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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012
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Deskjockey wrote: »Me too. "Round the rugged rock, the ragged rascal ran. "
Fair play to him though, he looks to be doing well with them this year
Yea he seems to have got his team going well so far this season, hopefully they can keep it going (until Gaillimh play them)0 -
Im disappointed that we didn't secure the win from a winning position.On the other hand it was a horrible windy day and that pitch in Dungarvan is very tight.We only scored two points in the first half so we did well to come back into it.Great goal by Stephen Moylan this fella is impressing me more and more with every outing he works his socks off for the cause and he's a very skillful hurler as well.Anthony Nash made two great saves at the end although with regards to that last save the Waterford lad went for goal when he should have taken his point.All in all im happy enough that we came out of Dungravan with a point and im reasonably happy with the direction the team is heading in.Hopefully we can get 5 points from the Clare Galway and Kilkenny games anyway.I also thought our subs had a better impact on the game but i think the draw was a fair result.
Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions
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Very sad news to hear Tony Mansfield has passed away.0
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deisefolife wrote: »that is the biggest pile of dung iv ever seen, tipp ranked third and cork ranked fourth
with limerick clare and dubs ranked higher than us
I think Cork ranked fourth is a fair rating.Limerick and Clare ranked ahead of Waterford is ridiculous all right.Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions
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Symapthy to the family of Dungarvan Observer GAA reporter Tony Mansfield who died this evening in Cork after an illness.
Tony was one of natures gentlemen. He loved the GAA and will be missed by all who knew him. He was manager of the under 21 team that won the All-Ireland 21 years ago now and was the last Waterford man to manage Waterford before Michael Ryan.0 -
RIP Tony Mansfield. A true servant to Waterford G.A.A over the years.0
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First of all, great battling performance by both teams today. Plenty of positives for Ml Ryan, Shane fives looks to be making the corner back position his own, O'Hallorans impact has been priceless, still all to play for, tough game away to the cats next week, but with all teams taking points off each other, the semi finals are a realistic target for Waterford. Tipp and Galway won't relish trips to Walsh Park so definitely points on offer there. 3 points from 4 leaves me satisfied as a Deise supporter. One more win should see us qualified, can't see Clare getting anything in Cork. Galway V Tipp next week is a hard one to call.
NB - RIP Tony Mansfield. A man who served the Deise in many capacities, he'll be sorely missed.0 -
Tip of the hat to Michael Ryan and the boys. Another battling display and another good result to silence the doubters. Terrible conditions for a match.
Stephen o keefe was a solid presence in goals aside from one hairy pull of the ball into danger and an errant short puckouct.
Shane fives is a player i always felt was hard done by and showed again today why. You know what you get with Lawlor, the usual gutsy display with a liitle cynical streak you need for a fullback. Daniels had his work cut out with Horgan but held him to a point.
Brick and Moran were solid and Moran was one of the driving forces in the dying minutes that ensured the point. Watched Nagle in particular today and thought he looked gasssed in the second half, was beaten to a lot of ball. Dont think be starting come championship.
Dont think D Fives should have been starting. Looked injured from the start. Young Prendergast didnt look quite ready for this level yet but he is young and will learn. His introduction ahead of Twomey doesnt auger well for the DLS man. Sully was good. Real shame Molumphy is gone for the year, a day like yesterday was made for him
The real positive for me is the forwards are playing more cohesively as a unit and players are more inclined to shoot themselves instead of taking the easy option and passing to Mullane last year. Granted there wad a few wides that looked like points gone abegging yesterday but to be fair the wind was atrocious too. O'Halloran now that he has recoverd from those horrific injuries is really delivering on his minor potential, looked really good again. Seamus is thriving this year,was fantastic and looks the real leader up front. Dillon put in a hard shift, think he should be on frees. Brian O'Sullivan can score but tooj the wrong option once too often and is lightweight for this level. Shane Walsh needs to back himself more to score instead of offloading it the whole time. Mahony covered serious ground yesterday and has really filled out physically.
Barron and Maurice both had a very positive impact when they came on.
Overall still plenty improvement needed but feeling a lot more confident than a month ago0 -
Anybody know if the Waterford V Kilkenny game is live on TG4 next week? I see it's down to be broadcast next Monday but wasnt sure if it's the live game at 2 or the deferred game at 4?0
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First off, RIP Tony Mansfield.
Second piece of business - complete disaster for the footballers in London. Can anyone shed any light on where they went wrong? They're definitely not out of the running - every team have lost twice except Limerick who have a 100% record and London who have lost three, but now they can't afford any more slip ups. A couple of years ago they blew promotion in London, and it was largely due to the professionalism around Kiely's management at the time - what happened this time.
Lastly - not a bad result for the hurlers. Cork and Clare would have been the two games in which you were targeting a win before the league started, but Cork are obviously in good form at the moment and they showed that against Tipp.
I'm delighted for Seamus Prendergast. I think we should be trying to develop players like Madigan and Halloran into centre forwards, and perhaps we'd get another couple of years out of Prender at full forward as a result.0 -
Crusty Blaa wrote: »RIP Tony Mansfield. A true servant to Waterford G.A.A over the years.
This only a couple weeks after John A Murphy. We have lost 2 great characters with an unbelievable wealth of knowledge in Waterford GAA. a huge void has been left.
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Second piece of business - complete disaster for the footballers in London. Can anyone shed any light on where they went wrong? They're definitely not out of the running - every team have lost twice except Limerick who have a 100% record and London who have lost three, but now they can't afford any more slip ups. A couple of years ago they blew promotion in London, and it was largely due to the professionalism around Kiely's management at the time - what happened this time.
look it in fairness you cant expect to keep shipping the beatings we have been getting at minor and u21 level over the last number of years and at the same time expect miracles at senior level. winning the first 2 games was brilliant but all it seemed to do was give people here false hope. The past 2 games have been a reality check and in truth a more realistic level of where were at. Yes we should be beating London but should we really be beating Tipp when you consider the underage success theyve had in comparision to ours?
Im not saying we dont have a chance of promotion and shouldnt be aiming for it, as in division 4 every team is capable of beating each other. But we need to be realistic when were beaten and stop trying to look for excuses and reasons and just accept where we are. The real issue lies with the development and promotion of the game at schools and underage level.0 -
cleaboy boy wrote: »Anybody know if the Waterford V Kilkenny game is live on TG4 next week? I see it's down to be broadcast next Monday but wasnt sure if it's the live game at 2 or the deferred game at 4?
Deferred according to the Gaa website. Galway Tipp is the live game0 -
Cheers Deisedude, that'll be a test of mettle for our younger players next week in Nowlan Park. Another step in the learning curve.
There's room for all sorts of permutations in the next 3 weeks, here's hoping we can get another win or two on board and qualify for the semi finals.0 -
look it in fairness you cant expect to keep shipping the beatings we have been getting at minor and u21 level over the last number of years and at the same time expect miracles at senior level. winning the first 2 games was brilliant but all it seemed to do was give people here false hope. The past 2 games have been a reality check and in truth a more realistic level of where were at. Yes we should be beating London but should we really be beating Tipp when you consider the underage success theyve had in comparision to ours?
Im not saying we dont have a chance of promotion and shouldnt be aiming for it, as in division 4 every team is capable of beating each other. But we need to be realistic when were beaten and stop trying to look for excuses and reasons and just accept where we are. The real issue lies with the development and promotion of the game at schools and underage level.
Any lads aged 25-29 grew up on teams which would have been beating every other county except Cork and Kerry. Guys 29+ may have won a Munster U21.
We've been able to add the odd player every year after that, but it won't be another couple of years until the lack of underage success will start to make a more serious impact.
With current squad, you'd expect to beat London. Leitrim have lost 99 club players, 14 of whom were intercounty players to emigration. That's our competition at the moment.0 -
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Apparently some of the U21 footballers only found out they were on the starting 15 to play Tipp on Wednesday through Facebook. Absolute shambles and we wonder why our footballers are losing to London.0
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Crusty Blaa wrote: »Apparently some of the U21 footballers only found out they were on the starting 15 to play Tipp on Wednesday through Facebook. Absolute shambles and we wonder why our footballers are losing to London.
Are the local media picking up on this at all? It's an absolute outrage that this is happening, 10 years after winning a Munster title at this level. Can you imagine if this happened with hurling!?0 -
Crusty Blaa wrote: »Apparently some of the U21 footballers only found out they were on the starting 15 to play Tipp on Wednesday through Facebook. Absolute shambles and we wonder why our footballers are losing to London.
If this is true, its shocking. Is there a link to such info available or it it someone saying something and others then adding their bit to it.0 -
Black Suir wrote: »If this is true, its shocking. Is there a link to such info available or it it someone saying something and others then adding their bit to it.
I heard it from one of the panellists fathers so there must be some form of truth in it. I wouldn't like to give names on here as it wouldn't be fair on him.
As you said if it is true, it's a disgrace. Given the fact that someone above mentioned a few pages back that they aren't even training and availability was only being asked recently, it wouldn't be at all surprising. The whole setup seems to be a farce.
Hopefully someone like Dermot Keyes has got some more confirmed info on the whole thing and writes about it in the Munster this week.0 -
The worst thing about it all is that they actually have quite a good team out for the u21s but will in all likelihood get a big beating, through no real fault of their own.
1. Sean Barron Ardmore
2. Lorcán Ó Corraoin An Rinn
3. Darren Foley Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
4. Conor Sheridan Dungarvan
5. Ross Dunford Ballinacourty
6. Ronan Sheehan Ballinacourty
7. David Hallahan Kilmacthomas
8. Kevin Phelan Ballinameela
9. Ray Ó Ceallaigh An Rinn
10. Gavin Nugent Rathgormack
11. Donie Breathnach An Rinn
12. Kevin Sheehan Sliabh gCua
13. Michael Kiely Sliabh gCua
14. Paul Whyte Kilrossanty
15. Shane Ryan Nire
I'm sure some of these are in college with or know some of the Tipp lads. If they do get beaten well then the abuse they'll get afterwards would be sure to discourage them from playing for Waterford again. The problem is that we do have good footballers but they're given no incentive to play, and while I can't speak for the current management team (seem to be doing a reasonable job I would have thought, think Carew is a man with decent expertise) over the last number of years it's almost as if anyone who wanted to represent Waterford at Senior level has been punished with conditions that are probably only really comparable with the teams in the lower echelons of the Inter-County Hurling. Important to acknowledge that this did improve a bit under John Owens, maybe partially to do with the sponorship deal with 3. I would say though that the lads didn't do themselves any favours by losing to London last weekend, even if they are a greatly improved side.
It's really a shame, but a sign that the board are cutting whatever they can get away with to save costs, and there's no doubt they'll get away it because once the immediate farce blows over we'll all be talking about the hurling again.0 -
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Mountainlad wrote: »The worst thing about it all is that they actually have quite a good team out for the u21s but will in all likelihood get a big beating, through no real fault of their own.
1. Sean Barron Ardmore
2. Lorcán Ó Corraoin An Rinn
3. Darren Foley Clashmore/Kinsalebeg
4. Conor Sheridan Dungarvan
5. Ross Dunford Ballinacourty
6. Ronan Sheehan Ballinacourty
7. David Hallahan Kilmacthomas
8. Kevin Phelan Ballinameela
9. Ray Ó Ceallaigh An Rinn
10. Gavin Nugent Rathgormack
11. Donie Breathnach An Rinn
12. Kevin Sheehan Sliabh gCua
13. Michael Kiely Sliabh gCua
14. Paul Whyte Kilrossanty
15. Shane Ryan Nire
I'm sure some of these are in college with or know some of the Tipp lads. If they do get beaten well then the abuse they'll get afterwards would be sure to discourage them from playing for Waterford again. The problem is that we do have good footballers but they're given no incentive to play, and while I can't speak for the current management team (seem to be doing a reasonable job I would have thought, think Carew is a man with decent expertise) over the last number of years it's almost as if anyone who wanted to represent Waterford at Senior level has been punished with conditions that are probably only really comparable with the teams in the lower echelons of the Inter-County Hurling. Important to acknowledge that this did improve a bit under John Owens, maybe partially to do with the sponorship deal with 3. I would say though that the lads didn't do themselves any favours by losing to London last weekend, even if they are a greatly improved side.
It's really a shame, but a sign that the board are cutting whatever they can get away with to save costs, and there's no doubt they'll get away it because once the immediate farce blows over we'll all be talking about the hurling again.
is that the actual team?
surprise surprise no one from any city club, Gaultier or Tramore (a so-called football town). As usual its up to the smaller rural clubs to put in the hard graft to keep the football flame burning in the county.0 -
is that the actual team?
surprise surprise no one from any city club, Gaultier or Tramore (a so-called football town). As usual its up to the smaller rural clubs to put in the hard graft to keep the football flame burning in the county.
perhaps the truth is that the majority of people in the county just prefer hurling both to support and play, which they are entitled to do, because a minority have an intrest in the game and wish to keep the flame burning (as they are entiled to do) should not mean that everyone else has to bend to their will, i0 -
Going from the reaction on the PROC Rebel GAA and on here it seems both sets of fans are reasonably happy with the result.Going in at half time 10 points to 2 down and considering the weather it would have been easy for our fellas to say to hell with this let's get the bus back home!Instead they knuckled down and put themselves into a position where they were winning the game with minutes to go.Credit to Waterford for making a draw of it in the end.From our perspective im happy enough with the start of the league and im hopeful that we can have a good crack at winning a munster title.Anyone who thinks Waterford are an easy proposition can think again.They are very strong from positions from 1-9 and they have a fair few promising forwards as well.It's look like there is life after John Mullane after all!
Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions
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is that the actual team?
surprise surprise no one from any city club, Gaultier or Tramore (a so-called football town). As usual its up to the smaller rural clubs to put in the hard graft to keep the football flame burning in the county.
Tramore were playing on Sunday as were John Mitchel's, Rathgormack and Kilmacthomas and I believe trials were held later that day .... could have something to do with it. Also it looks like 13/15 are from the west (I stand to be corrected on that). It's clearly an issue with how the whole process is carried out and not the fault of any of the clubs; the fact that they won't even have trained prior to the Munster championship is testament to this. When you look at last year's result (WATERFORD 1-4 V 4-26 KERRY) is it any wonder that people would be reluctant to play with such poor preparation again?
Edit: Just looking at the odds on Paddy Power - Tipp are 1/50 for the win, says it all really.0 -
Straight Talker wrote: »Going from the reaction on the PROC Rebel GAA and on here it seems both sets of fans are reasonably happy with the result.Going in at half time 10 points to 2 down and considering the weather it would have been easy for our fellas to say to hell with this let's get the bus back home!Instead they knuckled down and put themselves into a position where they were winning the game with minutes to go.Credit to Waterford for making a draw of it in the end.From our perspective im happy enough with the start of the league and im hopeful that we can have a good crack at winning a munster title.Anyone who thinks Waterford are an easy proposition can think again.They are very strong from positions from 1-9 and they have a fair few promising forwards as well.It's look like there is life after John Mullane after all!
While I have great time for Muller, I can't help but feel theres a whole new lease of life in the forwards,maybe it's the fact that the no.13 is no longer a foregone conclusion,and I have to saw prender is best i ever seen him.
While the last 5 years were amazing ,I like the fact that there is a changing lineup and real competition,not to mention the use of highball has improved 10fold0 -
seananigans wrote: »While I have great time for Muller, I can't help but feel theres a whole new lease of life in the forwards,maybe it's the fact that the no.13 is no longer a foregone conclusion,and I have to saw prender is best i ever seen him.
While the last 5 years were amazing ,I like the fact that there is a changing lineup and real competition,not to mention the use of highball has improved 10fold
The ball into the forwards was always the main issue we had under Davy. We can say what we like about the forwards, but they have to be given the chance to contest it at least. Seems to be imrpoving now though as there's smarter use of possession, and even the inter play in the forwards is really good. Up against the two best defences in the next two games, it will be interesting to see how much change we get out of them.0 -
Tramore were playing on Sunday as were John Mitchel's, Rathgormack and Kilmacthomas and I believe trials were held later that day .... could have something to do with it. Also it looks like 13/15 are from the west (I stand to be corrected on that). It's clearly an issue with how the whole process is carried out and not the fault of any of the clubs; the fact that they won't even have trained prior to the Munster championship is testament to this. When you look at last year's result (WATERFORD 1-4 V 4-26 KERRY) is it any wonder that people would be reluctant to play with such poor preparation again?
Edit: Just looking at the odds on Paddy Power - Tipp are 1/50 for the win, says it all really.
There were no players from the east even contacted for the trial, only those eastern that were already on the senior panel. Even players who played last year were not asked to the trial. Eamon Cahill of Rathgormack who is a fantastic goalkeeper was not asked even though he is a senior goalkeeper and also apart of the Rathgormack u21 team that will contest this years county final. Very political.0 -
tramoreabu wrote: »There were no players from the east even contacted for the trial, only those eastern that were already on the senior panel. Even players who played last year were not asked to the trial. Eamon Cahill of Rathgormack who is a fantastic goalkeeper was not asked even though he is a senior goalkeeper and also apart of the Rathgormack u21 team that will contest this years county final. Very political.
Sounds pretty awful because those Rathgormack lads would be good. Didn't realize there was anything like that considering Gavin Nugent is on it. Bad form, I wonder could they have done any worse than this if they actually made a plan on how to organize this team as badly as they possibly could!0 -
Mountainlad wrote: »The ball into the forwards was always the main issue we had under Davy. We can say what we like about the forwards, but they have to be given the chance to contest it at least. Seems to be imrpoving now though as there's smarter use of possession, and even the inter play in the forwards is really good. Up against the two best defences in the next two games, it will be interesting to see how much change we get out of them.
I had great time for Davy, but i also had probnlems with him,I found him passionate and driven,but limited
I also felt he was too slow to change, he would come up with a game plan,fair enough if we needed an edge,but if it didnt work, he would stick wit it for a lot loner than he should,no plan b, whether he was sussed or not,he ploughed on.
the other thing was he never made sube until they were too late, he seemed to have more respect for the ego of his plan than the match day conditions .0 -
Mountainlad wrote: »Sounds pretty awful because those Rathgormack lads would be good. Didn't realize there was anything like that considering Gavin Nugent is on it. Bad form, I wonder could they have done any worse than this if they actually made a plan on how to organize this team as badly as they possibly could!
Yes they beat my own in the eastern final just last week. We were a bit unlucky to be fair and had we not had injuries we would have been closer. But that's not to take away from them that they have some very good players capable of playing at u21 county level, as do Tramore. Both clubs have represented the county well at underage over the past few years and the fact that they weren't even acknowledged this year was a disgrace.0 -
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What did people think of Fraher Field on Sunday? One poster here has started a thread about it he is so enraged by the venue. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056900592
A lot of people here are fond of claiming it to be our best venue, but with nothing but grass banks on three sides of the field it's a very poor option if there is any rain. Seemingly standing in the aisles was an issue on Sunday.
I also read Jimmy Barry Murphy's comments that he thought the pitch was unplayable, Michael Ryan mentioned standing water in places.
If this happened in Walsh Park we'd have lads saying a match should never be played there again, it's an aul bog with terrible access etc..
Whatever about the pitch, this posters comments about stewarding should be taken quite seriously by the County Board.0 -
seananigans wrote: »While I have great time for Muller, I can't help but feel theres a whole new lease of life in the forwards,maybe it's the fact that the no.13 is no longer a foregone conclusion,and I have to saw prender is best i ever seen him.
While the last 5 years were amazing ,I like the fact that there is a changing lineup and real competition,not to mention the use of highball has improved 10fold
Id agree. In a way I think its a bit of blessing in disguise that Mullane has moved on. Now the younger lads simply have to step up to the plate and in fairness youd have to say that they have done that so far. It was way too easy to sit back and wait around for mullane to do all the work and last year I think there was a bit of an attitude that 'mullane will be back later in the league anyway'. Also I think kelly moving on has helped matters. I dont want to be too unfair on him as he gave some unbelievable performances for us down through the years but the last couple years he was just a negative distraction knocking around the place who was just being accommodated based on past reputation. I know weve won nothing yet but the early signs are promising and its all about building for the future and to do that you need to rid any of the old baggage. Thats what JBM has been trying to do in Cork too.
As for Davy well Im glad hes Clare's problem now and not ours. Dont think hes a a very good coach he did ok with us for a few years with an aging team and in fairness kept us competitive during a period of transition. But I dont think hes the right man to have when there are a lot of young players coming through who need proper coaching and guidance.0 -
What did people think of Fraher Field on Sunday? One poster here has started a thread about it he is so enraged by the venue. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056900592
A lot of people here are fond of claiming it to be our best venue, but with nothing but grass banks on three sides of the field it's a very poor option if there is any rain. Seemingly standing in the aisles was an issue on Sunday.
I also read Jimmy Barry Murphy's comments that he thought the pitch was unplayable, Michael Ryan mentioned standing water in places.
If this happened in Walsh Park we'd have lads saying a match should never be played there again, it's an aul bog with terrible access etc..
Whatever about the pitch, this posters comments about stewarding should be taken quite seriously by the County Board.
Shur look, both Fraher and Welsh Park should have been sold years ago and a proper stadium should have been built when it could have been. They are both a disgrace and the worst in the country for playing surface, facilities, access etc.. Even fecking Leitrim have 10 times the facilities in Carrick on Shannon and they can barely field a football team. Wasn't there proposals rejected by the County Board for a pitch and stadium in Butlerstown or was it the now Carraiganore venue? Unfortunately Waterfords County Board are stuck in the 50's.0 -
tramoreabu wrote: »Yes they beat my own in the eastern final just last week. We were a bit unlucky to be fair and had we not had injuries we would have been closer. But that's not to take away from them that they have some very good players capable of playing at u21 county level, as do Tramore. Both clubs have represented the county well at underage over the past few years and the fact that they weren't even acknowledged this year was a disgrace.
This is really poor. Football in the East, particularly at underage, can be very good. It's bad for all concerned that there isn't more representation from the area.
There seems to be an extremely ignorant attitude that there is no interest in the game down there and no players as a result. The reality is that quite often there are a lot of talented kids who become frustrated with the structures around them and feck off to play other sports.0 -
What did people think of Fraher Field on Sunday? One poster here has started a thread about it he is so enraged by the venue. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056900592
A lot of people here are fond of claiming it to be our best venue, but with nothing but grass banks on three sides of the field it's a very poor option if there is any rain. Seemingly standing in the aisles was an issue on Sunday.
I also read Jimmy Barry Murphy's comments that he thought the pitch was unplayable, Michael Ryan mentioned standing water in places.
If this happened in Walsh Park we'd have lads saying a match should never be played there again, it's an aul bog with terrible access etc..
Whatever about the pitch, this posters comments about stewarding should be taken quite seriously by the County Board.
The issue seems to be more to do with stewarding. Walsh Park's stand is a little bigger but I reckon you'd have had the same problem there because youd have had the same stewards. Nobody wanted to be out in the wind and the rain and nobody wanted to be stuck in the corner.
How can you blame the stadium for the weather conditions? There was pools of water in the dugout, hardly affected the game?
The surface kicks the s**t out of Walsh Park's, there really is no disputing that. If the match was on in Walsh Park, it would have been lifeguards they'd have needed, not stewards because everyone would have been drowning.
The facilities are pretty much one in the same, neither are great. But the pitches aren't comparable.0 -
This is really poor. Football in the East, particularly at underage, can be very good. It's bad for all concerned that there isn't more representation from the area.
There seems to be an extremely ignorant attitude that there is no interest in the game down there and no players as a result. The reality is that quite often there are a lot of talented kids who become frustrated with the structures around them and feck off to play other sports.
It's pretty bad alright. In fairness, it does seem that this is the worst run team that we've put out. Shame for all the lads involved.
Dunno who the responsibility lies with, probably the County Board who presumably told the management there'd be no funds made available for training.0 -
Was present at the match as well on Sunday and would agree with most of the comments, it was a disgrace that people were left watch the match on the steps while blocking other supporters views. The stewards that were present wouldnt organise a few sociables in a brewery.0
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Mountainlad wrote: »The issue seems to be more to do with stewarding. Walsh Park's stand is a little bigger but I reckon you'd have had the same problem there because youd have had the same stewards. Nobody wanted to be out in the wind and the rain and nobody wanted to be stuck in the corner.
How can you blame the stadium for the weather conditions? There was pools of water in the dugout, hardly affected the game?
The surface kicks the s**t out of Walsh Park's, there really is no disputing that. If the match was on in Walsh Park, it would have been lifeguards they'd have needed, not stewards because everyone would have been drowning.
The facilities are pretty much one in the same, neither are great. But the pitches aren't comparable.- This pitch was subject to a large investment to ensure it had excellent drainage. If it is being described by Cork players as the worst they've ever played on, perhaps it's not as good as people make out.
- Walsh Park stand is a good bit bigger, everyone who was standing on the steps would have been seated quite easily
- The grass banks on three sides are not options for supporters. Walsh Pk's 'terrace' isn't brilliant, but it does at least have metal posts to lean on.
- Stewarding is clearly a big issue and needs to be addressed
Given that all the other messing that's going on, I think we can all agree that nothing will be done to improve things.0 -
- This pitch was subject to a large investment to ensure it had excellent drainage. If it is being described by Cork players as the worst they've ever played on, perhaps it's not as good as people make out.
- Walsh Park stand is a good bit bigger, everyone who was standing on the steps would have been seated quite easily
- The grass banks on three sides are not options for supporters. Walsh Pk's 'terrace' isn't brilliant, but it does at least have metal posts to lean on.
- Stewarding is clearly a big issue and needs to be addressed
Given that all the other messing that's going on, I think we can all agree that nothing will be done to improve things.
The last issue is the key one, and it would have been the same in Walsh Park. I don't think it was an issue with the size of the stand just people trying to get away with standing in the aisles if they could.
There's no allowances for the conditions there though to be fair, they're saying that probably with respect to how bad a day it was. Sure the rest of the country was hardly in pristine condition on Sunday.
It's still a much better pitch, investment or no. I mean that's a petty enough argument like, because I could make the argument that the County board invested in those rails where they chose not to in Fraher Field!
For the amount of games Fraher Field holds in a year it's pretty incredible, but the stadium itself is poor for an Inter-County stadium.
And I agree, the County Board probably won't be proactive but I'd say it will be a while again before they have to face a situation like that.0 -
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The steward's on duty at the game were at fault. Nobody should have being allowed to stand between the rows of seats as it is clearly a health and safety violation. The attitude of the stewards was appalling, to tell patrons that have paid to come through the gates to '**** off' or 'you know what i would like to do with you' is disgusting behaviour.
Our own county secretary holds up games to remove excess panel members and people from the sidelines to the stands before senior club games begin which is fair. But what happened in Fraher field on sunday is a disgrace and tarnishes the reputation of the county outside the county. It goes against the policy of removing excess people from the sideline when you have a situation of excess people standing on the steps in the stand.
What should be done next is for our county board to apologise to the lad that travelled from cork who was abused by officials on duty that day and for all stewards to be brought in and instructed their behaviour is not acceptable and in future to do their job if they are in a similar situation again.0 -
Who stewards these games? Where do they come from?0
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I dont think its right what happened but its hardly crime of the century either. It was an absolutely horrific day with the weather, as bad as you'd imagine to be attending a hurling game, wouldnt blame anyone to stand on the aisles than sit out and get soaked.So some people in in their seats couldnt see and had to stand. Boo hoo really. But of course the exit routes should not be blocked which is the main issue. And of course the stewards should be doing there jobs, but i can see why they may not have bothered with the day that it was. It wasnt like it was croke park with 50000 people in the ground. The guy who started that thread seems to be a bit of a self righteous moaner if you ask me. Its not like he paid any extra for the seat.0
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Who remembers seeing photos in all the local papers last year or maybe at the end of 2011 of some of these stewards after getting some certs for doing a course for stewards at games which was run by the Munster Council. I was in Fraher Field on Sunday and the stewarding was a disgrace. I think that the Munster Council should bring these same men and women back and take the certs back. There is one steward at Fraher Field, an auld one, who sits in the plastic seats with her yellow bib on. I have yet to see her do anything at any game i saw her at.0
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Would disagree with anyone criticising the surface at the Fraher Field. Any pitch would have suffered in Sunday's conditions. Very disappointing to hear about the stewarding issues...was on the mound in the rain myself but there certainly appeared to be an awful lot of people standing towards the back of the stand which couldn't have been safe.0
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I dont think its right what happened but its hardly crime of the century either. It was an absolutely horrific day with the weather, as bad as you'd imagine to be attending a hurling game, wouldnt blame anyone to stand on the aisles than sit out and get soaked.So some people in in their seats couldnt see and had to stand. Boo hoo really. But of course the exit routes should not be blocked which is the main issue. And of course the stewards should be doing there jobs, but i can see why they may not have bothered with the day that it was. It wasnt like it was croke park with 50000 people in the ground. The guy who started that thread seems to be a bit of a self righteous moaner if you ask me. Its not like he paid any extra for the seat.
Im on the phone and have had a lack of internet access the last 24 hours.
On your boohoo about standing. I was one of a few there big and bold enough to fight a battle. Is it boohoo to the 10 year old who stands and still sees nothing ir wgat about the individual in front of me there an hour prior to the game who had an intelluctal disability.
Im not atttacking you just making a point. Im in the terrace for all championship games so I have no issue standing. This battle was not fought out of my own discomfort.
Im not sure if it makes any difference but I was from a neutral county as the assumption was im cork based. I was there with my gf from Waterford.0 -
Given the amount of rain that fell all day Saturday and Sunday morning I thought Fraher Field was in remarkably good condition last Sunday. I don’t think Walsh Park would have been playable in the same circumstances. Given the conditions I thought it wa a very good game with a lot of good hurling.
On the overall balance of play Waterford should have won by three or four points. Contrary to what the Cork Examiner suggested, Waterford’s first half domination wasn’t due only to having the wind at their backs. They were working harder and winning the contests all over the field, but made poor use of their possession. They hit seven wides in the first half while Cork hit just three in the second. They also created numerous situations where a goal was on but never materialised for a variety of reasons including bad decision-making, poor attempted passes, good defending and plain bad luck. I think if Waterford had managed a goal in the first half the road back for Cork would have been too steep.
The early second half goal gave Cork a great boost and they did show the strong spirit that Jimmy Barry Murphy has instilled in the side. They also threw in their marquee subs including William Egan, Conor Lehane and Luke O’Farrell.
At the same time, Paudie Mahony’s missed close-in free was a shocker, while at the other end Waterford gifted Cork two points. The first was when Kevin Moran (I think) tried to hit a short sideline to a Waterford player who wasn’t expecting it and Conor Lehane nipped in to score. The second was when Stephen O’Keeffe made the crazy decision to pull on a ball which came into the square and sent it straight to a Cork player and we were lucky to get away with a 65 which Pat Horgan pointed.
This was one of two blunders which O’Keeffe made, the other being when he had plenty of time to clear his lines but opted to take the ball out along the end line where he lost possession and was lucky to see the ball going over the end line from a Cork player. This followed his blunder against Clare where his over-the-shoulder attempted handpass across his own goal almost presented Clare with a goal. I would be very worried about this tendency being shown by O’Keeffe to make poor decisions.
Waterford were also a bit unlucky not to score a goal during their late siege of the Cork goal.
Nevertheless, the great heart and fighting spirit shown by Waterford in the last two games has been heartening, as has been their ability to create openings through good passing movements. They also finished both games strongly which is a big change from last year.
I thought Liam Lawlor had an excellent game at full back last Sunday. I equally thought that Jamie Nagle was a weak link at wing back in the second half. He is unable to win ball in tight situations, or to drive out with the ball when he does have it, and he repeatedly gave Cork possession with poorly directed clearances. After a nervy start when he came on, I thought Paudie Prendergast did very well in the second half. Shane Walsh clearly lacked match fitness which cost us a couple of scores.
Jamie Barron was very impressive when he came on. His first touch was excellent and for such a young player he showed maturity in seeking to find fellow players with passes. Maurice Shanahan also looked sharp when he came on. Seamus Prendergast was marvellous while Brick Walsh and Shane O’Sullivan should also be acknowledged for their major contributions.
With Maurice, Shane Walsh and Paudie Mahony back to full fitness, Waterford’s ball-winning capacity and scoring potential up front should be greatly enhanced. If we can get Noel Connors and Dara Fives back to full fitness this will greatly strengthen our defensive options. Things are looking much brighter than we might have hoped at the beginning of the year. By the way, what is the story with Eoin Madigan, of whom I have been expecting great things, and David O’Sullivan? I believe that Richie Foley is out for up to four months with a groin injury.0 -
Giveitfong wrote: »Given the amount of rain that fell all day Saturday and Sunday morning I thought Fraher Field was in remarkably good condition last Sunday. I don’t think Walsh Park would have been playable in the same circumstances. Given the conditions I thought it wa a very good game with a lot of good hurling.
On the overall balance of play Waterford should have won by three or four points. Contrary to what the Cork Examiner suggested, Waterford’s first half domination wasn’t due only to having the wind at their backs. They were working harder and winning the contests all over the field, but made poor use of their possession. They hit seven wides in the first half while Cork hit just three in the second. They also created numerous situations where a goal was on but never materialised for a variety of reasons including bad decision-making, poor attempted passes, good defending and plain bad luck. I think if Waterford had managed a goal in the first half the road back for Cork would have been too steep.
The early second half goal gave Cork a great boost and they did show the strong spirit that Jimmy Barry Murphy has instilled in the side. They also threw in their marquee subs including William Egan, Conor Lehane and Luke O’Farrell.
At the same time, Paudie Mahony’s missed close-in free was a shocker, while at the other end Waterford gifted Cork two points. The first was when Kevin Moran (I think) tried to hit a short sideline to a Waterford player who wasn’t expecting it and Conor Lehane nipped in to score. The second was when Stephen O’Keeffe made the crazy decision to pull on a ball which came into the square and sent it straight to a Cork player and we were lucky to get away with a 65 which Pat Horgan pointed.
This was one of two blunders which O’Keeffe made, the other being when he had plenty of time to clear his lines but opted to take the ball out along the end line where he lost possession and was lucky to see the ball going over the end line from a Cork player. This followed his blunder against Clare where his over-the-shoulder attempted handpass across his own goal almost presented Clare with a goal. I would be very worried about this tendency being shown by O’Keeffe to make poor decisions.
Waterford were also a bit unlucky not to score a goal during their late siege of the Cork goal.
Nevertheless, the great heart and fighting spirit shown by Waterford in the last two games has been heartening, as has been their ability to create openings through good passing movements. They also finished both games strongly which is a big change from last year.
I thought Liam Lawlor had an excellent game at full back last Sunday. I equally thought that Jamie Nagle was a weak link at wing back in the second half. He is unable to win ball in tight situations, or to drive out with the ball when he does have it, and he repeatedly gave Cork possession with poorly directed clearances. After a nervy start when he came on, I thought Paudie Prendergast did very well in the second half. Shane Walsh clearly lacked match fitness which cost us a couple of scores.
Jamie Barron was very impressive when he came on. His first touch was excellent and for such a young player he showed maturity in seeking to find fellow players with passes. Maurice Shanahan also looked sharp when he came on. Seamus Prendergast was marvellous while Brick Walsh and Shane O’Sullivan should also be acknowledged for their major contributions.
With Maurice, Shane Walsh and Paudie Mahony back to full fitness, Waterford’s ball-winning capacity and scoring potential up front should be greatly enhanced. If we can get Noel Connors and Dara Fives back to full fitness this will greatly strengthen our defensive options. Things are looking much brighter than we might have hoped at the beginning of the year. By the way, what is the story with Eoin Madigan, of whom I have been expecting great things, and David O’Sullivan? I believe that Richie Foley is out for up to four months with a groin injury.
I believe David O'Sullivan opted not to be on the panel due to work commitments0 -
Everytime I see Jamie Barron I'm impressed and I'd like to see him get a few starts in the league to bring him on. I think he could be one of those special players that immediately looks like he's been playing senior hurling all his life despite his young age.0
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Richie Foley had another hip operation, out for 3 months, article in todays Examiner. Tough one after lats year aswell0
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