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Grand National 2012

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    #482
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    I think reducing the field to a max of 30 would stop the cavalry charge over the first few and might help reduce fatalities.

    40 is too many runners.


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    #483
    Cheeky_gal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Cheeky_gal


    It is a very sad day indeed. I have been looking forward to this race every day for the past few weeks and now that it's over (and I lost a lot of money) I have this feeling of sadness. Not at all over the money but over what happened Synchronised and According to Pete. It seems as though my whole family are on a downer after watching the Grand National. Surely that shouldnt be the case, win or lose?

    They seriously need to reevaluate today's incidents and make some changes for the future.

    How ironic was Synchronised running off before the race! His last "naughty" run as the commentator put it :)


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    #484
    newuser89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 713 ✭✭✭newuser89


    my girlfreind watched the grand national for the first time today
    she found it hard to watch the race as horses kept falling
    its a real shame what happened synchronised i really liked him


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    #485
    Colonel Sanders
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    newuser89 wrote: »
    my girlfreind watched the grand national for the first time today
    she found it hard to watch the race as horses kept falling
    its a real shame what happened synchronised i really liked him

    My wife was the same. She cried when she'd heard According To Pete had died

    I watched it again a while ago. Jacob going up the inside at Beechers the 2nd time actually gained the horse several lengths & may have won him the race. On the other hand he was lucky not to be brought down at least twice

    According To Pete was still travelling ominously well when he fell & I'm still not sure how Cappa Bleu managed to finish 4th


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    #486
    ste2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭ste2010


    Definitely think the numbers and the height of fences need to be reduced! There's no need for it the way it is at the moment, it'd be just as enjoyable without the carnage at the start. What's ironic is the BHA and HRI talk about attracting new race goers and unfortunately the only bloody race everyone tunes into is the national...between all te messing at the start and the loss of synchronized and according to pete racing definitely going to get the negative attention it doesn't deserve..
    On another note fences should be more forgiving in my opinion not only in the national but also in other chases..i don't mean making them smaller in the normal chases I mean how sharp the top of te fences are. I walk my dogs up at punchestown and sometimes the fences and hurdles are lying around the back..the very tips of the fences could be softened or coated with something to prevent cutting .. Simple thing to do and maybe fences aren't treated the same at each race course but again there's no need for it


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    #487
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    Jacob probably will get a ban for overuse but he was not too bad, I counted 9 from the last fence.

    I think the last fence cost Seabass his chance, he was travelling the best and he shuddered on landing and was straight off the bridle, real shame.

    First female winner would have made all the headlines but sadly it will be about Pete and Synchronised.

    The powers that be could bring in a 4m 4 flat race as a trial for the race, if you don't stay then you can't run in the National, this would even it out. The other problem is the numbers, a lot of horses got brought down, at the canal turn a load of horses had nowhere to go as one horse on the inside put in a poor jump.


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    #488
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    hucklebuck wrote: »
    The powers that be could bring in a 4m 4 flat race as a trial for the race, if you don't stay then you can't run in the National, this would even it out. The other problem is the numbers, a lot of horses got brought down, at the canal turn a load of horses had nowhere to go as one horse on the inside put in a poor jump.

    Id be asleep after 2.5 miles.

    The Ascot Gold Cup is bad enough :P


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    #489
    Nulty
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    Don't know if I mentioned this before but Sunnyhillboy travelled, I'd blindly guess, a furlong or more than the winner and nearly every other horse in the race. Out side the whole way around....the whole way!

    The moral victor. Crisp like. For such a little horse to give away so much ground I almost think he deserved it more than the gallant grey. I'm gutted for McLernon and Sunnyhillboy.

    I know why they did it though. Sunnyhillboy NEEDS to see his fences and hates being crowded. Also, the drops are deeper on the inside so for a small horse he needed to avoid falling above all else. The right decision and a good ride but you have to feel for the horse. He ran a better race than the winner.


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    #490
    hucklebuck
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    mdwexford wrote: »
    Id be asleep after 2.5 miles.

    The Ascot Gold Cup is bad enough :P

    I would not even watch it but would be a good test of a horses ability to stay.


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    #491
    Juwwi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    I dont think its the 4m4f trip thats the problem horses arent dying of heart attacks after the race and most of them fall in the first half of the race aswell so its not tired legs its the 40 runners followed by the fences imo.

    If they had a max of 30 runners and for the top 1 foot of the fences had
    the haydock style brush hurdletype of stuff for the top foot it would still be a great spectacle but not half as many fallers.


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    #492
    AngryBollix
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    I had €20 each way on Sunnyhillboy. I almost wretched in the bookies


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    #493
    thekid9
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    Anyone know how many horses finished the race?


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    #494
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    AngryBollix wrote: »
    I had €20 each way on Sunnyhillboy. I almost wretched in the bookies[/QUOTE
    HAHAHA!!!!
    I had neptunes and sunnyhill ew so was win win hahah!!!!!


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    #495
    titan18
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    thekid9 wrote: »
    Anyone know how many horses finished the race?

    15 I think


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    #496
    Dazza
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Dazza


    If anyone wants to view the race again I have it in HD. Download via torrent with this ink here


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    #497
    thekid9
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    Need to know for definate as it was part of a predicition quiz our club is running?


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    #498
    mailburner
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    15 it was
    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,482083,00.html


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    #499
    AngryBollix
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    robbie1977 wrote: »
    I dont think its the 4m4f trip thats the problem horses arent dying of heart attacks after the race and most of them fall in the first half of the race aswell so its not tired legs its the 40 runners followed by the fences imo.

    If they had a max of 30 runners and for the top 1 foot of the fences had
    the haydock style brush hurdletype of stuff for the top foot it would still be a great spectacle but not half as many fallers.


    Youre just assuming there wouldnt be as many fallers. How can you be so sure?


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    thekid9
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭thekid9


    mailburner wrote: »
    15 it was
    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Results/0,12493,482083,00.html

    Cheers


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    #501
    Juwwi
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    AngryBollix wrote: »
    Youre just assuming there wouldnt be as many fallers. How can you be so sure?

    I cant be sure but if a 6 foot fence is only 5 foot with 1 foot of the brush hurdle stuff it gives the horse a foot of a leeway if it does hit the fence.

    In your opinion do you not think it would work?


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    #502
    ste2010
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    AngryBollix wrote: »
    I had €20 each way on Sunnyhillboy. I almost wretched in the bookies
    That's why your called angrybollix...I can picture ye standing there wretching in the bookie snapping pens and throwing at the tv's ye angry bollix


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    #503
    Huntley
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    A 4 and a half furlong trial race on the flat? I've heard it all now.


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    #504
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    robbie1977 wrote: »
    If they had a max of 30 runners and for the top 1 foot of the fences had the haydock style brush hurdletype of stuff for the top foot it would still be a great spectacle but not half as many fallers.

    I don't think this would make any difference, there is plenty of give in the top of those fence, most fallers are due to the depth of the fences and the difference heights on the take off and landing sides in my opinion, the other issue is having to take evasive action with bodies strewn on the deck.


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    #505
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    Huntley wrote: »
    A 4 and a half furlong trial race on the flat? I've heard it all now.

    Well there are 5 furlong races :D


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    #506
    ste2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭ste2010


    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Huntley wrote: »
    A 4 and a half furlong trial race on the flat? I've heard it all now.

    Well there are 5 furlong races :D

    You were joking though huckle? It would be hilarious...I can imagine the 4m version of overturn or celestial halo p*ssing it off as a front runner only to be pulled up with a mile and a half to run


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    #507
    Juwwi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Well there are 5 furlong races :D

    I think theres 2 furlong races in America.

    And if humans can run 26 miles on the flat why cant a horse run 4 and a half on the flat.:D.


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    #508
    ste2010
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    robbie1977 wrote: »
    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Well there are 5 furlong races :D

    I think theres 2 furlong races in America.

    And if humans can run 26 miles on the flat why cant a horse run 4 and a half on the flat.:D.

    And If horses can be handicappe why can't humans..usain bolt carrying top weight of 15stone


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    #509
    hucklebuck
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    ste2010 wrote: »
    You were joking though huckle? It would be hilarious...I can imagine the 4m version of overturn or celestial halo p*ssing it off as a front runner only to be pulled up with a mile and a half to run

    No, not about the 4m 4f flat race, imo if it irons out the non stayers it will make for a better race, this way you have the highest rated horses that get the trip and then the only lottery is the race itself :p

    If there was decent prize money Big Bucks would run and sluice in.


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    #510
    hucklebuck
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    ste2010 wrote: »
    And If horses can be handicappe why can't humans..usain bolt carrying top weight of 15stone

    I would love that, I could run against him carrying one packet of Kerrygold and still lose by 3 seconds!!!


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    #511
    hucklebuck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    robbie1977 wrote: »
    And if humans can run 26 miles on the flat why cant a horse run 4 and a half on the flat.:D.

    A 26 mile horse race would be brilliant, it would be just like Formula 1 but watchable!!


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