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The super duper retro gaming review thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Excellent
    I was thinking about setting up something like this

    But i would like to see a Text based review as well as vid

    We could also compare the scores from Mag reviews of the time to how the game has aged as well

    E.g Boulder Dash scores 92% in 1984

    In 2011 it scores 108%:D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Halo:

    Gaylo

    Rating: 2%

    Goldeneye:

    Pinkeye

    Rating: 2.5%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Guys there is a civil war going on in Libiya at the mo

    Lets not start one here:D

    But i agree Halo is ****


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Boulderdash:

    Shitsandwich

    Sorry couldn't help it :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭James Howlett


    This might die a horrible death , but a thread geared towards retro reviews?
    Either ones we've knocked up , or funny/good found ones

    This could make for interesting reading, good idea man.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Boulderdash:

    Sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]tsandwich

    Sorry couldn't help it :P

    While I always appreciate Spinal Tap references, Boulderdash puns are a dime a dozen.

    Bouldergash, Boulderrash, Bouldershat...

    And of course the simplest and most effective: Balderdash! The latter is most effective when your monocle falls off.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    Lou lally lou lets play! I'll be giving out special prizes for anyone going on about Halo or Goldeneye for at least another ohhh six months or so.

    I have to say I enjoyed your reviews. Outrun is an arcade game I'd played a lot back in the day along with Power Drift in Dublin Airport. I'd forgotten how useless some of the conversions from U.S Gold had been and hadn't even seen the Amstrad version. Why not do an arcade version review just to complete the set?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    LoGiE wrote: »
    Lou lally lou lets play! I'll be giving out special prizes for anyone going on about Halo or Goldeneye for at least another ohhh six months or so.

    I have to say I enjoyed your reviews. Outrun is an arcade game I'd played a lot back in the day along with Power Drift in Dublin Airport. I'd forgotten how useless some of the conversions from U.S Gold had been and hadn't even seen the Amstrad version. Why not do an arcade version review just to complete the set?
    LoGiE wrote: »
    Lou lally lou lets play! I'll be giving out special prizes for anyone going on about Halo or Goldeneye for at least another ohhh six months or so.

    I have to say I enjoyed your reviews. Outrun is an arcade game I'd played a lot back in the day along with Power Drift in Dublin Airport. I'd forgotten how useless some of the conversions from U.S Gold had been and hadn't even seen the Amstrad version. Why not do an arcade version review just to complete the set?
    Cheers! As for the Arcade version ..I actually am doing it in a little while!
    I've a PS2 wheel hooked up to a laptop (with TV) running MAME , which short of building a cockpit and getting my missus and daughter to move it when I steer is as close as I can get to the real thing!.
    I want to do one or two smaller reviews , then put the arcade review up.
    I'm looking at the conversions of Gauntlet next which means getting it for
    Atari 8 bit/c64/spectrum/NES/Amstrad/Atari st/SMS/Meg
    (I've about half them so far..)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    You're being really thorough with reviewing every version of the game. Have you thought about writing them up for HG101? I'm sure they'd love a submission like that and they usually require you to be thorough with the playing and reviewing all the ports which you seem to have been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Game:Cavern Fighter
    Format:Zx Spectrum
    Released:1983 By Bug Byte Software

    Price: £5.95 on release (Can be found now on Ebay for around the same)



    One of the early shmups and one of the first games i owned for the speccy.Conversion of the Arcade game Scramble which was a classic game.

    Simple game blast the crap out of anything that moves and pick up fuel by shooting the fuel pods and make sure you dont smash into the walls

    Its quite a tricky little game that as you will see in the vid i need a bit more practice on.I found myself playing this through 3 cups of coffee so it still has a bit to offer in competition with todays Shmups e.g Chou Aniki R Type Etc

    Well worth a play and id suggest finding it on an emulator

    Crash Score 1983: 92%

    Score 2011: 78%




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,630 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Retr0 can do a review of the various versions of Cho Aniki and what he likes to wear when playing.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    I'd like to start doing reviews and things, maybe I'll do a review of something...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Pyongyang


    Definitely going to do some reviews too. Soon as I can figure out how to get a good recording of the PSP I'll do Darius Burst (once it's arrived).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Pimping my crappy blog but put up my thoughts on Dragon Quest 1. Currently doing one on goldeneye to be controversial :P

    http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/dragon-quest.html


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    My thoughts on my recent play through of goldeneye. I've tried to be objective but don't expect a glowing review:

    http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/goldeneye-n64.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭Azure_sky


    Great work, Luas. It would be interesting if you did a comparison on the different ports of SFII. I've been thinking of doing a retro review blog, like Retro Gamer has, for some time now.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Just go for it, couldn't be easier to set one up and I'm sure people here such as myself will follow it. I've gotten hits from famicomblog which is weird. Mostly it's people leeching my thief and actraiser screenshots on google though :)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    Huzzah! Its another review!
    Today Xybots

    I'm probably going to do a few standalone ones as I'm planning a big change in the format of the multiformat reviews, (you'll see what I mean in a week or two)
    (oh yeah thanks for that , SFII is a good choice , so I've added it to "the list" although theres a lot to get through first)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    My thoughts on my recent play through of goldeneye all games except Mother3. I've tried to be objective but don't expect glowing reviews:

    Aged badly
    Horrible textures
    Bad antialiasing
    Horrible mipmapping
    Desperate anisoptric filtering
    Appaling physics
    Colour depth all wrong
    Audio compression too high, resulting in less than studio quality sounds
    And thats basically it


    Fyp :p


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 5,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Optimus Prime


    Huzzah! Its another review!
    Today Xybots

    Plus a Xybots unboxing! :)


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Fyp :p

    You forgot the important one, shitty gameplay for goldeneye.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    You forgot the important one, shitty gameplay for goldeneye.

    Again :D

    Goldeneye hasn't aged terribly, in fact no game 'ages' really. It's our perception that changes & our expectations, & no game, at least very few, can stand up against those odds :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Go play it then and tell me in all honesty it hasn't aged badly and that it's not as good as you remembered. All that matters is that when I played it recently it wasn't much fun. However if I go back and play something like Doom 2 it'll be far more enjoyable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Go play it then and tell me in all honesty it hasn't aged badly and that it's not as good as you remembered. All that matters is that when I played it recently it wasn't much fun. However if I go back and play something like Doom 2 it'll be far more enjoyable.

    Oh I agree don't get me wrong, last time I played Goldneye was a long time ago & I'm not exactly in a hurry to go back and play it. I enjoyed it at the time & for that I'll remember it.

    I just don't buy into the mentality that video games are organic, biological things that change & evolve over time. All games from Pong to Crysis 2 are computer programmes, Goldeneye looks exactly the same today as it did in the mid 90's. Its a piece of digital software, & it'll look the exact same in 2050 as it does today. Absolutely nothing about the game, nor its code, has 'aged' in that sense. What has changed, is our perception of the game, & our expectations of it...& in fact every other game too. Some games are so well designed, that they're never affected by the passage of time, or are well protected against it. Others, like Goldeneye just arn't.

    Goldeneye looks like pants today, plays like pants, & in fact is pants today...but thats today, what actually matters is that when it was released, it provided a psuedo pc'esque multiplayer experience to those not fortunate enough to have pc's such as myself. I don't think it was ever expected to stand the test of time, it provided fun...& for that, I can't fault it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Well that's more the games legacy and I did go into that and can't deny what it did and it's innovations for FPS games and console FPS games. Still I think it's worthwhile commenting on how the games hold up, it shows how far gaming has come. I think it's better to comment on this rather than to be like those people that still believe Goldeneye holds up as one of the best FPS games ever. As much as I give out about Halo I can still go back to that game and play it and have loads of fun. Well until the Library level at least :P I can't really say that about goldeneye.

    Also about graphics aging, if there's one thing I hate it's a crap art style. If you have a crap art style once the technology moves on your game is going to look like ass. If you've good art that works around the limitations of the hardware then the game should look great forever. Goldeneye really has terrible art (as do most games that go for a realistic setting). If a game's got **** art then I'm not going to let it get away with it. Even though Goldeneye is impressive technologically for an N64 game (I did give it credit here) it's a terrible looking game in the art department.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    2007 called, it wants its topic back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    2007 called, it wants its topic back.

    New York called, it wants you back :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Well that's more the games legacy and I did go into that and can't deny what it did and it's innovations for FPS games and console FPS games. Still I think it's worthwhile commenting on how the games hold up, it shows how far gaming has come. I think it's better to comment on this rather than to be like those people that still believe Goldeneye holds up as one of the best FPS games ever. As much as I give out about Halo I can still go back to that game and play it and have loads of fun. Well until the Library level at least :P I can't really say that about goldeneye.

    Also about graphics aging, if there's one thing I hate it's a crap art style. If you have a crap art style once the technology moves on your game is going to look like ass. If you've good art that works around the limitations of the hardware then the game should look great forever. Goldeneye really has terrible art (as do most games that go for a realistic setting). If a game's got **** art then I'm not going to let it get away with it. Even though Goldeneye is impressive technologically for an N64 game (I did give it credit here) it's a terrible looking game in the art department.

    Agreed there is merit in looking upon how a game has stood the test of time thats true. What I find hard to understand is that people seem to describe the game(s) as ageing in the traditional sense, when in reality games only become 'aged' because something better comes along.

    Legend Of Dragoon...now that's timeless.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Well if there's a better term than aging then I'll use it. Dated maybe?

    As for legend of dragoon it really is timeless. It's just as **** as it's ever been.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Well if there's a better term than aging then I'll use it. Dated maybe?

    As for legend of dragoon it really is timeless. It's just as **** as it's ever been.

    I think aging is fine, I suppose it is a test of time after all. Nitpicking is all, but you know what I mean. Just irks me when people seem to see that game itself has somehow changed over the passage of time...as in time has actually affected the 1's & 0's of the code :rolleyes::)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    Back on topic please. I enjoyed your review Retr0 you make some good points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    LoGiE wrote: »
    Back on topic please.

    Normally I'd never argue a mod instruction, but isn't the topic
    This might die a horrible death , but a thread geared towards retro reviews?

    And myself & Retr0 are discussing his Goldeneye review, primarily focusing on the whole description of how its aged? I'm not trying to be smart/callous here don't get me wrong...but to my knowledge we wern't exactly off topic.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Normally I'd never argue a mod instruction, but isn't the topic



    And myself & Retr0 are discussing his Goldeneye review, primarily focusing on the whole description of how its aged? I'm not trying to be smart/callous here don't get me wrong...but to my knowledge we wern't exactly off topic.

    Prehaps I should have said I don't want to read a page of posts arguing about Goldeneye. We've been down that road before. If you disagree with Retr0 why not write your own review and post it here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    LoGiE wrote: »
    Prehaps I should have said I don't want to read a page of posts arguing about Goldeneye. We've been down that road before. If you disagree with Retr0 why not write your own review and post it here?

    If anyone's been down that road, its Retr0 & myself so I know what you mean :o If I may ask though, is the thread to facilitate dicussion on said reviews, or simply review links?

    Edit - Apologies to LoGiE, I really should be voicing my queries by pm, slap slap EnterNow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭pdbhp


    LoGiE wrote: »
    Prehaps I should have said I don't want to read a page of posts arguing about Goldeneye. We've been down that road before. If you disagree with Retr0 why not write your own review and post it here?

    Genius!!
    Write a review for Goldeneye then we can get a good laugh comparing the 2 reviews.

    I'd do a review of Goldeneye but the visuals would make me vomit on my keyboard..






    Paperboy FTW!!!!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    EnterNow wrote: »
    If anyone's been down that road, its Retr0 & myself so I know what you mean :o If I may ask though, is the thread to facilitate dicussion on said reviews, or simply review links?

    Yeah this discussion has been kind of sedate compared to usual and I'd hardly call it argung since we both seem to be agree with each other? I don't mind people discussing my reviews at all. It gives me feedback and sure I'd rather they got discussed even if people disagree with me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Yeah this discussion has been kind of sedate compared to usual and I'd hardly call it argung since we both seem to be agree with each other?

    Second tremor in the force in two days....we're gonna have to get back to arguing before the laws of causality break down.

    Now before LoGiE permabans me, I shall take my leave of this thread & allow it to get back on topic :)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Huzzah! Its another review!
    Today Xybots

    Cool video luas, cheers for taking the time to do it.

    If I can be picky I thought it would have been useful just to briefly mention what the aim of the game is just for folk who hadn't played it before, maybe I'm the only one in that bracket though! :o Nice and informative it was too, you mentioned the colours on his back to show health - Dead Space used something similar if I recall correctly. Looks like a cool game, must give it a bash on mame too.

    A general thanks to all for doing these reviews, it's cool when it brings a game to your attention that you haven't played before.

    Now to build up the courage to read Retr0's Goldeneye review without punching the screen. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Andrew76 wrote: »
    Now to build up the courage to read Retr0's Goldeneye review without punching the screen. :D

    Sorry man I can't quite make your post out...there's a huge crack in my tv right across the text :D


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 2,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭LoGiE


    I would prefer if the discussion stuck to reviewing techniques, video and written reviews from members and suggestions for reviews. Feedback on individual reviews (Style, layout, etc) is welcome however should someone disagree strongly with a review then they should write their own review rather then posting a rebuttal in this thread. :pac:


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That Xybots review has me interested in a lynx now. Looks like a great game. Never seen the original in motion, it looks amazing for its time. I wonder if the programmers could have gotten the scrolling smoother by using a raytraced engine like wolfenstein. The lynx was capable of it since it could scale and rotate images with little performance penalty and the alien vs. predator beta that is floating around shows that it was possible to do an FPS in the vein of wolfenstein 3D.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    LoGiE wrote: »
    Feedback on individual reviews (Style, layout, etc)

    And no one mentioned how awesome by new blog header is :( Just ignore the ign logo in one of the screenshots :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    LoGiE wrote: »
    I would prefer if the discussion stuck to reviewing techniques, video and written reviews from members and suggestions for reviews. Feedback on individual reviews (Style, layout, etc) is welcome however should someone disagree strongly with a review then they should write their own review rather then posting a rebuttal in this thread. :pac:

    Thanks, at least that clarifies expectations of the thread. I genuinely was agreeing with Retr0 though (shock horror), but your right I suppose the finer details should be left for another thread :) Apologies


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Pimping my crappy blog but put up my thoughts on Dragon Quest 1. Currently doing one on goldeneye to be controversial :P

    http://lifein16bit.blogspot.com/2011/08/dragon-quest.html

    Ok here goes, deep breath.....

    Your review wasn't too bad at all actually. Some points you raised brought back fond memories of the game like the hit boxes and being able to shoot guns out of hands. I think you're probably spot on about the hit and miss level design too.

    I didn't think it was accurate to compare character models or interiors to games like Mario or Starfox. Goldeneye was meant to put you in real world locations, that's apples and oranges when compared to cartoony or sci-fi settings. I'm not sure how you can spice up an underground bunker anyway. :pac:

    There seemed to be a theme of comparison to pc based shooters or more modern console ones but I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not? Overall a good article, fairly balanced. Thanks for doing it! Oh and nice little article on the PAL N64 av issues.


    P.S. Your new blog header was the first thing I noticed along with the VB pimping. Looks good. Would it be possible to have each game name appear when you mouse over each one? Mainly for the more obscure ones. :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Glad you thought it was balanced, it's what I was aiming for and cut out my usual hyperbole :)

    I suppose it's not fair to compare a stylised game with one that isn't. I still don't think the art design is all that good though. One part I just thought about where I don't give the game credit is the incidental details in each room, stuff like the science equipment in the labs etc., that gave them a lived in feel. This is something you would see in build engine games like Duke 3D but for a full 3D engine game Goldeneye was the first to do it and it wasn't until a year later with Half-Life that you saw these kinds of believable environments.

    As for comparing Goldeneye to PC games it wasn't deliberate it's just that there's not much to compare it to on console before Goldeneye was released. I mentioned some of the features it introduced to the FPS genre that were taken from RPG and simulation genres, genres that were at the time were almost solely confined to the PC. This isn't a slight against the game as in PC got there first, it'smore to show what Goldeneye did to spice up the FPS genre by introducing all these new elements. The mission structure was present in a few obsucre FPS games like Dark Forces and the severely underappreciated Outlaws but I found Goldeneye was a lot less linear in how you achieve these objectives and also it did this in a full 3D environment as opposed to the pseudo 3D games before it based on raycasting 2D engines.

    I don't compare goldeneye to earlier FPS games because I believe at the time that Goldeneye was the most advance FPS out there in terms of the ideas it introduced to the genre. In the same year the most advanced PC FPS was Quake 2, a game that really hadn't evolved much from Quake 1. In hindsight it was more technologically advanced as well but a much uglier game thanks to some poor art and overuse of coloured lighting. The levels were not believable in the way that Goldeneye made them. I guess I didn't give goldeneye enough credit in this regard.

    As for comparing it to later FPS games I was really trying to find out why the game is no longer playable. A few PC games tried to mimmick the goldeneye experience, most notably Sin which was decent but a week later the big game changer came along, Half-Life which really overnight changed the way FPS games were made and set the quality bar so much higher that it was another year before games were even coming close to the quality of that game. It really just left goldeneye and ever other 3D engine based FPS behind and made us demand far more from FPS games. I feel the 2D engine games have aged more gracefully due to being unique experiences from 3D engine games.

    I feel also the frame rate is a big factor. It was forgiveable when Goldeneye was released because you were getting the best FPS experience around at the time. However as it was surpassed by better games which also had smoother feeling controls due to stable 30+ frames per second it becomes less forgiveable in goldeneye.

    Anyway that was practically another blog post!

    As for the blog header, doing something like that would be beyond my capabilities so I'll just list them here:

    Top row from the right: Virtual boy, Actraiser 2, Earthbound, Persona 4, Super Metroid
    Bottom row from the right: Shin Megami Tensei, Donkey Kong, Catherine, Dragon Quest 8, lastly my old videogame set up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    In fairness, if I'd written the post above, I would've guised it as a blog post.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    As for the blog header, doing something like that would be beyond my capabilities so I'll just list them here:

    Top row from the right: Virtual boy, Actraiser 2, Earthbound, Persona 4, Super Metroid
    Bottom row from the right: Shin Megami Tensei, Donkey Kong, Catherine, Dragon Quest 8, lastly my old videogame set up

    Tks. The above were the two I didn't recognise. Actually picked up that Persona 4 pre-owned for a tenner recently, missing the cover but figured it might be nice to have it in the collection anyway.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    You can't go wrong with either Persona 3 or 4. Fantastic titles.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    You can't go wrong with either Persona 3 or 4. Fantastic titles.

    That reminds me, I have the NTSC version of P3 that came with the art book and soundtrack cd, art book is really nice. Must give it go sometime.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,829 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    You're best to start with Persona 3. P3 is an amazing game but I've seen some people find it hard to go back to P3 after playing P4 because of all the improvements P4 made to P3.


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