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Swifts need our help

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    two days ago I thought swifts had gone and were on their way back to Africa.

    This morning about 20 were back doing the rounds




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    I'm being interviewed today around 2pm on LMFM. I'll be on Gerry Kelly's programme. http://www.lmfm.ie/

    The subject will be bird migration on which I'm not an expert but hopefully I can swing it around to swifts

    Mark
    N Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Bumping this up to the top

    Anyone interested in doing something for swifts this year?

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Wouldn't mind actually but I'm in a bungalow with no gables so I'm not sure where I could place a box other than the chimney ?

    I see the odd swift passing the house during the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    a chimney would be ok if the clearence below is 3 to 4m and clutter free


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    a chimney would be ok if the clearence below is 3 to 4m and clutter free

    The chimney itself is only about 1m proud of the roof but of course it's a good 20 feet or so from ground level.

    That good enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    yes that's plenty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    The first swifts due back in Ireland in a week to 10 days and in three weeks they should be a common site again.

    Is anyone going to help them this year by putting up nest boxes?

    Mark
    http://saveourswifts.co.uk/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Traonach


    I was late putting my nest box last year so unfortunately didn't get any nesting swifts. This year I'm ready. I'll be blasting out my tape lure at dawn from mid- may. I've trimmed the whitethorn hedge underneath the nest-box ( a normally sacrilegious act for me). Hopefully I will be lucky this year.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Good luck for this year

    You have a great location - sounds great

    Location: A field of nettles, yellow iris, cowparsley


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Traonach wrote: »
    I was late putting my nest box last year so unfortunately didn't get any nesting swifts. This year I'm ready. I'll be blasting out my tape lure at dawn from mid- may. I've trimmed the whitethorn hedge underneath the nest-box ( a normally sacrilegious act for me). Hopefully I will be lucky this year.

    Can I ask what kit you will be using to 'blast' the lure please ?

    ( I have yet to put mine up - time is a killer - hopefully next Friday/Sat )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Traonach


    E39MSport wrote: »
    Can I ask what kit you will be using to 'blast' the lure please ?

    ( I have yet to put mine up - time is a killer - hopefully next Friday/Sat )
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    Attached on a small pulley to the nest box.
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    Pull up the speaker to beside nest box. Bought some cheap extension cable to attach onto the CD player which is in the house. Play the CD at maximum sound without distortion.
    Mark (Save our Swifts) has a neater set-up than mine, I'm sure he'll post it up.

    Don't put your speaker on the ground. I made that mistake last year. A swift heard the lure and was flying around the house looking for the nest site. I'm sure he would have found it if the speaker was beside the nest box. By the time I sorted out the pulley it was too late in the season.

    One of the main nest sites in my town have been destroyed, so hopefully they can find my place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    I use a car speaker to play the CD lure

    First cuckoo reported in the south - sorry cant remember where

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭jmkennedyie


    The first swifts due back in Ireland in a week to 10 days and in three weeks they should be a common site again.

    Is anyone going to help them this year by putting up nest boxes?

    Mark
    http://saveourswifts.co.uk/

    Hey Mark, yep, have constructed box with 5 nests. To be installed behind louvres (wooden slats?) in an old church tower within the week. One swift pair has nested in eaves of the main part of the building in previous years. Although not ideal, looks like I will have to install on South facing 'window'.

    Some questions, sorry if you have already answered them:
    • Any recommendations on the nest bowl to put into each box?
    • Would swifts fly / shuffle up louvres to the nest box entrance hole? The louvres are about 17 cm long. 3 to 4 cm vertical gap between them so concerned a bit of a tight squeeze. Some louvres are missing, so I plan to use one of these gaps to have clear 10 cm space for three of the nest box entrances. Not ideal but removing any of remaining slats may not be allowed.
    • I presume bit of plywood etc. to blank off slats with no nestbox behind them would be useful. Plywood to be hung on the internal side of the louvres of course.
    • Any recommendations on which CD to use? There seem to be a few options out there.

    Thanks a mill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    I wonder if the moderator will reinstate the swift thread?
    well done on your five boxes

    Any recommendations on the nest bowl to put into each box?
    The nesting hollow/concave will speed up the breeding success once birds move in. It should be positioned at the end opposite the entrance. They will lay their eggs in the hollow and make their nest around the eggs. These are available from most good petshops. They are called budgie concaves. My local pet shop sells them for £1.

    Would swifts fly / shuffle up louvres to the nest box entrance hole?
    They will probably fly in and land close to or in to the hole. The hole should sit at the top edge of the louvre. This will give the swifts a landing area if needed. The nest entrance should be 30x65mm. This keeps out starlings but not sparrows or tits

    I presume bit of plywood etc. to blank off slats with no nestbox behind them would be useful. Plywood to be hung on the internal side of the louvres of course. Yes that OK.

    Any recommendations on which CD to use?
    The CD can be bought from Swift Conservation for £5
    http://www.swift-conservation.org/Shopping!.htm
    Ideally the CD should be played all day. I still do. If that cant be done and you have time play it from dawn, lunch, 6ish and late evening for a couple of hours. If that isnt easy then select dawn/early morning up to 10am and last few hours of daylight

    Action for Swifts is making A Box of Swifts which does away with the need of a CD player
    http://actionforswifts.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/box-of-swifts.html#more

    Good luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    I meant to ask what town and county this is taking place in? Please take a series of photos to show how you did everything

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭jmkennedyie


    Thanks for all that...Co. Kildare...will PM you the details. Will post pics when done. Cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Swifts are very early in England this year. At the weekend 30 were seen over Chew Valley Lake which is south of Bristol. They could also be in the south east counties. Keep a look out around large lakes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Copied this interesting letter from local newspaper.The SouthernStar.
    Delighted to see Swift boxes

    at Bantry church and school.

    SIR – Whilst travelling
    through Bantry town with my
    family recently, I was greatly
    surprised and delighted to see
    that swift boxes (nest boxes
    designed for swifts) have recently
    been erected under the
    eaves of the St Brendan’s
    Church of Ireland in the town
    square. As a keen naturalist
    and a former wildlife scientist
    with the Mammals and Birds
    Unit at the former Ministry Of
    Agriculture in England, this
    is of great interest and encouragement
    to me.
    The swift, a bird somewhat
    like the swallow in shape and
    form but rather bigger and a
    more powerful flyer, once a
    fairly common bird in my
    youth, due to the increased
    building activities of man
    causing the removal and destruction
    of the ancient buildings
    that provided suitable
    nest sites and replaced by
    modern ones unsuitable for
    nesting, all the little crevices
    they used are no longer in existence
    and being deprived of
    these sites they have declined
    dramatically in number in recent
    decades, sufficient to say
    that now they are on the Irish
    and European Protected
    Species List and therefore are
    in tremendous need of protection
    and conservation
    wherever they are to be found,
    and of active encouragement
    to recolonise areas in which
    they have been lost.
    Swifts spend all their lives
    on the wing, they eat, sleep
    and even mate on the wing.
    Contrary to popular belief
    swifts do not foul the area beneath
    and around their nests,
    and they do not seek to enter
    in to or nest inside buildings,
    preferring instead direct access
    outside under the roof of
    the chosen building.
    Curious as to who had been
    responsible for theswift boxes
    in Bantry and to how and why
    they came to be erected there,
    I made a few enquiries and
    found out that not only had
    they had been erected on St
    Brendan’s Church, itself but
    also on the Church of Ireland
    School, and also that a webcam
    is to be erected in one of
    the nest boxes at the school
    connected to the Internet so
    that the children of the school
    and people all over Ireland
    and the world can access the
    activity live in the nest.
    Warm and grateful thanks
    are extended the Church of
    Ireland for the use of their
    premises and for their wholehearted
    support in embracing
    the principle that the Lord has
    given us that we are the stewards
    of God’s creatures, He
    commands us that we both
    care for and protect them.
    Grateful thanks also to the
    people of Bantry town for
    their open and wholehearted
    support of this project which
    may well be the first of its kind
    in Ireland, and also to Bantry
    Tidy Towns who are ever striving
    to promote and further
    the cause of wildlife in our
    beautiful locality, hoping that
    this gets them extra marks in
    the tidy towns competition
    The purpose of my letter is to
    convey my congratulations
    and gratitude to those folk involved
    for making an effort to
    protect and encourage what
    is a truly magnificent rare
    bird, and to encourage anybody
    and everybody who has a
    suitable site where these swift
    boxes can be erected and accommodated
    to do so, maybe
    other towns will be encouraged
    to consider such a project
    in their own towns.
    Yours faithfully,
    SJ Penney,
    Rooska, Bantry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    wow fantastic. I must contact them to ask if they are using the attraction CD


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Traonach


    Brillant stuff by the Church of Ireland lads in Bantry:) Hopefully other churchs could do likewise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Does anyone live close to Bantry? These people need wider publicity and links to there web cam

    I'd like to know more about nest box type, how many etc but 330 miles is too far to go for a look myself. Maybe they have a web site of their own?

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    They not using a caller C.D as there are Swifts using both the Church and the school for nesting for years, but there are only a few places on both buildings suitable for nesting.There are four nestboxes on the Church and two on the school for this year to see how things go. The camera is not going to be fitted this year as its not known which box will be used if any.The nest boxes were bought on line.Its a local fellow thats doing it with the blessing of the Canon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Crumlin Antrim


    Great to hear of the swift boxes being erected in Bantry.We now have swift boxes from Bantry to Ballycastle.I know Bantry very well having spent many summers there in the fifties ,my father was from Skibbereen and i still have cousins living in Bantry.
    I wonder if the swift colony still exists at the Eccles Hotel in Glengariff.
    We in Northern Ireland are also doing our best for swifts ,you may have read the article i wrote for Bird Watch Ireland Wings ,you are not alone there are now swift boxes in Tubbbercurry Co Sligo, in Castlebar ,at Johnstown Castle Co Wexford and other locations in the midlands and the south.
    We are now erecting swift towers here and mini swift towers for gardens like the purple martin houses in Nr America.
    At my house in Crumlin Co Antrim i have twenty four breeding pairs and other members of the Northern Ireland Swift Group have large colonies in Antrim and Belfast ,one of our members was responsible for saving probably the largest colony in Nr Ireland .Keep up the fantastic work.
    Brian Cahalane. Crumlin Co Antrim.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭thebishop


    Yea there is still Swifts in the Eccles Hotel, usualy arrive on the 5th or 6th of May. There are a couple of pairs that nest in the Church in Glengarriff too.Theres a pair that nest in a house in bantry which is a very low nest site,its only about 10 ft high.Hope it never gets a PVC facia fitted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Crumlin Antrim


    Eould it be possible to know who has done the fantastic work in Bantry as i would like to discuss a few common factors with them.
    Brian Cahalane Save our Swifts Group.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LostCovey


    Eould it be possible to know who has done the fantastic work in Bantry as i would like to discuss a few common factors with them.
    Brian Cahalane Save our Swifts Group.

    The brilliant thing about the Swift initiatives is that people are doing something tangible and immediate about the issue, and spending their time and resources on the actual projects, not on vanity websites.

    Great work, hope your success continues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Traonach


    LostCovey wrote: »
    The brilliant thing about the Swift initiatives is that people are doing something tangible and immediate about the issue, and spending their time and resources on the actual projects, not on vanity websites.

    Great work, hope your success continues.
    x2
    They certainly get their message out. I was in a bird hide in Loch Garten Scotland last year and what was on the main message board in the hide, only the Save our Swifts project details.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    That would be from Concern for Swifts, Scotland www.concernforswifts.com/

    Mark


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Crumlin Antrim


    Swifts are back in numbers saw about 100 feeding yesterday at lough neagh, about ten back at my colony ,first on the 25th two boxes have both pairs back which is quite early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭jmkennedyie


    Thanks to Mark for his earlier advice.

    Happy to report 5 swift boxes were opened for business in the tower of the Abbey in Clane last weekend. See 'Saving Clane Swifts' article here for more pics and details: http://clanecommunity.ie/

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Is that wood stain rather than protim on the boxes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    well done to all who were involved! Great to see you, and a few others, are leading the way in Ireland

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭jmkennedyie


    Is that wood stain rather than protim on the boxes?

    It's just a water based woodstain. Ronseal I think. There's the odd drip inside the tower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Here's my swift spying set up.

    16 swift nest box cameras can be watched and recorded in real time. The system can be set up to record when a bird moves in a nest box.

    Some of the cameras need to be levelled because I moved them while attaching camera cables


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    what do swifts eat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    what do swifts eat?

    I'm sure it varies a bit from location to location but it's insects ranging in size from a few mm up to honey bees and hoverflies.

    A couple of years back I sent droppings from my swift chicks to be analysed for insect remains. The results were
    Chironomids 25.7% - non biting midges e.g. Lough Neagh fly
    Aphids 18.0% - greenfly, blackfly
    Psyllids 11.6% - sap sucking insects
    Lonchoptera 11.5% - small spear-winged flies
    Coleoptera 11.1% - water beetles
    Phoridae 0.8% - hump-backed flies (resembling fruit flies)
    Sciaridae 0.7% - fungus gnats
    Dolichopodidae 0.4% - long-legged flies
    Muscids / Calliphorids 0.4% - house / stable / blow flies
    Scathophagidae 0.3% - dung flies
    Hemiptera 2.1% - bugs
    Tipulid 0.1% - craneflies

    with traces of
    Hymenoptera - small solitary wasps
    Coccinellidae - 11 spot ladybird


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭cubix


    Was looking at house martin nest cups today with the view to ordering some. Will house martins and swifts live side by side under the eves of a house. Also
    how noisey are they at night as I was thinking of putting them under the eves at the front of the house N/East above the kids bedrooms. Also are swifts more/less/ the same with regards to the mess they make on the ground below there nest box.

    I think I read on here somewhere, that someone had noticed lots bird boxes (bluetit/sparrow type) in trees in radom places miles from anywhere and it turned out the goverment/Eu gave grants to farmers ect to put them up. Is there anything like this for swifts/housemartins etc.

    Is there any groups in Dublin organising erection (FOC) of swift boxes for people that are willing to have them. Another words they buy the boxes but dont have the means (ladder/man power) to get them up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Cubix, swifts make very little or no mess and recycle most of their chicks droppings. They are silent at night.

    I've heard house martins twittering softly at night especially when they have chicks.

    Mark


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭cubix


    Thanks;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭secman


    We had a mud nest in the apex of our roof last summer, the amount of bird **** was unbelievable. a light fitting on the wall about 2 feet under the nest was caked in inches of bird ****. It took me ages to clean it with a power washer. The pathway under the nest was constantly covered in bird **** and I had to park my car elsewhere, fed up washing the bird **** off it. The mooto of the story , they are lovely on someone else's house !


    Secman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Secman send your house martins my way. Mine failed to return several years ago. No real mess at my house when they were here because I cleaned it away daily


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    This evening around 6pm the first of my swifts arrived in its nest box

    Mark
    N Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    At 21.11 and 21.26 another two arrived home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Good numbers of swifts in my area now.

    In my boxes I now have two pairs and two singles. On average the swifts are 4.8 days late

    Mark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    Are you trying to attract swifts? It's now time to play your CD lure to attract breeding age swifts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Traonach


    CD lure playing as we speak:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭swifts need our help!


    brilliant!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    I'll have to wait until next weekend


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