TNG run-through...

Myrddin · 10-02-2014 9:32pm

Kiith wrote: »

I'd say it was as much a personal choice as a professional one. He was happy being XO to Picard...i mean, who wouldn't be. Learning from the best and all that. He was also still very young, wasn't he? And i'd guess he felt at home on the Enterprise, and wasn't yet ready to leave.

Plus, it's the Enterprise

Yep still pretty young. Though in a later episode, I remember him saying to Troi "I'm the one who wanted to make Captain by the time I was 35", & yet he turned the offer down.

Perhaps he just though the experience he'd gain as xo on the Enterprise, would be better than that of the Aries, & would open up further possibilities to him in the future

norrie rugger · 11-02-2014 9:44am

Three things IMO

Picard
Enterprise
and
Troi

Myrddin · 18-02-2014 10:53pm

So, I finished season 2 last night. My thoughts:

1) The dvd image quality is so, so, so inferior to the remastered blu rays (I've gone back to watching my dvd versions as I can't afford the blu ray sets yet). It's actually borderline unwatchable when you compare the two, especially the stock shots of the ship gong through space, there's colour bleed everywhere.

2) It's sort of an improvement over season 1 in terms of quality, not too many duds in Season 2. I've skipped two episodes in total over the season, "The Outrageous Okona" & "Shades of Grey". The former being in my top 3 worst TNG eps ever, & the latter because, well, it's a clip-show...no thanks.

3) Pulaski was a far, far more interesting character than Crusher. It's actually a crying shame Crusher returned to the show, & ousted Muldaur (who is 75 now :eek:). I used to really dislike Pulaski, but in my later years I've warmed to her a lot more. All in all, she added a lot to the eps that featured her. Crusher was the safe & familiar bet, but Pulaski was just better.

4) Standout eps:

"Where Silence has Lease" - I'm not sure of the general consensus on this one, but I've always had a soft spot for it. I like episodes that feature weird space phenomena etc
"The Measure of a Man" Outstanding episode. Star Trek through & through.
"Time Squared" I love this episode, again it's the weird/strange type of episode that I like.
"Q Who" An all time favourite contender. Back when the Borg were mysterious, unknown, & foreboding. Great, great episode.

Season 3 awaits

SarahBM · 19-02-2014 8:48am

My run through is on hold til summer I'd say. So much college work to do. Going on to season 5. You might be caught up by the time I get to start watching again.

Daith · 19-02-2014 12:13pm

Myrddin wrote: »

3) Pulaski was a far, far more interesting character than Crusher.

I like Pulaski because she added some conflict. She always seemed to have more of a backbone than Crusher. Would have been interesting to see her during the Borg stuff.

norrie rugger · 19-02-2014 12:24pm

They went too far with her and the anti-Data thing. That was her only real character flaw, I imagine that they would have had her accept him more and more put they laid it on too thick.

Must more interesting character than Crusher though. It was Stewart that got her back AFAIK

Myrddin · 19-02-2014 12:36pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

They went too far with her and the anti-Data thing. That was her only real character flaw, I imagine that they would have had her accept him more and more put they laid it on too thick.

It was full on at the start, with her referring to Data as "it" etc. But even throughout the season, I felt she accepted him much more. It was somewhat prejudicial of her, which is unusual in a Roddenberry universe for a Starfleet officer...but I do think over the season they became friends.

Must more interesting character than Crusher though. It was Stewart that got her back AFAIK

Ugh, really? Was there any sour grapes when Muldaur found out & was presumably shown the door?

DenMan · 19-02-2014 12:39pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

They went too far with her and the anti-Data thing. That was her only real character flaw, I imagine that they would have had her accept him more and more put they laid it on too thick.

Must more interesting character than Crusher though. It was Stewart that got her back AFAIK

Maybe that was the point of it, that even in the 24th Century that prejudice was still there. That it is a human quality and Data touched on it in the pilot episode. Maybe Pulaski was afraid or even intimidated by technology itself (she didn't like using the transporter) and felt it was going too far. If it started to encroach on her profession of medicine she would feel useless. I wonder what she would have made of the Doctor in Voyager, what with him being a hologram and all!

norrie rugger · 19-02-2014 12:49pm

Yeah but I think that it could have been handled better. Just think that there was no subtlety to the character.
I think that it just came across as too brash and rubbed the audience up the wrong way. Remember that this is an audience that accepted Nichelle Nichols on the bridge and in TNG having a woman as security chief and black navigations officer.
I really liked her character but can understand why she grated on the audience

IvySlayer · 20-02-2014 6:41am

Pulaski was a fail version of McCoy, trying to spark a McCoy-Spock type relationship with Data

She warmed to Data eventually and even encouraged him to challenged himself (vs the Zakdorn)

I do think Pulaski would've gotten better as the series progressed though, she was different to the otherwise flawless characters

Crusher was a bit bland imo, I much prefer Pulaskis confrontational, dominant and no nonsense approach

Daith · 20-02-2014 11:21am

Myrddin wrote: »

It was full on at the start, with her referring to Data as "it" etc. But even throughout the season, I felt she accepted him much more. It was somewhat prejudicial of her, which is unusual in a Roddenberry universe for a Starfleet officer...but I do think over the season they became friends.

What's the point of everyone "accepting" Data straight away? That was the point that her character was developing because she realized Data was more than a machine. The fact that they became friends is good character work.

I thought Data improved as a character because he had conflict with Pulaski (and Maddox) and proved himself.

Somebody should have told Troi that she was useless. Might have helped her a bit.

Myrddin · 20-02-2014 11:34am

Daith wrote: »

What's the point of everyone "accepting" Data straight away? That was the point that her character was developing because she realized Data was more than a machine. The fact that they became friends is good character work.

I thought Data improved as a character because he had conflict with Pulaski (and Maddox) and proved himself.

Somebody should have told Troi that she was useless. Might have helped her a bit.

I'm not saying its a problem, but it does conflict with Season 1 & that everyone accepted him right away...which would lead you to think in the 24th century, petty prejudices aren't at the forefront of humanity anymore. Data was also a Starfleet Academy graduate, who progressed through the ranks to Lt. Cmdr...one would think then that people don't have anything against him...& that Pulaski's problems with Data were shoe horned in, to ape the McCoy/Spock relationship of 100 years prior.

Daith · 20-02-2014 12:34pm

Myrddin wrote: »

I'm not saying its a problem, but it does conflict with Season 1 & that everyone accepted him right away...which would lead you to think in the 24th century, petty prejudices aren't at the forefront of humanity anymore. Data was also a Starfleet Academy graduate, who progressed through the ranks to Lt. Cmdr...one would think then that people don't have anything against him...& that Pulaski's problems with Data were shoe horned in, to ape the McCoy/Spock relationship of 100 years prior.

Yeah I get you but I suppose I always disliked the whole "humanity is brilliant and everyone is friends" from the start of TNG.

Data gets alot of good moments in Redemption PT2 when he takes over the ship. I don't think it would have been half as effective if his XO supported him from the start.

norrie rugger · 20-02-2014 12:51pm

For me it was the fact that no one pulled her up on it. Geordi (Data's best friend) allows it to go as far as a bet to prove his ability.
It was just that there were better examples of how it was done with Commander Maddox and in Redemption.

Again I think that we all agreed that there was an arc intended there, where she was meant to grow to begrudgingly be friends with Data (ala McCoy and Spock) but it was just too hamfisted, had she been there from the start I think that everyone would have enjoyed the character more

Indricotherium · 21-02-2014 2:58pm

Myrddin wrote: »

"Q Who" An all time favourite contender. Back when the Borg were mysterious, unknown, & foreboding. Great, great episode.

I always thought in Voyager the borg should have just got one or two of those Kazon ships that used to demolish voyager the whole time in series 1.

norrie rugger · 21-02-2014 3:19pm

Yeah: Akiras, Defiants, SteamRunners, Sovereigns, Galaxys and Nebulas could not handle a single Borg cube (without Picard's intimate knowledge) but a single Intrepid class could go after a tactical cube no problem.

Those Kazon must have been some tough ships

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 21-02-2014 4:00pm

Just finished my latest re-watch of Season 2 myself and agree about Pulaski. Thought she added more to the overall dynamic of the show than Crusher. Was always good to see her in the poker games with the lads.

Myrddin · 21-02-2014 4:15pm

Lol, love the new username

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 21-02-2014 4:22pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Lol, love the new username

Thanks. It came to me during a bit of a marathon the other day and just felt right. :cool:

Daith · 21-02-2014 5:24pm

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Just finished my latest re-watch of Season 2 myself and agree about Pulaski. Thought she added more to the overall dynamic of the show than Crusher. Was always good to see her in the poker games with the lads.

Woo go Team Pulaski!

DenMan · 21-02-2014 9:15pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

Yeah: Akiras, Defiants, SteamRunners, Sovereigns, Galaxys and Nebulas could not handle a single Borg cube (without Picard's intimate knowledge) but a single Intrepid class could go after a tactical cube no problem.

Those Kazon must have been some tough ships

It wasn't their technology to begin with. They were designed originally by the Trabe.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Predator_class

norrie rugger · 21-02-2014 9:38pm

I know that but the point is that they did more damage to Voyager than frikken Borg Cubes!!

SarahBM · 22-02-2014 2:55am

I alway thought Voyager was a prettier ship than the Enterprise. The Enterprise always seemed fat to me - just an observation.

helimachoptor · 22-02-2014 3:55pm

@sarah... You is whack!

The enterprise is honking piece of space sexiness, yeah voyager is ok but to me size matters tbh! Though I love the defiant!

norrie rugger · 22-02-2014 3:57pm

Pretty and ****ty

Enterprise ABCDE were all things of beauty.

Goodshape · 22-02-2014 6:33pm

Wasn't crazy about the Enterprise E. It was a stylish ship I guess but after the D it just felt like style over substance. Too small, squat and "sleek" (in space? Why?). Didn't seem like the same linear and iconic progression there was from Original->A->B->C->D.

The Enterprise D might not have been traditionally "pretty" – but it was literally awesome. That thing was immense. Galaxy Class. I loved it.

norrie rugger · 22-02-2014 6:35pm

Remember that they have to create a warp field around the ship so empty space, that the D generated, was a waste of energy

Edit
just thinking, even with structural integrity fields, the material fatigue on the neck must have been enormous.

PS Ent-D is my favourite, just that I do understand some of the critics.
Ent-C Ambassador comes second

Kiith · 22-02-2014 7:33pm

Darmok and Jalad at at Tanagra.

Absolutely love this episode.

Also, Enterprise D was the best Enterprise. I always had a soft spot for the Akira class though.

norrie rugger · 22-02-2014 10:31pm

Temba, his arms wide

helimachoptor · 23-02-2014 11:19am

Yeah that Darmok & Jald ep is utterly fantastic!

time to go look at some ship porn

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