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SSM Referendum Spring 2015

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    People entering into these marriages might need to consider their position if they are travelling abroad. No recognition is given to same sex marriage in many countries and in some they could face life imprisonment or the death penalty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Looking forward to reading the ludicrous posters the no side come out with

    I'd be looking forward to it a lot more if I had more confidence it'd pass, but yeah, I kinda am looking forward to it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Manach wrote: »
    Hopefully given the judicial activism in other countries that have overturned democratic votes against this re-definition, there will be a no vote that will safeguard marriage.

    It's funny, isn't it? When the X Case judgement was handed down, your comrades on the religious right kicked and screamed. When referenda to overrule the X Case was up for a vote, the anti-X Case side threw their toys out of the pram when they lost, and it was the same when the ban on divorce was taken out of the Constitution by a referendum, too.

    It seems when you über-conservatives lose a vote, you scream at the judiciary to overturn a democratic result. And yet, when the judiciary rules against your side, you demand a referendum to overrule them. :rolleyes:

    Your crowd are the most miserable bastards I've ever had the misfortune to come across.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    P_1 wrote: »
    I actually think that could be a veryuseful tactic for the Yes side to employ.

    Basically play the 'people from outside out society are trying to influence us' card.

    Only worry is that chances are the No side will try to ape it

    Oh I'd say they will. Blaming the Global Gay Agenda of the Feminist-Socialist complex or whatever they do be on about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    People entering into these marriages might need to consider their position if they are travelling abroad. No recognition is given to same sex marriage in many countries and in some they could face life imprisonment or the death penalty.

    I daresay every gay couple is well aware of hostile places and I doubt any of them think an Irish marriage certificate will change their chances on a foolhardy trip to Uganda...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Will be an interesting one, can see the no side winning. Not because the majority of people are against SSM, but because the older more conservative voters(the people that actually visit the polling stations) won't vote in favour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Manach wrote: »
    I'd say it will be closer than the media pundits expect, inspire of the ill will and name calling on behalf of those who would overturn traditional marriage. Hopefully given the judicial activism in other countries that have overturned democratic votes against this re-definition, there will be a no vote that will safeguard marriage.

    I hope to god you're out every single solid day fighting to overturn the divorce referendum result, purely out of coherency, if nothing else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    So, is everyone who opposed SSM or who is (like myself) ambivalent to the whole idea a " looney fundamentalist " Foxhound?

    Opposing equal rights and a little happiness for your fellow person at the cost of nothing to yourself on arbitrary religious/anti-government sentiment/ewww grounds is just a looney view to take in my opinion.

    I'm sorry - but I'm absolutely convinced in a way that I am on very few other issues that there are absolutely no non-stupid reasons to oppose this. If you have one, then I'm all ears - but even to someone not directly effected like myself, so far this thing is and has been as open/shut a case as the debate around legalizing interracial marriage many moons ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Zed Bank


    Can anyone see it going like this:

    SSM is passed marginally (as it should)

    Catholic loonies throw a fit and start the mother of all **** storms.

    Government give in. Lisbon treaty referenda all over again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Muise... wrote: »
    I daresay every gay couple is well aware of hostile places and I doubt any of them think an Irish marriage certificate will change their chances on a foolhardy trip to Uganda...

    Much of the world is a "hostile place" Illegal in China and not welcome in Russia, illegal all over the Muslim world with imprisonment or death. South Africa is the only African country where it is legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Zed Bank wrote: »
    Can anyone see it going like this:

    SSM is passed marginally (as it should)

    Catholic loonies throw a fit and start the mother of all **** storms.

    Government give in. Lisbon treaty referenda all over again.

    No.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It wont sail in and the Yes side should not be complacent at all.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Zed Bank wrote: »
    Can anyone see it going like this:

    SSM is passed marginally (as it should)

    Catholic loonies throw a fit and start the mother of all **** storms.

    Government give in. Lisbon treaty referenda all over again.

    No..... They simply have no leverage to make that happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Doctor Strange


    No.

    I'd say if *any* government of this country tried that, they'd be ran out of Leinster House.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    I think it's going to be a very, very easy victory for the yes side.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Much of the world is a "hostile place" Illegal in China and not welcome in Russia, illegal all over the Muslim world with imprisonment or death. South Africa is the only African country where it is legal.

    Sure if gay couples can't take a honeymoon in Russia I guess we needn't bother letting them get married.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Much of the world is a "hostile place" Illegal in China and not welcome in Russia, illegal all over the Muslim world with imprisonment or death. South Africa is the only African country where it is legal.

    This is common knowledge. I don't see how it should affect our referendum though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Manach wrote: »
    I'd say it will be closer than the media pundits expect, inspire of the ill will and name calling on behalf of those who would overturn traditional marriage. Hopefully given the judicial activism in other countries that have overturned democratic votes against this re-definition, there will be a no vote that will safeguard marriage.

    Right I'm going to try to process this in as civilised a manner as I possibly can.

    Firstly traditional marriage will not be overturned, it will merely be extended to same sex couples in a similar manner that the voting franchise wasn't overturned when it was extended to women and the non-landed.

    Also "given the judicial activism in other countries that have overturned democratic votes". That kind of attitude thankfully went out with the rotten boroughs and has no place in a democratic republic in the 21st century.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    It wont sail in and the Yes side should not be complacent at all.

    Correct.

    What will really make the difference is the bill that would allow gay couples to adopt jointly. It destroys any argument I've ever seen from the No side.

    I'm quite happy if someone wants to vote no but I've never heard anyone from the No side give a logical reason other than "it's my choice".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Seaneh wrote: »
    I think it's going to be a very, very easy victory for the yes side.

    Not at all. It will be a hard fought campaign and I genuinely feel very sorry for many young lgbt people who are about to be exposed for the first time to a horrifically nasty campaign.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I started another thread but it was closed due to this one.
    Well I've an older brother who is gay so we'll all support it in my family. Before my brother came out tough my dad(farmer in his early sixties) would have being a bit homophobic.(Not making excuses for him he simply didn't understand) For example if two guys kissed on TV he'd make a comment or I'd he read something he just go on about how being gay was wrong and they'd must have issues in there childhood etc. However when my brother came out he totally changed. He knows now that being gay is perfectly normal. He'd stand up if somebody made a homophobic comment. I remember last Summer there was something about same sex marriage being legalised in the UK on the news. There was a man at our house buying cattle. The man went into a rant about how it was sick/wrong/he used a lot of homophobic language my dad really gave out to him about his attitude and he told him he should be more accepting/etc. I never taught I'd see the day when my dad would do something like this. People of the older generation might vote either way(IMO):some will be accepting whilst others wont . If my brother didn't come out my dad would probably vote NO. I think tough normalising being gay is what changed his attitude.
    I'm in my twenties. I know people and they've good jobs/highly intelligent (doctors/law/is good third level education). Some of these people tough are very homophobic. These people are people who'd deffently go out and vote against gay marriage. I also know similar people who'd vote in favour without a doubt.
    In my personal opinion I'd be dogy of the polls that are being published at the moment. I think it might be a lot closer than the polls show. If it is to be be passed people basically have to try and get everyone out to vote. Also I know of a good few older relatives/neighbours who simply don't understand homosexuality and these people might vote no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Much of the world is a "hostile place" Illegal in China and not welcome in Russia, illegal all over the Muslim world with imprisonment or death. South Africa is the only African country where it is legal.
    Do you think gay people would be welcomed with open arms as long as they're nor married?

    A referendum on SSM here has no bearing on homophobic countries. It just means we're leaving that closed-mindedness behind us. Most of us anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Muise... wrote: »
    This is common knowledge. I don't see how it should affect our referendum though.

    It shouldn't. But male couples who want to adopt children from foreign countries won't be able to do so in the same way as heterosexual couples. Presumably one or both of a female marriage could produce their own children. But the parentage of those children would have to involve some male person as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Zed Bank wrote: »
    Can anyone see it going like this:

    SSM is passed marginally (as it should)

    Catholic loonies throw a fit and start the mother of all **** storms.

    Government give in. Lisbon treaty referenda all over again.

    No, but if the opposite happens, then the result should definitely be overruled.

    I don't know why the nutjobs fight SSM, even if it takes 100 years it's gonna happen, just like interracial marriage.

    Just give up, you've lost the war and you'll never win. Save your money and energy and actually contribute to society instead of behaving like vermin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I started another thread but it was closed due to this one.
    Well I've an older brother who is gay so we'll all support it in my family. Before my brother came out tough my dad(farmer in his early sixties) would have being a bit homophobic.(Not making excuses for him he simply didn't understand) For example if two guys kissed on TV he'd make a comment or I'd he read something he just go on about how being gay was wrong and they'd must have issues in there childhood etc. However when my brother came out he totally changed. He knows now that being gay is perfectly normal. He'd stand up if somebody made a homophobic comment. I remember last Summer there was something about same sex marriage being legalised in the UK on the news. There was a man at our house buying cattle. The man went into a rant about how it was sick/wrong/he used a lot of homophobic language my dad really gave out to him about his attitude and he told him he should be more accepting/etc. I never taught I'd see the day when my dad would do something like this. People of the older generation might vote either way(IMO):some will be accepting whilst others wont . If my brother didn't come out my dad would probably vote NO. I think tough normalising being gay is what changed his attitude.
    I'm in my twenties. I know people and they've good jobs/highly intelligent (doctors/law/is good third level education). Some of these people tough are very homophobic. These people are people who'd deffently go out and vote against gay marriage. I also know similar people who'd vote in favour without a doubt.
    In my personal opinion I'd be dogy of the polls that are being published at the moment. I think it might be a lot closer than the polls show. If it is to be be passed people basically have to try and get everyone out to vote. Also I know of a good few older relatives/neighbours who simply don't understand homosexuality and these people might vote no.

    Well said.

    I think a key factor in swinging some elderly voters, who would probably make up the bulk of the anti- side, is to appeal to their sense of empathy.

    That's assuming the RCC hasn't beaten it out of them when they were in school, of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    It shouldn't. But male couples who want to adopt children from foreign countries won't be able to do so in the same way as heterosexual couples. Presumably one or both of a female marriage could produce their own children. But the parentage of those children would have to involve some male person as well.

    I still don't see your point. No one is saying that passing the referendum on SSM will mean all Irish gay couples will live happily ever after and get to do whatever they want wherever they want in the world.

    If I was to go to many countries in the world I would have to cover my hair and accept that I have very little (if any) legal protection against sexual assault. My awareness of this doesn't mean I won't enjoy and defend my rights in my own country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Well said.

    I think a key factor in swinging some elderly voters, who would probably make up the bulk of the anti- side, is to appeal to their sense of empathy.

    That's assuming the RCC hasn't beaten it out of them when they were in school, of course.

    My elderly in-laws seem of the mind that its just love & sure let them get on with it.

    Beware though the youth movements of the RCC, they will bring energy & zeal in equal amounts.

    It will be a vile campaign..... The massive lead in time making it so much worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra



    It will be a vile campaign.....

    I genuinely fear for the mental health of many young lgbt people.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Ger Byrne 1


    another Referendum
    Great


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    This whole thing about marriage as a expression of love and equal rights etc. just doesn't do it for me personally. Love isn't just about a ceremony or a piece of paper stating that two people are married. My understanding is that it's about people's care and commitment to each other and a ceremony or marriage licence doesn't add, subtract from that commitment or enrich it's living imo. I have many straight friends and also know some gay couples, some of them in long term "non solemnised" relationships, some married, some in civil partnerships. Like them, I feel the civil union /partnership legislation regularised the tax and inheritance / legal issues, so I'm not sure what the hullabaloo about the public solemnisation of a commitment between two people, which is inherently a personal thing, be that same sex or heterosexual. Maybe a simplistic view but marriage isn't all about being out and proud !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    I genuinely fear for the mental health of many young lgbt people.

    Same here. I fear it's going to get very ugly and indignified very quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    P_1 wrote: »
    Same here. I fear it's going to get very ugly and indignified very quickly.

    The mods here will have their work cut out.

    Over on the under-moderated Journal.ie, it will be carnage.

    Twitter will probably be the main battleground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    This whole thing about marriage as a expression of love and equal rights etc. just doesn't do it for me personally. Love isn't just about a ceremony or a piece of paper stating that two people are married. My understanding is that it's about people's care and commitment to each other and a ceremony or marriage licence doesn't add, subtract from that commitment or enrich it's living imo. I have many straight friends and also know some gay couples, some of them in long term "non solemnised" relationships, some married, some in civil partnerships. Like them, I feel the civil union /partnership legislation regularised the tax and inheritance / legal issues, so I'm not sure what the hullabaloo about the public solemnisation of a commitment between two people, which is inherently a personal thing, be that same sex or heterosexual. Maybe a simplistic view but marriage isn't all about being out and proud !

    Actually the Civil Union Act is still deeply unequal.
    http://www.marriagequality.ie/marriageaudit/full-list

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Not at all. It will be a hard fought campaign and I genuinely feel very sorry for many young lgbt people who are about to be exposed for the first time to a horrifically nasty campaign.

    The nastiness and name calling won't be confined to the "no " side ! You can bet there will be tirades and stupidity coming from both sides I'd say


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    It will pass by a large margin. Even the older people are much more liberal than a decade ago. The adoption thing will be irrelevant by the time it's held there are no arguments against it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Zed Bank


    P_1 wrote: »
    Same here. I fear it's going to get very ugly and indignified very quickly.

    Hopefully they will be exposed for the morons they are, imo most rational people will laugh at their stupidity.

    It's a disgrace Joe blah blah blah..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    20Cent wrote: »
    Even the older people are much more liberal than a decade ago.

    I think a lot of them or just dead tbh :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    The nastiness and name calling won't be confined to the "no " side ! You can bet there will be tirades and stupidity coming from both sides I'd say

    You want find many a yes sider comparing same sex marriage to marrying a dog....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    This whole thing about marriage as a expression of love and equal rights etc. just doesn't do it for me personally. Love isn't just about a ceremony or a piece of paper stating that two people are married. My understanding is that it's about people's care and commitment to each other and a ceremony or marriage licence doesn't add, subtract from that commitment or enrich it's living imo. I have many straight friends and also know some gay couples, some of them in long term "non solemnised" relationships, some married, some in civil partnerships. Like them, I feel the civil union /partnership legislation regularised the tax and inheritance / legal issues, so I'm not sure what the hullabaloo about the public solemnisation of a commitment between two people, which is inherently a personal thing, be that same sex or heterosexual. Maybe a simplistic view but marriage isn't all about being out and proud !

    For you it isn't all about being out and proud - but what difference does it make to you if others put more emphasis on the ceremony and going the whole way - vows and marraige cert etc? Why deny them that?

    Legalizing SSM won't mean a thing to me personally (although I might get to go to a few more weddings), and I'm presuming that it won't mean a thing to you either - but it would mean the absolute world to a certain group of our citizens and would cost us nothing to do; so why not just assent for them to get on with their business like everyone else, if not simply out of a sense of nastiness?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,212 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Most people I know have no issue with same-sex marriage.
    But voter turn-out is the key issue and it can swing both ways. Like, I reckon there is alot of people who support SSM but who just don't vote/be arsed to vote. On the flip side you could have people who think being gay is unnatural ... but don't feel a need to vote. Each to their own type of mentality.

    Like I think SSM will be brought in. But if there was a massive record for voter turn out all bets could be off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    Just a quick question. Are Irish people living in say the UK able to vote in Irish referendums? Pretty sure they can vote in local elections and such, so just want to make sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The nastiness and name calling won't be confined to the "no " side ! You can bet there will be tirades and stupidity coming from both sides I'd say

    Yes but honestly some young lgbt people will be exposed for tge first time to Irelands really nasty side. It has the potential to scar some young lgbt people for life. Its genuinely worrying.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This whole thing about marriage as a expression of love and equal rights etc. just doesn't do it for me personally. Love isn't just about a ceremony or a piece of paper stating that two people are married. My understanding is that it's about people's care and commitment to each other and a ceremony or marriage licence doesn't add, subtract from that commitment or enrich it's living imo. I have many straight friends and also know some gay couples, some of them in long term "non solemnised" relationships, some married, some in civil partnerships. Like them, I feel the civil union /partnership legislation regularised the tax and inheritance / legal issues, so I'm not sure what the hullabaloo about the public solemnisation of a commitment between two people, which is inherently a personal thing, be that same sex or heterosexual. Maybe a simplistic view but marriage isn't all about being out and proud !

    It goes back a long way in organised societies and has a lot to do with property and inheritance. Marriage partners and their chidren inherit the property belonging to the couple when one of them dies. The very fact that no society when drafting legislation ever considered the concept of a legally recognised same sex marriage equal to man woman marriage just shows how new the concept is.

    The legalities will have to be decided whenever it comes into being and I can see complications where the father of children will not belong to the marriage. And like I mentioned earlier it will cause problems in this modern world of international travel for couples from some countries going to other countries which have a different ethos and legal system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    The nastiness and name calling won't be confined to the "no " side ! You can bet there will be tirades and stupidity coming from both sides I'd say

    If the "No" side can't come up with a good argument, its unavoidable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Most people I know have no issue with same-sex marriage.
    But voter turn-out is the key issue and it can swing both ways. Like, I reckon there is alot of people who support SSM but just mightn't vote. On the flip side you could have people who think being gay is unnatural ... but don't feel a need to vote. Each to their own type of mentality.

    Like I think SSM will be brought in. But if there was a massive record for voter turn out all bets could be off.

    I'd disagree with you there to be honest. I'd wager the higher the turnout the higher the likelihood of the Yes side carrying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Conchir wrote: »
    Just a quick question. Are Irish people living in say the UK able to vote in Irish referendums? Pretty sure they can vote in local elections and such, so just want to make sure.

    No. Unless you are eligible for a postal vote. Which is for diplomats, guards and army only.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    No. Unless you are eligible for a postal vote. Which is for diplomats, guards and army only.
    Thanks, so you have to be resident in Ireland? Hopefully I'm still here when this comes around then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Conchir wrote: »
    Thanks, so you have to be resident in Ireland? Hopefully I'm still here when this comes around then.

    Yes you do. Although some people stay registered and fly home from abroad to vote which isnt really legal.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Daith wrote: »
    You want find many a yes sider comparing same sex marriage to marrying a dog....



    "If you allow a man to marry a man, what's to stop a woman marrying a dart-board? Is that what the future of Ireland holds?" :pac:


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    I have a feeling this is something that catches the attention of the younger generation more than previous referendums in recent years, I think we'll see a strong social media presence with previously apolitical folk showing their support. Already I see a lot of people sharing links announcing the referendum on facebook and expressing their support for the yes side. For that reason I think the yes side will prevail.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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