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Boom_Bap wrote: »

Also done some stuff with MC Eiht, they were supposed to drop an album together a few years back.

Ah yes. Doesn't he have a beat on Eiht's next album too? Think I read that somewhere. Haha god when you think about it, the amount of collab albums he's supposed to be doing is more than he actually has done with Guru. The Blaq Poet collab was dope though. Actually the only one that seems to be happening it the KRS one which is a load of bull because KRS to me is wack. He had two decent solos which were only great because of Primo. I know legend and all that but I think he's very boring. I dunno if any of ye checked out his joint this year, The BDP Album but I gave it one quick spin as part of a study break. It was gawbage as the man himself would say. Honestly the whole real hip hop, I'm vital to the culture, weak current emcees etc got boring and frankly wack after Krisstyles which was pretty ordinary. So whats the point wasting 10-15 Primo beats on this wack @ss? Honestly I don't get Primo at times. If he got Nas over an album, it'd be 10x doper, he'd get more money (from sales and from the cash Nas would pay). KRS himself said he doesn't care if his albums dont sell at all. He literally does no advertising or hype for his albums. Then why is Primo doing this. He owes KRS nothing. He owes hip hop a Nas collab album. Simple as.

*Rant Over haha*

On a side note, have any of ye heard that Primo track by House Of Repz "U Gotta Love Us"? Well I only found out like two or three months ago that it actually was a recycled beat supposed to be from Luda. Well theres a video on youtube with Primo and Luda in the studio. Primo starts doing his scratching and ish with that beat. It is soooooo dope man!!! Luda would have dropped another classic Primo joint. Still dunno what happened there and why an unknown group got it. Check out the video and the house of repz track if you haven't. Good ish especially Primo in studio. I'd post links but I'm on my phone. Just type in "Dj Premier Ludacris studio" and you should be good.

Oh is KRS like totally bowed down to here haha? Well f it I just find the dude boring as crap 80% of the vine. I'd go into it more but I'd probably lose the little credibility I might have here :P. But honestly his projects of the last few years are tragic. I know the dude has been around considerably longer than I've been alive but honestly someone close to him has to be telling him he just isn't good anymore. I just think he won't step it up just because it's Primo and to me thats a waste of precious beats you know? Let me put it this way, who do you think honestly would do better service to Primo beats now? Nas or KRS? Esco every time for me. Look Return Of The Boom Bap was decent if not very good but the Primo tracks are by far the standouts...for me anyway. It's the same with the self titled too...again for me. But look my favourite KRS tracks from that album are Wannabemceez and Rappaz S N Dainja mainly because of Preem. Take Wannabemceez for example, the opening line is something like "Let me introduce you to another type of rapper MC" that is wack. And then the closing line on the first verse is like "Battling me. No no no no no no no." honestly that could not be considered "lyrical", "dope" or whatever you want to call good MCing. Compare that to Nas from either Illmatic or It Was Written. Take NY State Of Mind "rappers I monkey flip em with the funky rhythm I'd be kickin"...that right there is bananas *pun intended*. And then for closing lines, I'm gonna use the one from The Message which tbh I might get tattooed on me but with the first part changed with something else "a thug changes, and love changes and best friends become strangers". Honestly KRS is the Teacha but even stuff from his best tracks is uninspiring for me compared to Nas. I understand his legacy and his influence etc but at the end of the day I listen to rap and judge it solely on how good it sounds and not how influential it is. Thats why KRS would not make it high at all on my top rappers list or why none of his albums including the Boogie Down ish would make high on my top albums list. I'm probably making jaws drop and ish and you're probably think I don't know sh*t about hip hop but whatever. I've listened to too much to seperate the good from the bad. Anyway thats my thoughts....

Btw I apologise if I misquoted lyrics....I'm keeping one eye on the match so...

Oh definitely. I'm not denying the guys legacy, influence and respect he's earned and all deservedly too...but honestly if KRS debuted in the mid 90's most ppl would think the guy is wack and untalented. I know thats irrelevant because he was there in the 80's but if you compare his work to Rakim or Cool J in the 80s they made better sounding music and were the better MC's. In the 90's you've got Nas, Jigga and Prodigy to name 3 who tore up the mid 90's and were considerably better than KRS. And I just think KRS is embarrassing himself by releasing so many pointless projects. If he did it more like Ice Cube (eventhough he is slightly watched up too), every few years he'd be alot better off and frankly he'd have more respect, particulary from ppl my age. Of the few ppl I know who know of KRS they are all my age and think he is god awful besides his influence. Thats what I'm tryin to say. He's just not a great rapper and is a bit one dimensional for me. By no means am I dissing his influence and all. He's as important to hip hop as Kurtis Blow, Ra, Cool J or G Rap but they were all better at what they did, well the last 3 anyway. Although Cool J is wack now G Rap and Rakim are still going strong lyrically and I think KRS is not because he is sticking to the same blooming topics. Thats why Mobb Deep got washed up. Theres only so much tracks you can talk about Queensbridge, the Dun language and crack/guns/murders etc.

To be brief, I respect KRS for what he has done for hip hop and how he has promoted the culture but it's time to pass the mic over.

F*ck my bad I never saw your post!!

I'm 18, so KRS debuted a good few years before I was born haha. I'll admit I haven't every heard every project by him and I haven't given all of his albums more than one spin but I have heard:
Criminal Minded, By All Means Necessary, Blueprint, Edutainment, Boom Bap, Self Titled, I Got Next, Krisstyles, half off Spiritual Minded (been on my ipod with ages still haven't finished it.) the Showbiz collab, the Freddie Foxxx collab and the BDP Album. But I've only given proper attention to By All Means Necessary, Blueprint, Boom Bap, Self Titled and Kris Styles because the others didn't catch my attention from the bounce. Maybe I'm not qualified to criticise KRS. If I'm not I retract everything I've said on the dude. I'll definitely be checking out that Marley Marl collab as you seem to think it's nice. But honestly I find his stuff very repetitive. Thats partially my fault because as I've gotten into more rap I've become more accustomed to abstract and alternative hip hop like Cannibal Ox, Latyrx, Antipop Consortium etc but I can't help that.

Haha I'm the exact same with Drake and Wayne eventhough I have heard Take Care and Comeback Season (which actually is pretty damn good). As for Wayne, never heard a full release. Can't bear it. Yeah I could criticise Pac too but I do love his music. He has 3 albums I'd consider either classic or borderline but still he wouldn't make my top 15 of all time. Neither would Biggie btw.

^ummm I think you've got it a lil mixed up. It was Mobb Deep that I was boiling down to guns/crime/crack/Queens...not KRS. I know thats probably being harsh on the IMD considering tracks like Drink Away The Pain, Where Ya Heart At but to be blunt thats what they are...