Supplements

EileenG · 17-01-2010 10:51pm

Protein drinks only work if drunk instead of high calories meals or snacks.

If she has a diet which is normally low in protein (and a lot of women do, they are trying so hard to stay low fat that they also miss out on protein) then a shake can help. If she's trying to lose weight, then they needs one which is not padded out with extra carbs, so something like the ON whey should be good. I recently bought a box of lots of different flavoured sachets and I'm having fun working through them.

Casein tends to fill you up for longer, and if you reduce the amount of liquid a bit, you can mix it to a pudding texture and eat it with a spoon, which is more satisfying then drinking it.

waterford1988 · 17-01-2010 11:39pm

Thinking of starting onCreatine in the next month or so. Now I have read that it causes hair loss and was wondering has anyone experienced side effects from taking creatine.

I know that you are supposed to take it for 3 months then come off it for a few months then go back on it. Are the gains from taking this stuff really worthwhile?

marko91 · 17-01-2010 11:43pm

corkcomp wrote: »

im always banging on about that, to the annoyance of many:P not knocking eggs but you need to eat 5 whole eggs to get the same protein as a tin of tuna so while they are a good protein source, there are better sources

?

really?..i allways taught eggs were full of protein, glad i enjoy a tuna sandwich morethan eggs

EileenG · 17-01-2010 11:53pm

Hair loss? Not so I've noticed, (tossing my tumbling mane over my shoulder).

Honestly, that's a completely new one, and not one I've come across in any of my research on creatine.

In general, creatine is an excellent supplement for those who respond to it (not everyone does). It improves endurance and strenght, can boost bone density, prevent muscle loss after injury, compensate for lack of sleep, all sorts of good stuff.

The down side is that it may cause some water retention, though not enough to cause problems. That's about it.

Ideally take it before or after a workout, with a small amount of carbs.

Roper · 18-01-2010 12:18am

waterford1988 wrote: »

Thinking of starting onCreatine in the next month or so. Now I have read that it causes hair loss and was wondering has anyone experienced side effects from taking creatine.

Well I'm not any balder from using it, though I'm a bad example.

I know that you are supposed to take it for 3 months then come off it for a few months then go back on it. Are the gains from taking this stuff really worthwhile?

No, you don't cycle creatine. That's a myth that comes from an erroneous association with steroids.

Creatine can work or not work.You may not respond to it the way some people would, but the effects can be good if you respond. The only question marks around it would be if you had diabetes, a kidney or liver problem or are just plain weak. In any of these cases it would be stupid to take creatine.

Racy · 18-01-2010 12:28am

Velocity Diet if she's brave/stupid enough

unreggd · 18-01-2010 1:33am

Sangre wrote: »

A protein drink is a meal supplement, not a replacement.

I thought using a protein shake as a meal replacement during fat loss was a common thing?

newby.204 · 18-01-2010 2:24am

sorry to go OT, but i'm currently on nutrisport90+(300g/dy) and Bcaa(18tabs/day) and i'm wondering if i added reflex creapure creatine to my supplements would it do any good? I'm currently doing 531Boring But Big, had to start cardio due to work. Legs aren't in great shape at the minute. Any help/advice appreciated. Not looking to go on creapure long term one or two tubs whilst my body gets used to the re-intro of cardio.

InKonspikuou2 · 18-01-2010 2:37am

waterford1988 wrote: »

Thinking of starting onCreatine in the next month or so. Now I have read that it causes hair loss and was wondering has anyone experienced side effects from taking creatine.

I know that you are supposed to take it for 3 months then come off it for a few months then go back on it. Are the gains from taking this stuff really worthwhile?

I tried it for over 2.5 months before. It didn't really made me any bigger but i did appear to look bigger due to the water retention. In the beginning i felt i had more energy and strength while in the gym but it didn't continue the whole course. Different people have different stories of it so give it a try if your only concern is the repercussions. You won't lose your hair. Maybe just a few liters from pissing so much.

chrussell · 18-01-2010 3:23am

Hi, I'm training for a marathon at the end of may. I'm pretty much training (either cardio or weight lifting) everyday. Just curious if anyone knows of any supplements that will help with my training, also ones that will help me slim and tone at the same time... any help would be much appreciated.

Mellor · 18-01-2010 4:32am

unreggd wrote: »

I thought using a protein shake as a meal replacement during fat loss was a common thing?

What would be the point??

rccaulfield · 18-01-2010 5:48am

eat whole food instead itl fill her up! 5/6 meals a day!

Casshern88 · 18-01-2010 10:47am

Firstly get your food right, supplements are exactly that, something extra to add to what should be your already good diet.

anyway id recommend some basic whey protein also maybe a endurance/recovery type pre or post work out shake something like axis labs slingshot is aimed at marathon runners and endurance evens.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/axis/slingshot.html

Frank Spencer · 18-01-2010 2:56pm

Currently using maximuscle progain extreme but have done a bit of digging around and it seems it's useless. What would you guys recommend that would bring similar results to what it claims to give? i.e gaining size and mass.

testing_times · 18-01-2010 4:16pm

Guys,
From reading posts and general internet info I get that I should take any supplement in the morning and after work out or in the afternoon.
My question is :
Should I also take the same supplement in the morning and afternoon on rest days or should it only be used in conjunction with workouts?/

Cheers.

Barname · 18-01-2010 4:46pm

Sangre wrote: »

myprotein.co.uk has a great selection at great prices. All with analysised certificates of contents. Basically the contents are the same with the fancy branding.

Code in my sig gets you a 5% discount too.

would that be an ad? while simultaneously not answering the OP's question....

double fail

testing_times · 18-01-2010 4:57pm

Sangre, I think QVC are looking some products to fill the 3:08 -3:12 slot.

Esse85 · 18-01-2010 4:59pm

Frank Spencer wrote: »

Currently using maximuscle progain extreme but have done a bit of digging around and it seems it's useless. What would you guys recommend that would bring similar results to what it claims to give? i.e gaining size and mass.

I would suggest lots of good food, a good training regime and lots of rest. maximuscle progain extreme is not useless, its just really expensive.

Sangre · 18-01-2010 4:59pm

Frank, myprotein.co.uk has a great selection at great prices. All with analysised certificates of contents. Basically the contents are the same without the fancy branding.

Code in my sig gets you a 5% discount too.

Sangre · 18-01-2010 5:02pm

Apologies, mixed this thread up with the last post on the supplements thread. Both were referring to maximuscle. Other guy was looking for a cheaper alternative.

In answer to your question, it depends on your goals! Although, if your diet is solid you wouldn't need to take one every day.I only take whey directly after my workouts, along with a banana. So thats four times a week.

testing_times · 18-01-2010 5:21pm

Goals.
Weight loss & build muscle.
Will get to the gym 4-5 time a week.
Diet is quite good, lots of chicken, brown rice/brown pasta & plenty of fruit & veg.
So perhaps 1 shake 10-15 mins after work out rather than 3 times every day?

BigDuffman · 18-01-2010 5:24pm

+1 Esse85 Progain is a good product and a great gainer but the price tag is too hefty for moi!

Sangre · 18-01-2010 5:29pm

If you're trying to lose/maintain weight and aren't bulking up then after your workout with some fast-acting carbs should suffice.

If you're trying to lose weight you might be best sticking to whole foods as they'll fill you up more. Losing BF and gaining muslces aren't the easiest goals to reconcile.

Inspector Coptoor · 18-01-2010 6:01pm

all the stuff i ordered from my protein arrived today.
the banana cream whey is savage.

Inspector Coptoor · 18-01-2010 6:26pm

I used to feel a bit bloated from taking creatine monohydrate.
should have just drank more water.

am taking Kre Alkalyn creatine now and am finding it good.

be sure to drink 2-3 litres of water a day when taking it an you'll be fine.

the hair loss thing is BS

newby.204 · 18-01-2010 6:36pm

(this is also posted in supps thread but nobody answered me)

sorry to go OT, but i'm currently on nutrisport90+(300g/dy) and Bcaa(18tabs/day) and i'm wondering if i added reflex creapure creatine to my supplements would it do any good? I'm currently doing 531Boring But Big, had to start cardio due to work. Legs aren't in great shape at the minute. Any help/advice appreciated. Not looking to go on creapure long term one or two tubs whilst my body gets used to the re-intro of cardio.

digme · 18-01-2010 6:39pm

waterford1988 wrote: »

Thinking of starting onCreatine in the next month or so. Now I have read that it causes hair loss and was wondering has anyone experienced side effects from taking creatine.

I know that you are supposed to take it for 3 months then come off it for a few months then go back on it. Are the gains from taking this stuff really worthwhile?

People usually lift weights after puberty; same goes for people who lose their hair.I doubt both are linked to one another.I'd say it's just a case of sharing the same time frame.

cardio,shoot me · 18-01-2010 8:10pm

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

all the stuff i ordered from my protein arrived today.
the banana cream whey is savage.

mine still hasnt arrived

mloc · 18-01-2010 8:24pm

newby.204 wrote: »

(this is also posted in supps thread but nobody answered me)

sorry to go OT, but i'm currently on nutrisport90+(300g/dy) and Bcaa(18tabs/day) and i'm wondering if i added reflex creapure creatine to my supplements would it do any good? I'm currently doing 531Boring But Big, had to start cardio due to work. Legs aren't in great shape at the minute. Any help/advice appreciated. Not looking to go on creapure long term one or two tubs whilst my body gets used to the re-intro of cardio.

You're taking 300g of Nutrisport a day?!

Step one before you look at anything else is getting your diet in shape; getting that much protein from whey is just excessive.

corkcomp · 18-01-2010 8:53pm

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

mine still hasnt arrived

when did you order it? i ordered stuff last week and it arrived on day three, and I live in the back end of no where !!

Hanley · 18-01-2010 11:12pm

Mellor wrote: »

What would be the point??

It's a hell of a lot easier. People who are busy during the day probably dont have time to spend 10-15 minutes eating between breakfast and lunch, and lunch and dinner. A quick protein shake solves that problem.

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

all the stuff i ordered from my protein arrived today.
the banana cream whey is savage.

The taste is absolutely amazing eh?

PTH2009 · 18-01-2010 11:24pm

Whats the best muscle buliding supplements to start off with. ??

Id be looking for one to help tone your body and build muscle. tryed to get a trial with something called Ultimate Acai Max but would not accept my card details.

itsallaboutheL · 18-01-2010 11:30pm

i've had the same tub of protein since june

I hate all of ye!!

EileenG · 18-01-2010 11:32pm

Count yourself lucky. All those acai berry things are a scam. If you want acai berries buy them in your local health food shop, which won't make any claims for weight loss/gain/detox etc.

Best supps: a good multi, fish oil, a cal/mag.

Optional but useful: Whey and creatine.

Everything else is frills. If you are bulking, just eat lots of good quality food and lift hard.

Doug Cartel · 18-01-2010 11:54pm

Remember, they're called supplements because they're supplemental to a balanced diet and getting proper exercise. Sort all that stuff out before you get carried away with all those pills and potions.

Frank Spencer · 19-01-2010 1:56am

Sangre wrote: »

Frank, myprotein.co.uk has a great selection at great prices. All with analysised certificates of contents. Basically the contents are the same without the fancy branding.

Code in my sig gets you a 5% discount too.

Sangre wrote: »

Apologies, mixed this thread up with the last post on the supplements thread. Both were referring to maximuscle. Other guy was looking for a cheaper alternative.

In answer to your question, it depends on your goals! Although, if your diet is solid you wouldn't need to take one every day.I only take whey directly after my workouts, along with a banana. So thats four times a week.

Cool! Could you suggest something that would be similar to what I am taking at the moment. What is this website's equivalent?

chrussell · 19-01-2010 2:20am

ok lads I'm going to sound like abit of a goon here, but I don't understand any of this stuff. I'm training for a marathon and want to take something that will help with that and I'm also looking to shed a few pounds. As well as allot of cardio I do my fair share of upper body toning, but at the momenth I've got some "love handles" and abit of a belly, I wouldn't consider myself fat, I have an atheltic build that just needs to be tightened up alittle (few too many pints).

What would be good to help with my cardio and toning, I'm looking to try and have a flat tummy for the summer... any help will really be appreciated!!

jokerrus · 19-01-2010 5:20pm

Hey guys,
I bought Maximuscle Thermobol like 2 days ago and started taking them. Couldnt sleep at all the first night cause theres a lot of green tea and caffeine in it and i dont drink either tea or coffee or even coke.
I want to continue taking them cause i really want to lose some weight but might need some advice as to when to take them.
It said on the container 3 times a day. Would that be too much for me?
I'm like 5 foot and weigh 8 stone.
Have anyone tried it and did it work ?
Is there any other side effects other than effed up sleeping pattern and increase in heart rate? It should be reasonably safe yes?

aphex™ · 19-01-2010 5:24pm

I would just take them before you head out to the gym- maybe 30 mins beforehand, help you work up a sweat. Try not to take them after 3pm I think.

I would only take say two before the gym and that's the only time I would use them personally. I take two CLA at the same time myself.

Not sure if it's reasonably safe- you seem to be aware of the heart issue. As always consult a doctor I suppose. I'm sure some of the other guys on this forum will have some input as well.

podge57 · 19-01-2010 5:30pm

Its basically an appetite supressant, its not going to make you lose weight, just make you less hungry.

The cons far outweigh the benefits, you would be much better sorting your diet and exercise out.

I am also fairly sure it is classified as an "illegal substance" by the IMB

JohnnyRandom · 19-01-2010 7:52pm

Hi has anyone here heard of acai? I've been hearing loads lately and read some material about UFC fighters taking it etc etc jus I seen some irish crowd nadur products are doing it now but what I was wondering was is there any point in taking it? like they talk it up but is it actually any good? Thanks in advance

Doug Cartel · 19-01-2010 7:59pm

JohnnyRandom wrote: »

Hi has anyone here heard of acai? I've been hearing loads lately and read some material about UFC fighters taking it etc etc jus I seen some irish crowd nadur products are doing it now but what I was wondering was is there any point in taking it? like they talk it up but is it actually any good? Thanks in advance

It's a fruit, and I'm sure it's very healthy, but the quick-fix miracle cure crowd seem to have latched on to it as their new wonder product.

Try it out, but don't go spending a fortune on it, and don't neglect to get a proper varied diet with plenty of other fruit and vegetables.

djk1000 · 19-01-2010 8:09pm

JohnnyRandom wrote: »

Hi has anyone here heard of acai? I've been hearing loads lately and read some material about UFC fighters taking it etc etc jus I seen some irish crowd nadur products are doing it now but what I was wondering was is there any point in taking it? like they talk it up but is it actually any good? Thanks in advance

This is from Wikipedia,

As a dietary supplement

Recently, the açaí berry has been marketed as a dietary supplement. Companies sell açaí berry products in the form of tablets, juice, smoothies, instant drink powders, and whole fruit.

Marketers of these products, such as Monarch Health Sciences, parent company of MonaVie, make claims that açaí provides increased energy levels, improved sexual performance, improved digestion, detoxification, high fiber content, improved skin appearance, improved heart health, improved sleep, and reduction of cholesterol levels. Quackwatch noted that "açai juice has only middling levels of antioxidants—less than that of Concord grape, blueberry, and black cherry juices, but more than cranberry, orange, and apple juices." Furthermore, the extent to which antioxidants by themselves promote health is a matter of some debate. No credible evidence suggests antioxidants promote weight loss.[6] According to the Washington, D.C. based Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) thousands of consumers have had trouble stopping recurrent charges on their credit cards when they cancel free trials of açai-based products.[7][8] Even web sites purporting to warn about açai-related scams are themselves perpetrating scams.[6] Apparently false claims include reversal of diabetes and other chronic illnesses, as well as expanding size of the penis and increasing men's sexual virility and sexual attractiveness to women.[9]

As of March 2009, there are no scientifically controlled studies backing up any of these claims. According to ABC News correspondent Susan Donaldson, these products have not been evaluated (in the United States) by the FDA, and their efficacy is questionable.[10] In late 2008, lawyers for The Oprah Winfrey Show began investigating alleged statements from supplement manufacturers who suggested that frequent Oprah guest Dr. Mehmet Oz had recommended their product or açai in general for weight loss.

newby.204 · 19-01-2010 8:53pm

mloc wrote: »

You're taking 300g of Nutrisport a day?!

Step one before you look at anything else is getting your diet in shape; getting that much protein from whey is just excessive.

its only three shakes, i have four meals a day along with that it say two scoops per shake so thats what i do

itsallaboutheL · 19-01-2010 9:03pm

newby.204 wrote: »

its only three shakes, i have four meals a day along with that it say two scoops per shake so thats what i do

Thats is an atrocious waste of money imo.

mloc · 19-01-2010 9:19pm

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Thats is an atrocious waste of money imo.

It's a hilariously unneccesary amount of protein. 6 50g scoops? That's over 2kg a week!

I can't see any realistic situation where a normal person would need even a third of that.

newby.204 · 19-01-2010 9:32pm

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Thats is an atrocious waste of money imo.

mloc wrote:

It's a hilariously unneccesary amount of protein. 6 50g scoops? That's over 2kg a week!

I can't see any realistic situation where a normal person would need even a third of that.

i weigh 97kg(thats 213lbs) 2g of protein per pond of body weight is 426g. The shakes gives me 270g, and the four meals make up the difference, now i have no problem with criticism and im all for getting the most out of my diet/supps so if im off with my maths or 2g per pound is unneccessary then ill change my regimen

cardio,shoot me · 19-01-2010 10:06pm

its supposed to be 2g of protein per kilo of bw iirc or 1g per lb of bodyweight.

keezer · 19-01-2010 10:27pm

Whats the discount code for my protien, new to supplements and going ordering some whey protien. Any suggestions to which is the best

The Guvnor · 19-01-2010 10:34pm

2g per lb is common amongst bodybuilders some even go for more.

I'm looking to get back to increasing my protein intake and tbh getting a 100g extra per day from shakes will be very helpful.

I'm only aiming for about 1.5g per lb at the start so about 400-420g. Not a chance in hell of that from food.

I will say that at 300g per day you are up there on the shakes, not many would take much more than this IME.

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