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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #2652
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    Rocket19 wrote: »
    I'm sure plenty of the people who oppose the household tax are not opposing it simply because they can't afford the extra €100.
    Obviously on its own, €100 isn't much, but don't you see that for the mostpart, it's the principle of being forced to contribute money towards something we shouldn't be paying for? I'd like to think that people would oppose this tax regardless of whether they're in a position to afford it or not.

    I'm sure for a lot of people who are already breaking their backs trying to repay debt, look after their familes, send their kids to college, etc, it is highly offensive for some people to imply that everyone can afford it - "sure it's only €2 a week". But I'd say for many, it's just yet another tax that's being added to their burden. Some people budget to fcuk, and they still come up short, so who is anyone to imply that everyone can afford it.

    Not everyone who resents this is being "cheap". The household tax and peoples' opposition to it has (imo) become a microcosm for peoples' feelings about this entire mess and how we're being fcucked., over and over again. What's wrong with taking a stand against that, even if it's just a start??? The actual cheek of people to say "it's only €100". My parents are v. comfortable financially, yet they still oppose it. No-one should be paying this.
    (rant wasn't really directed at you btw!)


    Fantastic I agree 110% it is not €2 a week god sake you will find this on the street in a few days if you look hard! We want of the rollercoaster the ride has been long enough we are sick of it and im sure rocket and I speak on behalf of the majority of the population (the ones that are not afraid to make a stand)

    I have said this over and over again, if the government see that they have not got a chance they will look into alternatives, where there's a will there's a way. Just because there may appear to be an easy solution to something does not make it the right one.


  • #2653
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    People are not going to pay straight away. These taxes get paid nearer the time.

    Not this time!!

    This thing has caused to much outrage, there are professional people many of them who has paid everything all there lives myself included even from financial controllers to post men, they say the same thing "im not paying"

    People who are saying ah we will all end up paying it..... no we wont!!! Look at the water charges? everyone said no there was mass objections to this and the people won!!

    Everyone needs to understand there is power in numbers, the government are people like you and I if we stick and stand together this tax will be abolished and this is a FACT.


  • #2654
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    I am not here to convert anyone, I am here to offer my opinion only. I have never once advised anyone to pay it or not to pay it as it is up to them what they do with their own money. I would not for a second tell anyone what to do with their money unlike the anti brigade.

    You offered your opinion but your still here fighting your points across, looks to me like you really want people to pay this tax, why I have no idea.

    Can you not see that your loosing? The majority rules so you can say what you want but people are not going to pay this and its that simple. You go and pay it with your buddies, we will be the ones laughing when your paying a grand next year.

    Donal are you in government?? I find it amazing, your supporting this stupid tax like mad! Get the message people are paying out enough already and everyone knows that this new tax will jump way beyond €2 a week very soon

    By the way Donal I never said people should not pay taxes, this is the reason why you where unable to quote me.

    Anti people well done again, its important that everyone is proactive with this protest make sure you tell everyone your not paying.


    I couldn't care less if people pay it or not I have only ever said I will pay it because it's the law and I don't feel that I can pick and choose the taxes or charges I pay.

    I may even agree this tax is stupid and there would have been far better ways to raise 160m but unfortunately I can only discuss the household charge as it is now.

    I also fail to see how I could be "losing" as i can't see how there are any winners. Those that pay are down a hundred quid those that don't have a charge registered against their property so everyone loses


  • #2655
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Anita M. wrote: »
    page 102 in this thread and it is an interesting page.

    It is an act. If you get the bill send it back unopened and write on the back no contract. get a proof of postage when sending it back.
    If you pay this 100 euro then you have legally entered into a binding contract, forcing you to pay up future payments. That is why this introduction offer is so low,
    That arguement has been disproved. By all means dont pay if you oppose it, that is your right but the idea thqat only the laws you like apply to you has been disproved here and is not used by the anti-charge protesters.


  • #2656
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    When the household charge is replaced by the property tax and every household has the site valuation I wouldnt imagine the property tax will be self declaration maybe I am wrong but I can see them really chasing people on the property tax more so than the household charge, I think this has been introduced to appease the EU/IMF for now so I would imagine those that dont pay this wont actually end up in court will probably be forgotten about in a couple of years with the introduction of the property tax.


  • #2657
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Taxes are not optional, so this question is not relevant.


  • #2658
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Geuze wrote: »
    Taxes are not optional, so this question is not relevant.

    D'oh! You're telling me no one over here or in the rest of the world uses tax avoidance measures?? lol.

    Jaysus people spend half their lives in Portugal and the like just to save a few bob.

    People employ special accountants to avoid taxes.


  • #2659
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,209 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    It's about people not wanting to pay. That's why FG got into power. SF and ULA are saying they will bring in a wealth tax which is exactly what a property tax is. :rolleyes:

    We won't pay that either. We're poor.:rolleyes:


  • #2660
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    Only 75000 have paid - http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-paid-the-household-charge.html

    Those leaflets should be on the way soon.

    I'm tring to sell my house - so I will be paying to avoid any hassle when (if) I ever sell.


  • #2661
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Ogham wrote: »
    Only 75000 have paid - http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-paid-the-household-charge.html

    Those leaflets should be on the way soon.

    I'm tring to sell my house - so I will be paying to avoid any hassle when (if) I ever sell.

    A mass leafleting campaign is expected in the first half of February – with a Household Charge leaflet being delivered to every home in Ireland.


    I'll keep a look out for migrant workers being paid below the minimum wage to deliver these leaflets so. We'll see how much respect the government pays to it's own laws!!!


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  • #2662
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    squod wrote: »
    I'll keep a look out for migrant workers being paid below the minimum wage to deliver these leaflets so. We'll see how much respect the government pays to it's own laws!!!

    Chances are they will be delivered by a postman as with most post.


  • #2663
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Chances are they will be delivered by a postman as with most post.

    They're the only ones who know where all the houses are :)


  • #2664
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    a wealth tax which is exactly what a property tax is. :rolleyes:

    Property = wealth.

    Glad to know that Anglo-Irish bank is still worth billions.

    Oh hold on a minute...

    (The genius thinking that generated the property bubble is thus deemed to be the genius means to get us out of recession!)

    And by genius I mean retarded, of course.


  • #2665
    Gophur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    Property is not the same as wealth, if it's mortgaged.

    Equity = wealth


  • #2666
    Anita M.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 260 ✭✭Anita M.


    lividduck wrote: »
    That arguement has been disproved. By all means dont pay if you oppose it, that is your right but the idea thqat only the laws you like apply to you has been disproved here and is not used by the anti-charge protesters.
    in other words you disaprove and so should everyone else? like I stated it is NOT A LAW and you can send the bill back unopened with proof of postage. NO CONTRACT!
    Do not bin the bill as silence is approval. Just send back and openly refuse to contract them.


  • #2667
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Anita M. wrote: »
    in other words you disaprove and so should everyone else? like I stated it is NOT A LAW and you can send the bill back unopened with proof of postage. NO CONTRACT!
    Do not bin the bill as silence is approval. Just send back and openly refuse to contract them.

    There will be no bill sent out this year. It is a self registration process just like the NPPR (second homes) €200 tax. 340,000 are paying that without getting a bill this last three years and I never heard of any legal challenge to the system. The ones who did not register and pay now owe €2000 rising by €60 every month instead of just paying €600 to date. If any of these owners of multiple properties try to sell the conveyancing process will recover the unpaid charges.


  • #2668
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    How can that be right, how would everyone know about the charge?
    I know it's much hyped but there will always be those with their head in the sand, surely they would have to be notified in some way about this.
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  • #2669
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Chances are they will be delivered by a postman as with most post.
    Ogham wrote: »
    They're the only ones who know where all the houses are :)

    Luckily he was at my local anti-household tax meeting the last night.
    Hi Mick, if you are reading. :D


  • #2670
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Anita M. wrote: »
    in other words you disaprove and so should everyone else? like I stated it is NOT A LAW and you can send the bill back unopened with proof of postage. NO CONTRACT!
    Do not bin the bill as silence is approval. Just send back and openly refuse to contract them.
    First , I do not disapprove, I fully support the right of people to protest. Absolutley, no issue there.
    However, whether you like it or not it IS the law, even those leading the anti property tax campaign accept that it is the law, and no amount of half baked phiosophical sphistry will change that.
    Protest by all means, argue you case (Which has some validity) but depend on sillyness to convince others when you actually have better substantive arguements you can use.


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  • #2671
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    tayto lover wrote: »
    We won't pay that either. We're poor.:rolleyes:

    That's a subjective view of poverty. People that are actually poor don't own property. People that bought property that they can't afford now are bad financial planners.


  • #2672
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Property = wealth.

    Glad to know that Anglo-Irish bank is still worth billions.

    Oh hold on a minute...

    (The genius thinking that generated the property bubble is thus deemed to be the genius means to get us out of recession!)

    And by genius I mean retarded, of course.

    Property is an asset. If you can afford a house you can afford to pay a property tax. Muck like if you have a job you can afford to pay PRSI and PAYE. If you can't afford it you are already in financial difficulty and are going to lose it anyway.


  • #2673
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Property is an asset. If you can afford a house you can afford to pay a property tax. Muck like if you have a job you can afford to pay PRSI and PAYE. If you can't afford it you are already in financial difficulty and are going to lose it anyway.
    My property is costing me enough and belongs to the bank for the next ten years and anyway I have already paid for services I dont get!;)


  • #2674
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Property is an asset.

    How does a four year old eat an asset?


  • #2675
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Property is an asset. If you can afford a house you can afford to pay a property tax. Muck like if you have a job you can afford to pay PRSI and PAYE. If you can't afford it you are already in financial difficulty and are going to lose it anyway.
    Or the next tax, or the next. Then the one after that. Death by 1000 cuts any one?


  • #2676
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,209 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    That's a subjective view of poverty. People that are actually poor don't own property. People that bought property that they can't afford now are bad financial planners.
    Wait until you have 30 years of paying a mortgage and then come back and tell me (hope i'm still around). Just when I am finished paying they want to charge me again. No I won't be paying. It's mine all mine.


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  • #2677
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Just when I am finished paying they want to charge me again. No I won't be paying.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU


  • #2678
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    That's a subjective view of poverty. People that are actually poor don't own property. People that bought property that they can't afford now are bad financial planners.
    That should win an award for the dumbest post on the thread!
    People who bought homes are not bad financial planners they bought homes because our politicans and our then Financial Regulator assured them it was the right thing to do and that both the economy and the banks were sound, to quote my earlier post.
    Those who blame ordinary people who put their trust in the financial Regulator and the Government of being "Bad financial planners" is not only insulting it a total misrepresentation of what happened in this economy over the last two decades. Shame on you.....and this is from someone who has registered and has paid and is being convinced more and more that i was mistaken in doing so.


  • #2679
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    lividduck wrote: »
    Not everybody is in financial trouble because they were rash some people believed the Goverment who said "our economic fundementals were strong" and the Financial Regulator who said "Irish banks have the best capitization in Europe" etc.., people made decisions based on the information provided by the state and its agencys so stop blaming them as though they were rabid spendcrazy maniacs.
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    That should win an award for the dumbest post on the thread!
    People who bought homes are not bad financial planners they bought homes because our politicans and our then Financial Regulator assured them it was the right thing to do and that both the economy and the banks were sound, to quote my earlier post.
    Those who blame ordinary people who put their trust in the financial Regulator and the Government of being "Bad financial planners" is not only insulting it a total misrepresentation of what happened in this economy over the last two decades. Shame on you.....and this is from someone who has registered and has paid and is being convinced more and more that i was mistaken in doing so.

    There is a waiver in place for owners of residential property entitled to mortgage interest supplement.


  • #2680
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Intimidation and bullying people into paying a stupid tax. The money will be wasted. The chances are that raising these taxes will damage the economy.

    Someone should speak up. Think we need a figure head and not just opposition parties waffling on while enjoying a champange lifestyle.

    If the goverment do a leaflet drop I'll try organise a counter leaflet if I can find like minded local folk to fund it and deliver them.


  • #2681
    Stereomaniac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    The SWP in Waterford have been doing a pretty good job of motivating people and fighting this. There was a protest today and there's another one planned for Monday. If you are organising leaflets let me know, I will help you in any way that I can. This tax is unacceptable. However, it is impressive to see just how many people are opposing it already.


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  • #2682
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Intimidation and bullying people into paying a stupid tax. The money will be wasted. The chances are that raising these taxes will damage the economy.

    Someone should speak up. Think we need a figure head and not just opposition parties waffling on while enjoying a champange lifestyle.

    If the goverment do a leaflet drop I'll try organise a counter leaflet if I can find like minded local folk to fund it and deliver them.

    You will organise a leaflet drop if other people pay for it and then deliver them too!!

    If people have a problem with increased taxes they should be including the VAT rise in their protests and should also be refusing to pay that surely and stop being so selective about which taxes they want to pay


  • #2683
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Intimidation and bullying people into paying a stupid tax. The money will be wasted. The chances are that raising these taxes will damage the economy.

    Someone should speak up. Think we need a figure head and not just opposition parties waffling on while enjoying a champange lifestyle.

    If the goverment do a leaflet drop I'll try organise a counter leaflet if I can find like minded local folk to fund it and deliver them.

    There's no shortage of figureheads. Joe Higgins, Clare Daly, Joan Collins, Luke Flanagan et al. Who did you have in mind?


  • #2684
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There's no shortage of figureheads. Joe Higgins, Clare Daly, Joan Collins, Luke Flanagan et al. Who did you have in mind?
    All of whom are from the extreme left (exept Ming who is just a nutjob) a very sustantial portion of those who have issues with the property tax are unlikely to follow a figurehead who believes that property is theft.


  • #2685
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Stereomaniac wrote: »
    The SWP in Waterford have been doing a pretty good job of motivating people and fighting this. There was a protest today and there's another one planned for Monday. If you are organising leaflets let me know, I will help you in any way that I can. This tax is unacceptable. However, it is impressive to see just how many people are opposing it already.

    I can't see how a protest is going to change anything even if 2 million people march on the capital in protest it won't make any difference as Ireland has no control over its finances any more. EU / IMF are the ones with the power and they are not going to give a flying fcuk about a protest over here, they may see a march in Dublin on the news at their house for 30seconds but will just continue eating their dinner and will not pay a blind bit of notice to any protests here.

    The time for protest was when the two Brian's were handing a blank cheque to the banks and signing away our sovereignty.


  • #2686
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    donalg1 wrote: »
    You will organise a leaflet drop if other people pay for it and then deliver them too!!

    If people have a problem with increased taxes they should be including the VAT rise in their protests and should also be refusing to pay that surely and stop being so selective about which taxes they want to pay

    VAT tax raises happen. Household charges have never happen (or never worked) here. It's as Enda said unfair, unjust or whatever.

    So, I'd rather stick a few bob into a leaflet drop and do it with some other people than see people wasting €100. This government is worse than the last shower. If it pisses them off even one little bit, it'll be worth it.


  • #2687
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    You will organise a leaflet drop if other people pay for it and then deliver them too!!

    If people have a problem with increased taxes they should be including the VAT rise in their protests and should also be refusing to pay that surely and stop being so selective about which taxes they want to pay

    VAT tax raises happen. Household charges have never happen (or never worked) here. It's as Enda said unfair, unjust or whatever.

    So, I'd rather stick a few bob into a leaflet drop and do it with some other people than see people wasting €100. This government is worse than the last shower. If it pisses them off even one little bit, it'll be worth it.

    That's a bit harsh now saying they are worse than the last lot I don't think that's possible ff were the ones that stabbed us in the back without us even knowing at least FG will do it to our faces and seem willing to make the choices that will lose them votes unlike ff.


  • #2688
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    VAT tax raises happen. Household charges have never happen (or never worked) here. It's as Enda said unfair, unjust or whatever.

    So, I'd rather stick a few bob into a leaflet drop and do it with some other people than see people wasting €100. This government is worse than the last shower. If it pisses them off even one little bit, it'll be worth it.

    When we were administered from GB there was a system of domestic rates going back hundreds of years. This carried on in the North and here after 1922 and still exists in the North in a modified form. It was abolished here in 1977 which in retrospect I would argue was a flawed decision as it put the onus for all expenditure on income tax. I don't think there is another example of a country abolishing property taxes except perhaps under the Soviet model and it is certainly a feature of taxation today in nearly every developed democracy. Governments will come and go but I doubt any of them in future will be easily persuaded to abolish this law once it is established.


  • #2689
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    When we were administered from GB there was a system of domestic rates going back hundreds of years. This carried on in the North and here after 1922 and still exists in the North in a modified form. It was abolished here in 1977 which in retrospect I would argue was a flawed decision as it put the onus for all expenditure on income tax. I don't think there is another example of a country abolishing property taxes except perhaps under the Soviet model and it is certainly a feature of taxation today in nearly every developed democracy. Governments will come and go but I doubt any of them in future will be easily persuaded to abolish this law once it is established.
    I think part of the issue here is that this property tax was concieved purely as a new revenue raising exercise "Eh what else can we tax, oh yeah we'll taxes peoples homes"!
    I have lived in other countries where they have property taxes but in those countries you get something for paying them;
    You bins get collected, we will still have to pay private companies.
    You get healthcare, we still have to pay€100 if we turn up at A&E, private health insurance etc
    You get local leisure centres and creches, we get f all.
    People would resent a property tax far less if they thought they were going to get something for it.


  • #2690
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    lividduck wrote: »
    I think part of the issue here is that this property tax was concieved purely as a new revenue raising exercise "Eh what else can we tax, oh yeah we'll taxes peoples homes"!
    I have lived in other countries where they have property taxes but in those countries you get something for paying them;
    You bins get collected, we will still have to pay private companies.
    You get healthcare, we still have to pay€100 if we turn up at A&E, private health insurance etc
    You get local leisure centres and creches, we get f all.
    People would resent a property tax far less if they thought they were going to get something for it.

    Perversely during the years when Ireland was obstensibly one of the richest countries in the world we didn't need to consider this taxation model. It's absence was compensated for over a good few years by returns from stamp duty many times the amount which is projected for the property tax. I doubt if people in Germany or Sweden or wherever are that happy handing over their property/local taxes but would England turn down £26 billion income for instance and say we don't need a council tax?


  • #2691
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Perversely during the years when Ireland was obstensibly one of the richest countries in the world we didn't need to consider this taxation model. It's absence was compensated for over a good few years by returns from stamp duty many times the amount which is projected for the property tax. I doubt if people in Germany or Sweden or wherever are that happy handing over their property/local taxes but would England turn down £26 billion income for instance and say we don't need a council tax?
    Your failure/refusal to address the level of service provision in those countries with established property taxes and Ireland is noted.


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  • #2692
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    lividduck wrote: »
    That should win an award for the dumbest post on the thread!
    People who bought homes are not bad financial planners they bought homes because our politicans and our then Financial Regulator assured them it was the right thing to do and that both the economy and the banks were sound, to quote my earlier post.
    Those who blame ordinary people who put their trust in the financial Regulator and the Government of being "Bad financial planners" is not only insulting it a total misrepresentation of what happened in this economy over the last two decades. Shame on you.....and this is from someone who has registered and has paid and is being convinced more and more that i was mistaken in doing so.

    No one forced them. If people thought about what they were getting into and not paid stupid amounts of money they would not be in a bad situation. The government deserves blame for not controlling it but people need to be treated like adults and be responsible for their own decisions.


  • #2693
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Ireland has no control over its finances any more. EU / IMF are the ones with the power

    Utter shite.
    How we raise money is our own business.
    The excuse that "the EU / IMF made me do it" is like saying "the dog ate my homework".
    lividduck wrote: »
    All of whom are from the extreme left (exept Ming who is just a nutjob)

    Spoken like a person who has never met Luke.
    He is far from a nutjob and I'd say he'd buy and sell a lot of the posters on this thread.


  • #2694
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭gk5000


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I can't see how a protest is going to change anything even if 2 million people march on the capital in protest it won't make any difference as Ireland has no control over its finances any more. EU / IMF are the ones with the power and they are not going to give a flying fcuk about a protest over here, they may see a march in Dublin on the news at their house for 30seconds but will just continue eating their dinner and will not pay a blind bit of notice to any protests here.

    The time for protest was when the two Brian's were handing a blank cheque to the banks and signing away our sovereignty.
    Sure it's easier than that in this case.
    Just don't register/pay.

    My guess is that its unworkable/unenforcable if more than say 25% of eligible people don't pay.


  • #2695
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    mikom wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Ireland has no control over its finances any more. EU / IMF are the ones with the power

    Utter shite.
    How we raise money is our own business.
    The excuse that "the EU / IMF made me do it" is like saying "the dog ate my homework".

    Well they told the govt to introduce it and they did so they must have some level of control over us don't you think?


  • #2696
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    lividduck wrote: »
    Your failure/refusal to address the level of service provision in those countries with established property taxes and Ireland is noted.

    Bit of a broad topic. Pick a country and we will see what google says. I know that the average in England is £1200 so if you took off what I pay for refuse collection it would still be a fair whack. And we are not paying for water separately yet. I don't think including health services is part of the comparison. Ironically if domectic rates had continued we would probably all still have our local authority binmen going round every week.


  • #2697
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    No one forced them. If people thought about what they were getting into and not paid stupid amounts of money they would not be in a bad situation. The government deserves blame for not controlling it but people need to be treated like adults and be responsible for their own decisions.
    Pity you dont apply that logic to bankers and bondholders!


  • #2698
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    lividduck wrote: »
    Pity you dont apply that logic to bankers and bondholders!

    I do.


  • #2699
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    I do.
    the only reason so many homeowners are in financial trouble is because they are being taxed to the bone to pay bondholders and recapitize banks, so if you hold the bondholders responsible you cant blame the homeowners.....well actually you can...if you are a troll (which Im sure you're not, you're just confused bless your little cotton socks!)


  • #2700
    Flex
    Registered Users Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Flex


    lividduck wrote: »
    the only reason so many homeowners are in financial trouble is because they are being taxed to the bone to pay bondholders and recapitize banks, so if you hold the bondholders responsible you cant blame the homeowners.....well actually you can...if you are a troll (which Im sure you're not, you're just confused bless your little cotton socks!)

    We're just servicing interest on the money borrowed for the bank bailout, we're never actually going to "pay" that money. Of the €16B hole in our public finances do you know how much is because of the interest we're paying on the bank bailout?


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  • #2701
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    donalg1 wrote: »

    That's a bit harsh now saying they are worse than the last lot I don't think that's possible ff were the ones that stabbed us in the back without us even knowing at least FG will do it to our faces and seem willing to make the choices that will lose them votes unlike ff.

    They are as bad if not worse . Can you recall Edna kenny standing up in the dail during the tiger days saying stop this nonsense it's all a bubble!! No cause he was oblivious to it like the rest of them. It's averaging at 2 gaffs a week now by fg/ lab . Shower of cnuts the lot of 'em. I hope to god only 5% pay the household charge. We'll see what they say then.


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