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    #6692
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I took creatine today for the first time. Teaspoon or so.

    I'm not swole yet.

    Is it broken and will I get my money back?

    I'm not following?


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    #6693
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I'm not following?

    #follow4follow


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    #6694
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    #follow4follow

    Even more lost now


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    #6695
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I took creatine today for the first time. Teaspoon or so.

    I'm not swole yet.

    Is it broken and will I get my money back?

    You're supposed to do a line of creatine once per day for the first week to make sure it reaches initial saturation in your brain. We call this the "loading phase".


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    #6696
    Ekels
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭Ekels


    Preworkouts, folks. I'm thinking of attacking Bulkpowders and making my own.

    How does the following sound to people:
    Creatine mono 5g
    Cirtrulline Malate 8g
    Caffeine 300mg
    Beta Alanine 2g (not a fan of the tingles)
    Acetyl L Carnitine 1g

    Purchased as follows:
    Creatine Mono 500g 8.25
    Citrulline Malate 200g 24.98
    Beta Alanine 100g 3.84
    Caffeine 100g 4.49
    Acetyl L Carnitine 100g 9.99

    Total Spend= 51.55 with some of the bottom two and creatine left over

    Not too much of a supplement freak. I like a good preworkout (on cycles), then whey, creatine and the health ones.


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    #6697
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Have pre-workouts ever been shown to achieve anything that, say, water, sugar and a coffee don't?


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    #6698
    Transform
    Registered Users Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Zillah wrote: »
    You're supposed to do a line of creatine once per day for the first week to make sure it reaches initial saturation in your brain. We call this the "loading phase".
    post picture of you holding your shoe just to be sure also, makes it easier to tell if doing it right


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    #6699
    Transform
    Registered Users Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Zillah wrote: »
    Have pre-workouts ever been shown to achieve anything that, say, water, sugar and a coffee don't?
    nope


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    #6700
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Hi lads/ladies,
    I've got my hands on some protein bars that a friend had left over from some "diet". These are made for this diet program. Having a look at the ingredients, would they be ok for me to eat instead of buying quest bars. I've about 20 of these so I'd like to use them rather than throw them away


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    #6701
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,133 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Hi lads/ladies,
    I've got my hands on some protein bars that a friend had left over from some "diet". These are made for this diet program. Having a look at the ingredients, would they be ok for me to eat instead of buying quest bars. I've about 20 of these so I'd like to use them rather than throw them away

    They aren't great in terms of food quality. Macros aren't terrible, 15p/4.7f/16c, but the source of those marcos are a bit meh.
    Soy protein isn't a great protein source afaik.
    Modified corn starch, fractioned palm oil, corn syrup, soy lecithin = not great ingredients, very processed.
    The peanut coating is sugar and oil, with a bit of peanut thrown in. Obviously not great.

    But that said, it's only 160 cals per bar, which is about 1% of your weekly energy needs (per bar). So even if you ate 5 bars a week (a lot), its only 5% of your intake. There are far more important parts of your diet to worry about.
    Food quality is important (after total calories, and macros are addressed), but the 3 main meal you eat all week (75%) are way more important than some incidental protein bars (<5%).
    I’m a believer in not wasting food, so I’d eat them (over a few weeks) and not worry too much. But I wouldn’t buy them again. Get a better option, or better again make your own.


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    #6702
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Anyone any new codes for myprotein?


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    #6703
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Anyone any new codes for myprotein?

    If you sign up to their website they'll send you every code you'll ever need.


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    #6704
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    If you sign up to their website they'll send you every code you'll ever need.

    I have signed up to the newsletter. No codes coming through unfortunately


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    #6705
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    so are amino acid supplements pointless as you should be getting enough from all the protein you eat anyway? Or is there a purpose to getting more?


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    #6706
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    so are amino acid supplements pointless as you should be getting enough from all the protein you eat anyway? Or is there a purpose to getting more?

    Depends. You talking abut EEAs or BCAAs?

    The impact of BCAAs is limited by the least available EEA. If your EEAs are in short supply, then you're wasting your money.

    The way around that is to get a good BCAAA supp, which would have a decent portion of BCAAs and you would get a bit of a boost to protein synthesis over and above that which you would get from whole protein consumption.

    But, all of this is predicated on a lot of the fundamentals being in place in the first place. It can have an anti-fatigue benefit if you're training fasted but that seems to apply more to untrained people. If you've trained for any period of time, you're likely to be more resistant to fatigue.

    [/as i understand it]


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    #6707
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I was thinking you get enough EEAs from the raw protein you eat anyway, to get the RDA anyway. i was wondering if there is an advantage to getting more in particular of any one over this base amount needed. So really I don't think it's possioble to have EEAs in short supply unless your protein is in short supply.

    For BCAA, I was wondering what do they aid in in general. How do you mean a boost to synthesis?
    The fatigue thing isn't an issue anyway. I was thinking they are essentially for fasting people and do not aid with anything if you eat regularly.

    IS BCAAA a thing or a typo?


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    #6708
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    I was thinking you get enough EEAs from the raw protein you eat anyway, to get the RDA anyway. i was wondering if there is an advantage to getting more in particular of any one over this base amount needed. So really I don't think it's possioble to have EEAs in short supply unless your protein is in short supply.

    For BCAA, I was wondering what do they aid in in general. How do you mean a boost to synthesis?
    The fatigue thing isn't an issue anyway. I was thinking they are essentially for fasting people and do not aid with anything if you eat regularly.

    IS BCAAA a thing or a typo?

    It's a sausage-fingered typo.

    Yes, you're right about EEAs being in short supply if you're not getting enough protein.

    Boost protein synthesis, which is essentially the building of muscle.

    If you take BCAAs in isolation you probably won't get any additional benefit.

    Long story short - I'd save your money. If you have everything else nailed on then you might consider it but I'm not sure how noticeable it's likely to be.


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    #6709
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,747 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Can anyone reccomend a cheap whey protein I can buy?
    Holland and Barrett do a 900g tub, buy one get one free so basically it's 1800g for €55. How does that compare to others?


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    #6710
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Can anyone reccomend a cheap whey protein I can buy?
    Holland and Barrett do a 900g tub, buy one get one free so basically it's 1800g for €55. How does that compare to others?

    €36 for 2.5kg on MyProtein


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    #6711
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Can anyone reccomend a cheap whey protein I can buy?
    Holland and Barrett do a 900g tub, buy one get one free so basically it's 1800g for €55. How does that compare to others?

    Always get your whey online.


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    #6712
    strelok
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    Zillah wrote: »
    Always get your whey online.

    only whey to do it


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    #6713
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I meant to add that the MyProtein whey has probably got a much better protein content than the stuff in H&B


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    #6714
    SpaceCowb0y
    Registered Users Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭SpaceCowb0y


    I Just got €7 off my 2.5Kg pure whey protein at Bulkpowders! worked out at 32 quid delivered!

    Discount code 20EAU - expires tomorrow


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    #6715
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Can anyone reccomend a cheap whey protein I can buy?
    Holland and Barrett do a 900g tub, buy one get one free so basically it's 1800g for €55. How does that compare to others?

    €55 for <2kg? No whey bro


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    #6716
    Ekels
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭Ekels


    Sale at theproteinworks.com also. I go for strawberry flavour and I've had both TPW and Bulkpowders. Find TPW's much tastier and it's €53 for a 4kg bag at the moment.


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    #6717
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,568 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    SpaceCowb0y wrote: »
    I Just got €7 off my 2.5Kg pure whey protein at Bulkpowders! worked out at 32 quid delivered!

    Discount code 20EAU - expires tomorrow

    They do some good deals!

    My last 2 transactions with them netted me 8.5kg of whey for €90


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    #6718
    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Ekels wrote: »
    Sale at theproteinworks.com also. I go for strawberry flavour and I've had both TPW and Bulkpowders. Find TPW's much tastier and it's €53 for a 4kg bag at the moment.

    I'm one of those mad people who likes different flavours so always pay extra for the 1kg bags :o:o But even then the bulk suppliers prices are decent.


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    #6719
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yeah I love their site. I've used it twice and got 10kg of pea protein for 65e including shipping. Also have loyalty points and referrals to use so that is pretty sweet.


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    #6720
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Yeah I love their site. I've used it twice and got 10kg of pea protein for 65e including shipping. Also have loyalty points and referrals to use so that is pretty sweet.

    They would have to pay me 65e to accept pea protein ever again.


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    #6721
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yeah I tried it with water, NEVER again. Luckily all I generally taste is peanut butter and cocao in everything I drink :D


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