Banned for being "off topic"

Diogenes · 07-11-2006 9:58pm

DublinWriter wrote:

And how many fora do boards host?

The phrase about chiefs and indians springs to mind.

Funny the phrase theres a phrase which involves the words "You, ass, and elbow" and I think there's a "don't" and a "know" in there somewhere.

Leaving aside that Mods do this for the sheer joy of listening to you moan, and delete spammers and ban assholes, theres an absurd degree of estoric, and obscure forums of specialised knowledge. Lingustics and entomology anyone? Linux?

Complaining about the quality of a service you don't pay a penny for, is fantastically small and petty

secret_squirrel · 07-11-2006 11:10pm

Faith wrote:

PI is a very busy forum, and it deals with a lot of sensitive issues. Therefore, it is one forum where any form of off-topic posts are not tolerated at all, and will result in a ban. On nearly every forum, they're allowed to a certain extent, but not PI. End of story.

Ah to be fair its a little more complex than that. Even on PI the mods tend to average 2 warnings per thread before a ban.

The OP's ban was a little harsh given the time lapse but not undeserved. Having said that the whining sealed it for me.

seamus · 07-11-2006 11:17pm

Diogenes wrote:

theres an absurd degree of estoric, and obscure forums of specialised knowledge. Lingustics and entomology anyone? Linux?

Oh God, don't say that. The beardies will be up in arms...

oscarBravo · 07-11-2006 11:56pm

/wakes up, strokes beard

what's that you say? insects? solaris??

Faith · 08-11-2006 12:09am

Diogenes wrote:

Lingustics and entomology anyone?

Now, that doesn't exist. We do have a Linguistics and Etymology forum though!

Diogenes · 08-11-2006 12:44am

Faith wrote:

Now, that doesn't exist. We do have a Linguistics and Etymology forum though!

See this is why I avoid words with more than three syball...three syabl...
three silab...

This is why I avoid big words...

And why you won't find me on your smelly forum.

I don't even like lingiune or fish.

stooge · 08-11-2006 10:37am

Thaedydal wrote:

There are over 300 mods and you expect us all to think and act the same ?

No, but I would expect that you all act with a bit of understanding... and dignity....

Thaedydal wrote:

We are not civil servants, we are gifted the mod powers over the forums we mod by the grace of the owner of this site the admin who don't expect us to conform or set a good example all the time.

Maybe you could try though

Thaedydal wrote:

I think it is if some one has lot the plot if they even knew what it looked like in the first place and is talking out thier arse.

No need to resort to abuse, why not just make your point and leave it at that....you only required the first 4 words of that sentence.

Talliesin · 08-11-2006 10:42am

I do try to set a good example.

You're still a bit thick though, aren't you?

amp · 08-11-2006 11:35am

Talliesin wrote:

I do try to set a good example.

You're still a bit thick though, aren't you?

I can't believe you personally abused that idiot. You're setting a bad example to clueless newbies that talk out of their arse.

The Sweeper · 08-11-2006 2:12pm

stooge wrote:

No, but I would expect that you all act with a bit of understanding... and dignity....

Oh would you ever just bite my ass.

No matter how many times you rearrange the letters in 'moderator', you don't get 'doormat'. And nor should you. If you don't want one rule for one group and another rule for mods, you should understand that moderators have an active right to behave like any other user on forums that they don't moderate.

Mods have been forced into a position by posters like you where they actively believe that they have to set examples to other users through their own behaviour.

I understand many things.

I understand that for a user with 30 posts you have demonstrated a remarkable breadth of opinion on how boards.ie is run, whereas most noobs with less than 30 posts wouldn't even have found the feedback forum by now.

I understand this probably means you're a re-registration of a banned account who didn't get his or her way then either, so you're having another go.

I understand that reregistering to get around a ban is punishable by another ban and you know that rule, again an amazing accomplishment for a n00b.

I understand that people like you are squeezing every last gasping breath of fun out of these fora.

I understand that this thread has gone light years beyond the original point of the original poster and is now a platform for you to shake your multicoloured arse-feathers like the preening twat you are, and like most peacocks, you have a tiny, tiny brain.

I understand that some people truly believe that, more than being entitled to have an opinion, their opinion should be considered as holding the same weight as those of people who have been working at something for longer, through more changes, across a broader range of topics, into a great breadth of subjects and drilled down to a considerably deeper level of detail.

I understand that as with all things that are fun in this world, some bastard will come along and try and squeeze it into a shape that suits them, burn it to the ground when it won't fit and then piss all over the ashes because they think everything should revolve around them.

I understand that you are one of those people.

See, I can make a comment like that without it being a generalisation, because 20 of your 30 posts are on this thread, so I have a full handle on two thirds of your contribution to these forums and easy visibility of your contribution spanning your entire time as a user. You know - since you never had a previous account and all.

I no longer want to play nicely with the whingers. It is a thankless task, working to facilitate self-centred people who are kicking at something they don't understand. It's like holding the Rosetta Stone for a tribe of baboons to read.

Asok · 08-11-2006 2:28pm

517 posts.

regi · 08-11-2006 2:35pm

Next we'll be banning people for having 'too much personality'.

popebenny16 · 08-11-2006 2:37pm

matt-dublin seems to have stopped contributing to this debate which I guess means he's had his day out on feedback and whilst he might not be happy with what happend, at least he got an explanation.

Stooge on the other hand, I just done get it. For someone who claims to have read Boards.ie for over a year and who has looked up the league of bastards (why?) and has read the newbi charter and also knows about the rule of having re-registerd whilst banned (deep breath) you would think he would have read the other Feedback threads.

Threads where someone starts off on "Boards is not a Democracy" and "Mods are power hundgry bastards" and "Mods are staff and should know better" and other such like and the issue is replied to and delth ad infinitim can be found just by looking at the feedback threads for the past six months.

I find it hard to belive you havent read those, saw exactly what you are saying said several times before, read what was said to it and then start barging into this thread.

I dont know why you are doing this, apart from the fact that you like the attention. I mean, its not as if you are the o/p in this Thread, is it?

Oh and for the sake of Dignity I always put on a blazer when I post on the Doctor Who board, the string vest and y-fronts are reverted to in other fora. Just for you i am typing this naked whilst eating a pot noodle. If that dosnt show you a lack of dignity I dont know what does.

stooge · 08-11-2006 2:37pm

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

Oh would you ever just bite my ass.

Would you ever wind your neck in

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

I understand that for a user with 30 posts you have demonstrated a remarkable breadth of opinion on how boards.ie is run, whereas most noobs with less than 30 posts wouldn't even have found the feedback forum by now.

I understand this probably means you're a re-registration of a banned account who didn't get his or her way then either, so you're having another go.

I understand that reregistering to get around a ban is punishable by another ban and you know that rule, again an amazing accomplishment for a n00b.

Being able to find the feedback forum is hardly rocket science. The fora here are remarkably easy to navigate and the search button on the homepage is quite useful too.

As for your rant about re-registering, if you have indeed looked at my posts in this thread then you may have noticed that I said I have only recently joined having used boards as a non-member over the last year/yr and a half. Also, in case you didnt see, I said that I owe boards more than Ive given it so I'm hardly on here just to have a go at somone.

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

I understand that some people truly believe that, more than being entitled to have an opinion, their opinion should be considered as holding the same weight as those of people who have been working at something for longer, through more changes, across a broader range of topics, into a great breadth of subjects and drilled down to a considerably deeper level of detail.

ON TOPIC
This is the feedback forum.... If you don't welcome, and instantly shoot down, the opinions/view/recommedations from anyone no matter how long they have been a member of this site, then what is the f'ing point of having it?

matt-dublin · 08-11-2006 2:47pm

popebenny16 wrote:

matt-dublin seems to have stopped contributing to this debate which I guess means he's had his day out on feedback and whilst he might not be happy with what happend, at least he got an explanation.

I thought i was being banned for the advice i gave, i never even thought of the other posts until it was too late otherwise i would have just left it

Nevyn · 08-11-2006 2:47pm

stooge currently a lot of the mods are getting to the stage were they are sick and tired of being told how to behave ad what they should and should not do by people who have no idea the ammount of work they do or abuse they take from people who are snide and treat them worse then the person behind the counter at MickyD's.

Everyone who becomes a mod cam to boards.ie to contribute and have a laugh and take part in the fun.

And all of a sudden we are expected to be better, holyer then thou, model posters and no longer able to play with the whoopee cushion as we are setting a bad example ?

Also taring all the mods with the same brush when one of them does not live you to your prim and proper standards is not on either.

I have to uphold the standards in the forums I mod but I still have my freedom and decide to post porn in afterhours (again) then I have the freedom to do that and take my ban like anyone else that excerises that freedom as a poster.

We have even lost some wonderful people who have left boards or given up moderating as no one appeicated what they do and all they get is flak about how they are letting the side down by people who don't have a clue.

So you disaprove of how things are done arround here ?

If you have a vaild complaint it will be listened to if you are just going to have
ago at the people who voulenteer and get no payment to help keep this place running then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

FFS it is like telling off the life guard for farting in public when he has been saving people all day for no pay.

stooge · 08-11-2006 2:50pm

popebenny16 wrote:

I find it hard to belive you havent read those, saw exactly what you are saying said several times before, read what was said to it and then start barging into this thread.

I dont know why you are doing this, apart from the fact that you like the attention. I mean, its not as if you are the o/p in this Thread, is it?

From my first posts in this thread you can see I was just giving an opinion (apart from an off-the-cuff half joke about mods)and feedback. Most of my last posts here have been a response to abuse with a valiant attempt to stay vaguely on-topic (unlike some).

popebenny16 wrote:

Oh and for the sake of Dignity I always put on a blazer when I post on the Doctor Who board, the string vest and y-fronts are reverted to in other fora. Just for you i am typing this naked whilst eating a pot noodle. If that dosnt show you a lack of dignity I dont know what does.

I have no idea what you look like, but thats an image I don't think I like...

petes · 08-11-2006 2:59pm

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stooge · 08-11-2006 3:05pm

Thaedydal wrote:

stooge currently a lot of the mods are getting to the stage were they are sick and tired of being told how to behave ad what they should and should not do by people who have no idea the ammount of work they do or abuse they take from people who are snide and treat them worse then the person behind the counter at MickyD's.

I have a quite good idea of the work Mods put in, not just on this site but on others too. I agree that no volunteer deserves abuse, and I havent given any. I have however suggested that they could be better, its not an attack, its feedback..

Thaedydal wrote:

So you disaprove of how things are done arround here ?

If you have a vaild complaint it will be listened to if you are just going to have
ago at the people who voulenteer and get no payment to help keep this place running then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

I'm not trying to have a go or put down anyone on here (although some seem to be doing that to me). I felt a few rules could be clearer, a few mods could have been more understanding and in general they should lead by example (which would probably lead tro them being given less work to do in the first place).

I'm not perfect, and the day anyone thinks they are then it's them who should be out that door you talk about...

Nevyn · 08-11-2006 3:14pm

No matter how nice you are and how well you comport yourslef on this site and how helpful you are there will always be idiots that take offense or just cause hassle just with in the limits of the charters with thier impolite, rude and beligerant behaviour.

Just feedback.

That sound fine and fair enough, but when the same stuff gets said again and again when mods are just doing thier part and didnt' have a go at anyone it get tiresome fast.

popebenny16 · 08-11-2006 3:43pm

I'm not trying to have a go or put down anyone on here

Yeah but this

Mods, less of this power trip stuff and stop trying to make a name for yourself!

was part of your first contribution to the debate and

As for Gordons avatar, valid point by Matt, theres no real need for it. As a Mod you should be setting an example. If you think its acceptable does that mean we can all try to push the boundaries of what is and isnt nudity?

that finished it.

Later:

If youre gonna start banning people for comments made 8 months ago, youre obviously on one of those power trips I was talking about earlier.

As for the Mods in question (Gordon and Beruthiel) is it not a bit of a coincidence that they are firmly ahead of all other Mods in the "League of B******s"? Its quite probable they are having a competition and they more they ban they more famous they are...

wise up guys

No, but I would expect that you all act with a bit of understanding... and dignity....

Maybe you could try though

My problem with all that is that you started out on a tack, others, mostly mods, got very narked, and those were your replies.

OK, we're not doing this as a paid job, but still, it can be very annoying to hear the same sort of stuff again and again and again.

If I started e-mailing you or shouting in thre street at you that you're not really doing a great job wherever it is you work, how would you like it? The point I'm making is that starting your first opinion, ESPICIALLY after reading boards for a year, by saying mods are power mad, is madness, if you've been reading for a year, either you've noticed we're not, or you've noticed we are, and by god you're going to stand up for the little man.

The Sweeper · 08-11-2006 4:09pm

stooge wrote:

ON TOPIC
This is the feedback forum.... If you don't welcome, and instantly shoot down, the opinions/view/recommedations from anyone no matter how long they have been a member of this site, then what is the f'ing point of having it?

I'm giving you feedback.

Didn't you notice?

amp · 08-11-2006 7:20pm

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

I understand that this thread has gone light years beyond the original point of the original poster and is now a platform for you to shake your multicoloured arse-feathers like the preening twat you are, and like most peacocks, you have a tiny, tiny brain.

lol!!! Never leave boards.ie

/me wipes tears of laughter

Talliesin · 08-11-2006 11:34pm

stooge wrote:

This is the feedback forum.

And on a related note. This is the feedback forum.

If you don't have any feedback about things this site does/could do (not it's mods, the site), then why don't you STFU?

secret_squirrel · 08-11-2006 11:36pm

amp wrote:

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

I understand that this thread has gone light years beyond the original point of the original poster and is now a platform for you to shake your multicoloured arse-feathers like the preening twat you are, and like most peacocks, you have a tiny, tiny brain.

lol!!! Never leave boards.ie

/me wipes tears of laughter

Agreed. Post of the year.

The_Minister · 10-11-2006 2:43am

Thaedydal wrote:

And all of a sudden we are expected to be better, holyer then thou, model posters and no longer able to play with the whoopee cushion as we are setting a bad example ?

Actually, yes you are. I wrote this in another thread, and I think that it is relevent.

The_Minister wrote:

Breaking the rules, generally ruins the boards experience for all involved (even though it may be fun ) as it normally means that another poster has been harmed (flaming etc) and this fact is recognised by most users, if not specifically textualised. All members recognise a need for rules to govern boards, and all realise that those rules cannot be bent too far before they are broken.

I would submit that mods should be held to higher standards than ordinary posters, due to greater power that they wield. There is a large and noticeable difference between two 8-year olds that hit and fight each other, and a 16-year old that kicks an 8-year old. The younger, and weaker person, fears to strike back, and so becomes sullen and moody, or, reports that person to a higher authority. Children tell their parents, posters run to feedback. It is not through spite, or some temper tantrum that they do so, but rather because they may feel that they have no alternative, as the power balence between both of you is uneven.
This is why those who hold power must be gracious, and obey the rules, for if they break them, and escape punishment not through pardon, but through contempt of those restrictions, then they remind all those unable to break them that they are under their yoke, and cause those commandments to weigh heavier on all, so that they become not accepted norms of decency, but rather become impositions, so that rules that once were followed without rancour, are now seen as bindings. This breeds discontent, and is unfair on those who must obey these rules.
If a man in a village has sex with a 17-year old who is not his wife, then only his wife and the neighbours care. If that man is mayor, then it is a scandel.
Similarly, if a mod commits an infraction that normally would result in a siteban, say, posting porn on a forum that is on what is meant to be a family website. If I posted up such material, I would probably be sitebanned, but I suspect (I was not about then) that you were not. If you cannot honestly say that this, little quirk in justice, did not stem from your position on boards then you are approaching the WWM mentality, that all non-mods are your bitches to be insulted and shocked for your amusement. I am not suggesting that, that is how you feel, but merely that you are happily marching down that road.

DublinWriter · 10-11-2006 8:07am

The_Minister wrote:

I am not suggesting that, that is how you feel, but merely that you are happily marching down that road.

Very well put, The Minister.

Just My View · 10-11-2006 8:24am

The_Minister wrote:

Actually, yes you are...merely that you are happily marching down that road.

Bravo sir/madam. What a post. Very well said.

Beruthiel · 10-11-2006 9:36am

The_Minister wrote:

I would submit that mods should be held to higher standards than ordinary posters, due to greater power that they wield.

The only power a normal mod has is in the forum s/he moderates. They will abide by the rules of that forum and expect everyone who posts there to do likewise.
Outside of their forum they are and will be treated like every other poster. They can do as they wish as long as they realise the consequences of their actions. If they misbehave, they will be banned, like every other poster.

This is why those who hold power must be gracious, and obey the rules

This is expected from every member, not just the mods.

Similarly, if a mod commits an infraction that normally would result in a siteban, say, posting porn on a forum that is on what is meant to be a family website. If I posted up such material, I would probably be sitebanned

Well you would be wrong then wouldn't you.
If your very first post was porn, then you would be site banned for good, as that's all you registered on boards to do.
If you were a member of boards, you would be site banned for 10 days/a month, and allowed back in for a second chance. This of course is all dependant on what exactly was posted in the first place.

Some of you take all this waaaay too seriously. I for one do not have the high expections that you lot have for Mods.
None of us get paid for what we do.
We are Mods because we have been around a while and the Admins thought we would do well in the forums we moderate.
If this was our full time job with a salary, fair enough, it's not. We do this for the hell of it. For the most part it works very well and the Mods do a great job in their forums.
Boards is supposed to be a fun place to visit, you lot want to suck the life out of it.
Perhaps a walk outside in the fresh air would do you some good.

Banned for being "off topic"

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