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2014 NFL Draft

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    #572
    davyjose
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    Knex. wrote: »
    Wilson is an absolute student of the game, and that was clear long before he got to the NFL. Learnt two completely different offenses during his college days too. He has a Peyton Manning type drive when it comes to watching tape, conducting analysis, learning plays, etc.

    I'm not so sure Manziel has that same ethic and intelligence about him. Sure, he's committed to football, I don't buy that he's not, but I wouldn't be quite expecting him to have the same success in his first year as Wilson or RGIII. Both players showed far more commitment to the pocket and working progressions than Manziel has done in college, too.

    He may never reach those heights, but it'll be sure as hell fun to watch.

    It's crazy to me that Wilson went two rounds after Brandon Weeden. Despite the fact that Wilson was clearly better in every regard except height. His height was such an issue that Weeden's age (meaning he had no time to sit and watch/learn) was still considered much, much less of a handicap. Hopefully the height issue will no longer affect quality QB's.

    FWIW I would pick Manziel ahead of Bortles in a heartbeat. If anyone truly thinks Bortles is a true first overall pick, they need a new career tbh.


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    #573
    nerd69
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    davyjose wrote: »
    It's crazy to me that Wilson went two rounds after Brandon Weeden. Despite the fact that Wilson was clearly better in every regard except height. His height was such an issue that Weeden's age (meaning he had no time to sit and watch/learn) was still considered much, much less of a handicap. Hopefully the height issue will no longer affect quality QB's.

    FWIW I would pick Manziel ahead of Bortles in a heartbeat. If anyone truly thinks Bortles is a true first overall pick, they need a new career tbh.

    i dont think anyone thinks any qb is a "true first overall pick" its more a question of which would be less of a reach


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    #574
    HigginsJ
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    nerd69 wrote: »
    i dont think anyone thinks any qb is a "true first overall pick" its more a question of which would be less of a reach

    I'd say Bridgewater is worth picking No.1 overall


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    #575
    nerd69
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    I'd say Bridgewater is worth picking No.1 overall

    he may be worth it but only because hes a qb to my mind that does not make him a true no 1 talent. but its arguing semantics.


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    #576
    JaMarcusHustle
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    Went through 12 Big Boards from popular draft writers/sites and came up with the following average positions (these are my top 100 prospects, but not in the order I rank them - they're sorted by the average of position of the 12 boards I looked at, so there might be someone missing, i.e. if they had an average of less than 100, but weren't in my top 100). There's no QBs as I don't have them in my Top 100 - too difficult to compare to other positions. At least not yet, I might find a place for them the next slow work day :P

    1.16 | Jadeveon Clowney | DE | South Carolina
    3.41 | Greg Robinson | OT | Auburn
    3.91 | Sammy Watkins | WR | Clemson
    4.25 | Khalil Mack | OLB | Buffalo
    4.50 | Jake Matthews | OT | Texas A&M
    10.41 | Anthony Barr | OLB | UCLA
    12.08 | Taylor Lewan | OT | Michigan
    12.16 | Mike Evans | WR | Texas A&M
    12.25 | C.J. Mosley | ILB | Alabama
    13.66 | Eric Ebron | TE | North Carolina
    16.58 | Haha Clinton-Dix | S | Alabama
    16.91 | Darqueze Dennard | CB | Michigan State
    17.16 | Aaron Donald | DT | Pittsburgh
    18.09 | Marqise Lee | WR | USC
    19.16 | Justin Gilbert | CB | Oklahoma State
    22.54 | Louis Nix | DT | Notre Dame
    22.75 | Odell Beckham | WR | LSU
    22.75 | Kony Ealy | DE | Missouri
    23.00 | Zack Martin | OT | Notre Dame
    23.00 | Calvin Pryor | S | Louisville
    25.91 | Ryan Shazier | OLB | Ohio State
    26.77 | Jace Amaro | TE | Texas Tech
    28.00 | Brandin Cooks | WR | Oregon State
    28.00 | Ra'Shede Hageman | DT | Minnesota
    28.58 | Timmy Jernigan | DT | Florida State
    30.91 | Dee Ford | OLB | Auburn
    32.09 | Kyle Fuller | CB | Virginia Tech
    32.18 | Bradley Roby | CB | Ohio State
    33.60 | Xavier Su'a-Filo | OG | UCLA
    35.81 | Jason Verrett | CB | TCU
    36.62 | Dominique Easley | DT | Florida
    37.80 | Cyrus Kouandjio | OT | Alabama
    38.09 | Stephon Tuitt | DE | Notre Dame
    39.33 | Austin Seferian-Jenkins | TE | Washington
    40.30 | Kyle Van Noy | OLB | BYU
    42.70 | Kelvin Benjamin | WR | Florida State
    44.57 | Jeremiah Attaochu | OLB | Georgia Tech
    45.00 | Antonio Richardson | OT | Tennessee
    45.37 | Scott Crichton | DE | Oregon State
    45.44 | Carlos Hyde | RB | Ohio State
    47.25 | Troy Niklas | TE | Notre Dame
    47.55 | Allen Robinson | WR | Penn State
    48.66 | Davante Adams | WR | Fresno State
    51.50 | David Yankey | OG | Stanford
    51.85 | Trent Murphy | DE | Stanford
    52.12 | Jarvis Landry | WR | LSU
    53.00 | Jimmie Ward | S | Northern Illinois
    53.71 | Will Sutton | DT | Arizona State
    55.00 | Gabe Jackson | OG | Mississippi State
    60.12 | Lamarcus Joyner | S | Florida State
    60.57 | Jordan Matthews | WR | Vanderbilt
    60.62 | Bishop Sankey | RB | Washington
    62.14 | Tre Mason | RB | Auburn
    65.66 | Demarcus Lawrence | OLB | Boise State
    66.00 | Ka'Deem Carey | RB | Arizona
    67.71 | Marcus Smith | DE | Louisville
    68.20 | Shayne Skov | ILB | Stanford
    68.33 | Ego Ferguson | DT | LSU
    71.83 | Anthony Johnson | DT | LSU
    72.50 | Brandon Coleman | WR | Rutgers
    72.80 | Aaron Lynch | DE | South Florida
    73.66 | Travis Swanson | C | Arkansas
    74.80 | Yawin Smallwood | ILB | Uconn
    75.40 | Cyril Richardson | OG | Baylor
    76.83 | Jack Mewhort | OT | Ohio State
    77.33 | Marcus Martin | C | USC
    78.71 | Chris Borland | ILB | Wisconsin
    79.85 | C.J. Fiedorowicz | TE | Iowa
    80.57 | Brandon Thomas | OT | Clemson
    81.20 | Jared Abbrederis | WR | Wisconsin
    82.00 | Lache Seastrunk | RB | Baylor
    82.00 | Ja'Waun James | OT | Tennessee
    82.66 | Dion Bailey | S | USC
    85.50 | Carl Bradford | OLB | Arizona State
    86.50 | Charles Sims | RB | West Virginia
    86.60 | Stanley Jean-Baptiste | CB | Nebraska
    87.00 | Deone Buchannon | S | Washington State
    87.33 | Cameron Fleming | OT | Stanford
    89.66 | Isaiah Crowell | RB | Alabama State
    90.50 | Chris Smith | DE | Arkansas
    92.40 | Billy Turner | OT | North Dakota State
    93.20 | Caraun Reid | DT | Princeton
    93.33 | Bruce Ellington | WR | South Carolina
    101.00 | Keith McGill | CB | Utah
    101.40 | Justin Ellis | DT | Louisiana Tech
    102.80 | Ed Stinson | DE | Alabama
    103.80 | Devonta Freeman | RB | Florida State
    104.00 | Jon Halapio | OG | Florida
    104.25 | Daniel McCullers | DT | Tennessee
    107.25 | Jaylen Watkins | CB | Florida
    112.20 | Taylor Hart | DE | Oregon
    115.00 | Ed Reynolds | S | Stanford
    116.00 | Storm Johnson | RB | UCF
    118.00 | Robert Herron | WR | Wyoming
    119.66 | Loucheiz Purifoy | CB | Florida
    126.50 | Mike Davis | WR | Texas
    127.75 | George Uko | DT | USC
    135.25 | Kapri Bibbs | RB | Colorado State
    139.75 | Morgan Breslin | OLB | USC
    153.75 | Colt Lyerla | TE | Oregon


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    #577
    taidghbaby
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    nerd69 wrote: »
    i dont think anyone thinks any qb is a "true first overall pick" its more a question of which would be less of a reach

    Texans has the best defensive player in the NFL for the last two years play every game last year and still had he worst record, because they had nothing at QB! As good as Clowney (or anyone else you think is number one) is I'm taking the QB I think is best with the first pic!


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    #578
    Syferus
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    Amazing Jordan Matthews is so far down the WR rankings, the ninth WR overall. He's put up stunning numbers for an average team in the best conference in college football, one littered with top-class defenses.

    I think he can become a legitimate #1 receiver and unlike even Watkins (#1 in WRs) size and durability are non factors with Matthews. Someone is going to get a steal if he is that low come the draft.


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    #579
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Syferus wrote: »
    Amazing Jordan Matthews is so far down the WR rankings, the ninth WR overall. He's put up stunning numbers for an average team in the best conference in college football, one littered with top-class defenses.

    I think he can become a legitimate #1 receiver and unlike even Watkins (#1 in WRs) size and durability are non factors with Matthews. Someone is going to get a steal if he is that low come the draft.

    He will be an utter steal. Think he will come in & tear it up. The guy is a legitimate No.1 WR.


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    #580
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Syferus wrote: »
    Amazing Jordan Matthews is so far down the WR rankings, the ninth WR overall. He's put up stunning numbers for an average team in the best conference in college football, one littered with top-class defenses.

    I think he can become a legitimate #1 receiver and unlike even Watkins (#1 in WRs) size and durability are non factors with Matthews. Someone is going to get a steal if he is that low come the draft.
    HigginsJ wrote: »
    He will be an utter steal. Think he will come in & tear it up. The guy is a legitimate No.1 WR.

    shhhh eagles are going to steal him in the 3rd stop giving him credit


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    #581
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    nerd69 wrote: »
    shhhh eagles are going to steal him in the 3rd stop giving him credit

    Not a chance he gets to the 3rd. Def will go in the 1st dozen picks in the 2nd I reckon. Wouldn't mind us getting him there


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    #582
    nerd69
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Not a chance he gets to the 3rd. Def will go in the 1st dozen picks in the 2nd I reckon. Wouldn't mind us getting him there

    wouldn't surprise me at all i think he'd definitely be gone early 2nd in a normal year but there is an insane amount of good receivers in this draft i think a few very very good receivers will drop to the late 3rd or even early 4th


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    #583
    Chucky the tree
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    Similar to Matthews and looking at how boards mock draft is going I wouldn't draft a WR in the top 10 of this draft because you'll still get a very good prospect in the second round.


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    #584
    Leslie91
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    Chargers will go up about 10 spots in round 2 for Matthews if they get their corner/NT in round 1. There's a prediction for you!!.


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    #585
    JaMarcusHustle
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    Jon Gruden praising somebody isn't news, but he had one hell of an endorsement for Aaron Murray.
    Jon Gruden, "After 5 years of doing this, Aaron Murray is near the top to come through here." On Gruden QB camp.


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    #586
    Knex*
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    How high were people expecting his draft stock to be prior to that knee injury? You hear nothing about him in the media compared to the main 4 or 5 QBs, or so.


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    #587
    raven136
    Registered Users Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭raven136


    Syferus wrote: »
    Amazing Jordan Matthews is so far down the WR rankings, the ninth WR overall. He's put up stunning numbers for an average team in the best conference in college football, one littered with top-class defenses.

    I think he can become a legitimate #1 receiver and unlike even Watkins (#1 in WRs) size and durability are non factors with Matthews. Someone is going to get a steal if he is that low come the draft.

    Would love if the Jets got him.


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    #588
    JaMarcusHustle
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    Great, great read on Ra'Shede Hageman here. Didn't realise his upbringing was so rough, had never heard about it.
    He was born on fourth-and-long. Mom drank when she was pregnant with him. Traded sex for drugs while he was in diapers. State authorities dragged him out of a crack house closet when he was 4 years old. Threw Mom in prison. Dad? Dead before the kid met him.

    Start most kids off like that, they're looking at 15 to 20 by the time they're 18.

    http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/11/13/5097150/rashede-hageman-profile-minnesota-football


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    #589
    franglan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭franglan


    Knex. wrote: »
    How high were people expecting his draft stock to be prior to that knee injury? You hear nothing about him in the media compared to the main 4 or 5 QBs, or so.

    I think he would have been a late first round pick. Very very clever footballer. Doesn't have "Prototypical" height or a cannon of an arm but is football and book smart and has a lovely quick release. He has the ability to avoid pressure in the pocket and is a decent decision maker. The NFL draft projection thingy have him down as a 5-6 rounder. I think he'll go in day 2.


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    #590
    Knex*
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    franglan wrote: »
    I think he would have been a late first round pick. Very very clever footballer. Doesn't have "Prototypical" height or a cannon of an arm but is football and book smart and has a lovely quick release. He has the ability to avoid pressure in the pocket and is a decent decision maker. The NFL draft projection thingy have him down as a 5-6 rounder. I think he'll go in day 2.

    So a West Coast offense would suit him down to the ground? Quick releases, follow progressions, and accuracy over short-medium throws.

    Be interesting to see where he ends up now.

    The depth in this draft in so many positions will have me hooked for years. Really interested in seeing how it all pans out.

    Wouldn't have been very involved, or read up on, previous years. Only started watching them two years ago, for one thing.


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    #591
    franglan
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    How about the Rams or even my beloved Jets as a landing spot for Murray. I get the feeling that Les Snead and Co. are not convinced with Bradford. Likewise he would be a slightly different option and would be under no pressure to play with the Jets. The Jets have a load of mid round picks in this draft if Murray was to drop to the 4th round I'd be delighted if they picked him up.


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    #592
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    franglan wrote: »
    I think he would have been a late first round pick. Very very clever footballer. Doesn't have "Prototypical" height or a cannon of an arm but is football and book smart and has a lovely quick release. He has the ability to avoid pressure in the pocket and is a decent decision maker. The NFL draft projection thingy have him down as a 5-6 rounder. I think he'll go in day 2.


    I think it would have been very unlikely he would haven been a 1st rounder. His height & lack of top end arm are definite knocks ok. Could have seen him be a 3rd rounder before the injury, dont think he will get out of the 4th.

    Apparently Mettenberger is garnering alot of interest at the moment. Seen quiet a few projections of him in the early 2nd round. I think Arizona be a great spot for him as he can sit for a year & he is a perfect fit for that vertical offense.

    The other QB that I have heard with a positive draft stock is Pitt QB Tom Savage. I know little of him but he is being projected as a 3rd rounder


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    #593
    boccy23
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    I think it would have been very unlikely he would haven been a 1st rounder. His height & lack of top end arm are definite knocks ok. Could have seen him be a 3rd rounder before the injury, dont think he will get out of the 4th.

    Apparently Mettenberger is garnering alot of interest at the moment. Seen quiet a few projections of him in the early 2nd round. I think Arizona be a great spot for him as he can sit for a year & he is a perfect fit for that vertical offense.

    The other QB that I have heard with a positive draft stock is Pitt QB Tom Savage. I know little of him but he is being projected as a 3rd rounder

    His arm strength has some drooling over him. Even with his injury.


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    #594
    JaMarcusHustle
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    I'd draft Tom Savage just for his name tbh. Some guys, you don't even have to scout them. You just know by their name.

    My whole drafting strategy in Madden is based off of this. Wolverine Justice, Ashton Martin, Mark Fightmaster, Tornado Davis, Tremendous Johnson, Gunnar Gunnerson .... I've drafted them all.


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    #595
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭nerd69


    JaMarcusHustle wrote: »
    I'd draft Tom Savage just for his name tbh. Some guys, you don't even have to scout them. You just know by their name.

    My whole drafting strategy in Madden is based off of this. Wolverine Justice, Ashton Martin, Mark Fightmaster, Tornado Davis, Tremendous Johnson, Gunnar Gunnerson .... I've drafted them all.

    indeed i changed schemes just for wolverine justice someone somewhere there has to have changed there name to that


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    #596
    HigginsJ
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    Apparently the Eagles & Dolphins are in talks over a trade. The Eagles will get Dion Jordan (last years No.3 overall pick) and in return the Dolphins will get the Eagles 1st rounder this tear (No. 22 overall) & Brandon Graham


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    #597
    nerd69
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Apparently the Eagles & Dolphins are in talks over a trade. The Eagles will get Dion Jordan (last years No.3 overall pick) and in return the Dolphins will get the Eagles 1st rounder this tear (No. 22 overall) & Brandon Graham

    Eagles offered out 2nd rounder and Brandon graham the dolphins said no. Not a hope we give a first and graham for him


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    #598
    franglan
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    Talking about Tom Savage, Gil Brant is talking about taking him in the second round as he won't be around in the third! Second round pick for a guy who attended 3 colleges and played less than 30 college games, too much of a project QB for a second rounder me thinks.


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    #599
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    A tweet from Matt Miller

    Matt Miller ✔ @nfldraftscout
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    I present you with the greatest QB comparison ever. An AFC North coach compared Bridgewater to...Willie Beaman. I'm not making this up.
    7:21 PM - 14 Apr 2014
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    #600
    Masked Man
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    Patriots seem like a good place for Murray. They asked for a private workout lately as well.


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    #601
    JaMarcusHustle
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    Masked Man wrote: »
    Patriots seem like a good place for Murray. They asked for a private workout lately as well.

    I would be so giddy if we picked up Murray.


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