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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,880 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Tempted to download, but have the special edition prerodered so will wait and play both of them then. So should have it in less than 3 weeks.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,544 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    It really is the game that should cause the "But It's All About Mario Reheats" crew shut the fup up once and for all.
    All the while they message, tweet and email about the next COD, Battlefield, Forza and GT with no concept of irony whatsoever.
    So don't play Bayonetta 2, it's just more fun for the rest of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    Come on a port to Xbox One / PS4 here is my money €€€€


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    calex71 wrote: »
    Come on a port to Xbox One / PS4 here is my money €€€€

    Never happening, Nintendo financed the game, plus you have the Arwing sequence and Nintendo themed costumes. Without Nintendo the game wouldn't have been made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 205 ✭✭LiamKK1982


    Just to let ye know Player1.ie has both versions of the game although like me you probably want the special edition.
    http://www.player1.ie/store/p302/Bayonetta_2_%26_1_Special_Edition.html


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Question, will this work without the gamepad? :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Question, will this work without the gamepad? :/

    Yes, Bayonetta works with the pro pad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Got around to playing the demo today, the temptation was just too much, but now much more excited about the 24th.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,206 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Not going near the demo, hate playing sections out of context like that when I know I'm going to play the game anyway. From my perspective, I don't think there's a safer bet (ie will most definitely play as soon as reasonably possible) in gaming than Bayonetta 2 ;)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So jealous of WiiU owners. I hope this gets the sales it deserves.
    It's Getting some stellar reviews this morning;

    Gamespot slapping it with a 10/10 :eek:

    *Edit* IGN - 9.5


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Picked up the WiiU on Friday.

    Still two weeks to wait till launch.

    'Saaaaaaaaaaaake.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭panevthe3rd


    gizmo wrote: »
    Picked up the WiiU on Friday.

    Still two weeks to wait till launch.

    'Saaaaaaaaaaaake.

    Try "wonderful 101" while you wait. A platinum classic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Try "wonderful 101" while you wait. A platinum classic.
    It's very high on my list alright but I'm using the next two weeks to clear some more of my backlog before the WiiU binge begins. :o

    From the Kotaku review...
    This sequel's combat feel comes across as an evolution of not just what it's predecessor did, but also as the sharpest edge of game design that puts solo skill-based action above all else.
    Not only exactly what I wanted to hear but also possibly the greatest compliment one could pay such a game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭richymcdermott


    Polygon review gave me the biggest migraine Headache I had in quite sometime and I am just recovered from sickness in the last couple of days -_-


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Polygon review gave me the biggest migraine Headache I had in quite sometime and I am just recovered from sickness in the last couple of days -_-

    Gave me a good laugh. WTF, were they expecting with a Bayonetta game, exactly? Seriously they have lost the plot imho.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,544 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Not going near the demo, hate playing sections out of context like that when I know I'm going to play the game anyway. From my perspective, I don't think there's a safer bet (ie will most definitely play as soon as reasonably possible) in gaming than Bayonetta 2 ;)

    From what I can see it's the prologue of the game, so safe to dip into.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Polygon review gave me the biggest migraine Headache I had in quite sometime and I am just recovered from sickness in the last couple of days -_-

    The same bull****e from this website. Unbelievable. Again they use the 'hyper-sexualised' doozy


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Polygon review gave me the biggest migraine Headache I had in quite sometime and I am just recovered from sickness in the last couple of days -_-
    Not a fan of Gies reviews and the Bayonetta 2 one sure as hell isn't going to change that.

    That being said, it does provide a perfect example of how one reviewers opinion can colour both the body of the review and accompanying score and why it's so important to not just rely on one site or reviewer for info on a game. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭blag


    Not going near the demo, hate playing sections out of context like that when I know I'm going to play the game anyway. From my perspective, I don't think there's a safer bet (ie will most definitely play as soon as reasonably possible) in gaming than Bayonetta 2 ;)

    It's a game played for the combat, not a whole lot to take out of context :p
    I played the demo a few times over the weekend and loved every second of it, great to hear the ring of those pure platinum medals at the end of a verse again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    wes wrote: »
    Gave me a good laugh. WTF, were they expecting with a Bayonetta game, exactly? Seriously they have lost the plot imho.

    I don't see the problem. It's not like this is a copy of Hustler. It's a video game, it's on a Nintendo platform - and they are notorious (unjustifiably at this point) for their family image - and it's a flagship game that's supposed to have broad gamer appeal. This is not the 90's. Gaming is no longer the preserve of children and adolescent males. I don't think, all things considered, that they should be derided for making sure anyone looking to buy this game knows that they are getting an excellent combo-driven combat game that comes with mandatory virtual lapdances. I can see how it would be jarring. Hell, I'm reading that review and wondering how comfortable playing this with my wife on the other end of the couch is going to be, and having second thoughts about my pre-order. And also coming up with costume suggestions for her for halloween.

    Bear in mind, Bayonetta didn't get a Ninty release. I know most people on boards don't want to accept it but there are people who don't own 2 or 3 consoles from each generation. There are people who were committed and bound to the Wii and missed out on Bayonetta along with a lot of GTAs, Uncharteds and Halos. And they don't necessarily know what they're letting themselves in for. Because they haven't looked at the glorious spandex-clad arse shot on the cover.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Banjo wrote: »
    I don't see the problem. It's not like this is a copy of Hustler. It's a video game, it's on a Nintendo platform - and they are notorious (unjustifiably at this point) for their family image - and it's a flagship game that's supposed to have broad gamer appeal. This is not the 90's. Gaming is no longer the preserve of children and adolescent males. I don't think, all things considered, that they should be derided for making sure anyone looking to buy this game knows that they are getting an excellent combo-driven combat game that comes with mandatory virtual lapdances. I can see how it would be jarring. Hell, I'm reading that review and wondering how comfortable playing this with my wife on the other end of the couch is going to be, and having second thoughts about my pre-order. And also coming up with costume suggestions for her for halloween.

    Bear in mind, Bayonetta didn't get a Ninty release. I know most people on boards don't want to accept it but there are people who don't own 2 or 3 consoles from each generation. There are people who were committed and bound to the Wii and missed out on Bayonetta along with a lot of GTAs, Uncharteds and Halos. And they don't necessarily know what they're letting themselves in for. Because they haven't looked at the glorious spandex-clad arse shot on the cover.
    You're not the only one to be fair. After much convincing I eventually got a colleague in work to play it earlier in the year. Even after relenting he still waited until the missus was away for a weekend because he reckoned he'd feel embarrassed playing it around her.

    That being said, he still loved it and will be adopting the same approach for the sequel. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    All very favourable reviews except for the last two, the wait is gonna kill me.
    GameSpot - 10

    Bayonetta 2's combat is so expertly constructed, and its presentation so joyously insane, that you'd have to try so very hard to get bored of it all. In a year filled with the promise of ever more elaborate experiences on all the shiny new hardware, that Bayonetta 2--a homage to classic game design and escapism--should be the most fun I've had playing a game all year is unexpected. But maybe it shouldn't have been. After all, its predecessor still stands as one of the finest games of its genre. To have surpassed that with Bayonetta 2, and to have created a game that will be remembered as an absolute classic, is nothing short of astonishing.

    Edge - 10

    Sega's loss is Nintendo's gain: Bayonetta, twirling away from a gigantic demon's maw and smacking the highest choir of angels on the nose, has just given Wii U its first true classic.

    Eurogamer Germany - 10

    Buy it if you liked the first one. Buy it, if you love it. Buy it if you love video games. Buy a Wii U if you have to. Bayonetta 2 sings all its praises in a celebration to this hobby of ours. But don't make the mistake of not playing it.

    Destructoid - 10

    When Bayonetta came out in 2010, I thought it was nearly perfect. Four years later and Platinum hasn't lost its edge with Bayonetta 2. It's just as stylish and as fun as ever, and a must-buy for action fans who own a Wii U.

    Nintendo Insider - 10

    Bigger, badder and exquisitely better, Bayonetta 2 knocks its predecessor off its enviable perch to become perhaps the greatest action game of all time. From the word go, it will send your adrenaline into overdrive as you venture on a quest that will take you to the very depths of Hell and back. The plethora of unlockables promise to keep you coming back for more in new and refreshing ways, while Tag Climax suitably extends the experience beyond a purely solo offering in a richly rewarding way. Bayonetta 2 is game of the year material without a doubt, and a worthy purchase for any action fan.

    God Is A Geek - 10

    Intense, gorgeous and thrilling to play, this is Platinum’s best game so far. Nintendo have clearly had an input here, with a game that’s more forgiving for new players, but still has enough challenge for fans; all without watering down or compromising the experience for either type of player. A non-stop climax of excitement from the moment you start the Prologue, this is one of those games that demands to be played.

    FNintendo - 10

    Quite possibly the best action game ever made, Bayonetta 2 is a pure gem of wonder, filled with epic fights, perfect gameplay, a magnificent visual and sound environment and even a multiplayer mode which fits perfectly within the format. A diabolical masterpiece that no Wii U should go without.

    Joystiq - 5/5

    If you bought the Wii U months ago explicitly in anticipation of Bayonetta 2, congratulations, your decision has paid off in spades.
    Gameblog.fr - 5/5

    With Bayonetta 2, Wii U has its trump card: a queen of spades that takes advantages on almost every game of the genre and hits us right in the heart. It's an outstanding production, beautifully executed, with state of the art mechanics and ridiculously generous. And it can be enjoyed by everyone as its difficulty and handling can be adjusted. Definitely a beat them all no one has the right to ignore.

    GameXplain - Loved

    Bayonetta 2 is an utterly fantastic action game, perhaps even the peak of its genre.

    Kotaku - YES

    Just thinking about how the developers at Platinum will surpass the excesses on display in this month's release is enough to rub a body raw. Bayonetta 2's combat design remains robust enough to be a very strong main attraction. But any emotions stirred up during my time with Bayonetta wound up feeling shallow. I'm glad for those times when I kicked ass in a stylish manner but still found myself bemoaning the terrible storytelling I endured to do that. If Platinum somehow manages to shore up those failings, the next encounter with Bayonetta won't just be a pantomine of lust. It might turn into love.

    IGN - 9.5

    Every aspect of Bayonetta 2 feels polished and focused. At times, the writing feels ridiculous, but I still love how it plays. The superb pacing and combat are just that good. By the end I was convinced: This sequel builds on everything that made the original great, and delivers one of the most satisfying action games I've played.

    GameSided - 9.5

    Bayonetta 2 is what character action games should strive to be. Its excellent combat system drives home an intensly-intricate story that builds a universe completely discernable as its own. Platinum Games did an excellent job continuing the story from the original Bayonetta without losing a beat, transferring that pure essence of heart to the sequel 5 years later. With a deep soundtrack and marvelous settings, the art style makes up for minor shortcomings on technical and purely-graphical limitations of the Wii U. The added feature of the original game included in the retail package is just the cherry on the top. Bayonetta is back, and she's much, much more than just a pretty face.

    Wiitalia - 9.5

    Bayonetta 2 is one of the best action games ever released. Visually impressive, its relentless gameplay is fast and packed with tons of stuffs to do and experiment. This game is totally classy, and the first one included in the package is just the cherry on the top.Don't miss Bayonetta 2 (but be careful at the final boss!).

    Famitsu - 38/40

    Official Nintendo Magazine - 93%

    Cheat Code Central - 4.6/5

    It's absolutely a pure Bayonetta game, it's an absolute blast to play, and it absolutely belongs on Nintendo's growing roster of excellently crafted games for the Wii U.

    4Gamers - 91/100

    The queen of the action games is back. Bayonetta 2 manages to impress in almost every aspect with a combination of non-stop action, adrenaline, a bit of naughtiness and really responsive controls. The story and atmosphere might not suit everyone, but even the biggest pessimists will have to recognize that in terms of gameplay this game is among the best. With Bayonetta 2, the developers have succeeded in making the game very accessible for newcomers, while maintaining the depth of it for the hardcore gamers. Future action games will have a hard time topping this, because Bayonetta 2 managed to push the bar very high for this genre. If you didn't have a reason to buy a Wii U, then Bayonetta 2 is an excellent one to do so.

    Game Informer - 9

    Creating a sequel to an already-polished game is a challenge, but Platinum Games’ approach ultimately succeeds. Bayonetta 2 is rooted in its past while taking steps (but not strides) toward the future. Though I was disappointed by some of the familiarity, I was usually having too much fun to care.

    CVG - 9

    Bayonetta's second adventure offers more of the same peerless action mechanics, barmy spectacle and wonderful depth.

    USgamer - 4.5/5

    Bayonetta 2 is the high-flying return of everyone's favorite Umbra Witch. Platinum Games pushes to the Wii U to its limit with fast action, magnificent vistas, and huge bosses. The addition of the original Bayonetta just pushes the entire package over the top. If you're a Devil May Cry fan, this is a must-buy.

    Metro - 9

    The worst thing you can say about Bayonetta 2 is that it’s still not much of an improvement over its predecessor, but even that supposed criticism still confirms it as one of the best action games of all-time. Creating Bayonetta 2 may not make much business sense but unlike most sequels today this isn’t a game made for the love of money, but for the love of gaming itself.

    Nintendo Life - 9

    Bayonetta is is a must buy for any action gaming fans. It's fast, intense and ridiculous, all with an entertaining story and a protagonist that is forever subverting and playing with her audience. It's pure Platinum Games, too, which means it'll likely be adored by its converts and ignored by too many — we hope that won't happen, as what we have here is one of the Wii U's best games, and a rare arrival on the system that's unashamedly violent, gory and mature, while still mischievously winking at the watching world. Bayonetta 2 is brilliant, brash and impossible to ignore.

    TheSixthAxis - 9

    Bayonetta 2 is amongst the most refined and dynamic action games to appear on any console, taking the best parts of the original game and building upon them. It is crazy, chaotic and characterful and a genuine pleasure to play.

    Digital Chumps - 9.0

    Bayonetta 2 expresses a meticulous devotion to excessive elaborateness of style and action. It's a calculated brawler that not only minds its rules with painstaking diligence, but trusts its operator with how to best interpret them. The delicate engineering of merciless destruction has long been Platinum Games' modus operandi, and Bayonetta 2 is the purest and most potent declaration of their intentions.

    Lazygamer - 9.0

    Bayonetta 2 is something new blended with something familiar, improved in every way possible. Few other games can top it for sheer audacity and ballsiness, and if this is the last time we’ll ever see the leggy witch, then she’s going out with one hell of a bang.

    NintendoWorldReport - 9

    Bayonetta 2 is one of the best games to ever grace the Wii U. The sequel feels tighter, less obnoxious, and is a blast to play through. While the Wii U GamePad is not used in any significant way, and Tag Climax could have benefited from local co-op, this is the action-packed Bayonetta follow–up that I wanted. Fans of Platinum's outings owe it to themselves to check it out and start exploring the many twists and turns along the journey.

    Eurogamer - 9

    Bayonetta 2's biggest disappointment may be that it's an iterative sequel, but it's not such a problem when it's iterating on genius.

    Eurogamer Italy - 9

    Bayonetta 2 is simply awesome. Platinum Games has done a great job improving their previous game, adding small details and creating a gorgeous looking new adventure for the sexy-witch. If you love action games, you can't miss this perfect cocktail of fun gameplay, great graphics and over-the-top humor.

    VideoGamer - 9

    Bayonetta 2 is a system seller. It's a Nintendo-published game that is rarely seen, and a game that will legitimately make non-Wii U owners jealous. It's everything I want from a hardcore Nintendo title, offering genre-leading combat and eye-popping visual spectacle. The fact that Bayonetta 2 delivers the goods is no surprise. Nintendo being the firm behind its continued survival, however, is a surprise we should be very grateful for.

    Gamekult - 9

    VentureBeat - 87/100

    Bayonetta 2 is surprising. Some of that is because it is an M-rated Wii U exclusive. It’s also because it is a good game in a genre that doesn’t seem long for this world. With everything moving open-world and online, Platinum is still sticking to it’s better zone. And it’s working.

    I don’t know if I’ll ever need a Bayonetta 3, but I’m certainly glad that I got to play Bayonetta 2.

    GamesRadar - 4/5

    Bayonetta 2 is sheer class. Yes, it takes a little too long to get going, given its length, but the final four hours are relentlessly, breathlessly exceptional. Granted, it's all just 'more of the same' with a shorter haircut, but we're talking about more of one of the best games ever made.

    Polygon - 7.5

    When Platinum Games is on, it's really, really on, and Bayonetta 2 is in almost any respect that counts a better game than the first, whose mechanics were already exemplary. But every time I'd feel on a roll, enjoying my time with Bayonetta 2 immensely, I'd be broken out of it by another cheap shot of T&A. I would be wrecking a flock of angelic or demonic enemies, sliding in and out of witch time almost at will, and then the special weapon I had picked up became a literal stripper pole for Bayonetta to dance on, because ... well, because, I guess.

    Game Revolution - 3.5/5

    If you’re an action gamer with a Wii U or even an older Nintendo fan with patience enough for Bayonetta’s Moon River remix soundtrack, then summon the strength to face this bad hair day with both guns up. Actually, make it all four guns up. Bayonetta manages to pull it off without tucking her ankles behind her head, though you might strain something if you try it her way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Banjo wrote: »
    I don't see the problem. It's not like this is a copy of Hustler.

    The game is very well known for what it is, so yes its not Hustler, its Bayonetta, and to complain about the fan service is pointless. Its Bayonetta, that is one of the things it sets out to do.
    Banjo wrote: »
    It's a video game, it's on a Nintendo platform - and they are notorious (unjustifiably at this point) for their family image - and it's a flagship game that's supposed to have broad gamer appeal. This is not the 90's. Gaming is no longer the preserve of children and adolescent males.

    Yes, and again Bayonetta is aimed at a specific segment of the market, so I fail to see the relevance of your point. A wider audience, doesn't mean that games that target adolescent males can't exist anymore, and its pretty clear what the market for Bayonetta is, and the market being wider now is neither here nor there. Bayonetta is going after a niche.

    Again, the fan service is part of the game, and its to be expected. Complaining that a game like Bayonetta is doing exactly what it sets out to do is imho silly. You used Hustler early, well if someone were to write a review of that, and complain about nudity, I would similarly find it silly.
    Banjo wrote: »
    I don't think, all things considered, that they should be derided for making sure anyone looking to buy this game knows that they are getting an excellent combo-driven combat game that comes with mandatory virtual lapdances. I can see how it would be jarring.

    How is it jarring? The only way for that to happen, if you had 0 knowledge of the game. If you don't want the fan service bits, play a different game, as clearly Bayonetta isn't for you.
    Banjo wrote: »
    Hell, I'm reading that review and wondering how comfortable playing this with my wife on the other end of the couch is going to be, and having second thoughts about my pre-order. And also coming up with costume suggestions for her for halloween.

    Ok, its a game known for the fan service bits, so I would imagine that it would be uncomfortable.
    Banjo wrote: »
    Bear in mind, Bayonetta didn't get a Ninty release. I know most people on boards don't want to accept it but there are people who don't own 2 or 3 consoles from each generation. There are people who were committed and bound to the Wii and missed out on Bayonetta along with a lot of GTAs, Uncharteds and Halos. And they don't necessarily know what they're letting themselves in for. Because they haven't looked at the glorious spandex-clad arse shot on the cover.

    Well, the old saying of Caveat Emptor applies, if someone chooses to ignore the marketing, the demo, the reviews, and the various information available about the game, then its sort of there own fault.

    Personally, I find it amusing that reviewer had issues with the fan service bits, its Bayonetta, and the reviewer knows full well, what kind of game its trying to be. To me it seems silly to mark it down due to fan service bits, and again to go back to your Hustler comparison, it would be equally silly for a potential reviewer of Hustler to complain about nudity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭richymcdermott


    I wont be able to get this nor any other release due to christmas coming up , weddings and birthdays , best I hope someone will be good to me this year and it be waiting under the xmas tree


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Played the demo for a while yesterday and wasn't impressed at all (haven't played the first one). Thought the music that accompanied the initial segment was irritating and out-of-place. The action seemed a bit too chaotic, felt I was just mashing buttons. Graphics seemed good though, though I'm not sure I dig the art style. Will wait to watch some 'Let's Play' videos after it is released but definitely not getting it based on that few minutes of play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    wes wrote: »
    Personally, I find it amusing that reviewer had issues with the fan service bits, its Bayonetta, and the reviewer knows full well, what kind of game its trying to be. To me it seems silly to mark it down due to fan service bits, and again to go back to your Hustler comparison, it would be equally silly for a potential reviewer of Hustler to complain about nudity.

    OK forget I said Hustler. That was, as you said, an unfair button-pushing comparison. (Although, in fairness, the first time I saw a Hustler magazine - which was back before the golden age of internet porn - I was pretty surprised by how far they were going relative to Playboy. But I digress...)

    Have you seen Tokyo Gore Police?
    I went in, eyes open, expecting an ultra violent gonzo bloodfest.
    But jesus

    I'm still disgusted with myself that I watched that film to the end. And that I enjoyed it. One of my greatest fears is that I will die suddenly and my kids will find the DVD and one day watch it and wonder what kind of monster I really was :D And I've a feeling I'll be hiding Bayonetta under it.

    Point being, it's possible to have reasonable expectations based on reputation and marketing and still be unpleasantly surprised. I for one am glad to see that at least one reviewer isn't afraid to voice their opinion, even if it's not popular. That is, after all, what a review is for...

    BTW - I'm old, so bear with me. When did "fan service" become an acceptable synonym for "ludicrous amounts of T&A"? It used to mean giving the core audience what they wanted, which I thought in this case was supposed to be the pinnacle of skill-oriented gaming? And a few nods to Nintendo heritage? I haven't played the original, as I mentioned, so maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree here, but is watching an imaginary cartoon woman prancing around in the nip the primary draw here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Randall Floyd


    I take Gies' point on the over sexualization etc. it was pretty over the top in the first game and by the sounds of things its been ramped up even more in this one, but its an integral part of what makes Bayonetta what it is, its a guilty pleasure. Giving the game a comparatively low score compared to other reviewers for that reason makes no sense to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Bayonetta sexualisation is tame compared to some of the JRPG's I have played, I hope Gies does not review Criminal Girls when it comes out otherwise he may feint.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,947 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The sexualisation in Bayonetta is played for laughs and is pretty tame in fairness. At least she's a grown woman as well. TBH if you find yourself offended at it and can't laugh and enjoy just how absurd the whole thing is, which is the point, you need to cop on.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Xenji wrote: »
    All very favourable reviews except for the last two

    Since when are 3.5/5 and 7.5/10 not favourable reviews?


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