Luas strike general thread (mandatory: read warning in post #1)

BS. What time was your car parked there then? Passed by luas line outside NCI a couple of times today.

Ok, can neither verify nor disprove as passed by c.13:30 and 14:15.

Would it be great if we all could be just LUAS drivers (or at least most of Irish)? It would be glorious for economy and we could save billions on education !!!

After taking over an hour to walk to work yesterday morning on the way home I saw a few people walking along the Green Line, so took a chance and joined them. Was a much quicker walk, there's a path along the side of most of it and its not possible to drive on the sections I was walking (Other than crossing it). Be handy if they put in an official pathway alongside it so could always walk into town that directly!

loyatemu wrote: »

there was supposed to be a walkway and cyclepath alongside when it was originally designed, but this was dropped for some reason when it was built.

Such a pity!

heres the thing though.

The govt. seem content not to intervene. rightly so too. the dispute is between the workers and transdev.
Transdev are losing out by the trams not running. so thats 90,000 commuters a day.
Lets say for the hell of it that 40,000 of those are return ticket customers, coming in at around 5 quid for a return ticket (just to keep the sums basic.)

so the 40,000 ticket holders, around 20,000 of them would have taxsaver/monthly luas tickets etc...

so of the 90,000 commuters, 40,000 trips are already paid for.

so 50,000 commuters at 5 quid a day is 250,000 quid a day that trans dev are down.

so the 2 day luas strike cost them 500,000.
The pay increase demands will be 6,000,000

I would assume that the drivers on strike dont get paid for the days that they strike so that would be another 20,000 (ive pulled this one out of my backside, how many staff are we talking here???) a days saved.

You could this with the bonuses that the staff are not going to be get paid, you would assume due to the strike, thats another 2,500 per person, so that must be another 300,000 saved this year.

All in all, the luas drivers will have to go on strike for 26 days in total before it starts to cost more money then the pay increase will be worth.

6,000,000 (the increase) + 300,000 (bonus non payment) =6,300,000
Divided by the loss of earnings per day
250,000 (ticket sales) - 20,000 (cost of luas workers wages on strike days) = 230,000

6300000/230000 = 27.39


so, after 27 days of luas strike action, who would your sympathy reside with? the las driver looking for 68k a year or the 90,000 commuters whose daily slog is extended by hours and the hassle that revolves around having one of the arteries cut from the capitals infrastructure.



I've not even taken into account how much this is generating for the economy through increases in petrol sales and the impulse purchases that commuters will be doing on the way to work, the increase in revenue through dublin bus, through new and existing commuters and the increase of usage on the dublin bike scheme.

so many factors to consider. im sure ive left a load of figures out but i think i have the basis right.

murphaph wrote: »

Yeah, an express cycle lane following the green line would make so much sense and relieve pressure on the Luas itself.

Having to relieve the pressure on a newly built public transport line shortly after building it, tells it's own story about planning in Ireland...

Bear in mind that the ticket revenue for LUAS goes to TII (formerly the RPA).

Transdev are in a contract with TII and get paid to operate the service. They don't get the ticket revenue.

Damn it.

so do they pay a % to TII of income or do they have a set fee.

If no income = no payment to TII then my point stands.

If €xx.xx amount has to go to them pw/pa then my figures fall apart a bit with transdev paying the loss. that puts it in at around 7 days worth of strike action covering all costs then. if the strike goes ahead next week, id be more worried about my safety as a driver on the luas then whether id be getting a pay increase. i can see bricks going through the front window of the red line from disgruntled commuters. wouldnt be the first time.

SO, WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER 6-8 DAYS STRIKE ACTION!

markpb wrote: »

Transdev get paid a fixed fee for operating the service plus bonuses for meeting certain targets. I'd imagine they'll take a reduction on the fixed fee for any days not operated at all.

Absolutely - just as the CIE Group have in the past when there have been strikes.

end of the road wrote: »

68k, 60k, 65k, 64k. i have read so many bogus figures in the last couple of days its actually not funny any more. they are not looking for anything near 60 anything k. the most they will get (and the most they are looking for) is about 10-15% in real terms.



all 90000 commuters daily commute extended by hours? no chance. a small few maybe but not all 90000.



can't be done. it not being segregated makes automating it prohibitive. health and safety as well. if it was doable it would have been done all ready.

Well if you really want to deconstruct it, it has an affect on 400,000 commuters daily, from as far away as Galway.
It affects the trains and how they operate due to delays of passengers getting on and getting off. it affects bus eireann due to the traffic on the roads. it affects the car users through traffic build up. commuting times, parking spots, changing schedules. it means the babysitter/grandmother etc... have to come over an hour earlier to mind the kids while the parent is at work. it means the guy that calls into insomnia on the way to work isnt going to spend his cash in the store because he is frantically looking for a parking spot. It means people weary and worn down from paying water charges, property tax, usc tax, paye, prsi, rnli and every other acronym have to get up earlier and get into work earlier to miss this ensuing malee that is Dublin city centre. so no, its not 90,000, its closer to 450,000.

The figures are there and written down in the public domain. not everyone wiklll be on the 60+K level but alot of them will. the increase they are looking for and the amount they are hardballing is very much real 53%.


The likes of the sky train in vancouver or the one in seattle are automated. it would take an awful lot of investment but for the hasle staff cause, go for it tf.