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Heineken Cup - General Discussion Thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    If Glos win their home games, get losing bonus points at Toulouse and Quins and win in Galway, they have every chance of progressing. In a group like theirs, a losing BP in Toulouse could be crucial. Leinster and Munster have relied heavily on securing losing bonus points in the past to get them through groups.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    No where else really to put this, but just noticed two things, that Tim visser is now edinburghs all time top try scorer, and that his brother sep also joined edinburgh a few months ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak



    15 Clément Poitrenaud (Toulouse) - We begin with one of the toughest calls as Poitrenaud and Ben Foden stood out. Foden created the try for Chris Ashton, but for his ability to draw Gloucester defenders and create something from nothing, the Toulouse man gets our nod.

    14 Doug Howlett (Munster) - Anyone who thought he and Munster were over the hill were made to eat their words on Saturday. Howlett rolled back the years to prove he still has plenty of juice left in the tank for games to come. His try at the end of the first-half was key.

    13 Owen Farrell (Saracens) - He has already had a glowing reference from former Springbok captain John Smit and why shouldn't he. Farrell is growing game by game and showed a great deal in the number thirteen jersey against an improved Treviso outfit. He amassed 22 points in Round One and seems to be thriving outside Charlie Hodgson.

    12 James Downey (Northampton) - Another showing that has one scratching his head as to why he is not in the Ireland shake-up. Downey was excellent in Limerick and arguably raised his effort to a new level against his former employers. However, the powerful inside centre will be disappointed that his try ultimately proved fruitless in the result on Saturday.

    11 Iain Balshaw (Biarritz) - The only player in the opening Heineken Cup weekend to claim a brace of tries was the former England wing. Balshaw brought Biarritz back from the brink and in fact they can't be downhearted by leaving Liberty Stadium with a losing bonus-point.

    10 Ronan O'Gara (Munster) - It was a toss-up between Francois Trinh-Duc, Dan Biggar and Munster's favourite son. O'Gara used all of his knowledge of the Thomond Park pitch as he pushed and probed the hosts around the field and just when Munster needed the ERC Best Player of the last 15 years, O'Gara stood up to knock over a winning drop against the wind.

    9 Kahn Fotuali'i (Ospreys) - While Luke Burgess enjoyed an impressive debut for Toulouse, warming Stade Ernest Wallon with his physical approach that was Byron Kelleher-esque, there was a certain Samoan causing a stir in Swansea. Fotuali'i set up the Ospreys' only try and looked good alongside the also impressive Dan Biggar at half-back. Excellent signing.

    8 Ernst Joubert (Saracens) - It was tough to only pick one of the Montpellier back-row as Masi Matadigo and Fulgence Ouedraogo put in good shifts together with 'Gorgodzilla'. Gone are the days though of Treviso being a walkover and that is why Joubert gets in the mix.

    7 Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier) - The Georgian forward was the first name down on the teamsheet after an heroic 80 minutes for Montpol. He started out at number seven and then shifted to eight, keeping Sean O'Brien uncharacteristically quiet at Stade Yves du Manoir.

    6 Peter O'Mahony (Munster) - Who? Apparently he is the next big thing at Munster and proved just that in his man-of-the-match performance. The flank, who may not have started if the hosts were injury-free, was tireless in the loose and looks to have a very bright future.

    5 Paul Tito (Cardiff Blues) - Emerging from the sidelines for James Down early into their away victory in Paris, former captain Tito was superb at lock, earning high praise from his coaches and team-mates alike. Cardiff Blues have now given themselves every chance.

    4 Courtney Lawes (Northampton) - Yet another athletic showing from the England lock as he covered ample ground and made countless tackles, one of which stood out as he tracked across the line to foil an overlap. Saints should not be written off topping this Pool.

    3 Taufa'ao Filise (Cardiff Blues) - A try for the tighthead sees him edge out Geoff Cross in this spot. Winning at Racing is no mean feat and the Welsh have done their qualification hopes a power of good, particularly as London Irish fell at home to Edinburgh.

    2 Agustin Creevy (Montpellier) - Darren Dawiduik got the better of Gary Botha at Stade Ernest Wallon with an effective yet unflashy showing. However, Montpol's pack deserved more than just the solitary spot and that is why the industrious Argentine forces his way in.

    1 Soane Tonga'uiha (Northampton) - Once again we witnessed the immense power of the Saints front-row as Munster found themselves wanting in many a scrum. Alongside Dylan Hartley and Brian Mujati, Tonga'uiha was strong both in the set-piece and around the field.

    Taken from PlanetRugby

    Interesting selection. No Leinster players. Fair enough. Though I think Sexto's performance was unfortunately over shadowed by his team's lack of one.

    Is there anywhere to watch all of the 'red button' games, even highlights?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Also interesting is the British view on Downey's exclusion of the Irish camp. Think he proved he wasn't as 'one-dimensional' as people think in the Munster match.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Ouedraogo's omission makes a mockery of that selection. Probably the single best player at the weekend. Edinburgh's No. 8 was absolutely immense also. He single handedly took on London Irish. Those two boys were absolutely everywhere in their games and are the reasons their teams took anything from the games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Sexton definitely should have been in that team, he was the only back in Leinster who played to the standard that is expected from Heineken cup winners and single-handedly kept us in the game. I also agree that Ouedraogo deserved a spot in there, and though I couldn't pick a hooker for the weekend, I was certainly paying full attention to the Leinster match, and I thought Strauss outperformed Creevy with a dominant performance at the breakdown and elsewhere. I'd also give Richie Gray the nod ahead of Lawes, and that Gloucester deserved a player in that team, perhaps Sharpells.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    I would have put Sexton, Ouedraogo and Sexton in the team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    PA tends to pick the popular players for popular reasons. i.e; would ROG get picked if he didn't kick the winning DG? Doubtful. But since he did it's easy to pick him. You could say the same for the rest of the selections. I think they got the backs right tho from 11 to 15.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Hagz wrote: »
    I would have put Sexton, Ouedraogo and Sexton in the team.
    So good you named him twice? :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Joe Worsley retired from rugby.

    A great player in his day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Joe Worsley retired from rugby.

    A great player in his day.

    So underrated and always took a bit of flak this side of the water. He was a fantastic blindside in the traditional sense. Immense workrate, smashed anything that moved, rucked like a mad man, decent in the line out. If it wasn't for the untouchable Richard Hill, he'd have well over 100 caps for his country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Having looked at the squad that Racing are sending to Edinburgh, Michael Bradley has a fantastic opportunity to do something special this season in Scotland. Win this game, and it will more than likely come down to a straight shoot out between themselves and Cardiff. Both of them got surprising wins last weekend. Taking away those that are currently injured like Steyn and Fall, Racing are travelling without the likes of Germain, Bobo, Estabenez, Lo Cicero, Nailiko and club captain Cronje who all started last week and also Durand and Vaquiin who were on the bench. I really detest when teams devalue the HEC like this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭BoarHunter


    GerM wrote: »
    Having looked at the squad that Racing are sending to Edinburgh, Michael Bradley has a fantastic opportunity to do something special this season in Scotland. Win this game, and it will more than likely come down to a straight shoot out between themselves and Cardiff. Both of them got surprising wins last weekend. Taking away those that are currently injured like Steyn and Fall, Racing are travelling without the likes of Germain, Bobo, Estabenez, Lo Cicero, Nailiko and club captain Cronje who all started last week and also Durand and Vaquiin who were on the bench. I really detest when teams devalue the HEC like this.


    Racing have one and only one Target this season : TOP14. They don't give a damn about the HCup. They invested a lot over the last seasons to be in Stade de France for the shield.

    They certainly don't want to have a key player injured away in Scotland for a game they don't care about.

    I think Montpellier won't push to hard on away games either especially that they are trailing in the league.

    TOP14 this season is going to be Hectic especially with 9 matchs played during the WC period some teams are desperate to catch up : MHR, Biarritz and Racing for exemple.

    This will be an English/Celtic cup this season I think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Matt Williams has started a weekly HEC article for the IT. The first one actually doesn't really talk about the HEC but it was a poignant and well written article that one or two may enjoy as much as myself.
    Lonely grave in France puts rugby in perspective

    FRENCH NOTES: In the first of a series of Monday columns, MATT WILLIAMS recalls the poignant death of an 18-year-old relative who became one of the countless casualties of the first World War

    MICK RYAN was an athletic and elusive fullback with a powerful left boot. He regularly dropped goals with that deadly left from 40 metres. He was fast. He won invitational open age races running in both the 100 and 200 metres. Physically he was stocky, 5ft 10in with dark brown hair and piecing blue eyes. He was an extrovert by nature and by all accounts a bit of a larrikin with a ready smile and cheeky sense of humour.

    Mick was killed under a barrage of German bullets on the Somme in 1918. He was 18 years old. The Armistice was just five weeks away. Mick Ryan is my great uncle. As is the Irish way, he was christened Joseph Michael, but to all he was and remains Uncle Mick.

    The Joseph part proved a hard nut to crack when I was searching for his grave on the Somme. The key was to trace the Ryan’s adopted home of Trangie in western New South Wales. If they were looking to upgrade from Limerick, they got it very wrong.

    The cemetery near Albert in northern France is kept in immaculate condition. About 200 graves in perfect rows of white stones. At each grave there was a majestic rose in late bloom. The battle that killed Mick was on this spot. The Australians were attempting to retake the town. The dead were buried where they fell. It is a killing ground.

    The French tricolour and the Australian flag were flying over a marble altar engraved with the words “Lest we forget”. I am not a man who cries often. I have only shed tears a few times in my adult life. I remember tears at the deaths of my father and my brother. At Mick’s grave, a man who had been dead 50 years before I was born, I wept like a child. I am not really sure why.

    The waste of life; the stupidity of Mick lying about his age and signing up for war at 16-years-old; the pain of his family left behind; the frustration of never really knowing him or his full story, or maybe the regret that my grandfather, Mick’s brother, carried his entire life for letting him go to war. Perhaps it was that I know how joyful life can be and understand that Mick was robbed of his future.

    Mick’s father John was born and bred in Limerick. Family legend has it that he played for Shannon although I can find no evidence of this. What I have found is that his family knew great hunger in both Ireland and western New South Wales. There was little formal education, little money and little food. His four sons and four daughters were good sportsmen, hard-working and resourceful. Those that lived made great success of their lives. They were church-going, avid Irish republicans.

    Why would the child from a deeply republican family join the first World War? A war the Irish saw as a British war? Mick’s choice was not political or ideological. It was the choice of an adolescent looking to escape the drudgery of rural Australia.

    Mick thought it would be a short, romantic, glorious adventure from which he would return to tell the tale. It was a sojourn out of the grind of an uneducated working life.

    My grandfather, Jack, was a shearer, miner and a fencer before making his money as a bookmaker. The soul-crushing manual labour of his youth tilted his politics to the left. He neither smoked nor drank. In early life he sent his money home to support his sisters and mother. He supported any family member who fell on hard financial times. He had a hatred of banks and governments. He would fit in well today.

    Jack learnt to fight by minding the money of his fellow shearers on Friday nights before they went into the local town to drink their wages. Jack would hold part of their money for them so they did not spend it all. When they returned, well jarred, to get the balance to continue drinking he would refuse. That’s when the fight started. He never lost a fight and the scars on his knuckles reminded me to never try to take him on.

    In the early 20th century, travelling troops of boxers would arrive in country towns and challenge the locals for a prize. One such troop contained the legendary Australian boxer Les D’Arcy. D’Arcy was a former blacksmith and the child of Irish parents. He was the hero of Irish Australia at the time.

    Jack put his name and money down to fight D’Arcy, who heard on the ‘bush telegraph’ that Jack was fighting for money for his family, who were in a tough place. To the absolute horror of the promoter, D’Arcy nursed Jack through three rounds so he could win the substantial prize money. In the last seconds D’Arcy let go one real punch that connected perfectly with Jack’s chin.

    It should have sent Jack to the floor. But D’Arcy held my grandfather upright in a clinch until the final bell and whispered in his ear: “Jack, don’t come back for a rematch”. Jack said he could always remember the promoter yelling at D’Arcy and Les simply winking at Jack as he smiled.

    Jack played rugby with a passion. In 1919, one year after Mick died, Trangie won the Far Western New South Wales rugby competition. Jack told me it was one of the saddest days of his life to win without Mick at fullback. Before he died he gave me his winning medal. It is attached to the end of his watch chain. If my house was on fire I would brave the flames to save that medal.

    As I write this I am living in France and coaching Narbonne and I have been thinking of Mick. Thinking of his family who received the telegram, which simply said “killed in action”. The body was never going to be returned. There was no chance to visit, to talk, to rationalise the death. The Australian War Memorial online service has digitised all servicemen’s correspondence from WWI. I have read my great grandfather’s letters pleading for information about his son. Ninety three years later it is still hard to read. The pain of the father is clear and present.

    I attended the Remembrance Day ceremony in Narbonne last Friday – the eleventh hour, of the eleventh day, of the eleventh month – to mark the ceasefire. The carved words on the memorial reads “Narbonne a ses enfants”. Narbonne has her children. My family feels we don’t have ours. Mick seems lost to the last three generations and no matter how hard we try we can’t get him back. He is alone in France.

    In the 1890s, Ireland held no future for Mick and his family. They fled to a primitive, hot and flint-hard rural Australia, only for Mick to sacrifice his young life in France. Like Mick, I am Irish Australian. Yet my Australia is a sanctuary, a land of abundance. For more than a decade Ireland has provided me with wonderful opportunities and experiences.

    Coaching professional sport in France is not a job, it is a pleasure. The three lands that are Mick’s story have become intricately woven into my own journey but our experiences of those lands could not be more different.

    This weekend I watched the children of both Ireland and France play a game of rugby. It is a game I love, but still only a game. Somehow the matches this week did not seem as important to me as other Heineken Cup days.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭wixfjord


    Sarries will now play the Biarritz home game in London!

    http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7313499,00.html


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Apparently there was an argument over which stadium in CT should hold the match. Seems like a bit of a major screw up though to a degree outside of Saracens control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    GerM wrote: »
    Matt Williams has started a weekly HEC article for the IT. The first one actually doesn't really talk about the HEC but it was a poignant and well written article that one or two may enjoy as much as myself.

    Great piece. Makes you think how lucky we are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Anywhere to watch back last weekend's games online? Or even to download them? Don't mind paying if necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Saracens cancel their Cape Town game.

    Not hugely surprising, very unpopular move and not well rationalised


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭ed7890


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Anywhere to watch back last weekend's games online? Or even to download them? Don't mind paying if necessary.

    There's highlights here anyway

    Munster Match

    Connacht Match

    Ulster Match

    Leinster Match

    I think all the matches are on that guys channel


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    Saints v Scarlets on shortly. Likely to be a saints win although Scarlets had a good win last weekend so you never know. Anyone think a shock is on the cards?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    Saints Scarlets sure to be the pick of the non-Irish games this weekend!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I've posted a link in the stream thread.

    Foden has pulled out, Pisi starting at fullback.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    nice start!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    What a start for Scarlets! :eek:

    Liam Williams Try!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Nice one, Saints in trouble already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    Scarlets try already. 3 mins gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    I left the room for 2 minutes :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Cardiff 10-0 London Irish; 8pm k/o


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    Scarlets doing really very well here. Saints look shocked so far


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Awful kick from Lamb, booted it miles dead with a lot on it.

    Scarlets well on top, they do need to score again though while they are on top IMO.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    surely Northampton have a better kicker from hand than Lambe on the pitch?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Edinburgh 17 Racing Metro 10.

    Quite the start there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    HAHAHA!!!

    Offside surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    :D

    What a fluky try for Scarlets!


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    ooops

    Fitzgibbon courting controversy. Who'd a thunk it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Ball went forward off Scarlet hand no?


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭wixfjord


    Jesus that's an awful decision from Fitzgibbon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Did he ground that ? Seemed to slide along with the ball on his arm then stand up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Edinburgh 17 Racing Metro 10.

    Quite the start there

    17-17 now


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    Ball went forward off Scarlet hand no?

    yeah most definitely, never a try. About 3 reasons why it shouldn't have been allowed.

    Priestland has turned into such a good player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    What a kick from Priestland. Amazing to think he was an average player at Pro12 level less than 12 months ago!


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭wixfjord


    ooops

    Fitzgibbon courting controversy. Who'd a thunk it?

    What makes it worse is that he refs the game in such a dickheaded way.
    Talks to players like their children and nobody respects him.
    Compare it with Rolland or Owens for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    How are the the commentators only seeign the knock on now?It was obvious from the first replay at the latest.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Sylas Unsightly Meteorite


    sending off in the Cardiff v LI game? Details?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Shocking pass from Downey. Another good chance for Scarlets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Artemyev tries to get around North in a telephone box, bad idea mate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Edinburgh 17 - 24 Racing Metro, sounds like a cracker!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    Frickin no red button on sky this evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Racing 24-17 ahead now, some comeback by them


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