Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

lorenzo87 · 31-07-2014 1:59pm

yop wrote: »

If he had 10 heads It wouldn't bother me

He doesn't think about it, watching him in the last few games, he doesn't dither or worry that he might miss, he just slots them over. And at his age its scary how good he is now.

He has really progressed from just a brilliant free-taker to now getting a large amount of scores from play aswell. He is priceless to Mayo, it is very hard to find a player that can ping frees over for breakfast and also have a big impact from open play also. On top of that, his work rate is superb. He takes so much pressure off the team.

kupus · 31-07-2014 2:49pm

mayo will need to be at the best here, never mind cork, reilly will be a bigger threat here!

yop · 31-07-2014 2:57pm

kupus wrote: »

mayo will need to be at the best here, never mind cork, reilly will be a bigger threat here!

Are you in Croke Park now? :P

flasher0030 · 31-07-2014 3:11pm

yop wrote: »

Define natural.

I am on about Mayo, Cooper is without doubt natural, Murphy has been off his game for over a year but is a fine fine player, wouldn't put him the same category as Cooper.

I would regard a forward as having natural ability if, with only minimal training, they still pose a significant threat i.e. they possess all of the skills and have the composure to use those skills regardless of fitness and speed e.g. Colm Cooper, Peter Canavan, Ciaran MacDonald, Declan O’Sullivan, Paddy McBrearty, Shane Walsh and of course Maurice Fitzgerald and Mattie Forde back in the day.

yop · 31-07-2014 3:15pm

flasher0030 wrote: »

I would regard a forward as having natural ability if, with only minimal training, they still pose a significant threat i.e. they possess all of the skills and have the composure to use those skills regardless of fitness and speed e.g. Colm Cooper, Peter Canavan, Ciaran MacDonald, Declan O’Sullivan, Paddy McBrearty, Shane Walsh and of course Maurice Fitzgerald and Mattie Forde back in the day.

And COC also then.

Shane Walsh.... after 4 games is it?

padd b1975 · 31-07-2014 3:34pm

yop wrote: »

Define natural.

Someone who you see playing under 12 and there's just something about themthat sets them apart from all the rest.
I suppose you could call in an X Factor.

Check out the YouTube video of Peter Canavan's son to see what I mean.

Larry Tompkins was a great footballer back in the day and a deadly freetaker, but he has said himself that he had limited natural ability.

What he did have though was a desire to get to the very top, huge will to win, self discipline and fitness.

He also ruthlessly turned his back on his own county but that's a discussion for another day...

Moneymaker · 31-07-2014 3:35pm

I used to look forward to see Ciaran McDonald play. Incredible player, one of the most naturally gifted footballers i've ever seen. His ability to kick long range passes and scores was just frightening.

And this is coming from a Dub. :pac:

keane2097 · 31-07-2014 3:36pm

One of my all time favourite players as well.

yop · 31-07-2014 3:37pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Someone who you see playing under 12 and there's just something about themthat sets them apart from all the rest.
I suppose you could call in an X Factor.

Check out the YouTube video of Peter Canavan's son to see what I mean.

Larry Tompkins was a great footballer back in the day and a deadly freetaker, but he has said himself that he had limited natural ability.

What he did have though was a desire to get to the very top, huge will to win, self discipline and fitness.

He also ruthlessly turned his back on his own county but that's a discussion for another day...

Never seen COC playing U12, minor and U21 and senior and he is, in my opinion, the best natural forward I have seen in a Mayo jersey.

yop · 31-07-2014 3:39pm

Moneymaker wrote: »

I used to look forward to see Ciaran McDonald play. Incredible player, one of the most naturally gifted footballers i've ever seen. His ability to kick long range passes and scores was just frightening.

And this is coming from a Dub. :pac:

2006 *cough cough*

This one was funny

naughto · 31-07-2014 3:54pm

if he was `10 yrs younger with coc on his shoulder it would be some forward line.
iam thinking the duffy saga is over no mention of him at all,i was hoping to see him in a mayo jersey, and get 20 mins

ColeTrain · 31-07-2014 4:00pm

O'Connor is absolutely vital to us now besides his free kicking. Against Roscommon he was excellent for pulling his sleeves up and doing what was needed to get over the line - the fact is we don't possess many forwards that have that quality. Keep him fit and we won't be far off in any game.

yop · 31-07-2014 4:07pm

naughto wrote: »

if he was `10 yrs younger with coc on his shoulder it would be some forward line.
iam thinking the duffy saga is over no mention of him at all,i was hoping to see him in a mayo jersey, and get 20 mins

It would be chaos if they were.

Fr Tod Umptious · 31-07-2014 4:10pm

Was I the only one expecting a team announcement at lunch time today ?
Or is it tomorrow its usually done ?

yop · 31-07-2014 4:14pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Was I the only one expecting a team announcement at lunch time today ?
Or is it tomorrow its usually done ?

http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/sport/21807-mayo-teams-to-be-named-at-lunchtime-tomorrow

padd b1975 · 31-07-2014 5:05pm

yop wrote: »

Never seen COC playing U12, minor and U21 and senior and he is, in my opinion, the best natural forward I have seen in a Mayo jersey.

Neither have I truth be told!

When he started with the seniors his contribution from open play was limited enough.

He was on the starting 15 purely on the basis of his freetaking.

Cooper on the other hand took games by the scruff of the neck even though he was lacking in physicality at the time.

Go a little further back and read up on the performance of the then unheard of Maurice Fitzgerald in the 1987 Munster Final.

Natural playears just have it from the get go.

keane2097 · 31-07-2014 5:15pm

O'Connor looks to me like a moderately talented player destined to be excellent because of work ethic and will to maximize his ability rather than the sheer giftedness of guys like McDonald or Gooch.

Many great players fall into the former category, I'd have someone like Bernard Brogan in that group as well fwiw, while someone like Connolly is more like the latter.

Moneymaker · 31-07-2014 5:45pm

yop wrote: »

2006 *cough cough*

Oh yeah, that one hurt alright.

I seem to remember him scoring an absolute peach of a lineball early on too.

Fabulous player.

Syferus · 31-07-2014 5:48pm

naughto wrote: »

if he was `10 yrs younger with coc on his shoulder it would be some forward line.
iam thinking the duffy saga is over no mention of him at all,i was hoping to see him in a mayo jersey, and get 20 mins

You'd have to have overdosed on Jaffa Cakes to think Duffy was going to have a meaningful role on a 'top' inter-county panel this year after not playing the sport in about a decade and a half.

He's there as an attempt to energise the rest of the panel and little else right now. He might get worthwhile minutes in next year's league if he's shown well.

I'd be much more worried about how Adam Gallagher was frozen out of the team before his injury if I were you.

seligehgit · 31-07-2014 7:36pm

Syferus wrote: »

You'd have to have overdosed on Jaffa Cakes to think Duffy was going to have a meaningful role on a 'top' inter-county panel this year after not playing the sport in about a decade and a half.

He's there as an attempt to energise the rest of the panel and little else right now. He might get worthwhile minutes in next year's league if he's shown well.

I'd be much more worried about how Adam Gallagher was frozen out of the team before his injury if I were you.

It is a tad mystifying what became of Adam Gallagher.

naughto · 31-07-2014 7:43pm

seligehgit wrote: »

It is a tad mystifying what became of Adam Gallagher.

Its horans way or no way I'd say sure look at the way Feeney is treated

seligehgit · 31-07-2014 9:01pm

Cork team unchanged

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. James Loughrey (Mallow)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
8. Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
11. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
18. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
19. Seán Kiely (Ballincollig)
20. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
21. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
22. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
23. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
24. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
25. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donncha O'Connor (Ballydesmond)

zetecescort · 31-07-2014 9:08pm

plenty chance on the bench, 3 lads dropped(or left the panel), 2 defenders and 6 forwards in the days of black cards. bizzare to say the least. Cork fans have no confidence in Cuthbert and if rumours of lads leaving the panel are true moral in the camp must be poor also.

expecting a hiding along the lines of what ye did to Donegal last year tbh

davegrohl48 · 01-08-2014 10:00am

km79 wrote: »

Anyone hear rumour that Donie Vaughan is starting midfield instead of Barry Moran with cuniffe returning .......

I think long term Vaughan is more suited in that kind of role but it would need to have been road tested already for at least one game. I remember a lot of Ballinrobe match reports had him listed midfield. His percentage of scores to shots is way below Lee Keegans so that is one important point to consider. Vaughan/Keegan neither can really contest in the air that I'v seen in Mayo matches. So if going to make that kind of switch Lee Keegan would cause more damage. Keegan might be able to come short to gather kickouts from Hennelly.
At this stage unlikely to be many changes but there is one I think is worth doing with an eye towards Dublin in a final. In the 2013 final if we had properly man marked Paul Flynn I think the final would have been over at half time. Flynn had way too much time and space to pickout his pass for Bernard Brogans goal. He had a big influence throughout the game. Keith Higgins if instructed to just concentrate on Flynn for 70 minutes would at least have been getting pressure on with his speed off the mark.
If Cunniffe returns then Keith Higgins can move out. Flynn is too tall for Barrett and too quick for Vaughan. Flynn kills you with his passing not his scoring. Disrupting passing is all about the defender being as close as possible to make the pass rushed and as innacurate as possible.

keane2097 · 01-08-2014 10:01am

Would be a really bad sign for Mayo if they were to implement such a drastic system change as breaking up their excellent half back line and playing a completely untested player at midfield ahead of several quality performers IMO.

km79 · 01-08-2014 11:55am

team named shows no changes

yop · 01-08-2014 1:03pm

km79 wrote: »

team named shows no changes

1.) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2.) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3.) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4.) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5.) Lee Keegan - Westport
6.) Colm Boyle - Davitts
7.) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
8.) Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9.) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10.) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11.) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
12.) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14.) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15.) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber

Minors:
1.) Matthew Flanagan - Balla
2.) Conor Kilkenny - Aghamore
3.) Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen
4.) Eoin O Donoghue - Belmullet
5.) Jason Forkan - Kiltimagh
6.) Barry Duffy - Balla
7.) Sean Conlon - Castlebar Mitchels
8.) Gary Walsh - Breaffy
9.) Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
10.) Gary Boylan - Belmullet
11.) Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12.) Sharoize Akram - Ballaghaderreen
13.) Fionan Duffy - Crossmolina
14.) T.J. Byrne - Kiltimagh
15.) Brian Reape - Bohola Moy Davitts

16.) Scott Kilker - Belmullet
17.) Stephen Brennan - Claremorris
18.) Dylan Cannon - Breaffy
19.) David Clarke - Ballintubber
20.) Keith Hopkins - Crossmolina
21.) Conor Byrne - Bohola Moy Davitts
22.) Oisin Horan - Kilmovee Shamrocks
23.) Liam Byrne - Bohola Moy Davitts
24.) Jack Reilly - Charlestown Sarsfields

seligehgit · 01-08-2014 1:15pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I think long term Vaughan is more suited in that kind of role but it would need to have been road tested already for at least one game. I remember a lot of Ballinrobe match reports had him listed midfield. His percentage of scores to shots is way below Lee Keegans so that is one important point to consider. Vaughan/Keegan neither can really contest in the air that I'v seen in Mayo matches. So if going to make that kind of switch Lee Keegan would cause more damage. Keegan might be able to come short to gather kickouts from Hennelly.
At this stage unlikely to be many changes but there is one I think is worth doing with an eye towards Dublin in a final. In the 2013 final if we had properly man marked Paul Flynn I think the final would have been over at half time. Flynn had way too much time and space to pickout his pass for Bernard Brogans goal. He had a big influence throughout the game. Keith Higgins if instructed to just concentrate on Flynn for 70 minutes would at least have been getting pressure on with his speed off the mark.
If Cunniffe returns then Keith Higgins can move out. Flynn is too tall for Barrett and too quick for Vaughan. Flynn kills you with his passing not his scoring. Disrupting passing is all about the defender being as close as possible to make the pass rushed and as innacurate as possible.

Excellent post, yeah as much as Cluxton nullified Aidan O Shea's influence with his kickouts alongside Michael Dara McCauley's mobility. Paul Flynn's influence was immense and he does require a marker who compete height and speed wise. Who better than Zippy.

davegrohl48 · 01-08-2014 3:04pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Excellent post, yeah as much as Cluxton nullified Aidan O Shea's influence with his kickouts alongside Michael Dara McCauley's mobility. Paul Flynn's influence was immense and he does require a marker who compete height and speed wise. Who better than Zippy.

I have always liked the balance of the following half backline.
Boyle marks the main scoring half forward. Boyle is more suited to staying back in our own defence in a shutdown job on someone like Connolly.
Higgins marks the main playmaker. The most essential half forward to shutdown. This half forward usually roams between the 45's, type of player like Paul Flynn or Kevin McGloughlin who is involved in lots of attacks. You need speed and mobility to mark such a player.
Keegan is left in a more free role with coverage dropping back from players 8 - 15 to leave Keegan as free as possible.
We only really need one free half back - Keegan. Keegan on form in a freed up role is a game winner. If the other two half backs are sticking then I think Keegans influence would be greater. Keegan has the engine to wear out any attempt to mark him out of the game.

davegrohl48 · 03-08-2014 12:50pm

Minors leading Armagh 1-6 to 4 pts. Looks like if they get a start in first five minutes of second half could have this game over. Not at it but apparently Akram n Hanley going well. Akram's marker switched. Boylan doin well too.

davegrohl48 · 03-08-2014 1:01pm

Game over. Brian Reape finishes off yet another game. His overall performances all season are surely the best since Pearce Hanley. Even in early preseason game defeat to Leitrim he was involved in everything remember report on that game. 3-9 to 5 at moment Reape 2-1.
Mcguinness would probably get him to tog for senior game

if he were Donegal.

neiphin · 03-08-2014 6:02pm

squeeky bum time there for a whilw

jeffred · 03-08-2014 6:21pm

Made hard work out of a great start to the second half. Need to learn how to close out games.

FaganJr · 03-08-2014 6:24pm

How in the name of God is Varley making the team ahead of Feeney? Its beyond belief at this stage! It will cost us again this year mark my words!

Defiler Of The Coffin · 03-08-2014 6:29pm

Dillon silenced a few critics today. Didn't know what to make of Vaughan in midfield but his point at the end was crucial. Don't think anyone can accuse this team of not having character. Fair play to Cork for not lying down after we got the goal. Bring on Kerry in 3 weeks!

km79 · 03-08-2014 6:31pm

Nearly lost it on the line. Again. Crazy calls. Again. Every big game .

blinding · 03-08-2014 6:32pm

FaganJr wrote: »

How in the name of God is Varley making the team ahead of Feeney? Its beyond belief at this stage! It will cost us again this year mark my words!

James Horan does seem to have some blind spots about certain players.

Conroy and Varley seem to be above Feeney and Freeman at the moment.

Feeney is not a natural forward but he certainly has ability as a defender.

c_man · 03-08-2014 6:34pm

Well done from yer southern neighbours

Thoughts on facing Kerry? I'd fancy Mayo given both performances today, but there's a few weeks in it yet..

Kristopherus · 03-08-2014 6:34pm

blinding wrote: »

James Horan does seem to have some blind spots about certain players.

Conroy and Varley seem to be above Feeney and Freeman at the moment.

Feeney is not a natural forward but he certainly has ability as a defender.

I thought Feeney had walked

FaganJr · 03-08-2014 6:36pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

I thought Feeney had walked

Jaysus where ya hear that?

statto25 · 03-08-2014 6:39pm

FaganJr wrote: »

Jaysus where ya hear that?

I heard he had quit too after the Roscommon game.

Fowler87 · 03-08-2014 6:46pm

Hoarse :pac:

km79 · 03-08-2014 6:49pm

statto25 wrote: »

I heard he had quit too after the Roscommon game.

he may as well. about to make customary half a minute appearance at the end again. what has he done wrong ? what has freeman done wrong or has he still the flu ? varley and conroy must be some operators in training .......

keane2097 · 03-08-2014 6:51pm

statto25 wrote: »

I heard he had quit too after the Roscommon game.

He was up and down the sideline warming up all afternoon anyway!

Loafing Oaf · 03-08-2014 7:27pm

c_man wrote: »

Well done from yer southern neighbours Thoughts on facing Kerry? I'd fancy Mayo given both performances today, but there's a few weeks in it yet..

Always best to consult the experts on these questions:P: bookies have Mayo slightly ahead of Kerry for AI, whereas it was other way round before today. Only saw a few mins of Kerry so can't really judge myself. One thing that would hearten me is that Kerry aren't as physical as Cork (or Dublin) so if Mayo get their defensive tactics right they should be able to minimise goals conceded.

God talk about crawling over the line though, cooler heads in the last ten minutes and Cork would surely have done it. Could they have done anything different with those close-in frees in injury time? They must surely have known they couldn't win it with points?

km79 · 03-08-2014 7:27pm

km79 wrote: »

Anyone hear rumour that Donie Vaughan is starting midfield instead of Barry Moran with cuniffe returning .......

so it was true. and did not work. the team is now all over the place. Keegan seemed to spend most of the game corner back.

blinding · 03-08-2014 7:32pm

km79 wrote: »

Anyone hear rumour that Donie Vaughan is starting midfield instead of Barry Moran with cuniffe returning .......

I didn't think that Vaughan had a great game.
Would Jason Gibbons not be a better option in the middle of the field ?

km79 · 03-08-2014 7:37pm

blinding wrote: »

I didn't think that Vaughan had a great game.
Would Jason Gibbons not be a better option in the middle of the field ?

yes! as he is actually a midfielder! 4 years in and he hatches this plan for a 1\4 final. the experimenting shud be over. the team was all over the place 1st half. Keegan in particular was wasted

davegrohl48 · 03-08-2014 9:15pm

A long term problem surfaced yet again. We're conceding way too much. When teams attack our full backline we consistently concede 2+ goals per game.
Usage of forwards subs was strange. Taking OConnor off in a tight margin game? We don't have another freetaker like him. Varley/Conroy have not produced across many games.
Cannot see how we'll solve the defence leaking so much.

statto25 · 03-08-2014 9:47pm

keane2097 wrote: »

He was up and down the sideline warming up all afternoon anyway!

Was he on the panel for the Connacht Final? I can't find the programme!

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