Luas strike general thread (mandatory: read warning in post #1)

Shadow1983

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Does anyone know how long the 47 takes from Pearse Street to Leopardstown in morning traffic?

LXFlyer

The 07:40 departure should get there for 08:45, and the 08:30 departure should be there for 09:20.

It might be easier to use the 46a or 145 to White's Cross and walk from there.

Shadow1983

Thanks a million!

cardinal tetra

Driving to work tomorrow and going to take pleasure in parking on the busarus luas stop.

Gardai have said no car can be clamped as the roads are private so only transfer can issue a removal. As they are on strike, they can't do anything!

Fill yer boots!

Free parking in Dublin city centre :D

Orion

You got a link for that? You're planning on parking at the Luas stop that the Store St Gardai use to get in and out. Good luck with that.

cardinal tetra

Fuppin watch me!!!!!!!

CramCycle

They are not all private but please post a pic of before and after.

Orion

In fairness he's right - he won't be clamped. The council don't maintain the luas lines. But that's where the "right" ends I suspect.

cardinal tetra

Gonna tear down by pats, over the bridge and down along the luas line to busarus , passing 2 popo stations and there's not a thing they can do about it!

CJ Haughey

Orion wrote: »

You got a link for that? You're planning on parking at the Luas stop that the Store St Gardai use to get in and out. Good luck with that.

Why is every thread turned into a court case asking for evidence.

cardinal tetra

CJ Haughey wrote: »

Why is every thread turned into a court case asking for evidence.

And then people complain because the world is falling in around them while they have been so busy about righting wrongs on an internet forum ffs!!!

Cowboys Ted.

Victor

cardinal tetra wrote: »

so only transfer can issue a removal.

What does this mean in standard English?

syklops

CJ Haughey wrote: »

Why is every thread turned into a court case asking for evidence.

Apt username for someone disliking evidence. Or court cases. The answer is "A guy on the internet told me", is rarely a valid excuse for anything up to and including parking your car on the Busaras Luas line.

What happens if you park there at 9.30 and the strike gets called off at 10am. I would imagine the car gets towed.

What does this mean in standard English?

I assume he meant TransDev.

SIX PACK

Why doesn't Luas Management - train up 20 to 30 Relief Agency Drivers so when we have drivers going on strike holding the commuters to random. The public are not affected. Just a taught

Timberrrrrrrr

SIX PACK wrote: »

Why doesn't Luas Management - train up 20 to 30 Relief Agency Drivers so when we have drivers going on strike holding the commuters to random. The public are not affected. Just a taught

This is the first time the drivers have gone on strike in 8 years. How long would agency staff sit around at home unemployed waiting for a call to come in for 2 days work?

desertcircus

SIX PACK wrote: »

Why doesn't Luas Management - train up 20 to 30 Relief Agency Drivers so when we have drivers going on strike holding the commuters to random. The public are not affected. Just a taught

Why don't Luas management hire scabs? I don't know why, but I'm glad they don't.

Lord Nikon

Brave man parking on the Luas stop, or troll?

SIX PACK

What is hourly rate for driving Luas ?

swervring

Genuine question, does anyone know if they can be walked on? A few years ago when the Green Luas was off because of the snow, I know people walked the track home as its the quickest way, wonder can it be done during strike?

Victor

swervring wrote: »

Genuine question, does anyone know if they can be walked on? A few years ago when the Green Luas was off because of the snow, I know people walked the track home as its the quickest way, wonder can it be done during strike?

With street-running sections, I can't see anyone stopping you, but watch out for other traffic, especially garda vehicles.

With off-street section is would be trespass, there may be trip hazards and it may be unsafe when service resume.

hardCopy

swervring wrote: »

Genuine question, does anyone know if they can be walked on? A few years ago when the Green Luas was off because of the snow, I know people walked the track home as its the quickest way, wonder can it be done during strike?

If half the people decide to walk the tracks and half decide to drive on the tracks it won't end well.

zom

SIX PACK wrote: »

Why doesn't Luas Management - train up 20 to 30 Relief Agency Drivers so when we have drivers going on strike holding the commuters to random. The public are not affected. Just a taught

The problem is no only drivers are striking, but all workers there - maintenance, control, offices, etc.. etc.. Too many people to replace them smoothly and safely.

Anyway - I walked 20 minutes more than usual today just because LUAS strike - not a big deal (nice weather). I don't mind them striking - at least this gives government the reason not to bail them in future if they ask for it.

Valetta

Lord Nikon wrote: »

Brave man parking on the Luas stop, or troll?

Latter.

cardinal tetra

Just parked up outside NCI at 8.30 this morning. was closer and only had to be in the office there for a few hours. no clamp. no cops. no towing. was delightful. drove back up the luas line, over the bridge by hueston and out onto conyinham road and now hitting the N8. If Dublin could be like this everyday, i hope the luas never comes back.

MrMorooka

How did you activate the traffic light sequences to let you through at the junctions?

cardinal tetra

It was closer to the office, i didnt even think of it!

As for the lights, I may have taken miniscule liberties with regards crossing of junctions. st. James' hospital to Mayor Square in 7 minutes in Thursday morning rush hour though. pretty pretty pretty good.

cardinal tetra

It was closer to the office, i didnt even think of it!

As for the lights, I may have taken miniscule liberties with regards crossing of junctions. st. James' hospital to Mayor Square in 7 minutes in Thursday morning rush hour though. pretty pretty pretty good.

Captain Chaos

SIX PACK wrote: »

What is hourly rate for driving Luas ?

€17.50 per hour starting rate. Give or take a few cent.

cardinal tetra

Captain Chaos wrote: »

€17.50 per hour starting rate. Give or take a few cent.

so you could spend 4 years in college, get a degree, spend another year doing a masters, another couple of years on a graduate or job bridge programme. a few years starting on minimum wage and the bottom of the ladder before spending 3-5 years working your way up to a luas drivers starting salary. The sense of entitlement on these assholes!


Transdev are implementing a breathalizing test for drivers next month. that should be fun! NO 53% increase and 2,500 bonus on the Dole lads!!!! hahahahahahaha pricks!

LuckyLloyd

cardinal tetra wrote: »

so you could spend 4 years in college, get a degree, spend another year doing a masters, another couple of years on a graduate or job bridge programme. a few years starting on minimum wage and the bottom of the ladder before spending 3-5 years working your way up to a luas drivers starting salary. The sense of entitlement on these assholes!


Transdev are implementing a breathalizing test for drivers next month. that should be fun! NO 53% increase and 2,500 bonus on the Dole lads!!!! hahahahahahaha pricks!

And then, if you've been taking care of business and managing your career, you get to keep on going up the pay ladder. If you want to skip the 3 - 5 years, by all means apply for a LUAS Driver job or similar, but it may not be in your best long term interests.

Ultimately I bid them well, they do an unforgiving public facing job to a high standard (though it's obviously less complex than Bus or heavy rail driving / operating). They feel the need to withdraw their labour in protest, and I respect any worker willing to take those measures - particularly when their employer is private sector. A race to the bottom helps no - one. If you are unhappy with your job, remuneration and terms either renegotiate with your employer or secure alternative employment. Sitting in a puddle of bitterness hoping everyone else gets dragged down a bit so you can feel better about your lot seems a poor approach.

end of the road

cardinal tetra wrote: »

It was closer to the office, i didnt even think of it!

As for the lights, I may have taken miniscule liberties with regards crossing of junctions. st. James' hospital to Mayor Square in 7 minutes in Thursday morning rush hour though. pretty pretty pretty good.

this never happened.

cardinal tetra

end of the road wrote: »

this never happened.

Show me proof?

qb123

BS. What time was your car parked there then? Passed by luas line outside NCI a couple of times today.

cardinal tetra

8.33am - 12.02pm.

qb123

Ok, can neither verify nor disprove as passed by c.13:30 and 14:15.

cardinal tetra

qb123 wrote: »

Ok, can neither verify nor disprove as passed by c.13:30 and 14:15.

Why do you have to?

Its not Roswell new mexico or 9/11???

that i already gave the times i parked there above would suggest you are not exactly sherlock holmes tbh.

zom

Would it be great if we all could be just LUAS drivers (or at least most of Irish)? It would be glorious for economy and we could save billions on education !!!

Losty Dublin

cardinal tetra wrote: »

It was closer to the office, i didnt even think of it!

As for the lights, I may have taken miniscule liberties with regards crossing of junctions. st. James' hospital to Mayor Square in 7 minutes in Thursday morning rush hour though. pretty pretty pretty good.

All of the Luas road junctions give Luas priority over road traffic and are monitored by Dublin City Coucil traffic management staff. If you did make this trip you'd have been easily spotted on CCTV plus you'd have spent a long time waiting for a chance to get through

SIX PACK

Captain Chaos wrote: »

€17.50 per hour starting rate. Give or take a few cent.

Are they taking the piss ? Overpaid & under worked IMO
If they do get a pay rise then obviously ticket prices will have to increase aswell

Captain Chaos

That's a given seeing as they lost €700,000 last year despite passenger numbers and fares being increased.

I've noticed an increase in tram failures on the Red line recently too just months after Alstom's maintenance contract has ended. I was on 3 trams over the space of two weeks that had to be taken out of service out of 20 trips. I could be just very unlucky, who knows.

swervring

After taking over an hour to walk to work yesterday morning on the way home I saw a few people walking along the Green Line, so took a chance and joined them. Was a much quicker walk, there's a path along the side of most of it and its not possible to drive on the sections I was walking (Other than crossing it). Be handy if they put in an official pathway alongside it so could always walk into town that directly!

loyatemu

swervring wrote: »

After taking over an hour to walk to work yesterday morning on the way home I saw a few people walking along the Green Line, so took a chance and joined them. Was a much quicker walk, there's a path along the side of most of it and its not possible to drive on the sections I was walking (Other than crossing it). Be handy if they put in an official pathway alongside it so could always walk into town that directly!

there was supposed to be a walkway and cyclepath alongside when it was originally designed, but this was dropped for some reason when it was built.

swervring

loyatemu wrote: »

there was supposed to be a walkway and cyclepath alongside when it was originally designed, but this was dropped for some reason when it was built.

Such a pity!

murphaph

Yeah, an express cycle lane following the green line would make so much sense and relieve pressure on the Luas itself.

cardinal tetra

heres the thing though.

The govt. seem content not to intervene. rightly so too. the dispute is between the workers and transdev.
Transdev are losing out by the trams not running. so thats 90,000 commuters a day.
Lets say for the hell of it that 40,000 of those are return ticket customers, coming in at around 5 quid for a return ticket (just to keep the sums basic.)

so the 40,000 ticket holders, around 20,000 of them would have taxsaver/monthly luas tickets etc...

so of the 90,000 commuters, 40,000 trips are already paid for.

so 50,000 commuters at 5 quid a day is 250,000 quid a day that trans dev are down.

so the 2 day luas strike cost them 500,000.
The pay increase demands will be 6,000,000

I would assume that the drivers on strike dont get paid for the days that they strike so that would be another 20,000 (ive pulled this one out of my backside, how many staff are we talking here???) a days saved.

You could this with the bonuses that the staff are not going to be get paid, you would assume due to the strike, thats another 2,500 per person, so that must be another 300,000 saved this year.

All in all, the luas drivers will have to go on strike for 26 days in total before it starts to cost more money then the pay increase will be worth.

6,000,000 (the increase) + 300,000 (bonus non payment) =6,300,000
Divided by the loss of earnings per day
250,000 (ticket sales) - 20,000 (cost of luas workers wages on strike days) = 230,000

6300000/230000 = 27.39


so, after 27 days of luas strike action, who would your sympathy reside with? the las driver looking for 68k a year or the 90,000 commuters whose daily slog is extended by hours and the hassle that revolves around having one of the arteries cut from the capitals infrastructure.



I've not even taken into account how much this is generating for the economy through increases in petrol sales and the impulse purchases that commuters will be doing on the way to work, the increase in revenue through dublin bus, through new and existing commuters and the increase of usage on the dublin bike scheme.

so many factors to consider. im sure ive left a load of figures out but i think i have the basis right.

cardinal tetra

heres the thing though.

The govt. seem content not to intervene. rightly so too. the dispute is between the workers and transdev.
Transdev are losing out by the trams not running. so thats 90,000 commuters a day.
Lets say for the hell of it that 40,000 of those are return ticket customers, coming in at around 5 quid for a return ticket (just to keep the sums basic.)

so the 40,000 ticket holders, around 20,000 of them would have taxsaver/monthly luas tickets etc...

so of the 90,000 commuters, 40,000 trips are already paid for.

so 50,000 commuters at 5 quid a day is 250,000 quid a day that trans dev are down.

so the 2 day luas strike cost them 500,000.
The pay increase demands will be 6,000,000

I would assume that the drivers on strike dont get paid for the days that they strike so that would be another 20,000 (ive pulled this one out of my backside, how many staff are we talking here???) a days saved.

You could this with the bonuses that the staff are not going to be get paid, you would assume due to the strike, thats another 2,500 per person, so that must be another 300,000 saved this year.

All in all, the luas drivers will have to go on strike for 26 days in total before it starts to cost more money then the pay increase will be worth.

6,000,000 (the increase) + 300,000 (bonus non payment) =6,300,000
Divided by the loss of earnings per day
250,000 (ticket sales) - 20,000 (cost of luas workers wages on strike days) = 230,000

6300000/230000 = 27.39


so, after 27 days of luas strike action, who would your sympathy reside with? the las driver looking for 68k a year or the 90,000 commuters whose daily slog is extended by hours and the hassle that revolves around having one of the arteries cut from the capitals infrastructure.



I've not even taken into account how much this is generating for the economy through increases in petrol sales and the impulse purchases that commuters will be doing on the way to work, the increase in revenue through dublin bus, through new and existing commuters and the increase of usage on the dublin bike scheme.

so many factors to consider. im sure ive left a load of figures out but i think i have the basis right.

Carawaystick

murphaph wrote: »

Yeah, an express cycle lane following the green line would make so much sense and relieve pressure on the Luas itself.

Having to relieve the pressure on a newly built public transport line shortly after building it, tells it's own story about planning in Ireland...

cardinal tetra

wheres the financial benefit in that though?!

cycling. healthy. people. consideration. etc...

not worth it for the financial outlay to the governmment, they would rather you go play with the traffic.

LXFlyer

Bear in mind that the ticket revenue for LUAS goes to TII (formerly the RPA).

Transdev are in a contract with TII and get paid to operate the service. They don't get the ticket revenue.

cardinal tetra

Damn it.

so do they pay a % to TII of income or do they have a set fee.

If no income = no payment to TII then my point stands.

If €xx.xx amount has to go to them pw/pa then my figures fall apart a bit with transdev paying the loss. that puts it in at around 7 days worth of strike action covering all costs then. if the strike goes ahead next week, id be more worried about my safety as a driver on the luas then whether id be getting a pay increase. i can see bricks going through the front window of the red line from disgruntled commuters. wouldnt be the first time.

cardinal tetra

Damn it.

so do they pay a % to TII of income or do they have a set fee.

If no income = no payment to TII then my point stands.

If €xx.xx amount has to go to them pw/pa then my figures fall apart a bit with transdev paying the loss. that puts it in at around 7 days worth of strike action covering all costs then. if the strike goes ahead next week, id be more worried about my safety as a driver on the luas then whether id be getting a pay increase. i can see bricks going through the front window of the red line from disgruntled commuters. wouldnt be the first time.