Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

full_irish · 06-06-2012 1:21pm

Oh and one last thing, people saying "go back to your Dublin (insert other county) thread". This is not a Kildare or Cavan thread and everyone with an interest in the transfer (i.e most of the country) have every right to read and post in this thread.

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 1:23pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Johnston is a small fish in big water gaa thought they could bully him out of transfer but fair ****s to him for standing his ground on the matter. Why should he not play inter county if his own county said they didn't want him? Remember he didn't abandon Cavan! Cavan abandoned him.

So if Kieran McGeeney drops a player from the Kildare panel in the morning, the player's county is abandoning him?

That's some logic you've got there. There are players being abandoned by their counties all over the country!

Felexicon · 06-06-2012 1:29pm

Lemlin wrote: »

So if Kieran McGeeney drops a player from the Kildare panel in the morning, the player's county is abandoning him?

That's some logic you've got there. There are players being abandoned by their counties all over the country!

Again not having a go just trying to see where you're coming from.

Are you annoyed at the circumstances of transfer in general? By that I mean would you feel the same way if it was a county other than Cavan that was involved

DoctaDee · 06-06-2012 1:38pm

full_irish wrote: »

Oh and one last thing, people saying "go back to your Dublin (insert other county) thread". This is not a Kildare or Cavan thread and everyone with an interest in the transfer (i.e most of the country) have every right to read and post in this thread.

Ah I didn't take it personally.... if yer here long enough you'll clash swords with the Dark one

... I respect him for holding his opinion and his allegiance to Kildare is unwavering .. but using a horsey analaogy .. this isn't the first time he's run in blinkers

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 1:40pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Again not having a go just trying to see where you're coming from.

Are you annoyed at the circumstances of transfer in general? By that I mean would you feel the same way if it was a county other than Cavan that was involved

I'm annoyed by Dark-Knight stating that Cavan "acted the bollix" with Johnston and other such ill-informed opinions of the whole saga.

The player was dropped by Cavan. Nothing more. So for someone to say Cavan treated him unfairly is totally incorrect.

Players are dropped from panels over the country all the time.

Read back over the thread. I previously wished Seanie well. The Cavan panel don't want him and I'm happy with that. He did annoy me running around Croke Park with Kildare before the transfer went through which I feel showed a lack of respect to both Cavan and his club Cavan Gaels.

However, I wouldn't care if Johnston moved to Monaghan, Leitrim, Down, Fermanagh or any other county. What annoys me is this downright ludicrous opinion that he was treated unfairly in Cavan.

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 1:44pm

I'll be honest here Johnston has his work cut out to get onto Kildare team I just think its sickening the way this whole transfer panned out.

Negative points for Cavan for not building bridges with Johnston, negative for Kildare with people of the view we are poaching players and negative thoughts on gaa bosses, cccc whatever u wanna call them for treating Johnston badly dragging this out!!

It's negative all round lads absolutely terrible.

I for one hope if this does nothing else it will take the gaa forward in producing a fair hearing process and a clear set of rules rather than it being "sure that doesn't sound right" attitude.

I'm not dragging this on but I think the whole thing was a disgrace from start to finish

Hammer Archer · 06-06-2012 1:45pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Tbh and completely honest no I wouldn't. Believe it or not but nobody in any county panel owes anybody anything..

Why would anyone be bitter towards any other man?

Seeing the ethos crap being spouted here why are gaa bosses paid a salary? While young in country wear **** kit??

I don't believe ethical gaa notions when the top of gaa are paid salaries..

Johnston is a small fish in big water gaa thought they could bully him out of transfer but fair ****s to him for standing his ground on the matter. Why should he not play inter county if his own county said they didn't want him? Remember he didn't abandon Cavan! Cavan abandoned him.

So you wouldn't support a talented Kildare player moving counties, yet you say no one on a county panel owes anything to anyone. I may have misinterpreted your post but that sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
And the GAA is a massive national organisation so obviously a lot of work is needed to run it so obviously no one will do that for free as it would be impossible to hold down a paying job at the same time (unlike when you're a player).

And I don't think dropping a player constitutes abandoning him. Dean Rock, a fantastic player, was dropped form the Dublin squad recently yet notice he hasn't ran off to join another club/county when he could walk on to many teams in the country from what I've seen of him. Johnston was informed that he wasn't needed for the upcoming league campaign and within a week he's trying to engineer a move to another county. I don't know about you, but to me I certainly wouldn't want to try and bring back a player who throws a hissy fit and tries to switch counties just because he was dropped.

And finally, you may think Cavan abandoned Johnston, but what about his club? When this saga began, he tried to stay playing with Cavan Gaels (again, strange that he was adamant that training in Kildare would be impossible if he was living in Cavan, yet it seems training in Cavan while living in Kildare would have been no problem). When he was told that this wasn't allowed, he went and joined St. Kevin's. Who abandoned who in this case? Surely Johnston owes a little something to the club whose (amateur in this case) coaches helped develop him as a player from juvenile upwards.

Felexicon · 06-06-2012 1:45pm

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm annoyed by Dark-Knight stating that Cavan "acted the bollix" with Johnston and other such ill-informed opinions of the whole saga.

The player was dropped by Cavan. Nothing more. So for someone to say Cavan treated him unfairly is totally incorrect.

Players are dropped from panels over the country all the time.

Read back over the thread. I previously wished Seanie well. The Cavan panel don't want him and I'm happy with that. He did annoy me running around Croke Park with KIldare before the transfer went through which I feel showed a lack of respect to both Cavan and his club Cavan Gaels.

However, I wouldn't care iof Johnston moved to Monaghan, Leitrim, Down, Fermanagh or any other county. What annoys me is this downright ludicrous opinion that he was treated unfairly in Cavan.

Cool. I'd be in agreement about the whole treated unfairly by Cavan business.
Like in all aspects of life, personalities play a role and I think that was a deciding factor in Johnston being dropped by Cavan. The best thing he could have done was put his head down and play with his club to such a level as to force the Cavan management team to reconsider thier stance

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 1:46pm

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm annoyed by Dark-Knight stating that Cavan "acted the bollix" with Johnston and other such ill-informed opinions of the whole saga.

The player was dropped by Cavan. Nothing more. So for someone to say Cavan treated him unfairly is totally incorrect.

Players are dropped from panels over the country all the time.

Read back over the thread. I previously wished Seanie well. The Cavan panel don't want him and I'm happy with that. He did annoy me running around Croke Park with Kildare before the transfer went through which I feel showed a lack of respect to both Cavan and his club Cavan Gaels.

However, I wouldn't care if Johnston moved to Monaghan, Leitrim, Down, Fermanagh or any other county. What annoys me is this downright ludicrous opinion that he was treated unfairly in Cavan.

Why should he show cavan county respect when he was dropped? Doesn't make sense to me why should he give two hoots!!

He looked at home with the Kildare lads sure more luck to him

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 1:49pm

nympho wrote: »

snip

Jesus bitterness is a terrible thing

Felexicon · 06-06-2012 1:51pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Why should he show cavan county respect when he was dropped? Doesn't make sense to me why should he give two hoots!!

He looked at home with the Kildare lads sure more luck to him

Hahahahahahahaha quality!!!!!!!!! Stoke those flames brother!!!!!!!!

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 1:52pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Why should he show cavan county respect when he was dropped? Doesn't make sense to me why should he give two hoots!!

He looked at home with the Kildare lads sure more luck to him

I'll answer your questions when you answer mine above.

Between yourself, Tayto Lover, Premierstone and Mighty Sticks, this forum is gone to the dogs.

I think I'll go back to sticking to the Cavan thread. This is getting beyond a joke to be honest.

The new Hogan Stand forum.

Tom Joad · 06-06-2012 1:53pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Again not having a go just trying to see where you're coming from.

Are you annoyed at the circumstances of transfer in general? By that I mean would you feel the same way if it was a county other than Cavan that was involved

To be fair Felexicon, early doors a number of posters from Cavan wished Seanie well while been disappointed that Seanie couldn't have kept the head down and played his way back into contention - it was fairly obvious that Val Andrews was never long for the managers job in Cavan but he chose a different route. For me the turning point was when he appeared in the national press with the Kildare panel - that was disrespectful to his county and the way of the game.

Added to that there has been numerous posters here alleging that Cavan/ the Cavan manager "acted the bollix" - that's plainly wrong and annoying!

DoctaDee · 06-06-2012 1:57pm

Wasn't he also dropped into the Cavan Gaels junior team at some stage ? Sounds like a lad with motivation issues - which I'm sure would be addressed pulling on a lily jersey, because McGeeney would give a lad like that short shift.

Tom Joad · 06-06-2012 1:58pm

full_irish wrote: »

Oh and to answer the hypothetical question that everyone keeps avoiding.

Would I like to see a talented Kildare player (e.g JD) move to Dublin?
Hell to the no, I'd be fuming if it happened as there would be no reason for him to transfer as its a commutable distance. I'd hold the dirt beneath my shoe in higher esteem.
If he say got a great job in Donegal or West Cork etc (i.e not commutable) and moved cus of this recession fella, then it'd be hard be begrudge him. Good luck to ya, just try not score against Kildare if we met your new team.

Any in regards to Johnston transfer?
Do I think it's a good precedent for the game? No.
Do I think it will be a big issue in the future? No, the fella's in CCCC/CAC will have to re-draft the rules to tighten this up.
Do I want Seanie at Kildare? Of course, he seems to be a talented player and I'm clearly a big hypocrit but at least I'm willing to admit it. I'd be only delighted if he kicked the winning point in ANY game this season. I think talks of an All-Ireland is pre-mature as we haven't beaten any of the big Div. 1 teams in I don't know how long.

Apologies for essay. Hope this can tie up a few loose knots and then get this thread (which is going in circles) closed in the near future.

Most sensible post on this thread in ages but gets lost in the rest of the crap. Time to close it and move on!!

Felexicon · 06-06-2012 2:02pm

Why do people keep calling for the thread to be closed.
I like to see peoples ongoing opinion on the matter and if you don't then don't read it.
It's not a case of well i'm finished with it so no one else should have it

DoctaDee · 06-06-2012 2:06pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Why do people keep calling for the thread to be closed.
I like to see peoples ongoing opinion on the matter and if you don't then don't read it.
It's not a case of well i'm finished with it so no one else should have it

In fairness 75 pages sorta determines that it's on its last lap tho ... there's offshoot threads which could be created/contributed to but nothing new on SJ saga

Tom Joad · 06-06-2012 2:09pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Why do people keep calling for the thread to be closed.
I like to see peoples ongoing opinion on the matter and if you don't then don't read it.
It's not a case of well i'm finished with it so no one else should have it

Because its going round and round in circles/ people are raising good points or asking questions but they are not being answered or addressed because the thread is being dragged off topic so a serious discussion is not possible at this stage.

I too like to see peoples opinion on the matter but that's not really happening because its being dragged off topic - in last half hour alone we've had the goading troll posts/ the break a leg comment and now a question of how Seanie got his job - how can we have a discussion/ exchange of views in the middle of all that

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 2:11pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha quality!!!!!!!!! Stoke those flames brother!!!!!!!!

I thought it was fairly obvious my posts were banter based ffs!!!

Can I ask where has our sense of humour gone? Died with the Celtic tiger I fear ffs

Lads wind up like can we all relax. Sorry of I upset a few didn't mean to go that far

DARK-KNIGHT · 06-06-2012 2:13pm

And I do agree this transfer shouldn't have happened.. But nothing any of us can do about it!

To Cavan lads I was having a bit of craic I thought all this was behind us and jest could be had

Lemlin · 06-06-2012 2:51pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

And I do agree this transfer shouldn't have happened.. But nothing any of us can do about it!

To Cavan lads I was having a bit of craic I thought all this was behind us and jest could be had

You're about as good a lier as you are at posting factually correct information.

Clareman · 06-06-2012 3:17pm

I think this thread has ran it's course at this stage so I'm locking it as there seems to be too much back biting/snide remarks/hassle involved in leaving it open.

Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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