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Kerry GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post #4167

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Eh? Cork's midfield is fairly dodgy in case you haven't noticed and if it wasn't for the patchy form of Maher Kerry would most certainly dominate there. As it is I'd expect an even enough battle.

    "Murdering" anyone in a league game means very little as I've said here previously.

    Buckley isn't exactly in all star form either though what with him having a lay off recently. Fully expect us to lose the mf battle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    Eh? Cork's midfield is fairly dodgy in case you haven't noticed and if it wasn't for the patchy form of Maher Kerry would most certainly dominate there. As it is I'd expect an even enough battle.

    "Murdering" anyone in a league game means very little as I've said here previously.

    Eh? Walsh is a sensational midfielder. Excellent in the air, a incredible motor, good tackler and two footed. Admittedly there isn't a stand out partner but Gould will be a match for a half for Buckley or Sheehan in midfield.

    I'd expect Cork to be dominant in this sector. A big caveat to this though is that O'Halloran's kick outs are poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    Eh? Walsh is a sensational midfielder. Excellent in the air, a incredible motor, good tackler and two footed. Admittedly there isn't a stand out partner but Gould will be a match for a half for Buckley or Sheehan in midfield.

    I'd expect Cork to be dominant in this sector. A big caveat to this though is that O'Halloran's kick outs are poor.

    ..and Walsh has hardly kicked a ball this year. His head is clearly in hurling mode, not football. I agree, at his best he is a great fielder, very mobile aswell, but he is nowhere near his peak. Don't let 3 scores against a tiring division 4 team fool you.

    Plus you've also correctly pointed out that O'Halloran (so far) doesn't look confident enough with the kickouts to execute with accuracy enough of the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    ..and Walsh has hardly kicked a ball this year. His head is clearly in hurling mode, not football. I agree, at his best he is a great fielder, very mobile aswell, but he is nowhere near his peak. Don't let 3 scores against a tiring division 4 team fool you.

    I don't see how he is 'clearly in hurling mode'. The schedule just worked out that there was a run of hurling fixtures.

    They've had 3 weeks of football preparation now so I wouldn't worry about him. In reality he's only missed a half a game of championship football compared to anybody else. Pretty confident he's 'at his peak'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    ..and Walsh has hardly kicked a ball this year. His head is clearly in hurling mode, not football. I agree, at his best he is a great fielder, very mobile aswell, but he is nowhere near his peak. Don't let 3 scores against a tiring division 4 team fool you.

    Plus you've also correctly pointed out that O'Halloran (so far) doesn't look confident enough with the kickouts to execute with accuracy enough of the time.


    I think the Tipp game will be of huge benefit to Cork - The kick-out routines fell apart v Tipp and in the 2nd half, Cork resorted to short kick-outs but Tipp open that door by going deep.

    Cork management will surely have worked very hard to avoid a repeat so we'll probably see less rehearsed runs and a combination of short and up the middle.

    Maher and Buckley lorded it in the 1st half last year but Walsh went to 11 for the 2nd half and drove Cork on from there. Alan O Connor broke Kerry's grip in MF. Maher's form has been iffy and it's impossible to say if Buckley is match sharp ( E Fitz admitted this)

    There's a lot of unknowns in this MF battle and it's really impossible to call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    I don't see how he is 'clearly in hurling mode'. The schedule just worked out that there was a run of hurling fixtures.

    They've had 3 weeks of football preparation now so I wouldn't worry about him. In reality he's only missed a half a game of championship football compared to anybody else. Pretty confident he's 'at his peak'.

    Cork played Waterford in hurling on May 25th, he was hurling for a month prior to that. Did all hurling up to the replay on June 8th and the 15th for Clare game. Would have done nothing but recovery the week after that, apart from maybe a kickaround. Played the Tipp game on 21st. May have trained the week after that. Then this week the team will have done little but tuning up...so in summation since April, he's had, I would estimate, maybe 1 full week of football training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    I think the Tipp game will be of huge benefit to Cork - The kick-out routines fell apart v Tipp and in the 2nd half, Cork resorted to short kick-outs but Tipp open that door by going deep.

    Cork management will surely have worked very hard to avoid a repeat so we'll probably see less rehearsed runs and a combination of short and up the middle.

    Maher and Buckley lorded it in the 1st half last year but Walsh went to 11 for the 2nd half and drove Cork on from there. Alan O Connor broke Kerry's grip in MF. Maher's form has been iffy and it's impossible to say if Buckley is mtach sharp ( E Fitz admitted this)

    There's a lot of unknowns in this MF battle and it's really impossible to call.

    Bit of a myth that if you watch the game again. Kerry went from 1-11 to 0-7 at half time, to 1-14 to 0-8 with 53 mins gone..O'Connor broke the odd ball at midfield and yes, Buckley ran out of steam a bit, but not before making one sensational catch over O'Connor.

    Anyway, we'll see what happens on Sunday. Lot of variables like you say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭sean mac


    I have heard some rubbish about sunday bit some on here beats all. Both sides have huge issues about a number of players, tactics and worryingly form. But imo the one huge advantage Kerry have is in midfield especially with donncha walsh doing the work he does. Walsh had a brilliant 5 minute cameo vs tipp to win the game but up until that point he was totally out of the game and made no impression, he has never driven on since 2010 and has failed miserably to provide any sort of consistency to his game at this level, in addition buckley and maher have held the whip hand over him for the last few years. Worse for me is that as a huge man he hasn't an ounce of dog required for this level. While he will make the odd brilliant run, might kick a score or 2 he is not anywhere near consistent enough in this area of the pitch in terms of winning primary possession, tackling, blocking and upsetting the opposition. Alongside him we have the greatest u21 player I have seen from cork in a while who despite being a senior for TEN YEARS has never once imo dominated a game as his talent suggested he might and certainly will not now, he was destroyed vs tipp and there is absolutely nothing in the previous past to suggest fintan has the nous for this level of football, alongside walsh it is the nicest midfield cork have had for a long time. Adding to this woe is the fact we have a brand new half back line -a centre back who has played full back, wing back and corner back for cork this year but rarely in the pivotal 6 position, some ask for this fella to hold the centre on sunday. Alongside him we have an antrim man who scores highly on bleep tests but if he had a north cork accent wouldn't be in the squad and for a back is really poor defensively at this level. Cahalane has the dog, has the ability but hasn't kicked a ball in anger since the Dublin game in MAY. Now if Kerry with a solid midfield pairing and a mixture of experience in Declan o Sullivan, Sheehan and walsh cant do serious damage in this area then they are in a bad way.
    And finally to add to the sob story cork have a keeper who cannot kick the ball accurately past 30 metres, watch the Dublin game back or talk to anyone at the recent tipp game where his nerve went 20 minutes in and he started kicking to the corner back when tipp filtered back the pitch. If Kerry have done their homework they will push up and make ohallorhan kick out, he has a mx distance of 45 metres and is inaccurate.
    While cork certainly have potential in the forwards outside the well past it goulding I expect Kerry to win this by a 3 points or less.


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    Cork played Waterford in hurling on May 25th, he was hurling for a month prior to that. Did all hurling up to the replay on June 8th and the 15th for Clare game. Would have done nothing but recovery the week after that, apart from maybe a kickaround. Played the Tipp game on 21st. May have trained the week after that. Then this week the team will have done little but tuning up...so in summation since April, he's had, I would estimate, maybe 1 full week of football training.

    You would expect that with all the science involved now that preparation is essential - it must be very important to the likes of Donegal.

    But the strange thing is that Walsh and Cadogan were 2 of Cork's better performers v Tipp and a lot of the lads that had played 3 challenge games, had a week-end camp in Limerick and numerous training sessions - were pretty uneffective.

    Cadogan, Walsh and Cahalane missed a lot of league games through injury. I'd be more confident about these 3 than most others for Sunday. Hope it's not misplaced.

    Perhaps the buzz from winning is giving a lift and mabe balancing things.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭MOTM


    55 minutes in. If cork have a plan for this game I've yet to see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    What a hiding.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Great win for ye today. We were spineless in the extreme - and this certainly helped ye. ye will be there or thereabouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Delighted. O donoghue is some player.

    Cork were awful though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    Really did not see that coming.

    Great day for Kerry football

    Great performance by Buckley and I stand corrected on him.

    Ps to all of Marcs doubters you got the answer today.

    Up kerry


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    Really did not see that coming.

    Great day for Kerry football

    Great performance by Buckley and I stand corrected on him.

    Ps to all of Marcs doubters you got the answer today.

    Up kerry


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Axel Lamp


    Jay. Sus. Cork were woeful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    Ps to all of Marcs doubters you got the answer today.

    ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    mystic86 wrote: »
    ?

    In the lead up to this game some fans on here were questioning Marcs inclusion on the starting team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭wonga77


    Unreal result, kerry were great but lets be honest, Cork were pure muck. No intensity and lacked real leadership out there. Kerry had leaders all over the park and everyone of them were willing to get stuck in.
    Nasty shot on DoS at the end there, could easily have broke his jaw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭MOTM


    Declan was outstanding. Shocking foul by john hayes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    MOTM wrote: »
    Declan was outstanding. Shocking foul by john hayes.

    Hayes act was a cowards act and he should hang his head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    In the lead up to this game some fans on here were questioning Marcs inclusion on the starting team.

    I wasn't one of those. And I understood what you meant in your last post. But how exactly did today prove anything about any of our defenders??


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Glory Kerry!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    mystic86 wrote: »
    I wasn't one of those. And I understood what you meant in your last post. But how exactly did today prove anything about any of our defenders??

    Marking Hurley/O'Neill is a challenge any day.
    Our backs did super, granted the supply for cork was brutal.

    Plus delighted for Kelly in Goal did brilliant


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    mystic86 wrote: »
    I wasn't one of those. And I understood what you meant in your last post. But how exactly did today prove anything about any of our defenders??

    Marking Hurley/O'Neill is a challenge any day.
    Our backs did super, granted the supply for cork was brutal.

    Plus delighted for Kelly in Goal did brilliant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    What a day to be a Kerry supporter.

    Feel for Cork fans. Their team really let them down today.

    Fitzy showed his tactical nous today. Absolutely nailed it.

    Declan,Maher, Murphy and James O'Donaghue were top class.

    Also Shane Enright outfought Brian Hurley and had a great game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    Marking Hurley/O'Neill is a challenge any day.
    Our backs did super, granted the supply for cork was brutal.

    Plus delighted for Kelly in Goal did brilliant

    Our backs were completely untested and for that reason i am not reading ANYTHING into todays game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Juniors, Minors and Seniors doing the treble in the space of 5 days.

    its been a long time since Kerry Gaa has had a week as good as this one. lets enjoy this for a while.

    smashing performance, one of the most complete ive ever seen from a Kerry team. O Donoghue was simple awesome, but 4 or 5 more lads hit levels they have not hit before in a Kerry jersey.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    Juniors, Minors and Seniors doing the treble in the space of 5 days.

    its been a long time since Kerry Gaa has had a week as good as this one. lets enjoy this for a while.

    smashing performance, one of the most complete ive ever seen from a Kerry team. O Donoghue was simple awesome, but 4 or 5 more lads hit levels they have not hit before in a Kerry jersey.

    could not have said it bety


  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭sean mac


    sean mac wrote: »
    I have heard some rubbish about sunday bit some on here beats all. Both sides have huge issues about a number of players, tactics and worryingly form. But imo the one huge advantage Kerry have is in midfield especially with donncha walsh doing the work he does. Walsh had a brilliant 5 minute cameo vs tipp to win the game but up until that point he was totally out of the game and made no impression, he has never driven on since 2010 and has failed miserably to provide any sort of consistency to his game at this level, in addition buckley and maher have held the whip hand over him for the last few years. Worse for me is that as a huge man he hasn't an ounce of dog required for this level. While he will make the odd brilliant run, might kick a score or 2 he is not anywhere near consistent enough in this area of the pitch in terms of winning primary possession, tackling, blocking and upsetting the opposition. Alongside him we have the greatest u21 player I have seen from cork in a while who despite being a senior for TEN YEARS has never once imo dominated a game as his talent suggested he might and certainly will not now, he was destroyed vs tipp and there is absolutely nothing in the previous past to suggest fintan has the nous for this level of football, alongside walsh it is the nicest midfield cork have had for a long time. Adding to this woe is the fact we have a brand new half back line -a centre back who has played full back, wing back and corner back for cork this year but rarely in the pivotal 6 position, some ask for this fella to hold the centre on sunday. Alongside him we have an antrim man who scores highly on bleep tests but if he had a north cork accent wouldn't be in the squad and for a back is really poor defensively at this level. Cahalane has the dog, has the ability but hasn't kicked a ball in anger since the Dublin game in MAY. Now if Kerry with a solid midfield pairing and a mixture of experience in Declan o Sullivan, Sheehan and walsh cant do serious damage in this area then they are in a bad way.
    And finally to add to the sob story cork have a keeper who cannot kick the ball accurately past 30 metres, watch the Dublin game back or talk to anyone at the recent tipp game where his nerve went 20 minutes in and he started kicking to the corner back when tipp filtered back the pitch. If Kerry have done their homework they will push up and make ohallorhan kick out, he has a mx distance of 45 metres and is inaccurate.
    While cork certainly have potential in the forwards outside the well past it goulding I expect Kerry to win this by a 3 points or less.


    Lads, as predicted I was spot on with where this would collapse with cork, despite the fact we have a clueless novice on the line and some absolutely gutless characters on the team I got this result/performance right, obviously margin of victory is much bigger then I expected.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Comhghairdeas.

    Another great day for the kingdom.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Kerryfootball


    sean mac wrote: »
    Lads, as predicted I was spot on with where this would collapse with cork, despite the fact we have a clueless novice on the line and some absolutely gutless characters on the team I got this result/performance right, obviously margin of victory is much bigger then I expected.

    You were spot on Infairness.

    You would wonder how Cork were so poor I was amazed with there lack of hunger.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Frank Garrett?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Looking forward to all those who posted during the week giving us their assessment of that result. You know who you are! :D

    Kerry were excellent and from 1-15, I think every Kerry player got the better of their opponent. It has to be said though, Cork were appalling and you can start with "off the field" stuff and go from there to get to the root of their problems.

    As I tried to explain to someone during the week, not kicking a ball for almost 6 weeks is not good preparation for a serious championship match, yet that's what 3 of Cork's players (in pivotal areas) have gone through. The Dual player thing is surely dead anyway if there's any sense?

    James O'Donoghue, I was worried about pre-game, now..I wish we could have extended the game for 2 hours just to keep watching him. What a player. He's approaching Gooch-level of performance at this stage.
    Little mention for my man Shane Enright aswell, held Brian Hurley to 1 from play and utterly dominated him. Super stuff, but in fairness, all players performed superbly. Now..to Croker...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭wonga77


    whens the quarters fixed for? County championship next weekend right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Was thinking of CT when it was obvious midway through the first half that Enright had Hurley's number. Very good performance.

    All the out of form players reached their true level today which was amazing to see. Ridic good showing. Delighted to be proved wrong about how the game would go.

    Who can we get in the QF?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Who can we get in the QF?

    If the losers of Connaught (presumably Galway) beat their qualifier team in Round 4 then we will play them, then that could setup a potential All-Ireland Semi-Final against Mayo as its Connaught V Munster this year.

    If Cork got their act together we could potentially meet them in an All-Ireland Semi again. I'm predicting either a Kerry V Dublin or Kerry V Donegal All-Ireland Final this year. Donegal are building and will come out of Ulster fighting and maybe the team to derail the Dubs this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Stinicker wrote: »
    If the losers of Connaught (presumably Galway) beat their qualifier team in Round 4 then we will play them, then that could setup a potential All-Ireland Semi-Final against Mayo as its Connaught V Munster this year.

    If Cork got their act together we could potentially meet them in an All-Ireland Semi again. I'm predicting either a Kerry V Dublin or Kerry V Donegal All-Ireland Final this year. Donegal are building and will come out of Ulster fighting and maybe the team to derail the Dubs this year.

    Do you fancy Kerry this year? Be some achievement without the gooch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Johnnythefox4


    What gob****e on the Sunday game team decided not to include Bryan Sheehan's brilliant free in the highlights :mad:


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Do you fancy Kerry this year? Be some achievement without the gooch.

    Lol.....he fancies Kerry Every year, lays low for the winter if Sam hasn't arrived but comes back in the summer spouting 'Glory to the Kingdom, the true holders of the flame' - its certainly entertaining, if a bit obvious.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    What gob****e on the Sunday game team decided not to include Bryan Sheehan's brilliant free in the highlights :mad:

    Was that the one on the 21 sideline, as soon as he hit it you could hear the crowds reaction, like a bullet, super kick.


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Johnnythefox4


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Was that the one on the 21 sideline, as soon as he hit it you could hear the crowds reaction, like a bullet, super kick.

    Yep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    What gob****e on the Sunday game team decided not to include Bryan Sheehan's brilliant free in the highlights :mad:

    thats because there is no good/proper angle of it on rte...seen some cracking pics/vids of it online though that really do it justice.

    313653.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    thats because there is no good/proper angle of it on rte...seen some cracking pics/vids of it online though that really do it justice.

    313653.jpg

    Brilliant pic, where'd you lift that from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭wonga77




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    When's the last time a player burst onto the scene in a manner comparable to O'Donoghue in the last two years?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    keane2097 wrote: »
    When's the last time a player burst onto the scene in a manner comparable to O'Donoghue in the last two years?
    Lets play a game of Hangman...

    G _ _ C H

    ;)

    (Michael Murphy burst on the scene in similar style as well, but obviously a different player physically)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    keane2097 wrote: »
    When's the last time a player burst onto the scene in a manner comparable to O'Donoghue in the last two years?

    Colm Cooper. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Also guys, did anyone see Jordan Kiely's goal for the Minors.

    Was Gooch-esque from the Crokes man. Lovely little lob.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,496 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Very surprising result yesterday

    I never thought for a minute that Cork would be a credible contender for 2014, regardless of their league regular season record, but I also never though they would perform so badly at home in a Munster final.

    Well done to Kerry, they all played their A game and regardless of what Cork were up to they were deserving winners.

    That win now almost guarantees them a place in the SF (as A side qualifiers are so weak) and unless they meet Mayo in that SF they will face no further serious opposition to the final.

    Hopefully for Kerry JOD shoulder will hold up in the coming games.


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