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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #662
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I wonder that myself

    I'm sure there are some people who are reading this in today's paper kicking themselves for paying the €100, I know I would if I paid.


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    #663
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    None - unless he's renting it out.

    Ask DV there will ya?


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    #664
    goz83
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    Something about a mans home being his castle and that is was morally wrong to tax it. So by that logic, his morality is seriously eroded.


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    #665
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    They cannot invoice unless I give them my details. You don't get an invoice for paye because you gave them your details. There is no point in going round in circles with you because you change the goalposts all the time.
    You are happy to pay, good for you, I am not happy to pay until I know what it is I'm expected to pay next year and the year after. Paying this €100 is like signing a contract without reading the small print and then complaining when it goes wrong.

    You are on the register of deeds if you bought a property, you're on the stamp duty database if you pay stamp duty - they have your details already, or will as soon as they sort out a simple database merge with a couple of others.


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    #666
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    Looking at the poll on this thread and knowing that the majority of the people I work with didn't pay this charge I would seriously question the figures quotes for the number of people who have registered for this optional charge.


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    #667
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Sionach wrote: »
    Looking at the poll on this thread and knowing that the majority of the people I work with didn't pay this charge I would seriously question the figures quotes for the number of people who have registered for this optional charge.

    They must be dizzy from all the spinning they're doing.


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    #668
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    You don't get a reminder for paye because it is deducted from source. You didn't have to register for that either.

    I'm self employed - it's not deducted from source in my case.


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    #669
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    You are on the register of deeds if you bought a property, you're on the stamp duty database if you pay stamp duty - they have your details already, or will as soon as they sort out a simple database merge with a couple of others.


    So why didnt they just invoice everyone from the word go then???

    Why were we "requested and asked " to pay??


    Horse before the cart (typical with FG).


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    #670
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    You are on the register of deeds if you bought a property, you're on the stamp duty database if you pay stamp duty - they have your details already, or will as soon as they sort out a simple database merge with a couple of others.

    We all know it's not that simple because if it was they would have done that in the first place. There is data protection laws you know.


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    #671
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    alastair wrote: »
    Sionach wrote: »
    You don't get a reminder for paye because it is deducted from source. You didn't have to register for that either.

    I'm self employed - it's not deducted from source in my case.
    Then why quote paye?


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    #672
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So why didnt they jusy invoice everyone from the word go then???

    Why were we "requested" to pay??

    Self registration is a cheap and straightforward system - why wouldn't they they utilise it initially?


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    #673
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    I'm self employed - it's not deducted from source in my case.

    You have to fill in your tax returns, it's illegal not to. You are giving them your information.


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    #674
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    Then why quote paye?

    Eh? I pay PAYE - I don't get invoiced for it. I get reminders if I'm late. It's a tax. That's why I quote it.


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    #675
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    You have to fill in your tax returns, it's illegal not to. You are giving them your information.

    And...?


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    #676
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Do you think that an Irish minister for the environment being in front of a portuguese court for non-payment of service charges is appropriate?
    If the charge is not payable, he shouldn't pay it even if it means him winning a case in court.


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    #677
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    We all know it's not that simple because if it was they would have done that in the first place. There is data protection laws you know.

    You read what the data protection commissioner had to say on the subject? It's happening right now.
    The Data Protection Commissioner, Billy Hawkes, has said his office hopes to finalise protocols with the Department of the Environment this week, for handling and safeguarding data that is handed over in relation to the Household Charge.

    Yesterday, the commissioner said that no changes to legislation are necessary to allow for data collection from Government bodies and utility suppliers to assist in collecting the charge.

    Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Mr Hawkes said he has outlined his concerns in negotiations with the department.


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    #678
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    hondasam wrote: »
    I'm sure there are some people who are reading this in today's paper kicking themselves for paying the €100, I know I would if I paid.

    Well Phil Hogan has a hell of alot of explaining to do and he owes the Irish people a full explanation for this.

    After all,we (the Irish public) are his boss.


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    #679
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    And...?

    You are the one that brought it up, what was your point?

    paye is deducted at source, self employed are invoiced. Where revenue is concerned we all gave out details to them.


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    #680
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So why didnt they jusy invoice everyone from the word go then???

    Why were we "requested" to pay??

    Because there's something about property rights.
    A tax against your property can be challenged through the courts.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=property%20rights%20in%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fgovernment_in_ireland%2Firish_constitution_1%2Fright_to_own_property.html&ei=Q2Z4T7GRB8eFhQfP9JSPDQ&usg=AFQjCNEwCH7kGwvRtKS43Yzge4LJRqXNUQ


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    #681
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    You seem to know a lot about phil's private financial business!
    What are you on about now?
    Like everyone else here I don't know the details of this private arrangement. But I do know that it it isn't involving a tax, which is what Biggins said and then retracted.


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    #682
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    If the charge is not payable, he shouldn't pay it even if it means him winning a case in court.

    That wasn't my question, but then again DV you don't answer questions, do you?


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    #683
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    You read what the data protection commissioner had to say on the subject? It's happening right now.


    Funny then my bill states that no information shall be shared/passed over to anyone else or used for anything else,other than for the purposes of the utility bill iteslf.

    Thats my lecy bill.

    Now I wonder if there could be a case against the utility supplier for breech of rules and contract??


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    #684
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dvpower wrote: »
    What are you on about now?
    Like everyone else here I don't know the details of this private arrangement. But I do know that it it isn't involving a tax, which is what Biggins said and then retracted.

    I retracted one incorrect word - not the fact that he himself, is refusing to pay for same services possibly as he's expecting the rest of his own country people to pay - without even disputing or disputing, but still expected to pay!

    Double standards by any means - despite words used later!


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    #685
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    You read what the data protection commissioner had to say on the subject? It's happening right now.

    what is? stop throwing out random comments. why are you so in favour of it again? This must be the longest thread on boards.


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    #686
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    alastair wrote: »
    Sionach wrote: »
    Then why quote paye?

    Eh? I pay PAYE - I don't get invoiced for it. I get reminders if I'm late. It's a tax. That's why I quote it.
    So you Pay As You Earn but still get a reminder that you haven't Paid As You Earned? www.confused.com.


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    #687
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    You are the one that brought it up, what was your point?

    paye is deducted at source, self employed are invoiced. Where revenue is concerned we all gave out details to them.

    One more time eh?

    I pay PAYE as a self employed citizen.

    I am not invoiced for that tax.

    If I don't pay on time, I get a reminder. I then get the nasty estimate - which is not a prior invoice - just as you'll get a nasty demand after non-payment with regard to the household charge.

    No difference.

    Your details as a homeowner are available for any posted late payment demands from a simple database merge.


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    #688
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I see that James (I need tax breaks to help upkeep my 13 bedroom mansion) Reilly has come out in defence of his esteemed colleague. We're all in this together so we are.. Pay your way and don't be so unpatriotic, ya hear?


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    #689
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    what is? stop throwing out random comments. why are you so in favour of it again? This must be the longest thread on boards.

    The collation of database information to ensure every homeowner is taxed.


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    #690
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    paddy147 wrote: »
    ...Now I wonder if there could be a case against the utility supplier for breech of rules and contract??

    Your unhappy with your service?
    You should follow Phils example and not pay it! :pac:


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    #691
    steve9859
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    alastair wrote: »
    paddy147 wrote: »
    So why didnt they jusy invoice everyone from the word go then???

    Why were we "requested" to pay??

    Self registration is a cheap and straightforward system - why wouldn't they they utilise it initially?

    Hmmmm, obviously it's not! You really have taken in all the government spin.....hook, line and sinker!


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