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General Fantasy Football Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭PopTarts


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    The clean up was far too excessive. Can't see myself using the forum too much in the long term if this is the way forward.

    I have to agree. I'm not seeing much benefits from it being here rather than the soccer forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    Yeah have to agree Mr Moon meant well but did too much cleaning up .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    The clean up was far too excessive. Can't see myself using the forum too much in the long term if this is the way forward.

    We have to agree on a set number of threads, and what they are...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Why do we have to agree upon a set number of threads?

    I agree with keeping certain talk within 3/4 threads but why is there the need to limit further threads being made?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    fpl matchday thread
    fpl resources
    weekly captain poll & team-talk chat
    boards.ie league standings

    thats 4 threads. i think that covers everything?? while tidying it up..

    thread 1 for matchdays and its busyness. thread 3 for in-between gameweeks chat. and the other two speak for themselves

    Would that be acceptable mr moon??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    manual_man wrote: »
    fpl matchday thread
    fpl resources
    weekly captain poll & transfer chat
    boards.ie league standings

    thats 4 threads. i think that covers everything?? while tidying it up..

    thread 1 for matchdays and its busyness. thread 3 for in-between gameweeks chat. and the other two speak for themselves

    Would that be acceptable mr moon??
    Sure that could all be encapsulated within one thread.

    Add the resources to the first few posts of a superthread and the rest would just take care of itself (latest posts would either be midweek or matchday related depending on the time of the week you access it).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    Why do we have to agree upon a set number of threads?

    I agree with keeping certain talk within 3/4 threads but why is there the need to limit further threads being made?

    just keeping things tidy... its good for the future of the forum (i think)

    i think it will help participation too if its a bit tidier... otherwise there'll just be a ton of threads which fall under the same basic topic...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    manual_man wrote: »
    fpl matchday thread
    fpl resources
    weekly captain poll & transfer chat
    boards.ie league standings

    thats 4 threads. i think that covers everything?? while tidying it up..

    thread 1 for matchdays and its busyness. thread 3 for in-between gameweeks chat. and the other two speak for themselves

    Would that be acceptable mr moon??
    Sure that could all be encapsulated within one thread.

    Add the resources to the first few posts of a superthread and the rest would just take care of itself (latest posts would either be midweek or matchday related depending on the time of the week you access it).

    hey i'm just trying suggestions to give it a more professional look... and easy to navigate. the whole idea of the new forum was to have more than the single thread, if you have any better suggestions come out with them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    manual_man wrote: »
    We have to agree on a set number of threads, and what they are...

    Why ? I don't think anyone should set up a thread just for their team but there is a need for different threads that deal with other stuff Aswell .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    manual_man wrote: »
    We have to agree on a set number of threads, and what they are...

    Why ? I don't think anyone should set up a thread just for their team but there is a need for different threads that deal with other stuff Aswell .

    let's be honest 99% of the chat in between gameweeks is to do with team talk (captain choice, subs, transfer talk). the third thread i suggested would cover basically all of this...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    manual_man wrote: »
    hey i'm just trying suggestions to give it a more professional look... and easy to navigate. the whole idea of the new forum was to have more than the single thread, if you have any better suggestions come out with them
    I'm not having a go or anything. Just trying to find out the reason behind why people want to limit the amount of threads being made.

    Personally I don't think it's easier to navigate. Tidier, yes? Easy to get the info I want, certainly not.

    I would have separate transfers, captaincy and gameweek threads. A resources thread.

    Then any posts that have long term value should be left as they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,306 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Personally I think he did a great job on the clean up there.

    The gameweek thread should include a captain's poll imo, no need to have a separate just for the captain. We want a busy forum and we have to let other fantasy sports have their threads on the first page too I think.

    One thread for rating teams is enough too. I've seen a few ones set up where people are looking for people to rate their own team.

    Setting up a thread to discuss one player(ie Ba, RVP, Shotton) is not on either imo. I think a general fantasy chat thread and a gameweek thread are enough.

    We could have a strategy thread too I suppose but I think that can be discussed in the general thread too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Personally i'm against a rate my team thread. i think the idea of a thread designed to help people you're in competition with is contradictory and stupid. a bit of healthy competition is what ff is all about


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    eagle eye wrote: »

    The gameweek thread should include a captain's poll imo, no need to have a separate just for the captain. We want a busy forum and we have to let other fantasy sports have their threads on the first page too I think.
    .

    No way . There should be a new captain Poll every week .
    If the other Fantasy sports want to be on the first page maybe they should start posting here .

    When we got this new Forum i was like
    theres-so-much-room-for-activities.jpg

    Now im like

    meh.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    manual_man wrote: »
    Personally i'm against a rate my team thread. i think the idea of a thread designed to help people you're in competition with is contradictory and stupid. a bit of healthy competition is what ff is all about

    I think most people are competing against friends and colleagues and not really against other boards members so i disagree with your point.

    As i said already its all a bit muddled, like for eg the guy who wanted to start a league with the 1k thread, that was completely separate issue to anything that should be muddled in here and was worthy of its own thread. If he posts it in here it gets lost. We dont need a limit on threads but id guess on average every gameweek there would be 5 or 6 new threads, this seems a reasonable number.

    Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    POKERKING wrote: »
    Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.

    Agree with that .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,306 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    No way . There should be a new captain Poll every week .
    If the other Fantasy sports want to be on the first page maybe they should start posting here .
    I didn't say there shouldn't be a Captain's poll every week. I just think it should be part of the fantasy gameweek thread.

    Other fantasy sports are not nearly as busy as soccer but would be on the first page if we didn't have a load of pointless threads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    POKERKING wrote: »
    Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.

    Agree with that .

    What's their structure, out of interest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    I think it's important to remember we're all new here. Just like how we, as posters, aren't 100% sure of what's acceptable or not when it comes to making threads, the mods also need time to find a structure that works.

    I'm happy to see all the "What about Valencia?/What about Ba?/What about RVP?/What about Ryan Shotton" threads moved, along with the threads people made just for their own team... so seeing them purged is definitely progress.

    Individual players can be discussed in a general thread like this - whether it's injury news, or whether or not they're worth having. Then anyone looking for advice for their team as a whole can use "Rate My Team".

    Saying that, one or two threads seem to have been "caught up" in the cull that probably could have been left alone. Shangri La's post asking for advice on how to handle a bar league, for example, is separate enough to warrant a new thread, IMO.

    Then the "Team News" thread from last week was moved. I would argue that it should just be closed instead, making room for a new GW TeamNews/Matchday thread (which I believe should all go into one).

    All-in-all, we've taken a step forward. So I say good job (for now! :p).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    Bale out of tonight's Wales team with an injury. Hopefully, it's just an "international injury", and nothing significant.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Gameweek 29 looks like being a full set of fixtures now. The only uncertainty is the Man City - Chelsea game which will more than likely be rescheduled within the same gameweek if Chelsea beat Brum in their replay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    Gerrard went off after 30 minutes with a "tight hamstring" tonight. Probably precautionary, but one to watch for anyone thinking about him for the double week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    This game has turned into a blood bath*. Smalling smashed, covered in blood, not being allowed to move by the medics while they get a stretcher.

    I was considering dropping him for Evans before... seems like I have to now.

    Phil Jones replacing him, so expect a leg break in 5, 4, 3...

    *Slight exaggeration


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Maggie McGaggie


    I don't see why there should be so few threads. It's about being able to access information quickly and engage in debate. Personally, i find the new lay-out too dense. I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies. RvP and Ba are important players in FF so why not give em a thread, what's the big deal? I thought of starting a thread of david silva yet i'm sure now it would be deemed excessive.

    Carlcon, you were the one who instigated this purge yet you want to keep a thread where you retain a personal interest + i see from the other soccer ff forum that you desisted from posting on ff until a separate hosting arena was provided for it. What is the point of this arena if the new possibilities are not explored? I'm not having a go but i think it's a bit much tbh. No offence intended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    I'm not speaking for Carlcon but I agree with his sentiment of FF only having a few dedicated threads which would cover the different aspects usually discussed regarding FF. (I myself proposed a mere three threads should be dedicated to FF)
    Reason being (to my mind anyways) is simple, its an arena.
    There are other Fantasy games included in this section, take the Rugby fantasy for example. Its not half as busy as FF, but imagine if the arena were to continue the way its going. If a poster (newbie or otherwise) were to visit the arena in search of Rugby Fantasy discussion, he/she would end up having to trawl through page after page of "RvP", "Ba", "My team" etc etc threads if the current trend were to continue. It would not be fair and would in fact be a discouragement to the fans of other fantasy sports to visit the arena at all, in my opinion.
    I think the mods have done a good job cleaning the place up, I wish them well in their efforts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    Carlcon, you were the one who instigated this purge yet you want to keep a thread where you retain a personal interest + i see from the other soccer ff forum that you desisted from posting on ff until a separate hosting arena was provided for it. What is the point of this arena if the new possibilities are not explored? I'm not having a go but i think it's a bit much tbh. No offence intended.

    To mirror what Panthro (who spoke for me very well) said, this is not a Fantasy Football forum. It's a forum for various fantasy sports. People have been making threads like it's going out of fashion, which isn't what this forum is for at all.

    It's a moot point to bring up my previous boycott of the FF thread in soccer, because that was as a result of the mods in Soccer being assholes (or at least one of them making them look as such) by not properly considering our request for a sub-forum in Soccer. Had this been that requested sub-forum in soccer, you might have a point, but it isn't.

    This forum is not... and this can't be said enough... is not what we asked for. But it's what we have, and I for one want to make the most of it. Allowing people to post new threads willy-nilly is not making the most of it, IMO.

    From a FPL point of view, this forum exists to allow us to take the old thread in soccer, and make it less of a mash-up. To do that, all we need are a small handful of alternative threads that cater to various aspects of the game - Match day/team news, captain poll, general discussion, and a personal team rating thread.

    To my knowledge, the intention of this forum was never to allow us to just post as many player-specific threads as we like, because that's just too messy.

    And I'm confused by the "I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies" point. It's significantly easier to keep track of 3 or 4 threads than it is to keep track of a dozen. So any hithering and dithering is surely lessened now? The immediate result of closing a thread might have been a bit awkward when finding where it was moved to, but as a whole, and for future usage, 3-5 threads are a lot easier to both manage and navigate.

    Remember... we went from having one single thread to having potentially unlimited threads overnight. It can't be said enough that we need to accept the learning curve that comes with starting a brand new forum. Jumping from one thread to dozens of threads can only be a bad idea. Let's try 3 or 4, and if they end up not being good enough, we can adapt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Limiting the amount of threads when the forum is shared amongst other fantasy sports is a valid enough reason (although I don't see these threads bursting with activity).

    However, it means a forum like this will never rival the dedicated fantasy footballs forums out there which I was hoping it might do. The current set up provides us with a linear form of chat which makes it very difficult to access the information that you are looking for / is relevant to you.

    But sure carry on with the 3/4 threads and see how it goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    carlcon wrote: »
    I think it's important to remember we're all new here. Just like how we, as posters, aren't 100% sure of what's acceptable or not when it comes to making threads, the mods also need time to find a structure that works.

    I'm happy to see all the "What about Valencia?/What about Ba?/What about RVP?/What about Ryan Shotton" threads moved, along with the threads people made just for their own team... so seeing them purged is definitely progress.

    Individual players can be discussed in a general thread like this - whether it's injury news, or whether or not they're worth having. Then anyone looking for advice for their team as a whole can use "Rate My Team".

    Saying that, one or two threads seem to have been "caught up" in the cull that probably could have been left alone. Shangri La's post asking for advice on how to handle a bar league, for example, is separate enough to warrant a new thread, IMO.

    Then the "Team News" thread from last week was moved. I would argue that it should just be closed instead, making room for a new GW TeamNews/Matchday thread (which I believe should all go into one).

    All-in-all, we've taken a step forward. So I say good job (for now! :p).

    "We" haven't really taken a step forward when the new forum turns into another big thread, just like what we had (but is pretty much no more thanks to this forum) last time. It's just a little bit worse because there is still other threads on the forum.


    You can try and make me think otherwise again like you always do with your big essays and what not but there is no right or wrong to this really, You have your opinion on the matter, just like everyone else does even if it's different to yours. I'll put it simply..... I think this forum is slowly going to become more of a disaster than what it was when it first opened. Terrible idea opening it, imo.



    In fact, I think this thread is the best thing about the forum so far. Maybe we could merge all the other threads with it too and have 1 big thread for the whole of FPL???? I think that sounds good. :)


    It had to be said and I'll leave it at that. I've made a bit of an attempt at posting on this forum solely because I can't post on the other thread... because it's dead. I'll try and keep posting here, but I'm always gonna prefer the thread we had. Oh! How it'll be missed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭Maggie McGaggie


    carlcon wrote: »
    To mirror what Panthro (who spoke for me very well) said, this is not a Fantasy Football forum. It's a forum for various fantasy sports. People have been making threads like it's going out of fashion, which isn't what this forum is for at all.

    From a FPL point of view, this forum exists to allow us to take the old thread in soccer, and make it less of a mash-up. To do that, all we need are a small handful of alternative threads that cater to various aspects of the game - Match day/team news, captain poll, general discussion, and a personal team rating thread.

    To my knowledge, the intention of this forum was never to allow us to just post as many player-specific threads as we like, because that's just too messy.

    And I'm confused by the "I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies" point. It's significantly easier to keep track of 3 or 4 threads than it is to keep track of a dozen. So any hithering and dithering is surely lessened now? The immediate result of closing a thread might have been a bit awkward when finding where it was moved to, but as a whole, and for future usage, 3-5 threads are a lot easier to both manage and navigate.

    Remember... we went from having one single thread to having potentially unlimited threads overnight. It can't be said enough that we need to accept the learning curve that comes with starting a brand new forum. Jumping from one thread to dozens of threads can only be a bad idea. Let's try 3 or 4, and if they end up not being good enough, we can adapt.

    I am only a John Q here but loved all the extra threads, thought it made the forum lively and full of banter. My main point was that i do not believe that posters will engage on smaller and specific areas to the same degree as they would on a specialist thread. I foresee many points being lost in the ether and maybe some posters becoming frustrated. I will continue posting here in any case..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    I am only a John Q here but loved all the extra threads, thought it made the forum lively and full of banter. My main point was that i do not believe that posters will engage on smaller and specific areas to the same degree as they would on a specialist thread. I foresee many points being lost in the ether and maybe some posters becoming frustrated. I will continue posting here in any case..

    I think that's the right attitude to have, in terms of posting here anyway. If you like more threads, that's fine, make more threads... but there must be guidelines as to what those threads can be. The vast majority of threads so far were definitely overlapping and belonged as part of other threads. But that's not to say there aren't other things that can be posted.

    Everyone will have their own opinions, but it's more than opinion that says that a new visitor will be totally lost if they look at the forum and see 10-20 threads about more-or-less the same thing. I think that's all we need to avoid.

    I don't want to make it into an "us and them" thing, but the "us" (regular posters) are in the minority here, and the mods have to make sure this place is suitable for the majority.


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