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  • #52
    half_life_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭half_life_man


    hey guys. I have been recently trying to gain weight and have been taking Serious Mass the past few weeks. However i'm not sure if this is the right product for me. I want to gain weight with muscle but tone my body at the same time. So my question is should I be sticking with Serious Mass weight gainer and do cardio or buy a protein supplement and do cardio. I am quite skinny as it is (10.10 stone,5ft 11) so I am trying to bulk up but not with fat. If I start doing cardio with Serious Mass would I see better results than I would if I were taking a protein shake.


  • #53
    aye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 991 ✭✭✭aye


    half_life_man wrote: »
    hey guys. I have been recently trying to gain weight and have been taking Serious Mass the past few weeks. However i'm not sure if this is the right product for me. I want to gain weight with muscle but tone my body at the same time. So my question is should I be sticking with Serious Mass weight gainer and do cardio or buy a protein supplement and do cardio. I am quite skinny as it is (10.10 stone,5ft 11) so I am trying to bulk up but not with fat. If I start doing cardio with Serious Mass would I see better results than I would if I were taking a protein shake.

    if your trying to gain wieght, i'd think you should be lifting heavy weights, not doing cardio.
    i dont know anything about serious mass, to gain weight you need to add at least an extra 2 calories per pound of bodyweight per day to your diet.

    so work out your weight in pounds, say its 160lbs, means you need an extra 320 calories per day.

    start squatting, benching, deadlifting.
    start eating more protein and take the calories in.
    you wont see results from a supplement within a few weeks, it takes time and training.


  • #54
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    I jus got some from the health shop

    Jus lookin for info on how much I need to take, when to take etc

    It says on the pack you have to take 3 at every meal, and some after workout, but my friends dad [a retired b/builder] said this is just a marketing ploy and that one a day should be grand


    Any advice?????


  • #55
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    It really depends on what you're trying to achieve. A lot of people starting out forget that supplements are exactly that, "supplements".

    They are there to be used in conjunction with a proper diet to achieve your goals. You need to figure out how much food you need to eat every day to achieve your goals and if you can't eat the food (real food will be always be better than supplements) due to whatever reason you can use supplements to reach your target.

    Too many people people think that supplements are some kind of magic potion in gaining muscle. Drinking a protein shake on it's on won't put on muscle. You need to have all the other factors in place also.


  • #56
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Hmmm, dont really know where ye got that from

    I simply asked whens the best time to take them, and how much to take

    My diet is well sorted, as is my training


  • #57
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I just got creatine for the first time, it came free with a tub of whey I got in leffey valley which was handy.

    Today I drank it straight dissolved in warm water as per the instructions. Disgusting, terrible.

    How does everyone else take it?

    Also the instructions say to take 2 tsp a day for the next 2 weeks to load up on it and then drop to 1 tsp a day. Is this the best way?

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  • #58
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,598 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Are carb and/or fat binders effective at all. To control/adjust diet.
    Or thermogenic (sp?) burners?


  • #59
    The Freeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭The Freeman


    briankeating wrote: »
    I just got creatine for the first time, it came free with a tub of whey I got in leffey valley which was handy.

    Today I drank it straight dissolved in warm water as per the instructions. Disgusting, terrible.

    How does everyone else take it?

    Also the instructions say to take 2 tsp a day for the next 2 weeks to load up on it and then drop to 1 tsp a day. Is this the best way?


    yo man!

    i personally take 5grams in a glass of orange juice every day, and on work out days straight after workout, ya could put it in your protein shake ya wouldn't taste it then.

    also don't bother with reading the back of it, read here on proper directions on how to take creatine dosage.(great site and well laid out too so have a look around,it helped me greatly;))

    check that the brand of creatine is descent also, there could be a valid reason that it was offered as a bundle package


  • #60
    The Freeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭The Freeman


    half_life_man wrote: »
    hey guys. I have been recently trying to gain weight and have been taking Serious Mass the past few weeks. However i'm not sure if this is the right product for me. I want to gain weight with muscle but tone my body at the same time. So my question is should I be sticking with Serious Mass weight gainer and do cardio or buy a protein supplement and do cardio. I am quite skinny as it is (10.10 stone,5ft 11) so I am trying to bulk up but not with fat. If I start doing cardio with Serious Mass would I see better results than I would if I were taking a protein shake.


    ya need to be eating between 5-6 meals a day with protein in each meal, you also need to be eating 1gram of protein per pound of body weight to be achieving your goal of putting on mass


    personally i found this site very easy to understand for a novice like i was in the past and in a similar situation to yourself

    http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/


    it might help yourself also;)


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  • #61
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Mellor wrote: »
    Are carb and/or fat binders effective at all. To control/adjust diet.
    Or thermogenic (sp?) burners?
    They're really only effective if your diet is 99% spot on - they'll help with that final push.

    If you use thermogens when your diet is crap, you'll see no results tbh.


  • #62
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,598 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    thanks,
    i think they might help so. my diet is ok, but a little nudge wiould help, i need to tone up before i get into heavy workouts


  • #63
    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    Do people put oats in with whey protein for every shake or just for the PWO one where carbs are recommended?

    What kind of carb suppliments would people recommend I put in with whey protein for a PWO shake - I'm looking to build muscle / tone (And lose weight as a result).

    Would the three PWO suppliments linked to by g'em in the first post include protein in them (so it's just a case of mixing it straight with water) or would they be for adding to protein?


  • #64
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    the basis of the shake will be liquid [water or milk] and Whey

    then most people add their own thing to it

    Best of making it with water PWO for faster absorption

    Your goals are a bit conflicting. To bulk up you need to eat more calories than you need. To lose fat, you need to eat less.

    You shouldnt need much carbs pwo, but you need simple carbs [lucozade sport, mi-wadi etc] to replace muscle glycogen


  • #65
    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    unreggd wrote: »
    the basis of the shake will be liquid [water or milk] and Whey

    then most people add their own thing to it

    OK - just wasn't sure if the oats thing was just preference or specifically for PWO shakes.
    Your goals are a bit conflicting. To bulk up you need to eat more calories than you need. To lose fat, you need to eat less.

    I wouldn't have thought so - from what I've read numerous times here people say the two can go hand in hand and that increasing muscle mass increases your bodies ability to burn fat. Obviously it all requires a good diet and it's not the only way of doing it but if you have more muscle burning energy you'll tend to lose fat as a result.
    You shouldnt need much carbs pwo, but you need simple carbs [lucozade sport, mi-wadi etc] to replace muscle glycogen

    People here have been saying less than 1g/kg (I think g'em said 0.5-0.8g) of lean bodyweight in carbs with a 2:1 ratio of carbs: protein. I'm just wondering what supplement specifically you can add for these carbs.


  • #66
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    You should get a mass gainer so. I just finished a bag of Serious Mass and it was great

    one scoop of S/Mass and one scoop of whey would be a good pwo shake
    You'd be getting 50g protein and about 50g good carbs

    Are you doin cardio aswel?

    I'd say just go on a bulk. I did it for the last 2.5 months and it made a big difference to my frame, not jus specific muscles. I did put on a little fat but its not a big deal as the muscles beneath got bigger :D


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  • #67
    spottykatt
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭spottykatt


    Howdy,
    Can anyone reccommend a fatburner?? Im cutting down at the mo and all going well so far, using a super clean moderate carb diet, just looking for a little boost to help loose the last few %bf.
    Ta


  • #68
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Most of them are just green tea caps, so ye'd prob be better off just drinkin actual green tea

    once you're on a steady calorie deficit you should be grand


  • #69
    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    unreggd wrote: »
    You should get a mass gainer so. I just finished a bag of Serious Mass and it was great

    one scoop of S/Mass and one scoop of whey would be a good pwo shake
    You'd be getting 50g protein and about 50g good carbs

    Wouldn't have really considered a mass gainer tbh - will look into it.
    Are you doin cardio aswel?

    I'm trying to swim in addition to my weights but I've not been nearly regular enough about that - would walk a lot too although not at any kind of pace that I'd consider to be that much of a work out.
    I'd say just go on a bulk. I did it for the last 2.5 months and it made a big difference to my frame, not jus specific muscles. I did put on a little fat but its not a big deal as the muscles beneath got bigger :D

    How much bigger did you get in that time frame and what was your workout like during that time? Probably a stupid question but would you have to train extra hard to ensure you weren't putting it on as fat (I mean, I figure it's basically akin to eating more)


  • #70
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Pic here

    2nd pic was the 23rd of June

    Best stick with compunds:
    Chins/dips
    Squats
    Lunges
    Deadlifts
    Bench Press

    and eat like a horse [a horse with a degree in fitness and nutrition :p]

    Swimmin aint great for fat loss


    Did u start ur own thread? this is goin a little offtopic


  • #71
    flogen
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    Did u start ur own thread? this is goin a little offtopic

    It is a little so I won't hog it for much longer! I haven't started my own thread, no. Have been trying to track my gym work with a diary, though. Although not my food (which is the area I'm currently trying to get right as I think I've largely gotten to grips with the exercise side of things for now.

    [QUOTEPic here

    2nd pic was the 23rd of June[/quote]

    Definite difference there alright and in quite a short time frame - I'd have a naturally larger frame than you would have in your before picture and certainly have a bit more fat on my bones too; ultimately I'd be looking to tone mostly but also add some bulk without getting so big that my suits don't fit any more :P (I know, there's no fear of me getting too big by accident - just saying what my ultimate goal would be, a bit more muscle and plenty of definition!).
    Best stick with compunds:
    Chins/dips
    Squats
    Lunges
    Deadlifts
    Bench Press

    Yeah - spent a lot of time in the gym for the last while doing a few compounds and mainly isolation work... in the last few weeks I've completely re-thought that and am doing mainly compounds with just one or two isolations. The main benefit is I can spend less time in the gym and still get a great workout - probably better than I had before. Means I'm not rushing to get things done or leaving things out because I've not got the time.

    Still got to start doing deadlifts but hoping to factor them in soon enough. Am still doing dumbell squats too but hoping to graduate to the barbell soon - am quite nervous about it though but will do what I did with the bench - start of with low weights until I'm comfortable to take on more.
    and eat like a horse [a horse with a degree in fitness and nutrition :p]

    Sounds good to me - am still getting my diet right but it's getting there.
    Swimmin aint great for fat loss

    No? Shame - I quite enjoy it and am not the biggest fan of the threadmill. Will still keep swimming all the same as it's not going to be counterproductive but will try and throw even a few minutes cardio in after weights too... the only cardio I've been doing consistently is on the bike for a warm up which doesn't really matter much.

    Anyway - apologies to all for hijacking this thread... I won't do it any more!


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  • #72
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Start a thread in the main forum and ye can pick it up there


  • #73
    Glenman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Glenman


    Hi, I am training with Lakehill Tug of War club in Knockmore. Lost to Boley (european champions) in the 720kg national final 2 ends to 1 last Sunday in Slane :( But thats beside the point http://irishtugofwar.com

    Our training is from 9-11 at night which is fairly late finishing.
    Its a fairly intense session and it take the body 48 hours to fully recover.
    I have read somewhere that taking whey protein was fairly pointless before I go to bed. Would I be better off taking the shake first thing next morning instead? I know that Cassien protein is more effective late at night but they didn't have any of it in the supplement shop at the weekend so I bought whey instead.
    Thanks in advance


  • #74
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    It's not pointless at all, it'll just get digested a lot quicker than casein would. A whey shake would be ideal after training as it'll be quick and easy and you won't feel full before going to bed. You could also add oats to it for extra cals/ energy.


  • #75
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Glenman wrote: »
    I have read somewhere that taking whey protein was fairly pointless before I go to bed. Would I be better off taking the shake first thing next morning instead? I know that Cassien protein is more effective late at night but they didn't have any of it in the supplement shop at the weekend so I bought whey instead.
    Thanks in advance
    Take the whey straight after the workout with water so it absorbs quickly. Many say take it immediately after, so I start taking some during the workout sometimes, I figure it will be absorbing well by the time I finish.

    To mimic the effect of casein you can just mix the whey with milk before bed, the milk slows down absportion. Casein costs a lot more than whey too, so it is a cheap alternative, also since you only have to buy 1 protein tub you can save due to buying in bulk.


  • #76
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    Lads, I have a load of unflavoured whey that I want to use up, problem is, every time I try it, it makes me want to retch. So basically I'm looking for something to mask just how disgusting it tastes.

    I know I recommended Options hot chocolate to a few people here - I heard it was gorgeous from one of Hanley's mates - to all those people, I apologise. It actually tastes awful. I saw someone recommend making a smoothie out of it with ice and pineapple but that was awful as well.

    The question is, am I being unrealistic thinking I can make this nasty protein taste somewhat decent and should I just give up, hold my nose and chug it back?? Or has anyone discovered something I can mix it with to make it taste yummy??


  • #77
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    I used to use that syrup stuff that you get on 99's
    you can get it in the supermarket. alot of sugar though, but it did mask the taste, however I just ended up getting flavoured whey after that.


  • #78
    eclectichoney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭eclectichoney


    malteaser what about mixing half a scoop of unflavoured with half a scoop of a flavoured whey?? If the flavour is strong enough it might be ok, though obviously it will take a little longer to use it up!


  • #79
    The Freeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭The Freeman


    if ya have a blender try some honey and a banana, should do a trick, possibly some peanut butter or nuts of some sort, no?


  • #80
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    I used to use that syrup stuff that you get on 99's
    you can get it in the supermarket. alot of sugar though, but it did mask the taste, however I just ended up getting flavoured whey after that.

    That's a clever idea, probably a bit too much sugar though...I'm doing my best to keep it to a minimum at the moment!
    eclectichoney wrote: »
    malteaser what about mixing half a scoop of unflavoured with half a scoop of a flavoured whey?? If the flavour is strong enough it might be ok, though obviously it will take a little longer to use it up!

    Now there's an idea, I must give that a go if I could get my hands on some falvoured protein.

    *Hint hint Hanley* :)
    The Freeman wrote: »
    if ya have a blender try some honey and a banana, should do a trick, possibly some peanut butter or nuts of some sort, no?

    Sounds good, I was really looking for something that I could stick in a blender and drink away. I'm not really into bananas but I'm sure I could try it with some other fruit. Maybe mango and try to recreate that smoothie from Zumo!!


  • #81
    The Freeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭The Freeman


    if ya like orange throw in a rubex(orange flavour)
    very nice also, or pick a fruit ya like and pop that in;)


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  • #82
    Ashfield
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ashfield


    Hi lads,
    Im looking into buying some whey now that im going to the gym,
    Just wanted to know how does it mix with water?
    Is is just a case of stirring in for a minute or does it need blending?
    Was on casilan 90 a while ago and that was a pain to mix,
    Thanks


  • #83
    yomchi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    Whey should mix good in a shaker bottle, might not stir up to well though.
    Casilan is casein based, that doesn't mix well without a blender.


  • #84
    tribulus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭tribulus


    Decent brands of whey should mix with a few seconds of vigourous shaking (in a shaker).

    I remember drinking lumpy pints of casilan, uuugh.


  • #85
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    How long does ZMA take to absorb?

    Ive read it has to be taken with no calcium, as calcium is prioritised and the ZMA isnt absorbed


  • #86
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    unreggd wrote: »
    How long does ZMA take to absorb?

    Ive read it has to be taken with no calcium, as calcium is prioritised and the ZMA isnt absorbed

    It really doent matter as its doing you almost no good whatsoever.You might get a better night's sleep under its influence but mostly its a con-job.


  • #87
    Piste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Malteaser! wrote: »
    Lads, I have a load of unflavoured whey that I want to use up, problem is, every time I try it, it makes me want to retch. So basically I'm looking for something to mask just how disgusting it tastes.

    I know I recommended Options hot chocolate to a few people here - I heard it was gorgeous from one of Hanley's mates - to all those people, I apologise. It actually tastes awful. I saw someone recommend making a smoothie out of it with ice and pineapple but that was awful as well.

    The question is, am I being unrealistic thinking I can make this nasty protein taste somewhat decent and should I just give up, hold my nose and chug it back?? Or has anyone discovered something I can mix it with to make it taste yummy??



    You could try making it chocolate flavoured by using some 100% cocoa powder.


  • #88
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Degsy wrote: »
    It really doent matter as its doing you almost no good whatsoever.You might get a better night's sleep under its influence but mostly its a con-job.
    How do you know this??


  • #89
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    unreggd wrote: »
    How do you know this??

    I took the stuff for months.


  • #90
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    unreggd wrote: »
    How do you know this??

    In fairness to Degsy, much of the 'evidence' supporting ZMA is anecdotal and hte science behind it is flimsy at best. That being said, it doesn't mean it won't work, simply that it hasn't been proven beyond doubt that it will. Have a read here and see what you think.


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  • #91
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Yeah most of the stuff Ive read is conflicting

    Some say it showed inprovements, others say none at all

    but that could be the whole Calcium issue

    Ill give it a shot and see what happens


  • #92
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    The Freeman wrote: »
    if ya like orange throw in a rubex(orange flavour)
    very nice also, or pick a fruit ya like and pop that in;)

    I think the problem when I used the pineapple was that I wasn't using enough of it to mask the taste. Might substitute Rubex with my daily Berocca alright!!
    Piste wrote: »
    You could try making it chocolate flavoured by using some 100% cocoa powder.

    I tried it with Options Hot Chocolate before but again, I don't think I used enough of it to mask the taste...I guess I"ll just have to experiment some more!!

    Thanks for all the tips guys!! :)


  • #93
    gabgab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭gabgab


    Hey guys,

    I was thinking about putting a few scoops, maybe 70 grams worth of protein worked backwards, of unflavoured protein into a 2 liter bottle of water and having it in work with me.

    Saves me going and mixing them up etc and can just work through it during the day, anyone tried this?


  • #94
    pvt.joker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭pvt.joker


    good idea...might do something similiar myself


  • #95
    Piste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Malteaser! wrote: »
    I think the problem when I used the pineapple was that I wasn't using enough of it to mask the taste. Might substitute Rubex with my daily Berocca alright!!



    I tried it with Options Hot Chocolate before but again, I don't think I used enough of it to mask the taste...I guess I"ll just have to experiment some more!!

    Thanks for all the tips guys!! :)

    Yeah a teaspoon of cocoa powder had several times the taste of options so it'd probably mask the taste more.


  • #96
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,121 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    http://www.myprotein.co.uk/capsules-tablets-softgels/sports-supplements/

    Anyone know if any of these supps will help bulk me up a little extra? And aye, my diet and workout is spot on. Just curious about whether something else would help.


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  • #97
    Superdub2
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Superdub2


    Howdi,

    Ran into a comparison review of this product on youtube. Its a tab taken before you train. The review compared it to no xplode and said it was better. As anybody who has used no xplode will tell you that would take some beating!

    So has anybody taken it and what is it like. Ive been useing no shotgun since no xplode got outlawed but isnt quite the same!


  • #98
    #Smokey#
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭#Smokey#


    if youre looking for energy try getting 1mg B12 tablets they give you great energy in the gym and out.


  • #99
    gabgab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭gabgab


    Hey smokey,

    where would you get them? And what are they?

    Thanks


  • #100
    podge57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭podge57


    NO supps are a waste of money - you are basically spending E50+ on caffeine, which is the only proven stimulant in the ingredients - you could argue for AAKG aswell, but if you bought these 2 on their own , you would get the same impact for 10% of the price - NO supps dont help with muscle building, id sooner spend my money on a few steaks


    /end mini-rant


  • #101
    #Smokey#
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭#Smokey#


    They are the vitamin b12 and you can get them here:
    http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Naturals-Methylcobalamin-Vitamin-B12

    that AAKG is there also 
    http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-NitrO2-Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate


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