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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭brownian


    shazkea wrote: »
    ...not one mile was at the target pace :rolleyes:....

    Guess it's not just me so. :) There's a lot to be said for just running by the feel of it, IMHO. Watching the clock is a pain in the neck and shoulder while you're doing it, and no sooner do you look away than the pace is up or down or sideways....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    shazkea wrote: »
    Crap...that didn't go to plan!! You're supposed to put up a big fight and say you'd be knackered after Conn etc...

    My sister gave me a card the other day and guess what fell out…a present of entry to 3 of them… On your bike!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    GIR April 10th

    Good god this race was a shocker for me. Just as well this was not a target race or I would not have been fun to be around after!

    So we arrived at about 12:30 thinking this is perfect, drop the bags and mooch around for a bit before the start (@13:10) in the sunshine. I crossed the start line at 13:42 according to mr garmin and it was not fun to be standing around in that heat for the delayed start (22 degrees according to my car!|). Also since I’m on a rant what the hell was the point of the starting colours?? I was in the white pen and surrounded by green and reds with people starting to walk before the 1km...wtf .

    Right back to the race, no pace in mind as I had no target time but idea was just to keep it comfortable. First 5km were ok, warm but bearable (apart from dodging the walkers) and settled into a nice rhythm. Then we hit the hills and the wheels came flying off. The hills just zapped me of all my energy. I jogged the first one up to s-bends huffing and puffing and managed to recover ok-ish by St Marys and then the next one hit. A couple of people were puking by the side of the road at this stage and this just broke me. I hate watching people getting sick coz then I want to puke :o. All form went out the window as I struggled on and 7 – 9 kms were just awful.

    I have not felt that bad on a run (race or training) in a long time and even thought about walking the rest of it. I stopped for a few seconds before I gave myself a good HTFU speech and got going again albeit slowly. Then I realised that if I kept going like this I would struggle even to make it under the 60 min mark and there was no way I was going to let that happen even if my stupid foot was starting to give out. Very nice of it to remind me of its presence on the last km of a crap run :rolleyes:. Finally made it across the line under the 60 mins...just about but that was rough going.

    I know I’m still on the comeback trail so I can’t be too harsh on myself. It is time to start cranking up the quality of my training though and this was a good motivator. Anyway stats...
    Distance: 6.33 miles
    Time: 59:44
    Avg Pace: 09:27

    What’s the story with the crappy t-shirt??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    people starting to walk before the 1km...wtf .
    This really annoyed me too. Also nearly came to a standstill at the roundabout...
    You did great getting under the hour well done. It sure was tough going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭RubyK


    Sounds like it was a tough one shaz, but you did brill to get in under the hour ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Definitely a tough race for a PB or any kind of time goal. It's always so conjested!
    Not sure how anyone ran in the heat yesterday.
    Chalk it up to experience and no doubt it will stand to you that you kept going and that you didnt' give up. Getting in under the hour in those conditions and for somebody just back from injury is great going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Cheers girls, really nice to read the encouragement :)

    April 11th Mon

    10 easy miles on the bike to bring the legs back to life. Also good time for reflection! It wasn't the time that annoyed me yesterday, it was the level of effort on what should have been a comfortable run.

    I think I was freaked out after that I need to increase my pace by a least a min/mile to get those 5 mile and 10 mile targets and on the exact same course :eek:.
    So in retrospect yesterday was actually the perfect training run, woke me up as to what I need to do. Hill and interval sessions will be introduced to plan - probably alternate them every week. Good learning experience so worth doing despite my rants yesterday :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭DigiJem


    Thats the spirit Shaz, you'll get those times down sooner than you think. How's the foot after the race?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭maria74


    I found it really tough out there yesterday and the waiting around was so hard in the heat. Well done, you did brillant!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    shazkea wrote: »
    ...protein intake increased!

    Love it:D You must run like me, damn flies:P Well done on your comeback, enjoying your log.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Tue April 12th

    Plan today was a recovery 3 miles @ 10:30 pace and fair to say I wasn't in the mood for this. Just as well I had brought my running gear to work because if I had gone home, I would have found a million excuses not to head out again.

    Thought a change of scenery was what I needed so I headed to Malahide Castle for a trot around the grounds on the trails. Great choice I have to say. Decided to ditch the planned recovery pace and just run at what was comfortable as I really needed a feel good run after Sunday.
    Lovely run and I really enjoy just running to how I feel; if its too fast or too slow, who cares!! Love when a dreaded run turns out to be really enjoyable.
    2 of the cutest dogs decided to join me for my stretching so had a great time with them. Balanced out all the cursing of other dogs on the run around!!!

    Distance: 3.07
    Time: 29:42
    Pace: 09:41


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Cleanman wrote: »
    Love it:D You must run like me, damn flies:P Well done on your comeback, enjoying your log.

    Cheers Cleanman, how is your own training going?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Yeah you've got to do a nice run after a bad one, just to boost morale and get back into the swing of things again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    shazkea wrote: »
    Tue April 12th
    Lovely run and I really enjoy just running to how I feel; if its too fast or too slow, who cares!! Love when a dreaded run turns out to be really enjoyable.

    :DI do that all the time, hard to beat the feeling of coming in from a nice run like that.


    shazkea wrote: »
    Cheers Cleanman, how is your own training going?
    My training is going great thanks. I'm not long running so my aim for the first few months was to get into it by running easy, consistently and injury free. So i can relate to your trainging since your injury! I'm going to up the pace for the summer though and see if I can post some respectable times:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Missed a couple of gym sessions this week as I was just not feeling the grá for being inside on the bright evenings. Hopefully get back to it next week.

    Friday April 15th


    An introduction to hill training in Ardgillan...:eek:
    Met up with Nules10 for a planned hill interval session. 1.77 miles warm-up which was about an even split between flat, uphill and downhill - there is no such thing as just flat in Ardgillan!! I was shattered after this!!
    Then she introduced me to the "little" hill which is about 100m with a good incline - perfect for starting this type of training. We did the first one and jogged back down but found the recovery a bit too short so walked down after the next one which was better.

    In total 5 of these at the quickest pace we could go - although we were still chatting (in between gulps of air) during some of them so maybe not really the quickest :rolleyes:. Idea of course is to build up the number of intervals and be able to jog down. Then we can move onto the "big"hill :)
    Cool-down jog/walk back to cars...naturally car park is at top of hill!!

    Cheers for the session and the company Nules, def a good workout.

    Planned LSR in park tomorrow - distance tbd!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Cleanman wrote: »
    My training is going great thanks. I'm not long running so my aim for the first few months was to get into it by running easy, consistently and injury free. So i can relate to your trainging since your injury! I'm going to up the pace for the summer though and see if I can post some respectable times:eek:

    Great to hear you're back after injury. Any target races in mind for your PB's?


  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    shazkea wrote: »
    Great to hear you're back after injury. Any target races in mind for your PB's?

    Thanks. I haven't targeted any race but I'd love to go sub 20 for the 5k before the end of the summer. If I stay injury free, hopefully it's achieveable:eek: Most important thing is to stay clear of injury though, build it up nice and slow.

    Nice training on the hills by the way. I'm not much into the gym during the summer either. Plenty of time for that over the dark evenings in winter:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    In total 5 of these at the quickest pace we could go - although we were still chatting (in between gulps of air) during some of them so maybe not really the quickest .
    :D Probably the worse kind of session to try get to know each other.
    Was a good workout alright my glutes were well and truly aching this morning so we did something right ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭maria74


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    shazkea wrote: »
    Then we can move onto the "big"hill :)

    And that is some hill in ardgillan!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭ILOVERED


    shazkea wrote: »
    An introduction to hill training in Ardgillan...:eek:
    !


    Well done! have never run in Ardgillan but love it there.
    Last time I was there I had to wrestle a buggy with a new born and 3 year old! up the hill, dont think I could ever run it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    maria74 wrote: »
    And that is some hill in ardgillan!
    ILOVERED wrote: »
    Well done! have never run in Ardgillan but love it there.
    Last time I was there I had to wrestle a buggy with a new born and 3 year old! up the hill, dont think I could ever run it!

    Lol, cheers girls. So when are you going to join us there for a session??? It'll help with the speed training...or so I'm told anyway :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Nules10 wrote: »
    :D Probably the worse kind of session to try get to know each other.
    Was a good workout alright my glutes were well and truly aching this morning so we did something right ;)

    But sure it was good fun eh :). Not a ache or a pain this morning though, bet tomorrow morning will be a different story!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭ILOVERED


    shazkea wrote: »
    So when are you going to join us there for a session???


    :eek: I have alot to do before I could do that!! Thanks tho


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭maria74


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    shazkea wrote: »
    Lol, cheers girls. So when are you going to join us there for a session??? It'll help with the speed training...or so I'm told anyway :)

    As a spectator maybe!!!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Sunday April 17th

    LSR in the park with Nules this morning and it was a beautiful morning for it. No real plan in mind but I knew I wanted to do a minimum of 8. Nules had planned 10 so if I could hang onto her for the extra 2, then that would be great. First half we did the nice side of the park and threw in the Kyber and Upper Glen hills. I chickened out out the furry glen in an effort to make the 10 comfortably but it will be on the hitlist next time!!

    Trying to get better with hydration and nutrition during runs so at about 7 we stopped for water and gel. No real need for a gel over 10 miles but wanted to get the stomach used to them again. On we trotted to finish out the 10. Delighted to get back to double digits again and legs feel good.

    To say this run was at conversational pace would be an understatement :) Definitely much easier to run with people on a long run, times flies when you're having fun!

    A nice walk in Skerries afterwards stretched out the legs so all good...

    Distance: 10.05 miles
    Time: 1:45:20
    Pace: 10:29


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    I chickened out out the furry glen in an effort to make the 10 comfortably but it will be on the hitlist next time!!
    Wechickened out of it ;)
    To say this run was at conversational pace would be an understatement
    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    We could have ran by each other yesterday. We were both concentrating no doubt in 'elite runner mode'! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    shazkea wrote: »
    Sunday April 17th

    LSR in the park with Nules this morning and it was a beautiful morning for it. No real plan in mind but I knew I wanted to do a minimum of 8. Nules had planned 10 so if I could hang onto her for the extra 2, then that would be great. First half we did the nice side of the park and threw in the Kyber and Upper Glen hills. I chickened out out the furry glen in an effort to make the 10 comfortably but it will be on the hitlist next time!!

    Trying to get better with hydration and nutrition during runs so at about 7 we stopped for water and gel. No real need for a gel over 10 miles but wanted to get the stomach used to them again. On we trotted to finish out the 10. Delighted to get back to double digits again and legs feel good.

    To say this run was at conversational pace would be an understatement :) Definitely much easier to run with people on a long run, times flies when you're having fun!

    A nice walk in Skerries afterwards stretched out the legs so all good...

    Distance: 10.05 miles
    Time: 1:45:20
    Pace: 10:29
    Nules10 wrote: »
    Wechickened out of it ;)

    :D


    La la la...http://www.corkcitymarathon.ie/therace/teamrelay/.....:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    jcsmum wrote: »
    We could have ran by each other yesterday. We were both concentrating no doubt in 'elite runner mode'! :)

    Nope I didn't spot 3 super elite amigos running around the park :D. Figured you might be around so kept an eye out to make sure we made way for the stampede past us!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Monday April 18th

    Gym session with 25 mins bike and 20 mins strength and stretching.

    First interval session tomorrow; garmin set up and ready to go...think I should go order the oxygen cannister now :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    claralara wrote: »

    OMG you're like the little devil sitting on my shoulder whispering great ideas in my head :eek:...tell me more

    Will you be holding time trials for your team lke RQ is :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    First interval session tomorrow; garmin set up and ready to go...think I should go order the oxygen cannister now
    Good luck with the intervals today... will be no bother to you :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    shazkea wrote: »
    Nope I didn't spot 3 super elite amigos running around the park :D. Figured you might be around so kept an eye out to make sure we made way for the stampede past us!

    Stampede! I think not! They kept me at a good steady pace alright, probably a bit faster than I would have done on my own. But it felt great being able to keep up and maintain the pace. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭claralara


    shazkea wrote: »
    OMG you're like the little devil sitting on my shoulder whispering great ideas in my head :eek:...tell me more

    Will you be holding time trials for your team lke RQ is :D

    Yes..anything faster than a 9.15 minute mile and you're off!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    jcsmum wrote: »
    Stampede! I think not! They kept me at a good steady pace alright, probably a bit faster than I would have done on my own. But it felt great being able to keep up and maintain the pace. :)

    That was a great pace over a 20+ miler - hope you're using them as pacers in Cork :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    claralara wrote: »
    Yes..anything faster than a 9.15 minute mile and you're off!! :)

    Lol - looks like I would qualify for that :D. Signed to womens mini yoke with a friend who is new to running. I know she's not going to make it to start line so I'm on for any excuse that gets me out of it...I bags the shortest leg :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    First time trying intervals and I had no idea what to expect really so I thought conservative would be the best way to do this. I had set up a workout in the Garmin (first time also!) for the following:
    1. 1 Mile warm up
    2. 5 x intervals...
      a) 400m @ 08:30 pace
      b) 2 min recovery jog
    3. 0.75 mile cool down
    Legs felt like lead during warm-up but cracking form when I started the intervals. Fecking watch nearly met an early death for beeping at me to slow down the whole time (my own fault, not enough pace range). So as a result interval paces are all over the place.

    5 x 400m Split Pace:
    1. 07:25
    2. 08:05
    3. 07:44
    4. 08:04
    5: 07:16 - gave up trying to slow down :rolleyes:

    Nice cool-down jog back to car.

    Lessons learnt:
    • Intervals should not be this much fun...
    • from point 1, obviously not enough repeats so need to increase to 10? (would this be correct??)
    • Pace times should not be all over the place - increase pace range and stick to a set target.
      Should pace be at target 5km pace, yeah?
    Looking for any advice on the above so all comments welcomed :)

    Total Distance: 3.84
    Time: 38.04
    Avg Pace: 09:55


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Micilin Muc


    I tried intervals for the first time last week too, 5x 400m at my pace for a 5km race. This is from the Hal Higdon Intermediate Half Marathon plan.

    I'm still trying to work out how to display the current interval's pace on my Garmin 305. There must be some way!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    I'm still trying to work out how to display the current interval's pace on my Garmin 305. There must be some way!

    Won't it do it if you have it on current pace rather than lap pace?

    @shazkea that's good going. Intervals is something I've missed out on since not being in a club anymore. You've made me want to do them now!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    The 5k and 10k plans I've followed have the intervals at around 5k pace. Basically, at the start of the training plan you run shorter intervals, at your current 5k pace, and as you get closer to your goal race you get closer to your target pace, and run longer intervals.

    Micilin, if you set up an intermediate workout on your 305, each interval will be a lap, so you'll see your pace for that interval. It's really not complicated to set up - you say how long each interval will be, and how long the recovery will be (in distance or time), and a warmup and cooldown. The start of your run is warmup, which continues until you hit the Lap button to start your first interval.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    Intervals.......Look at you....Next you'll be posting V02 Max and Lactic Threshold sessions.....:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    RayCun wrote: »
    The 5k and 10k plans I've followed have the intervals at around 5k pace. Basically, at the start of the training plan you run shorter intervals, at your current 5k pace, and as you get closer to your goal race you get closer to your target pace, and run longer intervals.

    Micilin, if you set up an intermediate workout on your 305, each interval will be a lap, so you'll see your pace for that interval. It's really not complicated to set up - you say how long each interval will be, and how long the recovery will be (in distance or time), and a warmup and cooldown. The start of your run is warmup, which continues until you hit the Lap button to start your first interval.

    Cheers Ray for the advice. One more ceist for you - what should the recovery time be between the intervals?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    I tried intervals for the first time last week too, 5x 400m at my pace for a 5km race. This is from the Hal Higdon Intermediate Half Marathon plan.

    I'm still trying to work out how to display the current interval's pace on my Garmin 305. There must be some way!

    micilin thanks for that. As LB says below just use the arrows to swap displays to see the interval pace. To be honest I found checking the watch very distracting, not to talk of the alerts that I was going too fast.
    littlebug wrote: »
    Won't it do it if you have it on current pace rather than lap pace?

    @shazkea that's good going. Intervals is something I've missed out on since not being in a club anymore. You've made me want to do them now!

    :D That made me laugh - intervals are not meant to be fun you know!!
    digger2d2 wrote: »
    Intervals.......Look at you....Next you'll be posting V02 Max and Lactic Threshold sessions.....:D

    Nope they don't have that chapter in Running for Dummies so no idea what you're on about :D...can you set up a Garmin workout for those sessions ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    shazkea wrote: »
    Cheers Ray for the advice. One more ceist for you - what should the recovery time be between the intervals?

    50-90% of the interval time (according to Pfitziger). Which should be enough for your heart rate and breathing to recover.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    5 x 400m Split Pace:
    1. 07:25
    2. 08:05
    3. 07:44
    4. 08:04
    5: 07:16 - gave up trying to slow dow
    n

    look at you with your speedy intervals... good going there :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Nules10 wrote: »
    n

    look at you with your speedy intervals... good going there :)

    I wouldn't call those speedy, I would call them all over the place!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭EdMoses


    Best of luck with the intervals shazkea. Have been doing them for the past couple of weeks myself for the first time and have found them great in terms of building speed. My recoveries would be somewhere just under half the time of the interval run if that's any help. Ed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    EdMoses wrote: »
    Best of luck with the intervals shazkea. Have been doing them for the past couple of weeks myself for the first time and have found them great in terms of building speed. My recoveries would be somewhere just under half the time of the interval run if that's any help. Ed.

    Thanks Ed. I have been keeping an eye on your progress and intervals and you're doing really well. Actually got a really good link off your log about the VDOT calculator so will use that the next time for intervals. I haven't gotten around to reading about what the hell VDOT is but will use the pace and times recommended :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭shazkea


    Similar to lots of people I've had to re-jig the schedule to fit the LSR in so it was LSR time today. I need to hit the road to the West later so I was in the park early-ish this morning.
    Due to the freakish weather, it was time to resurrect the singlets from the bottom of the wardrobe...flipping thing ended up cutting the underarm off me. I now understand how sore chaffing is :(. Body Glide may be on the shopping list!!

    Hated the first couple of miles but then I hit the Kyber and that woke the legs (and me) up and from there it was cruise time. I took in the Furry Glen as well - dunno why I was nervous of that. I was out at Knockmaroon gate before I realised I had finished it. Seemed much bigger during the GIR :rolleyes:...

    Nice run and I felt good during it - a lovely muggy day in the park. Some queue for the zoo though, did everyone in Dublin decide to go today.

    Distance: 12.04 miles
    Time: 2:01:59
    Avg Pace: 10:08


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    shazkea wrote: »
    Similar to lots of people I've had to re-jig the schedule to fit the LSR in so it was LSR time today. I need to hit the road to the West later so I was in the park early-ish this morning.
    Due to the freakish weather, it was time to resurrect the singlets from the bottom of the wardrobe...flipping thing ended up cutting the underarm off me. I now understand how sore chaffing is :(. Body Glide may be on the shopping list!!

    Hated the first couple of miles but then I hit the Kyber and that woke the legs (and me) up and from there it was cruise time. I took in the Furry Glen as well - dunno why I was nervous of that. I was out at Knockmaroon gate before I realised I had finished it. Seemed much bigger during the GIR :rolleyes:...

    Nice run and I felt good during it - a lovely muggy day in the park. Some queue for the zoo though, did everyone in Dublin decide to go today.

    Distance: 12.04 miles
    Time: 2:01:59
    Avg Pace: 10:08

    Were you wearing red? I think I spotted you as I drove over to the Papal Cross. If I had known you were going I'd have arranged to meet up.


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