Final Fantasy Type-0

noodler · 26-01-2012 12:15am

God I left FF13 when I got to Pulse and have no real desire to go back to it.

Might force myself to see how that train wreck ends.

ancapailldorcha · 26-01-2012 12:42am

Urgh, more DLC. I like the idea of maybe having Sephiroth somewhere in the FFXIII battle system though.

ancapailldorcha · 26-01-2012 12:55am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Famitsu are actually open about this.

What? Seriously? It's a bit pointless in that case surely. Why would anyone rely on such a magazine?

Retr0gamer · 26-01-2012 2:08am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What? Seriously? It's a bit pointless in that case surely. Why would anyone rely on such a magazine?

Yep they are, warning a huge podcast were talking about how silly it is.

Mindkiller · 26-01-2012 4:49pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What? Seriously? It's a bit pointless in that case surely. Why would anyone rely on such a magazine?

Very weird if that's the case. Maybe it's a cultural thing?

The Peacewalker situation a few years ago was such a farce.

Retr0gamer · 26-01-2012 5:02pm

There was a time when a Famitsu 40/40 meant something and only about 5 games had achieved it. Now they hand them out to anyone that wants a lot of advertising space

megaten · 26-01-2012 5:07pm

I heard before that they give out high scores for publishers big games with the understanding that they'll overlook the scores for less important games. I can't remember where I heard it though.

ancapailldorcha · 26-01-2012 9:33pm

Mindkiller wrote: »

The Peacewalker situation a few years ago was such a farce.

What's this?

noodler · 26-01-2012 10:48pm

Mindkiller wrote: »

Very weird if that's the case. Maybe it's a cultural thing?

The Peacewalker situation a few years ago was such a farce.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What's this?

Would also like to know what the PW thing is about.

EDIT: Is it about the magazine actually appearing in the game?

Superb game anyway - well worth the score given.

Mindkiller · 27-01-2012 5:38pm

Famitsu were heavily involved in cross-promotion for the game.

http://kotaku.com/5520937/do-not-trust-this-magazines-review-scores

Hirokazu Hamamura, the former Famitsu editor-in-chief, is the current president of Enterbrain, the company that publishes Famitsu. He also appears in an ad campaign for Peace Walker from the game's publisher, Konami. A two-page spread.

Seems like a definite conflict of interest

Ajfunky · 27-01-2012 11:08pm

Anyone else tried the demo for XIII-2 yet? Must say, i think its gonna clear up any of the problems people had with 13, hopefully the story lives up to it anyway. I actually really liked 13 as Ive said before, definitely one of my favourite battle systems in any Rpg ive played. Adding a full pokedex to it may only help!

Depending on how many monsters there is, trying to organize them all may be a bit of a workload - however I assume reports will come out about which are the key ones to develop or not. Wonder if there'll be a problem with getting too attached to the first monster you start developing a lá your first bulbasaur!

Mario007 · 28-01-2012 6:06am

Ajfunky wrote: »

Anyone else tried the demo for XIII-2 yet? Must say, i think its gonna clear up any of the problems people had with 13, hopefully the story lives up to it anyway. I actually really liked 13 as Ive said before, definitely one of my favourite battle systems in any Rpg ive played. Adding a full pokedex to it may only help!

Depending on how many monsters there is, trying to organize them all may be a bit of a workload - however I assume reports will come out about which are the key ones to develop or not. Wonder if there'll be a problem with getting too attached to the first monster you start developing a lá your first bulbasaur!

It's actually a little bit more like Digimon World with the mosters as you can merge them and the new born monster will inherit passive abilities that the other two monsters had. (i think)

IGN gave this an 8, once again bashing story. Damn, Toriyama seems to really be incompetent of writing anything by himself. Here's hoping his next project isn't FF 15 or the franchise is done for.

Retr0gamer · 28-01-2012 12:40pm

Mario007 wrote: »

It's actually a little bit more like Digimon World with the mosters as you can merge them and the new born monster will inherit passive abilities that the other two monsters had. (i think)

Sounds Shin Megami Tensei like to me.

megaten · 28-01-2012 11:28pm

Mario007 wrote: »

It's actually a little bit more like Digimon World with the mosters as you can merge them and the new born monster will inherit passive abilities that the other two monsters had. (i think)

Are we talking about digimon world on the ps1? because you couldn't do anything like that.

noodler · 29-01-2012 4:25pm

Reviews uninspiring so far.

IGN 8

EG 8

CVG 7.7

Arawn · 29-01-2012 9:33pm

i know i'm going to be so disappointed with this game. But the fanboy in me can't wait

Aurongroove · 29-01-2012 11:00pm

I'm not going to be dissapointed because i'm not expecting it to be great.

ancapailldorcha · 30-01-2012 8:06pm

I'm expecting it to be fun, shouldn't be disappointed.

noodler · 30-01-2012 11:28pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm expecting it to be fun, shouldn't be disappointed.

FFXIII was the furthest thing possible away from being fun!

ancapailldorcha · 31-01-2012 1:37am

That's your opinion. I loved it, and so did many others.

noodler · 31-01-2012 11:05am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

That's your opinion. I loved it, and so did many others.

I know, and it breaks my heart because the game sold enough to produce another crap sequel with crap J-Pop music, awful characters, a world lacking in character and a complete lack of decent story-telling,

Mindkiller · 31-01-2012 11:09am

FFXIII was about as much fun as finding a thumbtack in your shoe

FortuneChip · 31-01-2012 11:11am

Better than not finding a thumbtack in your shoe

I'm not going anywhere near this game until the price drops.

ancapailldorcha · 31-01-2012 8:19pm

noodler wrote: »

I know, and it breaks my heart because the game sold enough to produce another crap sequel with crap J-Pop music, awful characters, a world lacking in character and a complete lack of decent story-telling,

To be fair, other FFs have been worse in these regards.

Retr0gamer · 31-01-2012 8:25pm

I didn't find FFXIII that bad. It was flawed in lots of ways but I still enjoyed it. As long as they adressed some of those flaws I'm sure I'll enjoy XIII-2 even more. Don't care about the story. The story in FF games have been messes for over a decade. If it'sa mess and doesn't take itself seriously then all the better.

noodler · 31-01-2012 8:30pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

To be fair, other FFs have been worse in these regards.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I didn't find FFXIII that bad. It was flawed in lots of ways but I still enjoyed it. As long as they adressed some of those flaws I'm sure I'll enjoy XIII-2 even more. Don't care about the story. The story in FF games have been messes for over a decade. If it'sa mess and doesn't take itself seriously then all the better.

I really don't agree. We can obviously agree that as a whole many of the FF stories don't gel that well but there are umpteen smaller scale examples of interesting events or sub-plots.

Brahne's invasion of Lindblum in FF9, the clash of the gardens in FF8 the Cloud flashback 'realisation' in FF7.

I admit I haven't finished 13 yet but there is absolutely nothing that in any way makes you care about the characters or the worlds.

Retr0gamer · 31-01-2012 8:35pm

I thought some of the characters grew nicely over the course of the game. It was a lot more subtle as well compared to previous games. I especially liked Vanille and Hope since they started as being awful and annoying but redeemed themselves in the end.

As for the world and story, I was initially very interested in it but it went downhill towards the end and that ending was terrible.

Story was definitely the weakest part of the game although I liked the characterisation other than Snow.

I really loved the battle mechanics though and they carried the game for me.

b_mully · 31-01-2012 8:37pm

Final Fantasy was the series that originally got me hooked on gaming however I find the newer games unbearable the cheesy lines,the overly cartoonish character design, the linear gameplay. I don't know maybe the western rpg has just corrupted me

ancapailldorcha · 31-01-2012 8:47pm

noodler wrote: »

I admit I haven't finished 13 yet but there is absolutely nothing that in any way makes you care about the characters or the worlds.

I liked the way each character was obviously flawed as opposed to the usual bland heroism you'd see in earlier entries.

Mario007 · 01-02-2012 10:19am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I thought some of the characters grew nicely over the course of the game. It was a lot more subtle as well compared to previous games. I especially liked Vanille and Hope since they started as being awful and annoying but redeemed themselves in the end.

As for the world and story, I was initially very interested in it but it went downhill towards the end and that ending was terrible.

Story was definitely the weakest part of the game although I liked the characterisation other than Snow.

I really loved the battle mechanics though and they carried the game for me.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I liked the way each character was obviously flawed as opposed to the usual bland heroism you'd see in earlier entries.

Exactly! If there is one thing that FF 13 did well it is the battle system and the character progression. Pretty much each character arc carries the story until you reach Gran Pulse and each character changes significantly in the process (maybe with the sole exception of Fang, but she's a pretty awesome character regardless).

I do agree though that showing some important info into datalog is not how SE should have tried and copied the 'codex'-like features of WRPGs like TES or Dragon Age.

megaten wrote: »

Are we talking about digimon world on the ps1? because you couldn't do anything like that.

I think it was digimon world, there you could train a digimon until level 13, then had to combine it with another one to get a different digiomon who could then be trained a bit higher. I know it's not exactly like the system in this game, but the combining of monsters reminded me of that.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Sounds Shin Megami Tensei like to me.

Never played that game actually, which platform is out for?

Btw from what I've read the story is really not as serious as SE makes it out to be, more on par with RPG comedy of X-2, which is a good thing as you can forgive some of its cheesyness. For example check this scene out (no spoilers in it, I promise) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywMHnJJ-KpM...pretty hillarious.
Also Noel seems to be a great character, actually making fun of other characters for being too dramatic and cheesy. He's a bit more of a light-hearted jerk, which is nice.

Lastly Lightning DLC (as a boss and recruitable) arrives February 7th http://andriasang.com/comzte/ffxiii2_lightning_amoda/ (it's a worldwide release). They're working on a scenario DLC now, from the indication it will be Lightning scenario and ending spoilers

will explain the 'hidden trurht behind the games ending' meaning the 'to be continued' thing that pops at the end

Sephiroth_dude · 01-02-2012 12:28pm

I must finish the first game before I get this.

joe123 · 01-02-2012 3:13pm

Final fantasy 13 was a terrible terrible game and pretty much the majority agree. Will wait till this gets cheap.

I miss the days of good final fantasy games. FF9 was just amazing.

Mario007 · 01-02-2012 3:26pm

joe123 wrote: »

Final fantasy 13 was a terrible terrible game and pretty much the majority agree. Will wait till this gets cheap.

I miss the days of good final fantasy games. FF9 was just amazing.

so you're basing your opinion on this game based on a previous game which you thought was terrible yet every media outlet, every fan impression and every quote from the developer confirms that all the mistakes from ff13 were corrected in order to make this game pretty much an apology letter from SE to fans and restore confidence in SE's internal development teams?

Mindkiller · 01-02-2012 3:53pm

That's just the thing though. Every media outlet is calling this an 'apology' for FFXIII, which isn't much of an endorsement in the first place. Looking at the features and at the demo, it doesn't seem to be doing much to set it apart from competition. Monster hunting and leveling has already been done much better in SMT. The mission-based gameplay isn't new either, nor is the time travel aspect. It seems like it's merely an ok JRPG, when Final Fantasy games generally strive for more than that. The only thing that really impresses is the battle system. But even with a few improvements, there isn't a whole lot to recommend it if you've played FFXIII.

I'll probably buy it, but not for a long while. I don't like the whole DLC layout for this game. Might wait for the super-de-duper version.

Mario007 · 01-02-2012 4:45pm

First off sorry if I seemed a bit aggressive, I thought you were just trolling but I was wrong.

Well I haven't played the game but from the demo I have to say it seems really fun. The side quests are a nice addition, there's puzzles too, recruiting monsters too seems pretty neat and most of all I like the light-hearted feel to it (check out the link I posted above). But I get where you're coming from. For me when I saw the demo section from Eurogamer impressions back from E3 and saw Noel walk around the time I got a really nice FF vibe out of it, almost like FF 12 but in HD.

Also I'm kind of a sucker for the Fabula Nova Crystalis lore (for which I criticise the original since it didn't really explain it well) and when I saw that this game focuses fully on Etro I was really happy. Lastly Caius Ballad is probably the first decent villain we get since Seymour.

ancapailldorcha · 02-02-2012 1:17am

Yeah, Fang was awesome. I got the impression she never believed they could save Cocoon and was trying to prevent Vanille going Cie'th instead.
There's a bit too much lore hidden in the datalog which could have been used for a few sidequests on Gran Pulse. Speaking of which, I understood why there were no shops or NPCs on Cocoon but they really should have done something with Gran Pulse.
I'm somewhat annoyed Lightning is only playable in the game's intro. Hopefully they'll release some good DLC but she should feature more in the main game.

penev10 · 02-02-2012 4:57pm

EDGE review isn't as scathing as the one for FFXIII but they cite the lack of challenge as a major downfall. Think I'll be giving this one a miss too so.

Retr0gamer · 02-02-2012 4:59pm

You should never base buying decisions on an EDGE review. They can often times be too harsh or totally off the mark.

For a JRPG review I'd much rather go with Jermey Parish at 1up:

http://www.1up.com/reviews/final-fantasy-xiii-2-ps3-xbox360

penev10 · 02-02-2012 5:27pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You should never base buying decisions on an EDGE review. They can often times be too harsh or totally off the mark.

Know what you mean. I don't usually buy anything until I've read a few reviews.

I often find it's the highlighted elements of a game that sway me more than the overall feel of a review and if I pick up on something that I dont like (such as the lack of challenge) then I'll steer clear.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

For a JRPG review I'd much rather go with Jermey Parish at 1up:

http://www.1up.com/reviews/final-fantasy-xiii-2-ps3-xbox360

Cheers for the tip. Only occassionaly browse 1up.

megaten · 03-02-2012 1:32am

I'd be wary about criticisms on challange.

A lot of people told me they though XIII combat was boring and unchallenging but then I found out that they never deviated from the heal attack paradigms.
The challenge for me in XII wasn't defeating enemies but defeating them quickly. I thought giving you a rating at the end of each battle made that obvious but I guess not.

Mindkiller · 03-02-2012 1:22pm

EDGE's review for FFXIII was perfectly reasonable if you ask me. Seems like most just focus on the number at the end. There's a huge problem with the first 20 hours of the game which just can't be ignored and even when you get to the end-game content all you have to look forward to are samey hunt missions that mostly take place in the same area. At least FFXII managed a fairly successful marriage of exploration and monster killing. XIII was a grind in comparison.

edit: regarding XIII, I thought most publications said it was a really hard game? I found it to be anyway

Sephiroth_dude · 03-02-2012 2:07pm

So how are ye finding it?

joe123 · 03-02-2012 2:58pm

Anyone got it? Im holding off til I can pick it up cheap. Never thought id be saying that about a Final fantasy game.

Most reviews are saying the story is ****e which is nothing new really. Final Fantasy 10 was the last one that I thought was decent. The battle system for 13 is its biggest plus in most reviews so its a pity I didnt even like that battle system in it. Found it very basic (and yes I played around with it a hell of a lot)

I really hope the next true Final Fantasy game is good.

viper006 · 07-02-2012 12:46pm

Bought this on sunday but was skeptical to say the least as i played 13 before and stopped half way through as was very bored of it.

After afew hours of game play its got me surprisingly hooked in, I thought serah would wreck my head but so far noel and serah are going well. Definetely feel with SE have addressed some of the issues from 13 and so far so good.

I bought this in game who gave me a voucher to trade this in for 45e before the 16/02/2012 so means i can trial it for over a week and if not into it can return and grab fifa 12 2nd hand for free.. not bad.

Retr0gamer · 07-02-2012 2:55pm

Changing the thread title so it's just Type-0 talk, all FFXIII-2 talk in the appropriate thread.

ancapailldorcha · 04-03-2012 4:30pm

So, does anyone reckon it could make it over here? I've seen a view videos and it does look interesting at the very least.

Mario007 · 04-03-2012 5:56pm

Sony Japan is holding a vita conference on the 9th. We could very well see an enhanced Vita version of Type-0. If we do, then it's deffinatelly coming out in the west

ancapailldorcha · 04-03-2012 6:39pm

I'd prefer not to have to buy a Vita but according to IGN it might make it over here.

http://uk.psp.ign.com/articles/121/1213623p1.html

Retr0gamer · 05-03-2012 2:16pm

Mario007 wrote: »

Sony Japan is holding a vita conference on the 9th. We could very well see an enhanced Vita version of Type-0. If we do, then it's deffinatelly coming out in the west

Eh game is already Vita enhanced as far as I know.

Mario007 · 06-03-2012 11:45am

every psp game available on vita psn store is 'vita enhanced'...it had crispier graphics thanks to the software emulation and the second stick is available to be used.

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