So, you're officially long term unemployed

Phat Cat · 04-05-2012 5:35pm

mattjack wrote: »

My course wasnt 3k plus.Fas funded most of it.I funded a little bit myself.

How much was your course and how much funding did Fás give you as part of your CE scheme?

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 5:36pm

fas dont fund diploma / degree courses,they do upskill and job training programmes and the odd fetac course

mattjack · 04-05-2012 5:54pm

Go back to post 121 , there's three little letters there in my post.

Google them in upper case , when you do that , look at the training page.

Then come back to me , I'll pm you exactly what I'm doing ... the breakdown of costs,who paid what , my results if you want and next years info. .

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 6:03pm

i looked at the fas website just now,and it has upskilling courses,and job training courses..no diploma level or degree.

i did ask when i was on a ce scheme if i could do one,they said if i did a fetac i could follow on to do a diploma course but it would be off my own bat(my own funding)

FloatingVoter · 04-05-2012 6:14pm

I haven't got my official "long-tem unemployed" cert / medal yet. **** that, me living in a free house with my free car that I can't drive and my free three and a half kids that I sold into slavery. I'd continue but I'm off on my holliers (to the Caribbean island of your choice). Must get my megal when I return.

But I am being austere about it all.

mattjack · 04-05-2012 6:16pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

i looked at the fas website just now,and it has upskilling courses,and job training courses..no diploma level or degree.

i did ask when i was on a ce scheme if i could do one,they said if i did a fetac i could follow on to do a diploma course but it would be off my own bat(my own funding)

Ok, I appreciate what you're saying.I,ve moved between two charitys on a CE scheme.The first charity employs the most amount of CE workers in the country as far I know.
The supervisor I had there is all for encouraging people to improve themselves.

Different employees do different courses , some do nothing at all.
His theory/ideal was that if you find or pick a course that looks sensible or reasonable , he informs he managers and if they were happy they would allow him fund as much as was reasonably possible.

You are correct to say that there is a limit of 500 euro a year, but over three plus years ..some people do six according to their needs it could be 3000 plus.

Most third level as far as I know let you pay in instalments.Fas funded most of the cost for me.I,m not the only one who has used this method.

Some CE are allowed access funding if they are disabled in any way, ex prisoners are also able to access funding.

The second CE charity I work for has a scholarship scheme and and CE funding.It operates under Drugs Task Force criteria, slightly different from community based ones.

stupidusername · 04-05-2012 6:18pm

Fair play to you matt, looks like you're getting places

antodeco · 04-05-2012 6:20pm

Became a voluntary music producer for local bands, became a volunteer for the local community radio station, built a log cabin, designed a new garden, applied for about 1000 jobs. Still 9 months unemployed :-/

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 6:21pm

FAS are involved in the drugs task team,thats a very serious thing,do you have the right experience for that or is anybody allowed to have a go at that?

forfuxsake · 04-05-2012 6:35pm

antodeco wrote: »

Became a voluntary music producer for local bands, became a volunteer for the local community radio station, built a log cabin, designed a new garden, applied for about 1000 jobs. Still 9 months unemployed :-/

Your own fault so stop with the whining. In the same time others could and were able to get jobs so it obviously something you were doing wrong and they were doing right. You need to find out what that something is and then apply yourself properly.

*

*it's amazingly easy to write that kind of retarded drivel.

mattjack · 04-05-2012 6:52pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

FAS are involved in the drugs task team,thats a very serious thing,do you have the right experience for that or is anybody allowed to have a go at that?

Yes and no.

mattjack · 04-05-2012 6:52pm

antodeco wrote: »

Became a voluntary music producer for local bands, became a volunteer for the local community radio station, built a log cabin, designed a new garden, applied for about 1000 jobs. Still 9 months unemployed :-/

I tip my hat to volunteers, sir.

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 6:58pm

so is that a yes or a no

mattjack · 04-05-2012 7:01pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

so is that a yes or a no

Yes I do have training and no, its not for everyone.

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 7:07pm

OMG FAS involved with the drugs task force?How exactly do fas train you to be on the drugs task force? I find the whole thing unscrupulous..

mattjack · 04-05-2012 9:07pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

FAS are involved in the drugs task team,thats a very serious thing,do you have the right experience for that or is anybody allowed to have a go at that?

christmas2012 wrote: »

OMG FAS involved with the drugs task force?How exactly do fas train you to be on the drugs task force? I find the whole thing unscrupulous..

You're getting a bit hysterical . Do you need to go for a lie down ?

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 9:56pm

no but i just find the whole idea of fas supplying free 3 day workers to the drugs task force a little much but i shouldnt be suprised..

mattjack · 04-05-2012 10:02pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

no but i just find the whole idea of fas supplying free 3 day workers to the drugs task force a little much but i shouldnt be suprised..

Drugs Task Forces were set up the 1990s as responses to drugs problems in the country.They work in conjunction with state and voluntary agencies.

The idea behind them is to bring an umbrella process or a response to drugs problems in Irish society.

I think there is nine drugs task forces involved with about 250 groups.

I dont work for a drugs task force, I work for a charity.

I work , get a wage and structured training.

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 10:07pm

''I work , get a wage and structured training. ''

are you advertisting for fas maybe

wages arent arent too great

what is it now about 20 above the dole is what you get now is it?

mattjack · 04-05-2012 10:12pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

I work , get a wage and structured training.

are you advertisting for fas maybe

No, every single post I,ve made , you picked at , disputed , argued over

yet if you actually think about it , if I was making up fairy tales they would amongst the most bizarre and detailed that have ever been posted on AH .

I get paid every single week , expenses paid, in house and external training and educational opportunities from scholarships if I meet criteria.

mattjack · 04-05-2012 10:13pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

''I work , get a wage and structured training. ''

are you advertisting for fas maybe

wages at fas arent too great

what is it now about 20 above the dole is what you get now is it?

Have a guess what I earn

mattjack · 04-05-2012 10:14pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

''I work , get a wage and structured training. ''

are you advertisting for fas maybe

wages at fas arent too great

what is it now about 20 above the dole is what you get now is it?

You,ve tried everything, now you,re showing your arrogance by sneering.FAS doesn't pay CE workers.

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 10:20pm

how much do you get paid?
when i was on mine i got 220

mattjack · 04-05-2012 10:24pm

Im married and have kids , so I get an allowance for them and my wife.All travel is paid for too ,

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 10:26pm

so how much is that then?

so let me get this straight you work for a charity as a fas worker,you get all travel paid for yourself and your family?

something smells funny or is it BS..

as a former ce worker(worked 2 years) i have never heard of that in my life

christmas2012 · 04-05-2012 10:47pm

ah ok ur not a fas worker

Kurz · 04-05-2012 10:54pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

something smells funny or is it BS..

as a former ce worker(worked 2 years) i have never heard of that in my life

Tbh I had a look over the last few pages of this thread and the BS is you being involved with FAS/CE or else you were and were very bad at it, as you seem to know very little about it. Mattjack provides you with comprehensive and detailed answers every time yet you relentlessly troll and troll.

yore · 05-05-2012 12:16am

christmas2012 wrote: »

It boggles the mind why anybody would OUTRIGHTLY DEFEND A FREE LABOUR EXPLOITATION SCHEME..

Apologies if I am confused, but isn't a CE scheme like the scheme where you do something in the community like be a caretaker for your loacal school or club.

And it's not free labour. The people get paid for doing them. If you ae referring to the fact that you might not get much more than on the dole, then please remember that the purpose of the dole is to tide you over until you can find a job. That's the purpose behind it. i'm not saying it's easy to get off it, I'm just saying that that is what it is for.
If I was unemployed for a while, I think I'd get at least some satisfaction from doing something constructive. So what if I was only getting a few quid more a week.

Think how much better the country would be if all the people who were on the dole, used that time to give back to the community! Getting involved in tidy-towns, supervising after school activities for kids etc. You'll say that this should not be done because you think it's stealing someone's job. But it's not. There are hundreds of people doing this stuff around the country voluntarily anyway. They provide immense services that wouldn't be provided otherwise.

I've met graduates from some of the best colleges in the world who are willing to go to "intern" for free for months at top companies. Top companies who are extremely wealthy. There the interns answer phones/make tea/do photocopying. But the positions are extremely sought after and hard won because the exposure to the real-life working environment gets them on the ladder. Even though they are doing almost menial tasks. Don't knock any work experience!

LH Pathe · 05-05-2012 12:24am

Thread title, must you remind me of this every stinking day? .. thread title. outside. now

yore · 05-05-2012 12:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

It was an opinion kid. But seriously, you shouldn't post it

as they say, opinions are like ar$esholes.

Here's the link to the video (TV3 has annoying ads on before the programme starts and you can fastforward)
Fastforward to about 13:30

http://www.tv3.ie/videos.php?video=45726&locID=1.65.169&page=3

In fairness the girl mentioned some courses she had done but the interview went something like

Vincent Browne: How long have you been out of work?
Woman: about two years. I had to leave to have me kids. I had two kids.
VB: What type of a job are you looking for
W: A full time job
VB: Doing what
W: (mumbling) Administration..., supervising
VB: What's your experience in that kind of job
W: I've got great experience from working at Busy Bees. I've done a payroll course, communications courses, I've done Facebook through business and stuff like that so I've got great experience
.
.
.
WB: When does your CE scheme end
W: I'll be finished in May, that'll be me second year in May

Notwithstanding that fact that this woman seems to have made a terrible mistake by leaving her job in Feb 2010 to have her kids, she then went on a scheme no more than 3 months later. She should have just taken her maternity leave ...... unless of course she is talking through her hole :rolleyes:
(and I may be corrected, but I thought that if you were on a scheme, and then needed time to go on a course, the clock stopped for your two years, which would mean that she started her CE scheme earlier than May 2010 for it to be running out now.

Anyway, the basic tenet of this post is why is this woman aiming to be a supervisor. And she doesn't even mention an industry. Not a creche supervisor, not a security supervisor, not a helpdesk supervisor, or a supermarket supervisor. Just a supervisor . How fu$%ing arrogant to you have to be to want to go straight into a job as a supervisor/manager in a random industry with nothing obvious to back that up other than her own deluded sense of importance! It begs the question, what type of people does she want to supervise!!

Oh and Stunner Dunner, just don't press on the link if you don't want to watch it. You strike me as quite the "opinion" . Simple as that. You don't own the internet.

christmas2012 · 05-05-2012 12:24pm

yore wrote: »

And it's not free labour.

You'll say that this should not be done because you think it's stealing someone's job. But it's not

I've met graduates from some of the best colleges in the world who are willing to go to "intern" for free for months at top companies. Top companies who are extremely wealthy.

Fas DO SUCK UP WHAT COULD BE A PAID JOB FROM THE COMMUNITY..Since FAS landed in our community,companies who CAN AFFORD TO HIRE - SIMPLY DONT - Instead they avail of FAS sponsorship and get subsidised by FAS.
AND...YOU DONT GET PAID..Why would the hire you after your ce term ends?They just end up hiring another freebie.. That is a fact ive seen it for myself..If you dont believe me go look at any fas website for jobs - all ce work,some from companies who can afford to hire!
FAS PERPETUATE POVERTY,WHILE THEIR THERE,NO COMPANIES WILL HAVE THE MOTIVATION TO HIRE PAID WORKERS,WHEN THEY CAN GET THEM FOR FREE..SEE THE LOGIC?

yore · 05-05-2012 1:08pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

Fas DO SUCK UP WHAT COULD BE A PAID JOB FROM THE COMMUNITY..Since FAS landed in our community,companies who CAN AFFORD TO HIRE - SIMPLY DONT - Instead they avail of FAS sponsorship and get subsidised by FAS.
AND...YOU DONT GET PAID..Why would the hire you after your ce term ends?They just end up hiring another freebie.. That is a fact ive seen it for myself..If you dont believe me go look at any fas website for jobs - all ce work,some from companies who can afford to hire!
FAS PERPETUATE POVERTY,WHILE THEIR THERE,NO COMPANIES WILL HAVE THE MOTIVATION TO HIRE PAID WORKERS,WHEN THEY CAN GET THEM FOR FREE..SEE THE LOGIC?

doesn't the dole that you get for the work you do effectively make it a PAID JOB FROM THE COMMUNITY. Dole money isn't magiced out of fresh air you know. It's provided as a social function by the greater community as a whole!!!

And honestly, .... if it's in a function where you can seemlessly be replaced after 2 years experience by someone walking in off the street, then it's not a long-term career path that you want to stay in anyway. That's not to say that the 2 years was a waste. But you've gotten as much out of it as you can

christmas2012 · 05-05-2012 1:37pm

what i hate to see is people getting their hopes up about a ce scheme,making it out to be fantastic,when the reality its a joblocker,it takes what could have been a paid vacancy away from the community,people should be discussing this aspect of what fas are essentially all about..
AND ITS NOT A PAID JOB ITS PAID BY WELFARE COMPANIES GET YOUR WORK FOR FREE,THATS WHY THERE ARE NO ADVERTS FOR PAID JOBS FAS AND JOBRIDGE ARE IN THE WAY...

mattjack · 05-05-2012 1:51pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

what i hate to see is people getting their hopes up about a ce scheme,making it out to be fantastic,when the reality its a joblocker,it takes what could have been a paid vacancy away from the community,people should be discussing this aspect of what fas are essentially all about..
AND ITS NOT A PAID JOB ITS PAID BY WELFARE COMPANIES GET YOUR WORK FOR FREE,THATS WHY THERE ARE NO ADVERTS FOR PAID JOBS FAS AND JOBRIDGE ARE IN THE WAY...

CE are only employed by charitys and community groups, no charity or community group would have the financial ability to pay CE workers .

None are supposed to be profit making.

FAS for all its well documented failings has been very successful in other aspects, an example would be the many thousands of tradesmen and women trained by them , as far as I know every single apprentice has to registered at FAS.

Capt'n Midnight · 05-05-2012 2:46pm

mattjack wrote: »

CE are only employed by charitys and community groups, no charity or community group would have the financial ability to pay CE workers .

None are supposed to be profit making.

FAS for all its well documented failings has been very successful in other aspects, an example would be the many thousands of tradesmen and women trained by them , as far as I know every single apprentice has to registered at FAS.

Back in the day there was CERT, AnCO, Youth Employment Agency , Manpower
CERT did the catering / tourist industry training, AnCO did the apprentice training and both were well regarded.
When merged with FAS there was some dilution of the brands. Nothing to worry about if you are doing an apprenticeship or getting something like City & Guilds.

mattjack · 05-05-2012 2:49pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Back in the day there was CERT, AnCO, Youth Employment Agency , Manpower
CERT did the catering / tourist industry training, AnCO did the apprentice training and both were well regarded.
When merged with FAS there was some dilution of the brands. Nothing to worry about if you are doing an apprenticeship or getting something like City & Guilds.

True... I think FAS standardised the apprentice training and brought onboard the
National Craft Certificate.

Dramatik · 05-05-2012 3:19pm

What's the point in working a job that you have no interest in what so ever? How does it help develope your real skills/tallents?

yore · 05-05-2012 10:47pm

Dramatik wrote: »

What's the point in working a job that you have no interest in what so ever? How does it help develope your real skills/tallents?

In the real world, I think it's very rare for a person to have a job where they like every single aspect of that job and never have to do a task that they have no interest in.....

You may perhaps learn to work as a team and show responsibility. You may be able to show reliability or organisational skills, even though it might not be in an area you want to work

And I'mm sure that lots of people do jobs that they aren't really interested in but do the job because it's a good steady job or the best one they could get in order to meet their responsibilities.

If a recently graduated and relatively talented drama student finds themselves on the dole for the year, and they get offered a position doing filing in an office, are they justified in not doing it because it's not their dream job of a walk-on part in Fair City :rolleyes:

yore · 05-05-2012 10:53pm

christmas2012 wrote: »

what i hate to see is people getting their hopes up about a ce scheme,making it out to be fantastic,when the reality its a joblocker,it takes what could have been a paid vacancy away from the community,people should be discussing this aspect of what fas are essentially all about..
AND ITS NOT A PAID JOB ITS PAID BY WELFARE COMPANIES GET YOUR WORK FOR FREE,THATS WHY THERE ARE NO ADVERTS FOR PAID JOBS FAS AND JOBRIDGE ARE IN THE WAY...

So you think that the reason you might find it difficult to find a job is because the evil government are somehow exploiting and forcing some poor person to work as a caretaker for the local GAA club for 20 hours a week.....

Would you take the job as the caretaker if the CE scheme was scrapped and the club could somehow manage to pay the minimum wage to fund that position?

CE scheme is not jobsbridge. But you started off giving out about CE schemes and have only just mentioned jobsbridge now

MistyCheese · 05-05-2012 11:01pm

So the OP does not live in Ireland. Em, why then is s/he so interested in the activities of the long-term unemployed in Ireland?

yore · 05-05-2012 11:28pm

MistyCheese wrote: »

So the OP does not live in Ireland. Em, why then is s/he so interested in the activities of the long-term unemployed in Ireland?

So should I have burned my passport and refused to have any interest in the country that I grew up in. All my family are still there. I would like to come back at some stage if that's ok with you........

The thread is not a simple one. It's purpose is to understand the feelings and beliefs towards certain things. Ireland is still a far far wealthier place than I remember it when I was a kid. perhaps my view on that Ireland is skewed by the fact that my family were a fair bit less well off then even relative to the average Irish family. That wealth unfortunately brought a large amount of inflated egos along with other material bullsh1t. Not to everyone, and not necessarily even to a majority. But to a sizesble proportion of people who are now too good for manual work or labour.

I don't ever remember hearing of anybody (i.e of working age) when I was young who refused a job if they were out of work. Regardless of what the job was.

I watch Irish TV online. I listen to RTE online too. I pay very little attention to the local news here. I am sorry if that somehow upsets or confuses you.

I heard a very good documentary on RTE Radio 1. In fact it was repeated a number of times. It was about a hotel. They interviewed one of the workers. A girl who was in the country only literally a week or two and had already found a job and was working . if I remember the name of the doc, I'll find it and post a link

yore · 05-05-2012 11:40pm

MistyCheese wrote: »

So the OP does not live in Ireland. Em, why then is s/he so interested in the activities of the long-term unemployed in Ireland?

Edit: Problem with internet connection so it posted twice instead of editing.

Here's the link
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/player.html?feedUrl=/radio1/doconone/atom/3243352.xml&play=true&position=0&volume=-1

It's a short segment. The time count's down on this player so go to about 23:35 or so. (It starts at 31:30 and finishes at zero). It's literally 15 seconds. There's another bit around 22 mins where the manager says they have 12 different nationalities.

And no, before someone tries to insinuate something, I am not giving out about foreign people working in Ireland. I'm delighted that that girl chose to come to Ireland to give us the gift of her services.

IrishAm · 05-05-2012 11:48pm

yore wrote: »

It's a short segment. The time count's down on this player so go to about 23:35 or so. (It starts at 31:30 and finishes at zero). It's literally 15 seconds. There's another bit around 22 mins where the manager says they have 12 different nationalities.

And no, before someone tries to insinuate something, I am not giving out about foreign people working in Ireland. I'm delighted that that girl chose to come to Ireland to give us the gift of her services.

She would have got the job through friends/acquaintances already working there. I doubt it would have even been advertised. The accommodation manager would have just asked the girls working in her department if they have any friends or family at home looking for work.

Common practice in hotels across Ireland.

MistyCheese · 05-05-2012 11:55pm

yore wrote: »

So should I have burned my passport and refused to have any interest in the country that I grew up in. All my family are still there. I would like to come back at some stage if that's ok with you........

The thread is not a simple one. It's purpose is to understand the feelings and beliefs towards certain things. Ireland is still a far far wealthier place than I remember it when I was a kid. perhaps my view on that Ireland is skewed by the fact that my family were a fair bit less well off then even relative to the average Irish family. That wealth unfortunately brought a large amount of inflated egos along with other material bullsh1t. Not to everyone, and not necessarily even to a majority. But to a sizesble proportion of people who are now too good for manual work or labour.

I don't ever remember hearing of anybody (i.e of working age) when I was young who refused a job if they were out of work. Regardless of what the job was.

I watch Irish TV online. I listen to RTE online too. I pay very little attention to the local news here. I am sorry if that somehow upsets or confuses you.

I heard a very good documentary on RTE Radio 1. In fact it was repeated a number of times. It was about a hotel. They interviewed one of the workers. A girl who was in the country only literally a week or two and had already found a job and was working . if I remember the name of the doc, I'll find it and post a link

yore wrote: »

Edit: Problem with internet connection so it posted twice instead of editing.

Here's the link
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/player.html?feedUrl=/radio1/doconone/atom/3243352.xml&play=true&position=0&volume=-1

It's a short segment. The time count's down on this player so go to about 23:35 or so. (It starts at 31:30 and finishes at zero). It's literally 15 seconds. There's another bit around 22 mins where the manager says they have 12 different nationalities.

And no, before someone tries to insinuate something, I am not giving out about foreign people working in Ireland. I'm delighted that that girl chose to come to Ireland to give us the gift of her services.

Great. Now could you possibly concise that into a far less verbose version that would in simple fact answer a simple question with an a simple answer rather than extorting an ultra complicated syntax in order to scare a simple question and drown it in words of four or more syllable?

Thank you.

yore · 05-05-2012 11:58pm

IrishAm wrote: »

I worked for the group that owns The Central Hotel. She would have got the job through friends/acquaintances already working there. I doubt it would have even been advertised. The accommodation manager would have just asked the girls working in her department if they have any friends or family at home looking for work.

Common practice in hotels across Ireland.

and of course, there were loads of locals who wanted and were willing to do it. Sure the hotel owners are evil ba$tards. Perhaps they know that the pesky tourists really want the authentic Irish experience by being looked after by a myriad of nationalities... (I'm being sarcastic.....I'm not into hotel management, but I'm sure they'd prefer to have plenty of Irish staff. Travel around the world and you'll find lots of Irish pubs. And the owners really love having Irish people behind the bar. It's common sense. Obviously the foreign workers make up for that in other areas such as dilligence and hard work)

I'm not saying she didn't find it through a friend, but there were also plenty of Irish people who were interviewed. I think most of them seemed to be in management. surely they had friends, or knew of friends of friends looking for work. If Patrick the manager from Galway has a friend looking for a start and Pavlo from Poland has a friend in Warsaw looking to come to Ireland for a job, which one is more likely to get it?

MistyCheese · 06-05-2012 12:00am

yore wrote: »

and of course, there were loads of locals who wanted and were willing to do it. Sure the hotel owners are evil ba$tards. Perhaps they know that the pesky tourists really want the authentic Irish experience by being looked after by a myriad of nationalities... (I'm being sarcastic.....I'm not into hotel management, but I'm sure they'd prefer to have plenty of Irish staff. Travel around the world and you'll find lots of Irish pubs. And the owners really love having Irish people behind the bar. It's common sense. Obviously the foreign workers make up for that in other areas such as dilligence and hard work)

I'm not saying she didn't find it through a friend, but there were also plenty of Irish people who were interviewed. I think most of them seemed to be in management. surely they had friends, or knew of friends of friends looking for work. If Patrick the manager from Galway has a friend looking for a start and Pavlo from Poland has a friend in Warsaw looking to come to Ireland for a job, which one is more likely to get it?

Pavlo, as they can pay him less.

IrishAm · 06-05-2012 12:05am

yore wrote: »

Sure the hotel owners are evil ba$tards.

A lot are, friend. An awful lot of them are.

yore · 06-05-2012 12:08am

MistyCheese wrote: »

Great. Now could you possibly concise that into a far less verbose version that would in simple fact answer a simple question with an a simple answer rather than extorting an ultra complicated syntax in order to scare a simple question and drown it in words of four or more syllable?

Thank you.

Ok. I'll "concise" it for you.

You asked why I was interested in things happening in Ireland because I am working abroad.

The answer is that I am Irish. I like Ireland. I was born there. I have a great interest in all things Irish. My friends and family are there so If things get very bad for Ireland then it is bad for my friends and family. I hope to go home sometime. Because of all of this, I am interested in Irish current affairs.

My attempt at using smaller words for you.
Ireland good. I like very much. It is my favourite place. Me leave to work. Me a bit sad. Me hope to come home. Me hope Ireland do good and get better and big and strong.

yore · 06-05-2012 12:13am

Pavlo, as he will work harder and be more appreciative of the job.

sorry I think you had a typo there so I fixed it for you.

I'm fairly sure there are minimum industry rates, and if not, minimum wage at least.

What do you think should be done instead, pay Patrick's Irish friend more to take the job? What a fair wage? 50k a year?

IrishAm · 06-05-2012 12:16am

yore wrote: »

..I'm not into hotel management, but I'm sure they'd prefer to have plenty of Irish staff.

Hotel managers despise unions. Whilst Irish staff, especially old school hotel staff know their rights and are card carrying union member. Great workers, but know their rights and wont be fucked around. Many non Irish nationals were, and are, unaware of the various employment rights afforded to them under legislation. Hotel managers love them. Or more, their lack of knowledge of legislation afforded to them.

So, you're officially long term unemployed

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