Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

daddydick · 20-05-2012 2:48pm

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/connery-expands-horizon-194432.html

Good article here from yesterdays examiner. The committment given by the footballers that come from Dublin for training midweek is unbelivable...best of luck to them today in Limerick.

Even without Hurney I fancy an upset, especially if Ferncombe starts, he's extremely dangerous.

Great start to the day with the juniors winning by 6 points, lets hope the seniors follow suit.

Top drawer · 20-05-2012 3:08pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Hslaw wrote: »

Maybe its time to stop underestimating clubs from the west,they are getting better,

Undoubtedly, but Ballyduff Upper at present are bottom of Group 2, and Dunhill are not an eastern team and that was a really bad result for Mount Sion. I wouldn't put too much stock in the league mind you, I'd imagine they were missing all their County players bar Tony so it's probably irrelevant. They are, however, fighting for their lives if they lose to Fourmilewater next weekend.

Ive worked out that if dunhill lose to roanmore and mount sion lose to fourmile and tallow, sion are in relegation, i dont think anybody underestimates the teams from the west anymore, west abu

Top drawer · 20-05-2012 3:55pm

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Ive worked out that if dunhill lose to roanmore and mount sion lose to fourmile and tallow, sion are in relegation, i dont think anybody underestimates the teams from the west anymore, west abu[/Quote]
As in roanmore will have 3 points, dunhill 2 and sion be bottom regardless of roanmore game because of head to head with dunhill game

deisebhoy17 · 20-05-2012 4:21pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

15 strawberries

good one

zol 2 · 20-05-2012 5:23pm

Limerick 2-12 Waterford 0-7

We failed to score in the second half having put up a sterling effort in the first half,what went wrong?

Fireball07 · 20-05-2012 5:26pm

zol 2 wrote: »

Limerick 2-12 Waterford 0-7

We failed to score in the second half having put up a sterling effort in the first half,what went wrong?

Sounded like the option-taking by Waterford was terrible in the second half. After you missed the penalty, it all went wrong I think.

We also upped our defensive effort.

zol 2 · 20-05-2012 5:29pm

Waterford minor hurlers:

Waterford 3-24

Laois 0-12

A second string Waterford outfit won this comfortably today in Walsh Park.None of the 15 that started against Clare started here.

One piece of bad news to come out of the camp is that Cathal Curran will miss the Tipp game as he will be having a hand operation next week and will be out for up to 8 weeks.

deisebhoy17 · 20-05-2012 6:08pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

Sounded like the option-taking by Waterford was terrible in the second half. After you missed the penalty, it all went wrong I think.

We also upped our defensive effort.

Very hard to take any positives out of this. No score in the 2nd half against a pretty poor limerick side. Further underlines how much we rely on Gary Hurney (who isnt going to be around for ever either).

John Owens I know has been critical of the co. boards decision to play a round of the hurling championship last weekend, he has a point as football championship games have often been cancelled weeks before the hurlers are due to play, but in truth we have gone backwards this year anyway and Id question if Owens has much more to offer after this season is over. Our record in the qualifiers is so bad its hard to see us doing anything in that either. Its been a pretty grim year for waterford football overall

deisebhoy17 · 20-05-2012 6:09pm

zol 2 wrote: »

One piece of bad news to come out of the camp is that Cathal Curran will miss the Tipp game as he will be having a hand operation next week and will be out for up to 8 weeks.

Big loss becuase that lad was outstanding in Ennis and for Col na Deise this season

Mountainlad · 20-05-2012 7:29pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Very hard to take any positives out of this. No score in the 2nd half against a pretty poor limerick side. Further underlines how much we rely on Gary Hurney (who isnt going to be around for ever either).

John Owens I know has been critical of the co. boards decision to play a round of the hurling championship last weekend, he has a point as football championship games have often been cancelled weeks before the hurlers are due to play, but in truth we have gone backwards this year anyway and Id question if Owens has much more to offer after this season is over. Our record in the qualifiers is so bad its hard to see us doing anything in that either. Its been a pretty grim year for waterford football overall

Ah they're missing more than Hurney though. Paul Whyte missed out today, a player I've fierce respect for. Tommy Prender is only just back after a long lay off. Dunno what the story with Mick Ahearn is but they could really do with him too.

The way Waterford football has been underage the last few years it's hard to see where the Seniors are supposed to get the players and the ability to drive on, there's no real foundation to build from. I don't think we've a bad football team, they could do with a boost though.

hardybuck · 21-05-2012 9:47am

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ah they're missing more than Hurney though. Paul Whyte missed out today, a player I've fierce respect for. Tommy Prender is only just back after a long lay off. Dunno what the story with Mick Ahearn is but they could really do with him too.

The way Waterford football has been underage the last few years it's hard to see where the Seniors are supposed to get the players and the ability to drive on, there's no real foundation to build from. I don't think we've a bad football team, they could do with a boost though.

They've been operating like a country club side in recent years, hoping to have a strong underage team every few years, and then bring the odd lad through every year.

I'm worried about the long term as the standard of underteams has fallen dramatically in recent years, and from what I can see the underage club standard has gone in a similar direction.

I heard that the Co.B are looking for a Director of Football, and at least this might be a move in the right direction. Every other county around us have upped their game, we need to do likewise.

Black Suir · 21-05-2012 10:07am

hardybuck wrote: »

They've been operating like a country club side in recent years, hoping to have a strong underage team every few years, and then bring the odd lad through every year.

I'm worried about the long term as the standard of underteams has fallen dramatically in recent years, and from what I can see the underage club standard has gone in a similar direction.

I heard that the Co.B are looking for a Director of Football, and at least this might be a move in the right direction. Every other county around us have upped their game, we need to do likewise.

The story on the ground is that Clubs were asked to forward names of those who they think might be best suited for the position. Only one name was forwarded, rumoured to be a present county senior footballer and he turned down the position. The County Board and Coiste Peil are now supposed to be looking for someone between them. I know there it is not right to name names here at times but will here. I believe we have a very good man in the county to fill the positon if asked - John 'Jackson' Kiely. Whoever takes the job will have to be back fully by the county board, as should Bord na nÓg and the Coaching Committee. Tipp have come on alot after John Evans got involved there. There is no reason why the same cant happen here.

hardybuck · 21-05-2012 10:13am

Black Suir wrote: »

The story on the ground is that Clubs were asked to forward names of those who they think might be best suited for the position. Only one name was forwarded, rumoured to be a present county senior footballer and he turned down the position. The County Board and Coiste Peil are now supposed to be looking for someone between them. I know there it is not right to name names here at times but will here. I believe we have a very good man in the county to fill the positon if asked - John 'Jackson' Kiely. Whoever takes the job will have to be back fully by the county board, as should Bord na nÓg and the Coaching Committee. Tipp have come on alot after John Evans got involved there. There is no reason why the same cant happen here.

I heard the name forwarded, and I think he would be a fantastic choice. I think that this position is unpaid, which wouldn't help when attracting candidates.

solarith · 21-05-2012 1:10pm

Anyone recommending John Kiely for an administrative position clearly has no experience of dealing with him.

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I literally cannot stress how bad a choice this would be. The position is about promotion of underage football through administration and organization. Kiely has some qualities but these are not them. Not even close.

hardybuck · 21-05-2012 1:59pm

solarith wrote: »

Anyone recommending John Kiely for an administrative position clearly has no experience of dealing with him.

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I literally cannot stress how bad a choice this would be. The position is about promotion of underage football through administration and organization. Kiely has some qualities but these are not them. Not even close.

I completely agree with you. Kiely has little coaching ability, would be a disaster with administration. Wouldn't have anywhere near the level of professionalism required.

While I hate to be critical of people who have given so much of their time to the county, he was a safe pair of hands for a county board who were particularly anti-football at the time. With the raw talent Waterford had at the time, we should be an established Div 3 or even Div 2 county at this stage.

Top drawer · 21-05-2012 10:35pm

Enough football talk, bad team, bad county board, bad for years for bad reasons, back to the hurling for some excitement

solarith · 21-05-2012 11:16pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I completely agree with you. Kiely has little coaching ability, would be a disaster with administration. Wouldn't have anywhere near the level of professionalism required.

While I hate to be critical of people who have given so much of their time to the county, he was a safe pair of hands for a county board who were particularly anti-football at the time. With the raw talent Waterford had at the time, we should be an established Div 3 or even Div 2 county at this stage.

Kiely got the right people playing football again (no one could deny that), but stayed on for years longer than he should have, and in the end was a real limiting agent to the team's progression. Also I agree that we should be established div 3 team, the relegation last year was a serious blow to everyone.

@Top Drawer - maybe you could try and guide the conversation if you want/are capable of something constructive and/or intelligent instead of just being an ass.

hardybuck · 22-05-2012 12:06am

solarith wrote: »

Kiely got the right people playing football again (no one could deny that), but stayed on for years longer than he should have, and in the end was a real limiting agent to the team's progression. Also I agree that we should be established div 3 team, the relegation last year was a serious blow to everyone.

@Top Drawer - maybe you could try and guide the conversation if you want/are capable of something constructive and/or intelligent instead of just being an ass.

I wouldn't agree. One of his key faults in my eyes were his bizarre team selections.

If you look at other counties who haven't won U21 Championships since we've won one - counties like Meath, Louth, Westmeath, Sligo, Derry, Monaghan etc., they're all challenging for senior provincials and established division 2 & 3 counties.

But aside from that, we're agreeing that Kiely wouldn't be the man for the job. Perhaps we should go straight out and approach Evans. He has done the job in Tipp with success and is obviously still hungry for work as he has joined Meath as a selector. Unfortunately we probably wouldn't have the resources to attract someone like that.

solarith · 22-05-2012 11:09pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I wouldn't agree. One of his key faults in my eyes were his bizarre team selections.

If you look at other counties who haven't won U21 Championships since we've won one - counties like Meath, Louth, Westmeath, Sligo, Derry, Monaghan etc., they're all challenging for senior provincials and established division 2 & 3 counties.

But aside from that, we're agreeing that Kiely wouldn't be the man for the job. Perhaps we should go straight out and approach Evans. He has done the job in Tipp with success and is obviously still hungry for work as he has joined Meath as a selector. Unfortunately we probably wouldn't have the resources to attract someone like that.

Well, Tipp went from Owens to Evans and progressed....! Maybe if they begged Jason Ryan too seeing as he is now based in Dungarvan :P

Mountainlad · 22-05-2012 11:43pm

solarith wrote: »

Well, Tipp went from Owens to Evans and progressed....! Maybe if they begged Jason Ryan too seeing as he is now based in Dungarvan :P

How many Senior championship games did they win under Evans?

I don't doubt that he had an involvement in their underage, but not to the extent he would claim himself. Don't think he was all he was cracked up to be.

It would be truly wonderful to say Jason involved in Waterford football, but it won't happen in the near future I wouldn't think.

deisebhoy17 · 23-05-2012 8:16am

Mountainlad wrote: »

How many Senior championship games did they win under Evans?

I don't doubt that he had an involvement in their underage, but not to the extent he would claim himself. Don't think he was all he was cracked up to be.

It would be truly wonderful to say Jason involved in Waterford football, but it won't happen in the near future I wouldn't think.

Tbf theyve been unlucky with draws the got the last few seasons coming up against Kerry. They did get into Division 2 under his reign. They got relegated then and no doubt it all went a bit stale under him the last season or two. But minor and 21 progress cant be ignored.

I dont think he has come out claiming to have single handedly turned the fortunes of Tipp football either. He just realised the potential that was there and helped point the right people in the right direction. Thats what we need aswell. Just a separate body to look out for the interests of football in the county, and not to be walked all over by the hurling people so much.

The only thing they got wrong in Tipp was leaving Evans as manager of the seniors for as long as they did. It blatantly wasnt working anymore but were probably afraid to make the call due to all the other good work he was doing

Mountainlad · 23-05-2012 2:18pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Tbf theyve been unlucky with draws the got the last few seasons coming up against Kerry. They did get into Division 2 under his reign. They got relegated then and no doubt it all went a bit stale under him the last season or two. But minor and 21 progress cant be ignored.

I dont think he has come out claiming to have single handedly turned the fortunes of Tipp football either. He just realised the potential that was there and helped point the right people in the right direction. Thats what we need aswell. Just a separate body to look out for the interests of football in the county, and not to be walked all over by the hurling people so much.

The only thing they got wrong in Tipp was leaving Evans as manager of the seniors for as long as they did. It blatantly wasnt working anymore but were probably afraid to make the call due to all the other good work he was doing

I'd accept that they have been pretty unlucky with the draws in Munster, though I do feel that they'd never have beaten Limerick in the championship (cept maybe last year) when he was in charge, and I'd be skeptical about saying they'd definitely have beaten us as well. It may have worked in his favour in that sense that his reputation wasn't tarnished.

As for his involvement in their underage, I think it was far more limited than he would have you believe. Heard second hand from people that know Tipp players that he has a huge ego and that the players didn't like him at all towards the end. It wasn't that it got stale, they just couldn't handle his personality and I think that is evidenced by them drawing and winning their last two games in the league.

Anyway, gone way off topic with this. This is a Waterford page, so I'll stop talking about Tipp. Think we'd be better served to find our own way of doing things (and I mean doing them properly, not like now) rather than just copying Tipp. If we do that, we'll always be a step or two behind them.

deisebhoy17 · 23-05-2012 10:06pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Think we'd be better served to find our own way of doing things (and I mean doing them properly, not like now) rather than just copying Tipp. If we do that, we'll always be a step or two behind them.

I know a lot of people looking to go that direction though in order to improve things and in fairness it isnt a bad model to go on. People above have been mentioning Jackson Kiely and someone similar to John Evans for this role.

I dont have anyone particular in mind myself I wouldnt really know that much about people around at the moment. What I would think is that if we were to get someone like that in is that he wouldnt exactly need to be some sort of a gealic football genius. Obviously experience in the game and administrative skills would be important but the main thing for me would be someone who would be strong enough to stand up and be counted , and someone who would be willing to listen to what people on the ground are saying.

We should learn from the Tipp model and maybe see its not a great idea to have the same person as manager of the intercounty teams. A 'directior of gealic football' should be someone to oversee the ongoing progress and development of the game within the county from an administrative level and make sure that the right people are on the sidelines overseeing the onfield activities. Whether its a fulltime or part time role is debatable.

Personally I think football in the county is still recovering from the disastrous administration under the previous co. board Chairman in which the game was completely disrespected. There are a lot of genuine football people within the county that are fighting an uphill battle and deserve better backup from the powers that be

Mountainlad · 23-05-2012 11:57pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

I know a lot of people looking to go that direction though in order to improve things and in fairness it isnt a bad model to go on. People above have been mentioning Jackson Kiely and someone similar to John Evans for this role.

I dont have anyone particular in mind myself I wouldnt really know that much about people around at the moment. What I would think is that if we were to get someone like that in is that he wouldnt exactly need to be some sort of a gealic football genius. Obviously experience in the game and administrative skills would be important but the main thing for me would be someone who would be strong enough to stand up and be counted , and someone who would be willing to listen to what people on the ground are saying.

We should learn from the Tipp model and maybe see its not a great idea to have the same person as manager of the intercounty teams. A 'directior of gealic football' should be someone to oversee the ongoing progress and development of the game within the county from an administrative level and make sure that the right people are on the sidelines overseeing the onfield activities. Whether its a fulltime or part time role is debatable.

Personally I think football in the county is still recovering from the disastrous administration under the previous co. board Chairman in which the game was completely disrespected. There are a lot of genuine football people within the county that are fighting an uphill battle and deserve better backup from the powers that be

Your finally talkin sense lad

deisebhoy17 · 24-05-2012 8:06am

Mountainlad wrote: »

Your finally talkin sense lad

Im a gaa man like the rest of ye too

premierstone · 24-05-2012 11:12am

Not to be derailing the Waterford thread or anything, but just wanted to echo Mountain's comments re Tipperary Football and the input that Evans had in it, all the current underage success had nothing to do with Evans, all the structures that fed this success were in place and were bearing fruit long before he's arrival.

IsMiseJoe · 24-05-2012 7:25pm

When do Waterford kick-off their Munster Hurling Championship campaign?

mccarthy37 · 24-05-2012 8:04pm

IsMiseJoe wrote: »

When do Waterford kick-off their Munster Hurling Championship campaign?

17th June against Clare and I'd say there will be plenty of kicking in it.

deisebhoy17 · 25-05-2012 7:44am

Scores of note: U21 Challenege game last night Clare 7-21 Kilkenny 1-16 We play Clare in the championship on July 21st:eek:

Also Wexford beat Galway 4-21 to 1-10 indicates they are a force to be reckoned with too

Hslaw · 25-05-2012 12:49pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Scores of note: U21 Challenege game last night Clare 7-21 Kilkenny 1-16 We play Clare in the championship on July 21st:eek:
Also Wexford beat Galway 4-21 to 1-10 indicates they are a force to be reckoned with too

I know its just a challenge but
Jesus Clare really hammered them,the cats not use to been thumped around the place like that,
Great win for wexford too

PTH2009 · 25-05-2012 1:47pm

Anyone else have any fear about June 17th.. ??. We are missing quite a number of players because of travel reasons/injurys etc and davy knws us like the back of his hand.

We could possilby be out of the championship on July 7th. If we lose to Clare we will have to play either Dublin,Wexford, Offaly, Galway or Kilkenny.

30 euro for a covered stand ticket, 25 for an uncovered stand ticket is a bit steep.

PTH2009 · 25-05-2012 1:59pm

my team for the 17th.

1 Adrian Power

2 Aidan Kearney
3 Liam Lawlor
4 Philip Mahoney

5 Tony Browne
6 Michael Brick Walsh
7 David O Sullivan

8 Stephen Molumphy
9 Kevin Moran

10 Maurice Shanahan
11 Seamus Prendergast
12 Martin O Neill

13 John Mullane
14 Shane Walsh
15 Gavin O Brian

Eoin Kelly and Noel Connors first choice subs if fit.

calvin_zola · 25-05-2012 2:11pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

knws us like the back of his hand.

We could possilby be out of the championship on July 7th. If we lose to Clare we will have to play either Dublin,Wexford, Offaly, Galway or Kilkenny.

30 euro for a covered stand ticket, 25 for an uncovered stand ticket is a bit steep.

I know that Davys knows us like the back of his hand, but we also know Davy. and we know that Davy don't have a plan B IMO... I don't think we will get beat, and I think that the team you name out is a good team, the back line is good, all guys tried and tested bar mahoney and o'sullivan, same from mid field up to forwards, 2 rookies in martin o'neill and gavin o'brien.... Clare also have some young uns' in there team.... Now that isn't to say this team are any world beaters, but neither are Clare, and if we can hurl them and not mix the game with them physically we should win it. This will be a very good test of our squad if we can overcome them. And of Dublin,Wexford, Offaly, Galway or Kilkenny I'd only fear KK tbh.... untill Dublin and Galway start beating us in the championship then i will fear them.....

thankfully this isn't like the days of old when we hadn't a bench and one injury would totally unbalance our team....you are right to be cautious about this game, but we can do it

Psychedelic · 25-05-2012 6:01pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

30 euro for a covered stand ticket, 25 for an uncovered stand ticket is a bit steep.

Where did you hear that? How much for a terrace ticket, €20 I suppose?

Disgraceful prices for a Munster semi final, that would be too dear for a Munster final IMO. With lower prices I doubt they'd even reach 20,000 attendance, with those prices I doubt it will hit 15,000. They haven't learned from the extremely poor attendances in the last few years.

glick6 · 25-05-2012 8:27pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

my team for the 17th.

1 Adrian Power

2 Aidan Kearney
3 Liam Lawlor
4 Philip Mahoney

5 Tony Browne
6 Michael Brick Walsh
7 David O Sullivan

8 Stephen Molumphy
9 Kevin Moran

10 Maurice Shanahan
11 Seamus Prendergast
12 Martin O Neill

13 John Mullane
14 Shane Walsh
15 Gavin O Brian

Eoin Kelly and Noel Connors first choice subs if fit.

If your not starting Richie Foley then surely he must be one of your first subs too!

I'd agree with that maybe bar David o Sullivan at wing back. He hasn't been great in the last few challenge games. I thought he was a fair bit off the pace against Wexford the last day. Stick Richie foley in there and your sorted.

Actually I'd also have Sok in goal. Im fairly sure this is going to be the case as I think Adrian may have left the panel. Can't confirm that but it's what I've heard.

Realistically if Noel Connors is to be involved in thurles he needs to play a bit of a part in this weekends game.

deisebhoy17 · 25-05-2012 9:03pm

glick6 wrote: »

If your not starting Richie Foley then surely he must be one of your first subs too!

I'd agree with that maybe bar David o Sullivan at wing back. He hasn't been great in the last few challenge games. I thought he was a fair bit off the pace against Wexford the last day. Stick Richie foley in there and your sorted.

Actually I'd also have Sok in goal. Im fairly sure this is going to be the case as I think Adrian may have left the panel. Can't confirm that but it's what I've heard.

Realistically if Noel Connors is to be involved in thurles he needs to play a bit of a part in this weekends game.

Ur a big fan of richie foley anyway. I wouldnt necessarily say 'ur sorted' but I couldnt see David O'Sullivan starting either. The management actually showed more interest in Stephen Daniels during the league. Id like to see Power get the chance he deserves in goals but it looks like SOK is their no. 1. If these rumours about Power being off the panel are kicking off again I dont know but he was playing the challenge aginst Wex last week.

Id have huge reservations about the Clare game. I think Davy Fitz knows a lot more about his team after a successful league. I really dont know where were at to be honest, who knows what kind of a team we'll be on June 17th. Need to be a hell of a lot better than we were in the league anyway. The only big plus that came out of the league was the change of personnel in management. I know we somehow escaped relegation in the end but that cant deflect from the fact we were just awful in the first 3 games and we survived by beating a Dublin second string side which had nothing to play for while it was a must win game for us. That one-point win over Galway is the one game we can realistically take confidence from.

The big alarm bell ringing for me is shane o'sullivan deciding to head off. I know sully well and anyone else who does knows that he lives and breathes the game. Im not sure of his reasoning other than he wants to go to take a break but its not a great sign. Hes a massive loss

malascoile · 25-05-2012 9:50pm

Ballyduff beat ballygunner by 3 points, another big shock

zol 2 · 25-05-2012 10:35pm

Ballygunner in a spot of bother as they didn't look any bit impressive tonight. This group is wide open now and there will be a lot of teams fancying their chances of topping the group. Passage and Lismore will be interesting now as both will see it as an opportunity to pick up valuable points. Dungarvan and Abbeyside are right in the mix aswell with both having 2 points on the board,a win for either side could qualify them at this stage. It will get very interesting if Passage were to beat Lismore,this would put them on 4 points,joining Lismore and either Abbeyside or Dungarvan would join them with a win so there's everything to play for.
Mt Sion in the other group are in trouble aswell and have to beat Fourmilewater to realistically have any hope of qualifying. Dunhill,if they beat Roanmore will probably qualify.Not many would have forecast this senario at the start of the year! Who said it was going to be a boring Championship?!!!!

Cake Man · 26-05-2012 10:36am

That's another shock with Ballyduff beating Ballygunner. You'd still fancy BG to make the knockout stages but ideally, they would have been aiming to top the group.

but he (Power) was playing the challenge aginst Wex last week.

Power wasn't involved at all last week unfortunately, SOK played the first half and Iggy the second half. Have heard he left the panel aswell but don't know what the story is for sure.

Mountainlad · 26-05-2012 1:29pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Ur a big fan of richie foley anyway. I wouldnt necessarily say 'ur sorted' but I couldnt see David O'Sullivan starting either. The management actually showed more interest in Stephen Daniels during the league. Id like to see Power get the chance he deserves in goals but it looks like SOK is their no. 1. If these rumours about Power being off the panel are kicking off again I dont know but he was playing the challenge aginst Wex last week.

Id have huge reservations about the Clare game. I think Davy Fitz knows a lot more about his team after a successful league. I really dont know where were at to be honest, who knows what kind of a team we'll be on June 17th. Need to be a hell of a lot better than we were in the league anyway. The only big plus that came out of the league was the change of personnel in management. I know we somehow escaped relegation in the end but that cant deflect from the fact we were just awful in the first 3 games and we survived by beating a Dublin second string side which had nothing to play for while it was a must win game for us. That one-point win over Galway is the one game we can realistically take confidence from.

The big alarm bell ringing for me is shane o'sullivan deciding to head off. I know sully well and anyone else who does knows that he lives and breathes the game. Im not sure of his reasoning other than he wants to go to take a break but its not a great sign. Hes a massive loss

Detective Deisebhoy on the case again, he must from Abbeyside then is he? :rolleyes:

I read in the Observer that it is strongly rumoured Power has left the panel again, so I'd say it's definetly true if that many people are on about it.

Ballygunner are clearly struggling without Paudi Mahony and I dunno would I be fancying them at all given they'll be missing Brian and Shane Sully when they play Lismore and Passage, and they've just lost to the worst team in their group. It'll quite likely be a stronger Passage outfit too with Noel Connors returning. I'm really suprised how difficult they've found it, whereas you wouldn't be too suprised to see Mount Sion struggling, although I must admit I didn't expect Dunhill to pick up a point against anyone barring maybe Roanmore.

Hslaw · 26-05-2012 5:48pm

Looking forward to the Dungarvan/ Abbeyside game,should be a good game.
I think it was the 50's or 60's when they last played each other in championship hurling at senior level. I'm not 100% sure on that.

Hslaw · 26-05-2012 9:04pm

It ended a draw.1-15 to 18 points
I must say the ref would have being better off of he wore his abbeyside jersy
Great game though

Mountainlad · 26-05-2012 9:42pm

Hslaw wrote: »

It ended a draw.1-15 to 18 points
I must say the ref would have being better off of he wore his abbeyside jersy
Great game though

Ah no, I'd say he wouldn't now to be honest.

Who reffed it?

doz · 26-05-2012 9:43pm

Hslaw wrote: »

It ended a draw.1-15 to 18 points
I must say the ref would have being better off of he wore his abbeyside jersy
Great game though

Not sure I can quite agree with the comment in relation to the ref! While Abbeyside were certainly the more physical side (as you would expect, given the huge difference in size between the two teams), I didn't think there was anything particularly untoward bar an unecessary spat close to half time. I thought the game was played in a tremendous spririt throughout and both teams deserve a lot of credit for what was a very entertaining game of hurling. Draw was probably the right result although Dungarvan will probably feel that they should have held on to win. The big plus from this result is that both teams are now probably safe from relegation and still have a chance of making the quarters.

deisedude · 26-05-2012 9:57pm

Have heard Lawlor hasn't been training with the intercounty team the past month and Kearney is more than likely going to start full back against Clare. I presume that will mean Daniels playing corner back

Looks like its going to be a short summer the way things are going

Mountainlad · 26-05-2012 9:59pm

deisedude wrote: »

Have heard Lawlor hasn't been training with the intercounty team the past month and Kearney is more than likely going to start full back against Clare. I presume that will mean Daniels playing corner back

Looks like its going to be a short summer the way things are going

Nah, Lawlor will be full back. Don't think he does a lot of training with the County on account of his knees, but he played for Fourmilewater against both DLS and Roanmore, and played very well too.

zol 2 · 26-05-2012 10:09pm

Great entertainment in the Fraher field tonight. Real championship tie with some great scores.Jamie Nagle was outstanding for Dungarvan along with Gavin Crotty and Kenny Moore. Young Evan Collins cornerback for Abbeyside looked useful as did Michael O Halloran and "Furry"Ferncombe. More games like this is what we need in the Championship,it gets the blood flowing and i'm looking forward to the 2 games tomorrow hopefully they will be as good.

deisedude · 26-05-2012 10:09pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Nah, Lawlor will be full back. Don't think he does a lot of training with the County on account of his knees, but he played for Fourmilewater against both DLS and Roanmore, and played very well too.

I thought it was strange but are they really going to rely on someone who is struggling to train?

Mountainlad · 26-05-2012 10:16pm

deisedude wrote: »

I thought it was strange but are they really going to rely on someone who is struggling to train?

Yes they are. But I don't think it's a case of him struggling to train, he's just limited in what he does, which I would have said is smart management from both the player and management. It's a big failing in the GAA that every player is expected to do the same training, and be ever present. Training should be tailored for certain individuals to accomodate specific requirements they have in realtion to injuries and such.

I have heard that Eamon O'Shea idin't ask Lar Corbett to do certain training because of troubles he had in the past with hamstring injuries and also because his game is based around his pace, thus he didn't need to be overloaded with heavy physical training, and would have to say it worked wonders for the player and County.

That's just my view on it, dunno what others think about it. Could understand the concerns, but I'd say Kearney was just being prepped in case Lawlor did get injured. And I'd say Daniels probably would be drafted in at corner if that happened.

djfern84 · 26-05-2012 10:40pm

Hslaw wrote: »

It ended a draw.1-15 to 18 points
I must say the ref would have being better off of he wore his abbeyside jersy
Great game though.

Ah to be honest now I dunno what your talkin about there I thought pat Casey was very fair .. Draw was fairest result no team deserved to lose .. Physicality is a part of gaa now incase you didn't know ... That game was what the championship needed... Proper entertainment

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