In America 1 in 3 women will be sexually assualted in her lifetime

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 6:02am #1

http://www.woar.org/resources/sexual-assault-statistics.php

In the US 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted. In Sweden 1 in 4 women will be raped. http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/ Strangely the Muslim community in Sweden represented 77% of the reported cases. I am not sure about the statistics for male rape or child abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
In the UK 16 % of boys 13- 18 have experienced sexual violence.
In the UK one third that is 1 in 3 girls 13-18 have experienced sexual violence.

In the UK 12% of boys and 3% of girls self reported committing sexual violence against their own partners.
Can we change society?

Can we change the human species? It would be horrible to think this is just something humans do. It is quite sick. How is it stopped?

Interesting an expert on Date rape and the narcissism of rapists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lisak

kneemos · 21-04-2013 7:49am

I think they need some new terminology,a slap on the bum is sexual assault,most people think of something more serious when they hear the term.

EoghanIRL · 21-04-2013 7:52am

There is diferrent degrees of sexual assault....I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and say that 1 in 3 are severely assaulted .

token101 · 21-04-2013 8:30am

Would that mean that one in every three men, give or take, is a sexual predator? Or that say one in every seven or eight is a serial sexual predator? Because 30% of all women in America is a high number and, not that I doubt the validity of your statistics or anything, it would require an awful lot of nasty men to exist. What do you suggest is the solution OP?

Three Seasons · 21-04-2013 8:35am

token101 wrote: »

Would that mean that one in every three men, give or take, is a sexual predator? Or that say one in every seven or eight is a serial sexual predator? Because 30% of all women in America is a high number and, not that I doubt the validity of your statistics or anything, it would require an awful lot of nasty men to exist. What do you suggest is the solution OP?

Not really, it could just be one highly active bum grabber touring America.

Wabbit Ears · 21-04-2013 8:40am

Considering I know a fair few people and only a very small minority of them have experienced sexual violence I have to say these statistics are complete lies made up by people with agendas to their own extreme causes.

token101 · 21-04-2013 8:41am

Three Seasons wrote: »

Not really, it could just be one highly active bum grabber touring America.

Goosers are losers.

21-04-2013 8:44am

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Considering I know a fair few people and only a very small minority of them have experienced sexual violence I have to say these statistics are complete lies made up by people with agendas to their own extreme causes.

Your ignorance is astounding. Do you really believe the majority of women who have been assaulted share this info with their entire social circle? Many people tell no-one, or tell only a partner or close friend.

token101 · 21-04-2013 8:45am

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Considering I know a fair few people and only a very small minority of them have experienced sexual violence I have to say these statistics are complete lies made up by people with agendas to their own extreme causes.

And the opening line from the OP's Swedish link reads:

Sweden has imported huge numbers of Muslim immigrants with catastrophic effect.

I stopped reading there but I'd be relatively confident the rest is bollocks.

namloc1980 · 21-04-2013 8:47am

Yet another thread demonising men. Seems to be a bit of a trend lately.

21-04-2013 9:03am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yet another thread demonising men. Seems to be a bit of a trend lately.

There's a difference between demonising sexual predators, and demonising men as a whole gender.

token101 · 21-04-2013 9:06am

Candie wrote: »

There's a difference between demonising sexual predators, and demonising men as a whole gender.

When you say 1 in 3 US women has been the subject of "sexual violence", then no, no there isn't.

21-04-2013 9:09am

token101 wrote: »

When you say 1 in 3 US women has been the subject of "sexual violence", then no, no there isn't.

That doesn't demonise any man who isn't the perpetrator of sexual violence. So no, it doesn't.

tunedout · 21-04-2013 9:12am

Sadly, it seems in todays world, a woman who goes out and gets very drunk and ends up riding her friend who she would never have rode otherwise considers herself to have been sexually assaulted.

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 9:20am

I've had my ass grabbed, crotch groped etc... unwanted advances that got waaayyy to close for my liking by women.

Would not consider myself to have been sexually assaulted though.

Anyone who has their ass groped and considers themselves a 'survivor' needs to cop on tbh.

Akrasia · 21-04-2013 9:24am

The link in the op is from an organisation called 'women against organised rape'.

They don't even have their own Wikipedia page.

Not the most trustworthy source imaginable.

token101 · 21-04-2013 9:25am

Candie wrote: »

That doesn't demonise any man who isn't the perpetrator of sexual violence. So no, it doesn't.

Of course it does FFS. If you're pulling some statistic out of the air saying that one in every three women has been attacked then logic dictates, even accounting for serial offenders, that a very high proportion of men is a violent sexual predator. I'd calling that demonising an entire gender.

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 9:26am

kneemos wrote: »

I think they need some new terminology,a slap on the bum is sexual assault,most people think of something more serious when they hear the term.

No it isn't legally. And what to stupid thing to say.

Illinois State law defines sexual assault as:

Sexual penetration by force or threat of force or an act of sexual penetration when the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent. (720 ILCS 5 Criminal Code of 1961 §12-13)

It covers anything from unwanted touching to rape ...

And 1 in4 women in Sweden will be RAPED...

And 1 in 4 college women in the US report surviving rape or attempted rape.
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

A third of girls in the UK under 18 report being the victim of sexual violence. 16% of boys under 18 in the UK report being the victims of sexual violence.

..and anyway unwanted fondling...of course that's not serious at all is it ?

Society in Denial

And the stats of male rape in prisons are very alarming.

Slap on the bum my arse.

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 9:35am

token101 wrote: »

Of course it does FFS. If you're pulling some statistic out of the air saying that one in every three women has been attacked then logic dictates, even accounting for serial offenders, that a very high proportion of men is a violent sexual predator. I'd calling that demonising an entire gender.

I don't care what you call it quite frankly.

I care just as much about male victims as female victims and worry just as much about female perpetrators.

And what about the 16 % of boys under 18 in the uk reporting being the victims of sexual violence is that demonizing too?

In the US 1 in every 10 victims is male.
Prison rape stats are higher....and no one even seems to care or make an effort to change that it is just accepted.

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 9:38am

token101 wrote: »

Of course it does FFS. If you're pulling some statistic out of the air saying that one in every three women has been attacked then logic dictates, even accounting for serial offenders, that a very high proportion of men is a violent sexual predator. I'd calling that demonising an entire gender.

What has it got to do with their gender anyway???

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 9:41am

And of course people are more concerned with the 'Image of men' than women and men being raped....which is why society is screwed

ScumLord · 21-04-2013 9:46am

Lou.m wrote: »

Can we change the human species? It would be horrible to think this is just something humans do.

No person is born civilised, it's learned behaviour that's taken us thousands of years to develop.

Lou.m wrote: »

And 1 in4 women in Sweden will be RAPED...

I find that a very strange way of putting it. It's almost like a threat.

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 9:54am

Lou.m wrote: »

No it isn't legally. And what to stupid thing to say.

Illinois State law defines sexual assault as:

Sexual penetration by force or threat of force or an act of sexual penetration when the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent. (720 ILCS 5 Criminal Code of 1961 §12-13)

It covers anything from unwanted touching to rape ...

And 1 in4 women in Sweden will be RAPED...

And 1 in 4 college women in the US report surviving rape or attempted rape.
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

A third of girls in the UK under 18 report being the victim of sexual violence. 16% of boys under 18 in the UK report being the victims of sexual violence.

..and anyway unwanted fondling...of course that's not serious at all is it ?

Society in Denial

And the stats of male rape in prisons are very alarming.

Slap on the bum my arse.

We've had a couple of threads on this in the past few days and it seems a lot of people think being groped = rape.

It depends on the situation.

Like a vulnerable person (child, disabled person etc...) being touched by their teacher, carer whatever obviously qualifies as sexual assault.

However, in the other thread, a girl said she had her ass grabbed by some drunken idiot on the street as he walked by with his mates. Obviously wrong to do but the two scenarios are light years away from one another.

The second one is easily brushed off in a matter of seconds.

RustyNut · 21-04-2013 9:54am

Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 9:58am

Lou.m wrote: »

And of course people are more concerned with the 'Image of men' than women and men being raped....which is why society is screwed

I think people are questioning whether your statistics are valid, and whether they consider drunken antics, crossed wires between people etc... to be sexual assault.

And I think, if they do, it just diminishes the seriousness of actual sexual assault crimes. AKA. Rape, molestation,

Fr_Fitzexactly · 21-04-2013 9:58am

Jaysus tis an awful wirreld we live in

abdul 1995 · 21-04-2013 10:03am

Lou.m wrote: »

http://www.woar.org/resources/sexual-assault-statistics.php

In the US 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted. In Sweden 1 in 4 women will be raped. http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-as-sexual-assaults-increase-500/ Strangely the Muslim community in Sweden represented 77% of the reported cases. I am not sure about the statistics for male rape or child abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
In the UK 16 % of boys 13- 18 have experienced sexual violence.
In the UK one third that is 1 in 3 girls 13-18 have experienced sexual violence.

In the UK 12% of boys and 3% of girls self reported committing sexual violence against their own partners.
Can we change society?

Can we change the human species? It would be horrible to think this is just something humans do. It is quite sick. How is it stopped?

Interesting an expert on Date rape and the narcissism of rapists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lisak

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 10:05am

:mad:

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

I was kind of going against what the OP was saying.

But your post want to make me forget about logic and reason, come to your house, and bash your head in with a baseball bat.

abdul 1995 · 21-04-2013 10:06am

Dean0088 wrote: »

:mad:

I was kind of going against what the OP was saying.

But your post want to make me forget about logic and reason, come to your house, and bash your head in with a baseball bat.

haha your very welcome i can even give u my adress if u want then well see whos head will be bashed

biko · 21-04-2013 10:09am

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

A girl should be able to walk down the street naked, it still doesn't give anyone the right to rape her abdul.

up for anything · 21-04-2013 10:10am

tunedout wrote: »

Sadly, it seems in todays world, a woman who goes out and gets very drunk and ends up riding her friend who she would never have rode otherwise considers herself to have been sexually assaulted.

Sounds like a bit of personal bitterness there.

I think most women who have done that chalk it up to experience and try never to get to that level of drunkenness again, avoid the friend, and cringe whenever they remember it in the future or else they just pass it off as a WTF was I thinking moment and forget about it and resume friendly relations. I know I've done both.

There is a big difference between ending up drunk and voluntarily 'riding a friend' and ending up incapacitated by alcohol and discovering 'a friend' has taken advantage of your comatose state - when it gets to that point you realise that your friend was never really a friend.

abdul 1995 · 21-04-2013 10:11am

tunedout wrote: »

Sadly, it seems in todays world, a woman who goes out and gets very drunk and ends up riding her friend who she would never have rode otherwise considers herself to have been sexually assaulted.

this is exactly what i meant, and it is rape as men are taking advantage of her,but then isnt it her fault she got herself into that situation in the first place basically its everyones fault and people should be educated

abdul 1995 · 21-04-2013 10:13am

biko wrote: »

A girl should be able to walk down the street naked, it still doesn't give anyone the right to rape her abdul.

try tell that to a rapist xD to him shes just pray and if the statistics are true and i hope they are not then teres a lot of 'em out there

deisedave · 21-04-2013 10:15am

abdul 1995 wrote: »

this is exactly what i meant, and it is rape as men are taking advantage of her,but then isnt it her fault she got herself into that situation in the first place basically its everyones fault and people should be educated

But in that situation the man is also probably drunk so you just say its the mans fault maybe because he is drunk and wouldn't have sex with her sober he is being raped.

eireannBEAR · 21-04-2013 10:16am

iv been sexually assaulted by women numerous times and im a man,playful physical contact should not be deemed assault,i have had women grab my privates hit my ass [a lot] and touch me with out my permission yet if i did this to a woman i would be in prison as a sex offender,not to mention people claiming sexual assault at every moment belittles it for genuine women that were ACTUALLY seriously assaulted!

and on a few occasions i was cornered by a group of auld ones and groped..now that did feel like a sexual assault lol!!!

biko · 21-04-2013 10:18am

Let's not take the women's word for it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8107039.stm

One in four South African men questioned in a survey said they had raped someone, and nearly half of them admitted more than one attack.The MRC spoke to 1,738 men in KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape provinces.

NIMAN · 21-04-2013 10:18am

These figures are a load of balls.

Legs.Eleven · 21-04-2013 10:20am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yet another thread demonising men. Seems to be a bit of a trend lately.

Oh yeah? Well I'm seeing it from a different point of view....

tunedout wrote: »

Sadly, it seems in todays world, a woman who goes out and gets very drunk and ends up riding her friend who she would never have rode otherwise considers herself to have been sexually assaulted.

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

kneemos · 21-04-2013 10:21am

Dean0088 wrote: »

I think people are questioning whether your statistics are valid, and whether they consider drunken antics, crossed wires between people etc... to be sexual assault.

And I think, if they do, it just diminishes the seriousness of actual sexual assault crimes. AKA. Rape, molestation,

They're doing their cause more harm than good with crazy statistics that no one believes.

NIMAN · 21-04-2013 10:22am

Always wondered about the 1-in-4 group in this country too, also nonsense.

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 10:23am

biko wrote: »

Let's not take the women's word for it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8107039.stm

Different society, different culture. And a despicable one.

I'm pretty sure if I suggest gang rape to my friends I'd be ostrasised from the group, and likely reported to the garda. And rightly so.

Handsome Bob · 21-04-2013 10:24am

tunedout wrote: »

Sadly, it seems in todays world, a woman who goes out and gets very drunk and ends up riding her friend who she would never have rode otherwise considers herself to have been sexually assaulted.

You must not have a very high opinion of women if that's what you think.

Fukuyama · 21-04-2013 10:25am

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Oh yeah? Well I'm seeing it from a different point of view....

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Abdul isn't Irish, and has some warped fcuked up view of women and sex derived from a different 'culture' where it's seems permissible to forcibly rape someone because they're wearing a skirt.

eireannBEAR · 21-04-2013 10:26am

lads cop on ...we are all sexed crazed rapist monsters that want semi-gay sex with our mates lol oh and those of us that disagree with abortion are only trying to control women too...fact lol

up for anything · 21-04-2013 10:28am

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

abdul 1995 wrote: »

this is exactly what i meant, and it is rape as men are taking advantage of her,but then isnt it her fault she got herself into that situation in the first place basically its everyones fault and people should be educated

I smell a troll or perhaps based on your user name a certain attitude towards women.

If all it takes is a mini-skirt or a passed out woman for a man to regard her as fair game for rape then maybe it is similarly alright for men to be demonised.

I think you need to get a grip, Abdul. :rolleyes:

RustyNut · 21-04-2013 10:29am

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

I can't remember the last time I heard of a girl in a short skirt raping anyone.

hfallada · 21-04-2013 10:33am

Something like 1 in 4 americans that study in Europe get raped during the year. Date Rape drugs are used a lot in university in America. i think americans are more likely to report sexual assaults than here.

up for anything · 21-04-2013 10:35am

NIMAN wrote: »

Always wondered about the 1-in-4 group in this country too, also nonsense.

You'd think but if you go back through the various threads discussing this you will discover that it is not that far-fetched.

Go through the scary or weird things that have happened to people thread and count the 'I was lucky I didn't get snatched' posts, and the people who posted those have absolutely nothing to gain from making up their stories, not even 'thanks' as there are so many of them they literally become a bit boring. If for everyone person who posted that they were nearly the victim of a child molester, there is even one child who wasn't so lucky I'd say the figures would go up to 1 in 3 or even 2.

Lingua Franca · 21-04-2013 10:38am

Dean0088 wrote: »

However, in the other thread, a girl said she had her ass grabbed by some drunken idiot on the street as he walked by with his mates. Obviously wrong to do but the two scenarios are light years away from one another.

Drunken idiot walking by with his mates?

Get it right.

Lingua Franca wrote: »

I don't go to nightclubs, myself. Any time I've been groped it has been in public (extra humiliation on top of the invasion of my body). I was groped at the age of 14 by two grown men in a crowd at a concert. I was groped on the street at the age of 30 by a teenager who ran up behind me and assaulted me.

I had more than my ass grabbed.

I also had to admit I've been raped after so many people scoffing that I should tell that to a real rape victim.

Sorry to interrupt the continued belittling of my experiences. Please, do go on.

kylith · 21-04-2013 10:40am

abdul 1995 wrote: »

how is it stopped, i dont think it can, a culture that encourages girls to go out in mini-skirts is gonna have a high rape statistic don you think

Well, if that's the case I guess the middle east must have an incredibly low rate of sexual assault and rape.

Oh, wait. It doesn't.
"...found that 83 percent of Egyptian women have been sexually harassed in public and nearly half described the harassment as occurring on a daily basis."
http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/2013/03/voices-the-politics-of-egypts-rape-sexual-assault-epidemic-85138/#ixzz2R5odL9uv

In my opinion the rape of women is directly linked to their dehumanisation. The fact that some culture blame women for their own rape because of how they were dressed, in my opinion, practically encourages rape because if it's the woman's fault then it's not the man's fault. She 'led him on'. She 'wanted it'. He 'couldn't control himself'.

What really horrifies me is the number of women who are blamed for their rapes and ostracised by their families and communities, and who accept this and see themselves as dirty, marred, and culpable. I have to keep reminding myself that it wasn't so long ago that it was the same in Ireland, and that if we can change in our attitudes then, hopefully, so can other cultures.

abdul 1995 · 21-04-2013 10:43am

up for anything wrote: »

I smell a troll or perhaps based on your user name a certain attitude towards women.

If all it takes is a mini-skirt or a passed out woman for a man to regard her as fair game for rape then maybe it is similarly alright for men to be demonised.

I think you need to get a grip, Abdul. :rolleyes:

smell whatever u want loser whats ur point o.0

In America 1 in 3 women will be sexually assualted in her lifetime

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