's?


  • #70
    ladhrann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭ladhrann


    ciotog wrote: »
    They failed to use the funding before year end. This 'use it or lose it' approach by the likes of the DoT is what allows city officials to coerce city councillors into approving bad schemes. It's also worth noting the comments from NUIG about their issues with the short amount of time between approval and deadline for draw down of funds. It feels like I'm defending the city council here, I feel dirty now.

    Amen, the city council is staffed by engineers stuck in a 70s mindset of cars, interchanges and lights. The whole of public space (which is what a road is) is geared towards one user only, and that is the private car.

    Essentially all of the architecture of Galway city is based on a road engineers handbook akin to that which built Ballymun & Rahoon flats, all people need to live is roads, cars and housing.

    Before I'm accused of hijacking the thread, what I am trying to do is encourage debate from first principles of land and usage. i.e. that good design starts from the smallest element.

    Have any readers ever wondered why seats in bus shelters are so high? i.e. unusable for the short, women, children. Or why kerb heights are so high, impeding pedestrians, wheelchair users, people with prams, the elderly etc.

    How would a walkway/cycleway over the Clifden railway line improve the lot of your average cyclist at all? It would not offer a quicker route across town and more importantly, due to its height over the regular road surface it would be very difficult to use owing to the incline. That is not to say that it would not be an important amenity.

    In addition to the points I've made, one of the greatest difficulties I have as a cyclist in Galway is the nature of the road surface on the lefthand side of the road. A cyclist is always pushed into that side of the road by the traffic. Gullies, potholes, puddles, incredibly poor (re)surfacing are a significant threat to the cyclist. Aside from wear and tear on the machine, there is the very real likelihood of being thrown or losing control as a result of plunging into a hole 4" off true.


  • #71
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    According to Padraig Con the walkway to UCG is still going ahead. Apparently its being constructed in Limerick at the moment. There is a little bit about it on Galwaynews.


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  • #72
    phonejacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭phonejacker


    need advice:

    i was thinking of cycling into GMIT from spiddle/inverin area. somedays i start at 9am and other days i finish at 6pm so i would have to cycle in the dark on country roads with no hard shoulder. (not to mind when its windy and rains). its 30km each way. then last year somebody stole a bike which was owned by a lecturer at the college. the bike was left at the back of the college so maybe thats why it happened. i looked the last day at the bikes that were left at gmit and all of them were mountain bikes and mine is a racer bike which is a more expensive bike so more of a risk of getting stolen. so if u were me would u do it?


  • #73
    ladhrann
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭ladhrann


    Its certainly doable, I would recommend reflective clothing and additional lights. Also many shops would recommend you spend at least 10% of the cost of the bike on the lock. I'd recommend a Kryptonite, get the 'New York' lock, and always lock through front wheel to the frame and the fixed object. Make sure to lock it to something secure and tall so that a thief cannot lift it over the support. You'd be surprised how many people lock bikes to ordinary traffic bollards, saplings etc.


  • #74
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Government says it is funding the Fisheries Field new link, work is progressing on it from the college side anyway
    Funding will also be allocated towards the cities’ traffic management centre and continued construction of the Fisheries Field Greenway linking NUI Galway with the cathedral. http://www.galwaynews.ie/24620-public-transport-minister-commits-tackling-city-congestion


  • #75
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Government says it is funding the Fisheries Field new link, work is progressing on it from the college side anyway

    Hey snubbleste, are they clearing ground for it or putting in access for this new bridge on the NUIG grounds? Where exactly is it? Behind the IMI?


  • #76
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    what_traffic wrote: »
    Hey snubbleste, are they clearing ground for it or putting in access for this new bridge on the NUIG grounds? Where exactly is it? Behind the IMI?

    Yeah, it's behind the college bar. They've been at it at least two months now. You can see from the southern end of Arasnamacléinn where the bridge is going to go, over the eglinton canal and some other small stream and emerging just north of the building where Macnas used to do its stuff. It's supposed to be a cable stay bridge. Should be done by the summer.


  • #77
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Government says it is funding the Fisheries Field new link, work is progressing on it from the college side anyway

    The thought occurs that for this investment of state funds to be "defendable" as a "traffic solution", then NUI, Galway should be required to make the car-parking at Dangan accessible to the public and provide monitored secure-bike parking. It would give car-commuters the option of a "park and bike" solution. I think its too far out for a viable "park and stride" location.


  • #78
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    The thought occurs that for this investment of state funds to be "defendable" as a "traffic solution", then NUI, Galway should be required to make the car-parking at Dangan accessible to the public and provide monitored secure-bike parking. It would give car-commuters the option of a "park and bike" solution. I think its too far out for a viable "park and stride" location.
    Doubt NUIG would come on board - unless they could make money from it?
    Whats the occupancy like of it?
    True re distance - even for NUIG IT has to be 1km or greater to the Concourse
    For secure bike parking.
    The could trial something like this which is installed at Luas stations in Dublin
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75891983&postcount=11


  • #79
    celty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭celty


    what_traffic wrote: »
    Hey snubbleste, are they clearing ground for it or putting in access for this new bridge on the NUIG grounds? Where exactly is it? Behind the IMI?

    Yes, between IMI and Fisheries Field, ie across the canal rather than the Corrib.


  • #80
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    celty wrote: »
    Yes, between IMI and Fisheries Field, ie across the canal rather than the Corrib.

    Hi celty. Are there any other obvious works going on? I am trying to figure out where people are supposed to go from the macnas building? Are they supposed to go in and out the usual fisheries field entrance? Do you reckon this is an easier or harder place to hang a right turn than up at Wards shop?


  • #81
    celty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭celty


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hi celty. Are there any other obvious works going on? I am trying to figure out where people are supposed to go from the macnas building? Are they supposed to go in and out the usual fisheries field entrance? Do you reckon this is an easier or harder place to hang a right turn than up at Wards shop?

    I don't think there is too much visible there yet, cos the bridge is being assembled in Limerick and just moved to the site after it is ready. Might take a look over the weekend.

    I also cycle home via the Cathedral, will have to wait and see if it will be worth going that way once it's up and running.


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  • #82
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Hi

    Does anyone here use the Western Distributor or Rahoon Roads? There is some kind of activity on Millars lane with some kind of barriers being installed.

    Has anyone tried to get through these on a bike? Are they passable or do they seem to be intended to block cyclists? (Millars lane is supposed to be a cycle route)


  • #83
    jkforde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭jkforde


    That work's being going on for roughly the last two weeks..haven't been down there for a nosey yet but those barriers do look like they're bicycle friendly (put there to block off car dumping and burning I suppose)

    Oh, and anyone know who's the main fella in GCC to ask about getting the red cycle surface on the WDR between Dunnes and the Clybaun Hotel redone, there's one section near the bring bank where it's in bad shape, reckon by the brushes of the road cleaner.

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  • #84
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    inisboffin wrote: »
    Cyclist hit yesterday on Shantalla Rd, ambulance called. Hopefully it wasn't too serious.

    Watched a car clip a cyclist on Rahoon Rd (into Shantalla stretch) two days ago, car drove on, cyclist wobbled, stopped and continued.

    Fairly frequent occurrence in daylight on that road tbh, so *not* very safe there at least.

    Don't get the non-lit cyclists there either. It's bad enough when you're fully visible, why make it easier to be hit?

    agree, the invisible cyclists are always on the road. Surely they should be pulled over the same as a car with no lights. You cannot actually see some of these guys until you are right on top of them, - the have the stupidity to wear all dark clothes also, and when you beep at them they look at you as if you have two heads. pure idiots. If you are going to cycle, then have some common sense.


  • #85
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    jkforde wrote: »
    Oh, and anyone know who's the main fella in GCC to ask about getting the red cycle surface on the WDR between Dunnes and the Clybaun Hotel redone, there's one section near the bring bank where it's in bad shape, reckon by the brushes of the road cleaner.

    Thats hard to know at this point since the city council now has a roads department and a Galway Transport Unit.

    I suspect that part of the problem is that the council have not been maintaining the cycle lanes at all. If you look at the road surface the top "wearing course" has been replaced on the central traffic lanes but not on the cycle lanes. The central part is actually higher than the cycle lanes and there is a lip between the two.

    The GTUs "plan" for these cycle lanes is to try and get them up onto the footpath or a parallel "footpath type" structure where most likely they will never get swept at all.


  • #86
    Galwayps
    Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Galwayps


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Hi celty. Are there any other obvious works going on? I am trying to figure out where people are supposed to go from the macnas building? Are they supposed to go in and out the usual fisheries field entrance? Do you reckon this is an easier or harder place to hang a right turn than up at Wards shop?
    The bridge is going to link up with the pedestrian/cycle path built last year in the fisheries field which comes out at a gate near the Salmon weir bridge .
    Not any shorter I would say but just nicer journey and away from traffic.
    You can walk the path at the moment but the gate is closed at end.


  • #87
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Galwayps wrote: »
    The bridge is going to link up with the pedestrian/cycle path built last year in the fisheries field which comes out at a gate near the Salmon weir bridge .
    Not any shorter I would say but just nicer journey and away from traffic.
    You can walk the path at the moment but the gate is closed at end.

    Ok so how would you access this gate if you were coming accross the Salmon weir Bridge from town?


  • #88
    Galwayps
    Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Galwayps


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Ok so how would you access this gate if you were coming accross the Salmon weir Bridge from town?

    I put together a map of the route as I understand it.
    As I said the path is already completed in the fisheries field.
    There could be an intention for this path to eventually link in with a pedestrian bridge over corrib beside salmon wier as was mooted several years ago but for now It will come out via this small gate and tiny bridge over a mill channel that is mostly hdden
    http://g.co/maps/t74g9


  • #89
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Robbo wrote: »
    I point to Galway cyclists and I point to this. That is all.

    Greenfieldism, am I doing it right?

    Drivers break the law too-
    • Drivers break speed limits. 30 on the dual carriagway from N17 down to roundabout by Pillo hotel, 100 on country roads
    • talking on the phone
    • parking on footpath
    • parking on double yellow lines
    • drivining with no tax
    • driving with no insurance
    • driving with no NCT
    • driving without seatbelt.

    Cyclists are allowed cycle 2 abreast, dont' have to cycle to the left by law.
    Would you prefer if they did this and blocked cars rather than b
    reaking red lights and hoping onto the footpath?

    Cyclists don't kill people.


  • #90
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    dinneenp wrote: »
    Drivers break the law too-
    • Drivers break speed limits. 30 on the dual carriagway from N17 down to roundabout by Pillo hotel, 100 on country roads
    • talking on the phone
    • parking on footpath
    • parking on double yellow lines
    • drivining with no tax
    • driving with no insurance
    • driving with no NCT
    • driving without seatbelt.

    Cyclists are allowed cycle 2 abreast, dont' have to cycle to the left by law.
    Would you prefer if they did this and blocked cars rather than b
    reaking red lights and hoping onto the footpath?

    Cyclists don't kill people.
    Perhaps you could, starting with the 1961 Act, just list out all road traffic offences in handy list format?

    My point was about the petty standard of Greenfieldism in the thread to that point. I even lampshaded it, yet here we are, with it arising again.

    It does raise a point that on the internets, a cyclist/motorist will latch onto any tiny opportunity to go on off one one, pointing the finger shouting "The other lot are worse".


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  • #91
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    dinneenp wrote: »
    Drivers break the law too-
    • Drivers break speed limits. 30 on the dual carriagway from N17 down to roundabout by Pillo hotel, 100 on country roads
    • talking on the phone
    • parking on footpath
    • parking on double yellow lines
    • drivining with no tax
    • driving with no insurance
    • driving with no NCT
    • driving without seatbelt.

    Cyclists are allowed cycle 2 abreast, dont' have to cycle to the left by law.
    Would you prefer if they did this and blocked cars rather than b
    reaking red lights and hoping onto the footpath?

    Cyclists don't kill people.

    maybe put lights on their bikes and wear light clothing instead of trying to play hide and seek with cars,, and then cry if somebody doesn't see them. :D


  • #92
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    whineflu wrote: »
    I always yield to pedestrians at crossings and I never cycle on foot paths but I'll stop jumping red lights when the majority of motorists obey the city speed limit.
    whineflu wrote: »
    I always yield to pedestrians at crossings and I never cycle on foot paths but I'll stop jumping red lights when the majority of motorists obey the city speed limit.

    That's more than a little bit shortsighted and hypocritical, it's your responsibility to obey the rules of the road and yours alone. The actions of others are no excuse for "selective observance" of the rules. If you want to take the higher moral ground in the issue, then bear this in mind.
    dinneenp wrote: »
    Cyclists don't kill people.

    Really - let's take the example above. Cyclist breaks a red light causing motorists to swerve, killing a pedestrian. Whose fault is the accident - the driver that was forced to swerve in order to save a life (unintentionally taking another) or the idiot that forced the swerve (in order to save a few seconds)?


  • #93
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Notwithstanding that its Friday - I would ask that nobody feeds the trolls


  • #94
    McTigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭McTigs


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Really - let's take the example above. Cyclist breaks a red light causing motorists to swerve, killing a pedestrian. Whose fault is the accident - the driver that was forced to swerve in order to save a life (unintentionally taking another) or the idiot that forced the swerve (in order to save a few seconds)?
    that example is fair enough but i honestly believe that of all the deaths on the road the percentage of them caused by cyclists must be so tiny as to be insignificant.

    That is pretty much an inargueable fact. Dinneenp is correct in what he says save for some far fetched whataboutery


  • #95
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Robbo wrote: »
    Perhaps you could, starting with the 1961 Act, just list out all road traffic offences in handy list format?

    My point was about the petty standard of Greenfieldism in the thread to that point. I even lampshaded it, yet here we are, with it arising again.

    It does raise a point that on the internets, a cyclist/motorist will latch onto any tiny opportunity to go on off one one, pointing the finger shouting "The other lot are worse".

    I gave my point because it's normally motorists that give out about cyclists breaking red lights.
    When I cycle and break red lights, cycle on the footpath I'm watching out for any cars/walkers that are about. I don't swerve in front of a car if I'm breakig a red light, that'd be dangerous for me.

    Cyclists are always going to do this, keep movement going rather than stop and use energy to build up speed again.


  • #96
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    dinneenp wrote: »
    I gave my point because it's normally motorists that give out about cyclists breaking red lights.
    When I cycle and break red lights, cycle on the footpath I'm watching out for any cars/walkers that are about. I don't swerve in front of a car if I'm breakig a red light, that'd be dangerous for me.

    Cyclists are always going to do this, keep movement going rather than stop and use energy to build up speed again.

    Paris cyclists given right to break traffic laws
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9067129/Paris-cyclists-given-right-to-break-traffic-laws.html

    Paris to allow cyclists to run red lights in bid to cut accidents
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097882/Paris-allow-cyclists-run-red-lights-bid-cut-accidents.html

    European Cities Allowing Bikes to Run Red Lights
    http://transportationnation.org/2012/02/09/european-cities-allowing-bikes-to-run-red-lights/

    In Galway, the Seamus Quirke redesign is an example of a road where this type of arrangement "could" have been provided if the designers were acting in good faith in their claims of wanting to promote cycling. e.g the junction of the old and new SQRs. Other junctions where a derogation from red lights, or alternative traffic signals for cyclists, could be worth exploring include.
    Fr. Griffin Rd/Fairhill (The fire station)
    N17/Liosban
    N17/Riverside
    Newcastle Rd-N59/Distillery Rd
    Old Dublin Rd/Renmore Rd
    Old Dublin Rd/New Mervue

    There are also some lights where a bypass arrangement or separate traffic signals for left-turning cyclists should be possible.


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  • #97
    crusher000
    Registered Users Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    Love cycling and I live 17 miles outside of Galway. Winter months take the car summer cycle in. All in all Galway isn't all that bad for cycling although lately has become a bit hazardous with the road works. Last summer had to come of cycle lane at the top of Tuam road down towards Pillo Hotel because of ongoing works and lorries parked on the cycle path. Some motorists still looked at me with disdain for being on "their road" all I could do is laugh to myself. Like everything else the more used to a situation we are the more tolerant we become. When I started cycling first I think I was hyper sensitive to motorist cutting me off etc. but the more confident I became on my bike the more relaxed I became seeing the dangers ahead is a big help.


  • #98
    galway_cyclist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭galway_cyclist


    Hi All,

    I have recently taken to the bike again to avoid the traffic jams and get a bit more exercise into my day. I always wear a helmet and always obey the rules of the road.

    There is one junction on my route that I have particular problems negotiating as I meet cars on my side of the road on an daily basis. Basically I am cycling in the direction of Moycullen and I am moving into the right hand turn lane to enter NUIG here and I often meet cars driving towards me in order to pass out the traffic jam on their side of the road. It has come to the stage now where I believe I am going to get knocked off the bike as this happens on a daily basis...Any advice? Thanks


  • #99
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    As you progress north in the morning, extend your right arm in a rigid manner, then motion it slightly(or attempt a jazz hands) to indicate to all and sundry your plain desire to enter the right-turning lane. Then you proceed, move into the right hand lane and turn right.
    If a motorist wants to ignore the road markings and jeopardise you and your transport, stand your ground and stare them down. Eventually the left lane will move and the motorist(s) must move into it.


  • #100
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    yeah thats a dodgy right hander especially in rush hour,
    You could take the AIB entrance into the university and follow the road under the bridge instead but I appreciate this might be out of your way, probably best to get off the bike on the left and wait to cross from there or walk up the footpath and wheel the bike on the right from the junction and crossing below, failing that get some flashers for your back and a high vis make sure they can see you.


  • #101
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Shakti wrote: »
    yeah thats a dodgy right hander especially in rush hour,
    You could take the AIB entrance into the university and follow the road under the bridge instead but I appreciate this might be out of your way, probably best to get off the bike on the left and wait to cross from there or walk up the footpath and wheel the bike on the right from the junction and crossing below, failing that get some flashers for your back and a high vis make sure they can see you.

    This is a good recommendation. i.e change your route if this makes your route easier to negotiate. @OP Only way to change the current illegal behaviour would be to report it to the Gardai and the City Council.


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